NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

[Garmr]

garmr *

[ElectricSavages]

Votecount 1.8

Yunichikawowwow [6]

- Slandaar, Desperado, Yiley, JKLM, PeregrineV, OhGodMyLife

Bulbazak [3]

- ArcAngel9, mastin 2, Yunichikawowwow

Yiley [3]

- Toomai, Garmr, T S O

Toomai [2]

- Maxous, Dry-fit

Desperado [1]

- aptil

Maxous [1]

- Matias

JKLM [1]

- Bulbazak

Not Voting [2]

- Antihero, evilpacman18,

With 19 alive, it takes

10[/i]

votes to lynch.

Deadline is on the 23^rd of December 2013 at 10am GMT ((expired on 2013-12-23 10:00:00))

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[Slandaar]

Mastin: you are wrong but it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme.

I think everyone currently voting Yuni is town.

I don't know at what point I was meant to read the rules, honestly

Post 36.

Slandaar, sure, but me, no, that was just me townslipping.

Wrong name.

Unvote

Vote JKLM

Awful. Needs explaining.

[Desperado]

PEdit: I agree that there is likely scum on the wagon but again, there were 8 people on it and this are 19 people in this game. Of course a page three L-2 wagon had scum on it. The way you are arbitrarily assigning reads based on it (why is Bulb the most likely?) is a red flag.

Fair enough. You need to understand that I made that post after scanning the thread and noting the wagon. I didn't really read into anything until just about an hour ago.

And Bulb seems most likely because I felt like JKLM saw something in the wagon and was right about the placement this time around. It's easy to hop on when you have validation (this doesn't hold true for most games...this is an old meta thing, but I feel like it does apply here).

I don't think scum-Bulb would care one iota what his placement on a wagon was. Especially that early.

Matias' immediate willingness to reevaluate is genuinely townie.

Regarding Yuni's #125 & #126 - I really like them.
Despite Yuni being at L-2, under pressure, not coming across as a strong player and having a very realistic threat of being lynched, Yuni's posts have no hint of nerves, panic and (possibly most importantly) appeasement.
Believing Yuni is town naow.

I think it makes her scummier. "No hint of nerves, panic, or appeasement" does not read like the mindset of a weak newbie player at L-2. It reads like a weak newbie getting coached on how to handle their wagon in their QT.

After a little kerfuffle, I'm here and ready to town it up.

I like Mastin for Town, I like Dry-fit and Yiley for scum.

Either works, but let's go for Yiley.

Vote: Yiley

I think you should switch--scroll down.

it's multiball?

Zounds. Was this not in both the rules and the title?

TSO is probably town for ignorance.

Just probably? Either you think it was a townslip or you think it was a dumbtell--which is it?

Dry-fit is a somewhat-strong scumread, but not nearly as strong as I'd prefer him to be.

Yeah I'm feeling off my game in this on so far. Are you going to explain your read on me like you said you would? And why do you want me to be a strong scumread? Have something against me?

I'm not really liking Yiley right now. Didn't follow up on his Yuni vote and hasn't brought any other scumreads to the table.

Matias' attack on the Yuni wagon doesn't feel quite right either.

Don't like apologizing for looking scummy, don't like buddying Mastin, and I really don't like the hypocritical, voteless mudsling on Yiley:

Yuni's response to her wagon looked townish.

Unvote.

About mastin's townslip: I see it, but it's not the kind of thing I put a ton of stock in. Calling a townslip on yourself is always questionable as well.

Maxous seems town to me based on the last game I played with him but not a super strong read.

No one looks particularly scummy at the moment but I can see Toomai as scum.

Vote: Toomai.

Unvote
Vote: Dry-Fit

[Matias]

What I was getting at what I was trying to accomplish was to get to come to his own conclusion and not influence him. Also what I was saying was what Toomai was trying to do was distance himself from Yunichikawowwow not Yiley. This shows the attention your paying to my posts :/

But the real issue here is why do you think it has a insider feel. What insider knowledge would I possess that would influence this post?
hwy dan oyu wlodu ti onkwp

Then maybe it was just the wording because I'm seeing that now. At first glance, I didn't like how skeevy it seemed that you were trying to get someone to come to YOUR conclusion. And it had an insider feel because you gave nearly an exact prediction on how scum would think in this game and then attributed it to a person, but then again, anyone could be doing that. Bulb and mastin both helped me see that even though you kind of did some strange stuff in my eyes, they COULD come from a town mindset. That's fine by me.

