N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:21 am

I could always return to voting luna...

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:33 pm

varsoon not even that certain of read noted

Vote luna

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:54 pm

vote dante

PeaceBringer · Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:15 am

vote luna-

make it so please
and serously the bgs killed a claimed VT who had some heat...

PeaceBringer · Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:27 pm

don't think luna is confirmed anything SP... I know I am not scum... however, militosis is sketchy as well-
RT lynch points to Luna though

vote militosis

PeaceBringer · Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:21 am

2 deaths... seriously...
ugg
luna musta been responsible for the extra

PeaceBringer · Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:21 am

vote luna

PeaceBringer · Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:22 am

mac and bbmolla... seriously get your head in gear...
so we a traitor, that may have not have been known to other BGs, that changes dynamics a tad...

PeaceBringer · Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:51 am

In post 2081, Mac wrote:
In post 2075, PeaceBringer wrote:2 deaths... seriously...
ugg
luna musta been responsible for the extra
if luna was responsible for the extra kill, why does that make them scum? do you think scum got a nightkill AND another kill?

i have another question for you which depends on your answer to this. would prefer it if no one else got involved in this too.

yes, that is precisely what I think. You think either kill was pro-town. Nope... not at all. Mod's do give out extra kills sometimes as part of a role.

PeaceBringer · Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:53 am

In post 2081, Mac wrote:
In post 2075, PeaceBringer wrote:2 deaths... seriously...
ugg
luna musta been responsible for the extra
if luna was responsible for the extra kill, why does that make them scum? do you think scum got a nightkill AND another kill?

i have another question for you which depends on your answer to this. would prefer it if no one else got involved in this too.

feel free to ask away...I got nothing to hide

PeaceBringer · Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:47 pm

tell you what...
I am not scum, I am what claimed
but hey I got no problem being lynched
now if they still have 2 kills... sorry game will likely be over... tata..

Vote Peace

PeaceBringer · Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:16 pm

please vote me out so I can be free from here... I am not replacing out...

PeaceBringer · Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:30 pm

In post 2099, BBmolla wrote:???

Wtf are you doing

This is the last game I am in and I am done. I cannot "defend" how I play as I am intuitive. This site and me do not mix. It is clear you and Max are town and if you cannot see through the bullshit and just want to lynch me, then go for it. Cause I sure as hell ain't scum and I got nothing to do. And yeah, shrug this of as AtE or whatever. I just have no more tolerance for the bullshit and have tried as much as I can here to be myself and adapt to how the game is played here. Just not working. But the town you Mac, you, and varsoon are all pointing at me anyway... so :shrug: hey, gotta credit ooba for the sudden white knighting from before though. Unless one of you and mac are scum. And hey, I go at least the day talk gets squelched... so yeah, go ahead and lynch me.
but, you are right, no need to make it easy... but yeah, go ahead and lynch me...actually do that and town probably loses as they kill varsoon...

unvote

vote luna

PeaceBringer · Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:20 pm

In post 2102, Varsoon wrote:Alright, PB, let's say that you're not scum.
I think Ooba and Mac are likely scum, too.
I'm suspicious of everyone though.

If I had to rate people, sans you, it'd be

Ooba > Mac > BBMolla > Luna.

I always read Mac wrong, though.
And Ooba is apparently a stump.

Why don't people think BBMolla is scum?

It doesn't make sense to me for there to be a scum pair in the cops when it comes to balance... bbmolla's play and reactions have been genuine...RC certainly played town but got locked on a tunnel of paranoia... titus also seemed town. Mac comes off genuine. Let me ask you this, where do you think the extra kill came from? honestly. Luna claims to have targeted me... do not believe it for a minute.

PeaceBringer · Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:23 pm

In post 2102, Varsoon wrote:Alright, PB, let's say that you're not scum.
I think Ooba and Mac are likely scum, too.
I'm suspicious of everyone though.

If I had to rate people, sans you, it'd be

Ooba > Mac > BBMolla > Luna.

I always read Mac wrong, though.
And Ooba is apparently a stump.

