N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

[Varsoon]

Hey, just replaced in.

Can I get a write-up of what's happened so far while I read through the game?

[Varsoon]

Town people need to lynch scum people and I can help make that happen.

Who's been killed and lynched so far?
Can someone tell me the big wagons and who headed them?

[Varsoon]

Also,
Claimed PRs. Who, where, and when. I'd like my first read to have that sort of knowledge so it isn't retrospective.

[Varsoon]

Thanks, RT.


Finally, and this goes without saying really,
But I'm town this go.
Or, as my PM says,
I'm 'Nice'.

[Varsoon]

Hey, just replaced in.

Can I get a write-up of what's happened so far while I read through the game?

We have a town player at L-1. Rail Tracer is scum who nobody wants to lynch. You have the power to swing the momentum the other way. I'm counting on you.

Why do you say that Rail Tracer is scum?
Why is there hesitance to lynch Rail Tracer?
What makes Mitillos town?
You mention swinging the momentum the other way--which way is that?

[Varsoon]

It's interesting to get you replying to my queries before he did.

Elaborate on

kmd's iso is cancerous

[Varsoon]

I get the imagery.
What about his ISO makes you feel that way?

[Varsoon]

I'm going to focus on Rail, BBmolla, and Peace for now.

There's scum between the three of them.

The day needs to end on a lynch, however, and with a lot of my scumspecs on this wagon, I'm interested to see how it flips.

Vote: KMD

Sorry, KMD.

[Varsoon]

i believe that was the hammer

and that post was horrible

I'm aware.

You're especially venomous this game, RT.

[Varsoon]

In the few other games I've seen you as town, you weren't this way.

Anyway, behavioral analysis isn't really worth much.

My big hope is that KMD is scum, but it's unlikely.

[Varsoon]

Huh, this is still twilight?

We needed a hammer, Rail.
As for your town games I mentioned, I got you confused with another player. I could've sworn you were a town-aligned player in Shadow and Lights Mafia, but I guess not.

Regardless, I need to be more clear with my actions, so I'll try to be in the future.

[Varsoon]

hey varsoon

what's your role name

I'll tell you after tonight.
I don't want to inform the NK.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Mitillos

Good enough for me.

[Varsoon]

Guess it's coming down to my turn to claim.
I'm a

Nauseating Numerically-blessed Nominator

. This makes me count as a Hated Doublevoter.
My vote counts as two votes.
It takes one less vote to lynch me.
I'm on the side of Nice.

S'boot it.

[Varsoon]

I agree with Dante scum. He played just like this in Calvin/Hobbes mafia.

Peace is a good candidate, too.

[Varsoon]

You make interesting points but let's just hit Mit now and Bb tomorrow.

Why BB?

[Varsoon]

Because he's an obvious scumfuck and has been so since the beginning?

Well, that's helpful, but could you do an ISO and prove that?

[Varsoon]

Dante deserves a lynch.

Mit, too, but I am feeling the Dante scum more than anything right now.

Sorry I stress you guys out.

[Varsoon]

You just unsettle me Dante.

Also, for people still in doubt, I'm town.

[Varsoon]

I'm

reading.

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dante

Scum don't type like Mitilos is typing.
Dante wagon is better for me right now.

[Varsoon]

RC played this way in Newbie 1356 and he was town there. Of course, I don't really think meta is that useful, so RC could just as well be scum in this one. /shrug.

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon: Umm... I'm reading that game and RC is nothing like that in this game. He's giving reads and reasoning. Here, he just went "BB is scum, vote him or me, I won't make any deals." and didn't bother explaining this stance, at any point.

Then maybe I'm trippin' or thinking of a different game.

[Varsoon]

I'm really interested in the Peace flip right now. It gives town a lot of info, and will help inform me on where to go in the following days.

I know my vote counts as two, but I want to put it there. FoS Peace, I suppose? Or, maybe, Intent to Hammer with a Double?

[Varsoon]

@Mit: It's only 7 to lynch, he's got 4 votes now, and I count for two. Wouldn't be too difficult.

[Varsoon]

Did a quick ISO... Kid A was useless. Spotted two links in MuM and Varsoon.