I don't like Matias' catch up post.
There seemed to be a lot of 'Player X is scummy,oh Player Y also thinks player X is scummy, well Player Y is town' going on.
I also did'nt like how Matias' called Bulabazak 'the most likely out of 3' due to him agreeing with JKLM about the vote placement on the wagon - being the 4'th vote out of 10 (buddying?)
His scum read on me is "you don't attempt to explain many of these reads". Well since i've been doing a pretty good job of explaining my scum reads so far (you don't always get that with me ) I assume this means I'm scummy for not explaining my town reads of people on page 2 (so?). which is weak.
I feel his case on Garmr was meh.

However I *do* like Matias' posts afterwards with how willing he was to discuss and re-evaluate his reads. Even to the point where in #151 he ends up with basically 1 scum-read.

so eh, not sure about Matias.

regarding my vote: I'm happy enough where it is now.
Toomai seems overly quiet and is doing little but lightly chainsaw the Yuni wagon.

Going over your post history and your read list in a chronological fashion:

You call Garmr town. No reason attributed.
You call Slandaar town. No reason attributed.
A vote on Arcangel saying that he "took too long to get in here", which is a lame reason to vote someone.
You call Desperado town. No reason.
You say aptil may NOT be by reason of a weak post.
You reaffirm ArcAngel and call it a serious suspicion.
You ask Yuni if she's an alt and say she's not really being scummy but you'd like to know if she has an alt.
You call JKLM town. No reason.

Yiley's wagon hops feel rather awkward, there is a viable wagon on bulba - his scum read - but he switches to yuni because garmr called him scummy for being on a counterwagon? He gave in too easily for my liking.
Speaking of, Bulba gives me a bad gut feeling in general, #63 especially seems disingenuous.

The only part of a post that looks genuine at this point, and even so, it's not very detailed and seems thrown together.

Then you vote Toomai, simply agreeing with Garmr, followed by a post that says you like his response, but "hmm...". The vote remains.

The next step I was going to ask you to do was think this was this town trying to distance themselves from potential buddying or scum trying to stop a scum slip.

well, neither.
I was trying to imply to you in this post that it was a joke(I understood it) and not a scumslip but I guess I should of been more clear.
I understand your view-point but I don't see it as 'distancing' of any sort.

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Regarding Yuni's #125 & #126 - I really like them.
Despite Yuni being at L-2, under pressure, not coming across as a strong player and having a very realistic threat of being lynched, Yuni's posts have no hint of nerves, panic and (possibly most importantly) appeasement.
Believing Yuni is town naow.

~

The 3-vote Bulb wagon?

Do you understand the Yuni wagon, because it seems you do by inference. If you do, please explain it.

I have already stated that post#68 is weird .

fos:

you though.
Regarding Bulba you were commenting on the

people on his wagon

and did'nt comment on bulba himself.
PV asks you to explain the Yuni wagon and you comment on

Yuni

herself and not the people voting her.
Why the difference of attitude between the two wagons?

Your best post so far.

Also:

it's multiball?

Zounds. Was this not in both the rules and the title?

TSO is probably town for ignorance.

Ok, yeah. This is actually getting really scummy now.

I don't have any clue how you came to this conclusion, and if this is scummy for him, then you should find both mastin and I scummy as well.

No one looks particularly scummy at the moment but I can see Toomai as scum.

Vote: Toomai.

Unvote
Vote: Dry-Fit

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By the way, this is a fantastic catch.

Unvote, Vote: Dry-Fit

I'm willing to listen to why you think Maxous is a town read.

[Matias]

oops I fucked up tags

[Yiley]

I am kind of because honestly those are the most scummy players that i see.

[Toomai]

it's multiball?

Zounds. Was this not in both the rules and the title?

TSO is probably town for ignorance.

Just probably? Either you think it was a townslip or you think it was a dumbtell--which is it?

As of now I think it's town, but it'll be a very strong amplifier should scummy things come out of him later.

I am kind of because honestly those are the most scummy players that i see.

Context please.

what is the scummiest post so far?

The one which contains this question is certainly in the running.

[Yiley]

Oh forgot to quote it and for got to VOTE: Dry-fit

[Yiley]

^So your omgusing.

Also mod could you fix that tag please?

[mastin2]

holy crap, mastin acknowledged my existence
what's going on here?

Me acknowledging your existence is a very bad thing for you, Antihero. It means that

you're not acting town

.

I think everyone currently voting Yuni is town.

This is actually quite possible! Most of my stronger scumreads are off the wagon. You, Desp, Yiley, and PV are the only figures of interest left on it. Desp is nullish-town, you're only mildly scum, Yiley could be scum but is not certainly so, and PV's an ambivalent read.