Why don't people think BBMolla is scum?

so you always read mac wrong, how about RC, and titus. I called ooba scum if you recall recently. Of course I went off on a RT and SP bender...
so why not luna go constanza for a minute, as ooba is most likely actually a scum stump. Of course If I am wrong on mac and bbmolla...then SOL- if I am right it has to be luna and ooba. There is no other option.

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:20 am

In post 2115, Varsoon wrote:PB's AtE feels genuine, though.

it is more my emotion vs AtoE, I am not proclaiming oh does this based on some emotional reason. It is more my emotions are this, I don't care anymore. Oh wait, if I give up then scum does win and that is not fair for other players as there is no leway.

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:21 am

In post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.

of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all game

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:22 am

In post 2116, Mac wrote:
In post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.
yeah but ooba shouldnt die today.

Luna needs to go, you lynch me scum wins, fact.

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:23 am

In post 2113, BBmolla wrote:Yeah the Majiffy was obviously targeted by SP

huh?

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:10 am

In post 2121, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2118, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.
of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all game
So Luna is scum, and you'll bet your life on it?

my actual physical life, no. If betting were allowed in the game, I would bet on it, since it is not, well...
only way he is not is if actually scum in the red herring seers...

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:10 am

In post 2123, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2121, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2118, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.
of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all game
So Luna is scum, and you'll bet your life on it?
my actual physical life, no. If betting were allowed in the game, I would bet on it, since it is not, well...
only way he is not is if actually scum in the red herring seers...

or unless you are lying scum...don't think so though

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:12 am

In post 2122, Varsoon wrote:It's impossible for me to think that Scum isn't really enjoying the Luna v PB back and forth.

I can't really imagine scum is in either.

seriously? please outline a case for either the Mac slot or bbmolla in a mafiascum sorta way then...

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:11 pm

In post 2127, BBmolla wrote:Also I wouldnt call us red herrings, in the right sequence of events we could have been sanified.

you are red herrings regardless, being normalized woulda helped, again argues to you being town...

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:12 pm

In post 2126, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2120, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2113, BBmolla wrote:Yeah the Majiffy was obviously targeted by SP
huh?
Go read SP's claim

I got it now, so not an extra kill directly. Does not alter the lay of land any imo...

PeaceBringer · Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:14 pm

In post 2132, Luna Lovegood wrote:
In post 2118, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.
of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all game
You didn't say it very loudly until you had someone to champion your cause for you.

seriously, no one has championed my cause other than a little white knighting here and there, but you do a good job of misting so that no one wants to touch you even though your play has been less than stellar and avoiding the game other than pushing things here to a conclusion to get you a win.

PeaceBringer · Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:43 am

In post 2142, Mac wrote:so i was looking at what mollienero's role could do to our prs by way of changing them. imagine each of the following have been normalised:

dopog, Non-Negotiable Namecaller, Compulsive Framer, Nice > non-compulsive framer
mnemonicdevice, Nothing Notable, Vanilla Townie, Nice, lynched day 2 > nothing
PeregrineV, Noodle Negotiator, Fruit Vendor, Nice, died night 2 > nothing
Kmd4390, Nothing Notable, Vanilla Townie, Nice, lynched day 3 > nothing
DeasVail, Necromancer, Seer, Nice, died night 3 > nothing
Dante, Nagging Notifier, Mafia Roleblocker Mailman, Naughty, lynched day 4 > nothing
Rail Tracer, Nothing Notable, Vanilla Townie, Nice, died night 4 > nothing
Mitillos, Nearby Newcomer, Universal Backup Traitor turned Compulsive Framer Traitor, Naughty, lynched day 5 > turns to normal mafia perhaps?
Majiffy, Non-Necessary Negligent-er, Conditional Action Delayer, Nice, died night 5 > actions work straight away?
Shadowy Poison, Nanny, Babysitter, Nice, died night 5 > turns to proper doctor?

now key that in with claimed roles here

paranoid cop > cop
naive cop > cop
sleeping vig > vig
daytalk enabler > nothing
tree stump > nothing?
hated double voter > normal double voter.

where i was going with this is that clearly town has some decoys - seer, fruit vendor - to the normaliser. scum don't really have anything that could change apart from traitor>mafia but im not even sure this would happen. this is why I think peacebringer is a naughty daytalk enabler - when the decoys are normalised, nothing happens. when his role is normalised, nothing happens but he still works for scum.