437 - MUM

sleepykrew town bbmola town neromollie town

railtracer and dante scum

the rest all null

883 - MUM

town: diabolic railtracer deasvail bbmolla radiantcowbells(cause molla said so)

probtown: mitillos peace

everyone else is null or scum

I can understand the reversal on rail but the scum grouping become a bunch in the next post and there was nothing about Dante.

Varsoon keeps pressing about Dante and how it fits his scum meta and how the only person he's sure about scum is him

but votes peace

for "I'm really interested in the Peace flip right now. It gives town a lot of info, and will help inform me on where to go in the following days." (also note - 'days' in plural as if he knows he'll survive)

The play gives me the vibe of Varsoon-Dante scum pairing and they're trying to get a mutual bus going now - but not too strongly that either gets lynched - so that they'll look better if the game gets to LyLo. I have a lot of re-read pending but this is good for now...

Unvote. Vote: Varsoon

The bolded never happened,
The info from a Peace flip will be helpful in the following -days-, regardless of if I'm alive or not,
But the biggest thing is that I'm not scum.

Scum would want to off the double-voter via mislynch, though. It'd be helpful for them.
My vote stays on Dante, but, c'mon, ooba, at least don't lie about me voting people who I did not vote.

[Varsoon]

Miti.

Now.

Majiffy, I think you're town. Get on Miti.

Varsoon. Join the glorious Miti wagon.

That's the problem, RC. I don't think Miti is scum.
I do think that Dante is scum, and one of Peace/Ooba is a partner.

[Varsoon]

I kind of just want to mislynch Varsoon cause if we lynch town today and he's town we lose

Dude c'mon.
I just kind of want to lynch scum. Howabout that one?

Dante's scum.
Lynch him and that's one down.
Then we can work from there.

RT, my scum-reads are Dante, Ooba, and Peace. I'm also suspicious of you, but that's a lot less potent than how I feel about Dante.

[Varsoon]

Oh woah~
Hey Titus! Glad you could join in.

Help me lynch Dante, please?

[Varsoon]

Reminds me too much of Dante from Calvin/Hobbes mafia, where he was my partner.

Furthermore, poor reaction to my vote on him, and there was a bit of a push to move my vote off of him.

[Varsoon]

Rail Tracer, I'm the master of Next-Level Thinking here~

Anyway, I'm going to call Dante out for lurking, where he'll come back and say he isn't, which just proves my point.

*crossarms*

[Varsoon]

He's more than a lurker lynch. Lynch via meta, lynch because he's scummy (throws his vote around easily, is reactionary rather than proactive about the game, etc), lynch because of gut.

I'unno, it's just my biggest read right now. Wish I could contribute something huge and momentous, but I don't have it in me right now.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon- would dante pull the 8 ball schtick as scum?

You can do hilarious things as any alignment.

[Varsoon]

So, join me on the glorious Dante wagon?

[Varsoon]

I've already got TWO votes there, so you know it's good.

[Varsoon]

@Luna: T'was a good catchup post, the original one. My initial response was to post this:

Spoiler:

Mostly because my initial response was, in exactly the tone of that clip, "It's a dick."

Otherwise, I like the fervor that you bring on Dante, dunno how I feel about how you skip around some of the other slots. Honestly, feels like town play from you, but I am really bad at reading you.

I'm really bad at reading people in general. S'why scum is fun. VT's fun, too, because I don't have any responsibility and can fly off the rails a bit, but yeah.

Mitillos isn't scum.
PB probably is.

If one of Rail Tracer, BBmolla, and PeaceBringer aren't scum, then I'll buy you a pizza.

I think Ooba's scummy, but not nearly as much as Dante.

Dante's the scum to off today.

[Varsoon]

If one of Rail Tracer, BBmolla, and PeaceBringer aren't scum, then I'll buy you a pizza.

But why?

Because Pizza is delicious and one of the few food items universally delivered.

[Varsoon]

<3

But mostly activity levels, quality of content, and vote-patterns.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon/Dante/Mitillos/ooba is where I sit right now

why ooba?

i had doubts about ooba before i went over his ISO but i'm thinking ooba-town seems much more likely here. didn't you think treestump=autotownclaim earlier?