...I'm not so sure it's

probable

, given that I can still see you as scum and am still figuring out Yiley for sure.


I'm a bit worried this Dry-fit wagon will turn out the same way as the Yuni wagon, and that the names on it aren't exactly town, but I'm willing to try it out and see where it takes us.

VOTE: Dry-fit.

[T S O]

No, this wagon is scum. I feel it in my bones.

[aptil]

@mod v/la till Sunday

[Matias]

No, this wagon is scum. I feel it in my bones.

Are you saying the wagon is ON scum, or the wagon itself is scum?

[Bulbazak]

Unvote

Vote JKLM

Awful. Needs explaining.

May as well ask a question to mastin, TSO and matias: what is the scummiest post so far?

Do you see what I see?

[Matias]

No?

[Matias]

I totally didn't answer that either, at this point, it's dry-fit's post (the one Desperado caught).

[Bulbazak]

No?

It's a lazy scum tactic. You get others to do your work for you, and then you side with them, pretending to scum hunt.

[T S O]

No, this wagon is scum. I feel it in my bones.

Are you saying the wagon is ON scum, or the wagon itself is scum?

Take a wild guess why I'm on it.

[Maxous]

I don't have any clue how you came to this conclusion, and if this is scummy for him, then you should find both mastin and I scummy as well.

no no, no

It's not that Toomai called TSO town (which he is), it's that he said nothing BUT that.
Look at his ISO - he is posting just enough not to be called lurking with just enough content not be fluff posting. He gives like 1 new read per post. His pushes are weak (if existent?)
It's textbook coasting scum.

- Garmr: His first post was really comfortable(tonally), no sign of scum caution or nerves to it - and was a big difference to his early play in a mini normal I was in with him recently (in which he was scum). There is a massive difference here between this game and that game.
-Slandaar: I don't feel like he would of written #18 as scum, not a strong read but eh. (since then, his play has been ok)
- ArcAngel: What I was suspecting about Arc was that she delayed starting the game because she was strategising with her buddies pre-game first (since I happened to see her post elsewhere without confirming here) but her complete lack of activity since has blown that theory out of the water.
- Desperado: I liked how he was pro-active and agressive in pushing the Yuni wagon early, as I think scum would of voted and sat back at the point.
- Aptil: Yeah, his post being weak was the reason I was meh on him.
- JKLM: I liked him early because his posts were full of aggression and conviction

[Dry-fit]

I would like mastin to explain his read on me at some point.

Don't like apologizing for looking scummy, don't like buddying Mastin, and I really don't like the hypocritical, voteless mudsling on Yiley.

It doesn't even end with looking scummy. I haven't gotten any scumreads better than marginal and only a couple townreads I would consider solid.
I don't see how my post is buddying mastin.
I should point out that I've made the case that being hypocritical can be legitimate multiple times as town: Game of Things, Fire and Ice.

Edit: Dryfit, why? Total lack of an explanation for that

Well it's that you thought the people on the wagon were opportunistic because of Yuni's "playstyle issues." How could you expect people to instantly realize a new player's play style in a couple of posts and take that into account when determining your early reads?

[Matias]

In the same vein, how can anyone instantly believe that Yuni had scum motivation behind posting her first post?

I saw it totally differently, in a sense of "wow this really doesn't have anything to do with her alignment, really; in fact, I've never seen anyone scum come out and do that, so on a level of experience, I can't say that she's scum based on this", so I came to the conclusion that it's the way she plays (specifically, starts out a game).

[Matias]

No?

It's a lazy scum tactic. You get others to do your work for you, and then you side with them, pretending to scum hunt.

I will note that, but your point would have more weight if JKLM had instantly agreed with what any of us had to say.

No, this wagon is scum. I feel it in my bones.

Are you saying the wagon is ON scum, or the wagon itself is scum?

Take a wild guess why I'm on it.

You're on the Yiley wagon, I thought?

no no, no

It's not that Toomai called TSO town (which he is), it's that he said nothing BUT that.
Look at his ISO - he is posting just enough not to be called lurking with just enough content not be fluff posting. He gives like 1 new read per post. His pushes are weak (if existent?)
It's textbook coasting scum.

I'd say the same about you, but this post is slightly better than your posting has been. Also noted.

[Bulbazak]

I will note that, but your point would have more weight if JKLM had instantly agreed with what any of us had to say.

He hasn't posted anything since that, and now that I've pointed it out, I doubt he's going to just mindlessly agree.

[T S O]

Matias my boy, continue your reading! I slipped from scum #1 to scum #2 seamlessly.