2 cops seems overpowered too, it's twisting my gut to see that if we were both targetted town would be overpowered AS FUCK. like if i was normalised night one and molla night two, by night 5 we could have half the towns alignments known roughly. AND DAYTALK. it just doesn't add up for me, hence why i have some suspicions of molla. also i feel weird that he's not considering this at all and just calling me town.

side note: varsoon isn't scum with anyone except PB or me (since he & partner could've jumped on to PB and hammered - assuming we're in mylo.)

here is some tings you are not considering.
Luna's claim made well after being know that there is a normalizer and can easily be faked to appear like there was something normalized.
With my role as the day talk enabler and with the normalizer role that could "fix" one of them or both, I cannot see the logic of a mod designing the game with wonky views, a normalizer, and a GG/BG pairing. Add in the psychology of the play and it does not add up that there is scum there at all.

PeaceBringer · Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:30 pm

In post 2149, BBmolla wrote:Luna did you out your targets?

Luna is probably town due to roleclaim

no, luna is probably scum who fashioned role to fit...
You are not scum, Mac's slot not scum, I am not scum, vasoon not scum.... what does that leave...

PeaceBringer · Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:34 pm

In post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?

with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be valid

PeaceBringer · Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:34 pm

In post 2159, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?
with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be valid

plus we had another scum claim a claim that appeared it could be normalized...

PeaceBringer · Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:37 pm

see the game is not set up around 1 player... that is absurd. There is a player with some chance to impact a couple of players that could allow for some hijinks and give scum so places to hide. One got eliminated the other did not. The playing out of the game was not dependent on that one role.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:38 am

In post 2162, ooba wrote:
In post 2161, PeaceBringer wrote:see the game is not set up around 1 player... that is absurd. There is a player with some chance to impact a couple of players that could allow for some hijinks and give scum so places to hide. One got eliminated the other did not. The playing out of the game was not dependent on that one role.
Of course it is. If Nero had lived to D2, he would have seen BBM and VC claim. And normalized them the next night and the game would have turned out a lot differently.

In fact, I was secretly hoping Nero targetted one of them N1 - which was why I was asking them for their results every day. (Gives them the opportunity to post results without getting killed)

It woulda been a different game true, but the "Game" is not dependent on the one role. It is just one element, and your arguing this point now just demonstrates further your true position.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:51 am

In post 2163, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2160, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2159, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?
with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be valid
plus we had another scum claim a claim that appeared it could be normalized...
You're not following

If you were in a game and had to claim a protective role, would you claim Doctor or Barbed Wire?

faulty premise, this is a when did you stop molesting children comment...
scum is going to claim whatever they think will best carry them forward in this game. So yes, scum will make up flavor text in order to get through. Some times you make stuff up, sometimes you take a bit of what you have or someone else had and twist slightly to have it believable. In the context of any given game and claim you have the content of the claim, you have the context of the game, and you have the psychology of the claim.

Regarding the game context and psychology of claim varsoon is clearly town.
You have the 2 cop claims with the context and psychology makes no sense if one is scum
You have my claim which in terms of context and psychology should be obvious that I am town. Since I am an "unknown" factor it is easy to ignore the facts and just call me scummy. Make proclamations like "better player than puts on." I have to be faking a lot of the psychology to be scum. For my claim to be scum, it would have to have been a huge gambit that paid off as what scum in their right mind makes such a negative utility claim in which the town would have benefit to actually lynch? I would have to be a hall of a great player to pull it off in such circumstances.

Now we have 2 other claims. One with an over emphasized content that appear to fit context. And one with a claim that is odd regarding context. And you have 2 of them right now working really hard to appear to be engaging in "townish" behaviors, but it is half hearted.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:53 am

unvote, it actually may be worthwhile to force a stump from Ooba...

cause right now, mislynch, kill varsoon, game over for scum. Varsoon still makes it 4 to lynch at 5...

someone convince me otherwise...