If one of Rail Tracer, BBmolla, and PeaceBringer aren't scum, then I'll buy you a pizza.

i want at least 5 pizzas from you if this is the case. agreed? i'll be sure to take you up on it postgame, too, so you better be serious if you agree to this.

Man, maybe like... five self-serve pizzas. Like the Tombstone ones you can buy in a pillar. I might be making over $80 an hour, but I only work 4 hours a week, man~

mostly activity levels, quality of content, and vote-patterns.

also, elaborate on the first two

The slots are highly active but their content is mostly reactionary, inflammatory, or focused on trends instead of independent, articulated/logical, and so on. Also, there's a lot of quips/one-line responses, and tunneling happening there. Furthermore, since the slots are somewhat different in the way they each go about the above, it'd be hard to connect them as working towards the same goal. But, yeah, maybe this is just... Varsoon reasons.

Consolidating my thoughts:

Shadow, Race, Peace are my town reads

Mit and BBM are not scum together
Luna and Peace are not scum together
Race and Varsoon are not scum together

Maj and Mit have a great chance of being scum together = If both flip scum, reconsider Peace
Dante and Varsoon have a great chance of being scum together

BBM and Luna have a good chance of being scum together = If both flip scum, reconsider Shadow

If Dante flips scum, lynch Varsoon. It would also mean Maj is town. If both Dante and Varsoon are scum, go after BBM next. ("If one of Rail Tracer, BBmolla, and PeaceBringer aren't scum, then I'll buy you a pizza.")
If Dante flips town, lynch either Mit or BBM

Calling teams, setting up mislynch-chains, and calling me scum with another player?

c'mon, Ooba.

VOTE: Ooba

Dante worries me, and "When I flip, lynch Varsoon" may just be boy crying wolf, but Ooba's reactions paint Ooba as definitive scum in my book.

[Varsoon]

Calling teams, setting up mislynch-chains, and calling me scum with another player?

c'mon, Ooba.

VOTE: Ooba

voting him is dumb when we can force him to kill himself
i don't want him to kill himself since shadow can create evens if scum kill him

Right. Back to Dante, then, who is scummy as hell.

VOTE: Dante

[Varsoon]

Vote: Luna

i'll probably hammer when i wake up but i still wouldn't mind a nacho lynch. nacho lynch is never a bad idea.

Why's that?

[Varsoon]

Cause he's probably scum.

I would be willing to hammer Dante as well.

Oh, I don't mind hammering Dante.
I'm wondering why vote Luna and think a Nacho Lynch is always good.

[Varsoon]

...

We massed. Weren't you there? He claimed Nothing Notable.

- Des

Dat VT claim

[Varsoon]

Hehe, was right about Dante.
My work here is done.

I guess I'll stick around and help you aimless guys catch some more scum, though.

[Varsoon]

Titus, PB, Shadow, and Ooba for scum.

Mitillos checks out. Dude's town for me.

[Varsoon]

What changed was that most of my previous scumreads had been shown to be wrong (e.g. mnem),

so I did a re-read.

And, obviously, there were other cases against Dante, which also helped convinced me.
But I think the biggest thing was the whole "vote Varsoon" without explanation thing, which Shadow asked about, something like a half-dozen times and never got a response. That was pretty anti-town.

Bullshit, you were sheeping us. You even said so right before the quote Nacho pulled.

- Des

Des, you only write the word 'bullshit' in your scum games.

VOTE: Shadowy Poison

[Varsoon]

unvote

Joke vote is joke vote. I do think it is hilarious that Des combed an earlier game to make sure I was full of shit, rather than just, y'know, saying I was full of shit.
I honestly don't have much direction this game.



@Ooba: Dante's lurkdom and ellipses coupled with a few of his lines reminded me of when we were on a team in Calvin and Hobbes Mafia.

[Varsoon]

Gotcha.
But I really don't think Mit is scum, so I guess I'll be a groove-destroyer.

Vote: Mit

[Varsoon]

Oh yeah, check that out, it's a hammer.

[Varsoon]

Is it totally cool that I don't trust any of you guys?

If I had to be on a wagon, it'd be one of PeaceBringer, Mac, and Ooba.

[Varsoon]

Alright, PB, let's say that you're not scum.
I think Ooba and Mac are likely scum, too.
I'm suspicious of everyone though.

If I had to rate people, sans you, it'd be

Ooba > Mac > BBMolla > Luna.

I always read Mac wrong, though.
And Ooba is apparently a stump.

Why don't people think BBMolla is scum?

[Varsoon]

Titus usually doesn't live this long in her town games.


Why don't we lynch Ooba?

[Varsoon]

I don't trust it.

[Varsoon]

Can we get everyone's claims and the role-name they claimed, in one place, please?

[Varsoon]

To better inform my vote.

[Varsoon]

Luna, who do we vote for?

[Varsoon]

PB's AtE feels genuine, though.

[Varsoon]

Luna, who do we vote for?

Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.

of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all game

So Luna is scum, and you'll bet your life on it?

[Varsoon]

It's impossible for me to think that Scum isn't really enjoying the Luna v PB back and forth.

I can't really imagine scum is in either.

[Varsoon]

Ooba, thank you.


I don't trust either of the cop claims.
Daytalk enabler is a scum-claim.
Luna's claim is wonky, and I don't think it checks out.
Ooba's claim feels like a genius scum-claim.

I want to put my vote between PB, Mac, and BBmolla right now.
Was very tempted to PB, but it feels too easy.

[Varsoon]

So

What you're saying is

Everyone is scum

Yup.

Also, Mac's rationale is spot on.

My vote's gonna have to be on one of PB/Ooba.

[Varsoon]

I'll make this easier.


VOTE: Ooba

[Varsoon]

unvote

Vote effectively on Ooba.
Ooba, Stump right now.

[Varsoon]

The problem, Ooba, is that I'm not scum.

[Varsoon]

Ooba, stump now or I will vote for you again.

If Ooba can actually stump, then we narrow the lynch pool and it gives us a bit better PoE.

Peace, I wanna believe.

[Varsoon]

- And

Varsoon scum+partner still wouldn't be able to auto hammer for the win.

(Since it would be 4 to lynch with 5 alive due to Varsoon)

Probably the bolded that informs that notion, I've got to figure.

[Varsoon]

If Ooba stumps,

then that leaves PB, Luna, BBMolla, and Mac.

I want to believe in PB,
I think Luna is town, but paranoia makes me skeptical.
I'm concerned that there's one scum between BB and Mac, leaning Mac here.

[Varsoon]

I like Nacho.
I really do.
But he's probably scum this game.

FoS: Nacho

[Varsoon]

Nacho, I just don't trust you this game anymore.

I trust PB.

I don't trust Ooba, but at least Ooba can stump.

I really want to lynch Mac.

Can we all just lynch Mac?

[Varsoon]

Mac, you don't need a content post, just let me know if you're town or scum.

[Varsoon]

town. why do you feel im scum so bad?

Gut. Something feels wrong about you in this game.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, I'm reading Calvin and Hobbes Mafia. Dante's posting doesn't give me the same feel in that game and this - there he seems pretty laid back, not wanting to step on toes kind as opposed to the antagonistic style here. What made you think the playstyle was similar across games?

There was something more about his rhetoric and how he interacted with players that struck me as similar.

[Varsoon]

Vote : Mac

I like Nacho too much.

[Varsoon]

Unvote

Should actually wait to see if the mod actually does stump ooba.

[Varsoon]

Vote : Luna

Ooba's probably scum but Luna too fat

[Varsoon]

So Luna is lynched now, right?

[Varsoon]

Pretty sure that's the Ooba hammer.

Hey, Ooba, if you're scum, well, makes me sad.

Chances are it's just Mac and/or BBM

[Varsoon]

I don't know man
You cut me too deep in the past, I think.

[Varsoon]

Yeah Ooba's probably scum.

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ooba?

[Varsoon]

The first cut is the deepest.

[Varsoon]

I dunno, I've just been super paranoid of you for eons.

[Varsoon]

Also, I lost my double-voter power awhile ago.

[Varsoon]

So you're not actually lynched, Luna.