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:55 am

ooba, so you should probably stump...
if you are town you help narrow things down
if scum you of course have no reason to do so...

please someone give me any logic any other way.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:56 am

I had not really thought through the ooba stumping at this point as focused on the luna element and as well as defending self...(after being on verge of giving in)

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:08 pm

ADVOCATION of OOBA stumping

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:26 am

the problem is ooba, the longer you wait to "stump" the less time we have to sort things out as town. You taking your sweet time is not in town interst. Oh and if Vasoon is scum with someone else this game would be over already. See if luna and varsooon were scumbuddies, I would be dead. If varsoon and any one else scum and not luna, luna would be lynched. Only possible option for varsoon being scum is if he and I were scum buddies and I know I am not scum.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:28 am

BBMolla-seriously?
Luna probably town because of claim? What do I have to do to get you to make sense or are you really the scum with Luna and RC had it right all along. Your defending Luna's claim here is absurd, patently.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:27 am

In post 2180, ooba wrote:Seriously - I'm having a hard time believing anybody could misread that post as 'I wont stump because Varsoon could be scum'.

don't see how you can read was has been written and conclude that is what is being said. Rather, the comment for me on Varsoon led to looking further at the Varsoon as scum prospects, they do not exist essentially.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:35 am

In post 2183, Varsoon wrote:If Ooba stumps,

then that leaves PB, Luna, BBMolla, and Mac.

I want to believe in PB,
I think Luna is town, but paranoia makes me skeptical.
I'm concerned that there's one scum between BB and Mac, leaning Mac here.

so if Ooba ends up town, then has to be one scum between BB and Mac and one scum between me and luna, correct?
Likelihood of both BB and Mac being scum is very slight and if game set up that way then a pox on the mod and the reviewers.

You think Luna is town, why? Was it there total disengagement from the game while posting on occasion? Was it the suddenly posting thoughts as we narrow down but nothing solid. Lots of posting and running and no real trying to sort anything out. Add in a claim that shoes-horns in a match with a normalizer much like the mafia traitor? Please tell which of those behaviors lead you to conclude that Luna is town?

So if Ooba is Town then me or Luna is scum.
I know I am not scum. If you closely examine my behavior and play one should be able to come to that conclusion unless you think I am just that good and super manipulative to pull off my posting as scum.

If there is a scum between BB and Mac it is going to be hard to tell and will take some work.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:13 am

In post 2189, Luna Lovegood wrote:
In post 2187, BBmolla wrote:Nacho it really sucks that PB is pulling what you normally do as town at this point instead of you
You're reassured in pb asking ooba to stump and expected me to do something like tha instead?

slightly missed the point I think and very scumish reaction here people...

PeaceBringer · Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:26 pm

Reminder that Mit was mafia traitor, so not likely on the board and probably did not know who was scum...

PeaceBringer · Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:43 am

In post 2209, Mac wrote:
In post 2205, PeaceBringer wrote:Reminder that Mit was mafia traitor, so not likely on the board and probably did not know who was scum...
chances are he knew

based on what?

PeaceBringer · Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:25 am

In post 2213, BBmolla wrote:Ooba, if you are a town stump and if you're correct that Varsoon is town, we're in good shape.

Well if ooba is town it narrows things down to Luna and then you or mac. So it may come down to me making right choice unless a wrong choice is made today. That or which ever of you is town becomes convince to lynch in lylo...

PeaceBringer · Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:07 pm

In post 2216, BBmolla wrote:Depends on mod.

this could be one, could be none, could be they know but he does not, could be he knows them but they do not know him. There is no evidence one way or another in this game to make an conclusions.

PeaceBringer · Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:55 am

In post 2219, Varsoon wrote:
Vote : Mac

I like Nacho too much.

but Nacho is scum, you are going to have to actually build a case between him and bbmola once mod give us ooba's actual status.

It would be an awful set up if bot bbmolla and mac's slot are scum
odds are you die if we have a proper lynch and do not lose the game.
So getting in your thoughts would be helpful. And yes, you don't feel right about "mac" but have you looked over RC and titus play up to that point?

Luna has to be scum here and it is about a sure thing as you can get...

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:36 am

seriously...lol...
everyone knows who I think is scum, I was right about ooba... I will be right about Luna...
Varsoon- do not be an idiot...you were left alive for a reason...