[Varsoon]

Your words too sweet
One day we'll be scum together.

[Varsoon]

Also, I lost my double-voter power awhile ago.

First step of the grieving process is denial.
D:

[Varsoon]

I figured I could wish really hard that I'm not a doublevoter anymore.

Like, you know, in the Peter Pan movie.

[Varsoon]

I think I'm just fucking with you.

It's what I wish I could do.

We should all pile on votes for Ooba and change the fate of the game.

[Varsoon]

Anyway, you should give me a heads up when you join a new game. I like playing with you, and I'd like to continue to do that.

[Varsoon]

Just keep voting Ooba.

Vote: Ooba

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Ooba

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Ooba

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Ooba

Nacho, I'll love you even if you're not the comeback kid.

[Varsoon]

I CAME IN LIKE A WRECKING BALL
I NEVER HIT SO HARD IN LOVE

VOTE: Ooba

[Varsoon]

That would have been really great.
I wanna be better.
I want to get out of my slump.
Next game I play, I'm going to Varsoon to 11.
I'm tired of being bad.


VOTE: Ooba

[Varsoon]

When Ooba bold-claimed and did all the backpedaling, I knew it was a lie

I knew it in my heart

I should never doubt my heart

VOTE: Ooba

[Varsoon]

I've got to go do real-life things.

Please keep voting Ooba,

VOTE: Ooba


Nacho, I'm so sorry
I'm so sorry.

[Varsoon]

I just feel really sad.
I'll make it up next game.
I swear.
VOTE: Ooba

[Varsoon]

I still want a full page of Ooba votes.
Keep it up.
I can't miss the bus.


VOTE: Ooba

[Varsoon]

Vote: ooba

I believe.

I BELIEVE

VOTE: Ooba

[Varsoon]

I do agree that Varsoon is either town or a massive dick, though.

YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT, MISTER NACHOS.


Anyway, we got to today on the power of belief.

I BELIEVE Luna is town.
Ooba's reactions were too obviously scum hammering town, feeling confident in a win, etc etc etc.

That leaves Mac and PB.

Although I really wish it left PB and J. BADUMTISH~

[Varsoon]

On the real, I don't trust either of 'em.

PB's doing the scum-dance of WIFOMing the kill in a way that, awkwardly enough, doesn't free him from suspicion.

Mac's being way too quiet and not making the Mac powerplays that I expect from the Mac I love.

I'll probably just sheep Luna for the win (or loss, fuck it, but I'm willing to put my trust into Nacho for one last wild ride).

So, Mac and PB, duke it out. Heaven or Hell! Fight!

[Varsoon]

PB, you really feel like you're flailing.

I'll wait for BBmolla and Luna to get their two-cents in, but you're doing an abnormal amount of squirming. I find your frequent use of ellipsis... disturbing.

[Varsoon]

varsoon could be the other scum but i highly doubt he'd troll us to this extent (in fact, I totally don't doubt it, but I don't think it's happening here.) you tried peace, but ultimately it's not going to work.

Hahaha, I love how you can't ever rule anything out when I'm involved.

<3 Mac. I'm glad the feeling is mutual~

[Varsoon]

but what the actual fuck varsoon if i didnt like you so much id blacklist you for that shit

so i was looking at what mollienero's role could do to our prs by way of changing them. imagine each of the following have been normalised:

dopog, Non-Negotiable Namecaller, Compulsive Framer, Nice > non-compulsive framer
mnemonicdevice, Nothing Notable, Vanilla Townie, Nice, lynched day 2 > nothing
PeregrineV, Noodle Negotiator, Fruit Vendor, Nice, died night 2 > nothing
Kmd4390, Nothing Notable, Vanilla Townie, Nice, lynched day 3 > nothing
DeasVail, Necromancer, Seer, Nice, died night 3 > nothing
Dante, Nagging Notifier, Mafia Roleblocker Mailman, Naughty, lynched day 4 > nothing
Rail Tracer, Nothing Notable, Vanilla Townie, Nice, died night 4 > nothing
Mitillos, Nearby Newcomer, Universal Backup Traitor turned Compulsive Framer Traitor, Naughty, lynched day 5 > turns to normal mafia perhaps?
Majiffy, Non-Necessary Negligent-er, Conditional Action Delayer, Nice, died night 5 > actions work straight away?
Shadowy Poison, Nanny, Babysitter, Nice, died night 5 > turns to proper doctor?

now key that in with claimed roles here

paranoid cop > cop
naive cop > cop
sleeping vig > vig
daytalk enabler > nothing
tree stump > nothing?
hated double voter > normal double voter.

where i was going with this is that clearly town has some decoys - seer, fruit vendor - to the normaliser. scum don't really have anything that could change apart from traitor>mafia but im not even sure this would happen. this is why I think peacebringer is a naughty daytalk enabler - when the decoys are normalised, nothing happens. when his role is normalised, nothing happens but he still works for scum.

2 cops seems overpowered too, it's twisting my gut to see that if we were both targetted town would be overpowered AS FUCK. like if i was normalised night one and molla night two, by night 5 we could have half the towns alignments known roughly. AND DAYTALK. it just doesn't add up for me, hence why i have some suspicions of molla. also i feel weird that he's not considering this at all and just calling me town.

side note: varsoon isn't scum with anyone except PB or me (since he & partner could've jumped on to PB and hammered - assuming we're in mylo.)

IMO, this clears Mac.
Also, it warms my heart that Mac likes me.

[Varsoon]

Do we lose?

Do we lose?

Ooba, if you are a town stump and if you're correct that Varsoon is town, we're in good shape.

Dunno if this clears BBMolla, but it helps.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, Mac feels good in my book.

<_<

How the fuck did I miss the NK?

[Varsoon]

So, I guess that really only leaves PB.

[Varsoon]

Oh, Mac feels great~

[Varsoon]

Nacho, I said that I'd trust you 100% next time it came to me trusting you.

Gotta say, my paranoia is killing me, and right now, if you're scum, you fuckin' earned this win.

Vote: Peacebringer

P-EDIT: Mac, you're so best. Of course, I'm terribad at reading both you and Nacho, so I'll paranoia myself to defeat nine times out of ten. Right now, I can see a situation where PB is trying to shift suspicion to Mac and position himself as town, but I can also see either one of Mac/Luna confirming the other as town while pushing the easy PB lynch. But, you know what?

I believe.

[Varsoon]

I believe in the Comeback Kid. I believe in Mac being a cool bro. I believe in myself. I believe town can win.

[Varsoon]

hehehe

nah im trolling, im town. i think we won.

My heart sank to my colon for a second.

[Varsoon]

If Luna won, then Luna deserves to win.

Easy Peasy Pumpkin Cheesy.

[Varsoon]

Someone, order me some Quiznos or a Pizza or something. I'm really hungry, really broke, and it's Thanksgiving week and I'm all alone.

[Varsoon]

You can't shake my resolve, regardless, because

I believe

[Varsoon]

Welp, going to go kill myself, brb never

[Varsoon]

Vote : Nacho

;_;

[Varsoon]

NACHO ABUSED THE BELIEVING SYSTEM, ITS NOT FAIR

IM NEVER GOING TO BELIEVE AGAIN

[Varsoon]

Nacho owes me a pizza,
I am crying right now
No fair
no fair

[Varsoon]

Nacho never submitted a nightkill. There's still 2 town alive, Mac. Vote for Nacho with me and we win.

[Varsoon]

Anyway, you should give me a heads up when you join a new game. I like playing with you, and I'd like to continue to do that.

I still wanna play that game with you.

I don't know man
You cut me too deep in the past, I think.

It hurts, Nacho.

[Varsoon]

WOOP WOOP


YEAH NOW TOWN WINS

RULES-LEGAL TOO
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NIGHTKILL
DEAL WITH IT MODS


Mac, wanna buy me a pizza? ;_;

[Varsoon]

THERE IS ACTUALLY A PLACE WHERE I LIVE THAT DELIVERS BEER. I AM NOT KIDDING.

[Varsoon]

Buy me a pizza first--I'm starving and broke until this weekend.

[Varsoon]

Aww man
Pizza for everybody.