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:00 am

Varsoon- you should really be the last to vote here to avoid you making a wrong call and the BG slamming home the win if you are wrong.
See you as still near guarunteed town. So that leaves me, luna, and mac. Of course Varsoon if you were scum you got the game won regardless and have had it such for awhile. I don't see it. So that leaves me, mac, and luna...
I know I am a GG, the rest of you do not.
Regarding Mac- I do not see a BG playing like RC did...it would be psychologically difficult to pull off...
of course that leaves me where I have been- Luna...

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:21 am

In post 2309, Luna Lovegood wrote:There's a huge elephant in the room you might be missing, especially when you say things like #2307.

of course You would say that...
not missing anything... I have considered all options... I know I am good, I have examined you and Mac, no mising a thing. But keep on, you are trying to get a win here... I understand.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:27 am

In post 2313, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2309, Luna Lovegood wrote:There's a huge elephant in the room you might be missing, especially when you say things like #2307.
of course You would say that...
not missing anything... I have considered all options... I know I am good, I have examined you and Mac, no mising a thing. But keep on, you are trying to get a win here... I understand.

and it is perfectly clear that since Varsoon is on record as suspecting Mac, by nature, it is clear why he is still here.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:35 am

see, the play makes sense only from the perspective of you being scum, luna.
Mac is scum here, varsoon is dead. It is all about getting the right fit at end game, it is about what you think you can do to get a win.
All it takes is one person to have it wrong. So Varsoon has 2 votes, engages in blustery accusations of Mac. You know you are not going to persuade me otherwise. The ship sailed on me being an easy lynch but there is an off chance of convincing Varsoon to look my way if not with who he has been pointing at. If Mac were scum, no reason to kill off BB Molla over Varsoon as can talk to BBmolla in private and far easier to get the miss. And yes, I realize the double secret, extra special WIFOM scenarios that can happen. Usually, the simplest solution is the solution. The psychology fits in one direction right now...

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:45 am

In post 2316, Luna Lovegood wrote:
In post 2312, Mac wrote:indeed.

shall we talk about the elephant?
I kinda want peace to acknowledge it, at least.

acknowledge what, that I can still be a suspect to varsoon and mac... sure. Interesting if you end up point this way. Of course you kind of have to as long as it is not you it doesn't matter.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:45 am

In post 2317, Mac wrote:varsoon is hated, right?

yup

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:29 pm

Varsoon if you believe Luna is town then game is over and you are a moron...
congrats luna... you knew what you were doing with varsoon.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:29 pm

vote Luna...

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:31 pm

In post 2321, Varsoon wrote:On the real, I don't trust either of 'em.

PB's doing the scum-dance of WIFOMing the kill in a way that, awkwardly enough, doesn't free him from suspicion.

Mac's being way too quiet and not making the Mac powerplays that I expect from the Mac I love.

I'll probably just sheep Luna for the win (or loss, fuck it, but I'm willing to put my trust into Nacho for one last wild ride).

So, Mac and PB, duke it out. Heaven or Hell! Fight!

you really are super dense...
don't matter who you vote... I am not scum, I highly doubt make is. Luna has been playing scummy all game long and you are pied to his piper.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:38 pm

hey, varsoon... read over the whole slot on Mac. Please explain to me the psychology of RC's play if scum...
followed by Titus, then Mac's play at the tale. You are going on an expectation that is faulty. Add in things from a design perspective. You seriously think balance wise the mod put 2 opposing "cops" together as neighbor with one bad and one good? And then the bad one just initially locked onto the good one? really? And then kills their partner at the end? Ask yourself Varsoon why you are alive, seriously...
Look serious at Nacho's play. Compare it with His record. Seriously.

then explain to me the psychology of my play as scum...Luna himself admitted I would have to be a master manipulative, super good player to pull it off. I am not that good.
Luna-Nacho's play has been one to avoid things and then at the tail here try and engage things think is scummy.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:42 pm

In post 2320, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2311, Luna Lovegood wrote:I do agree that Varsoon is either town or a massive dick, though.

YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT, MISTER NACHOS.

Anyway, we got to today on the power of belief.

I BELIEVE Luna is town.
Ooba's reactions were too obviously scum hammering town, feeling confident in a win, etc etc etc.

That leaves Mac and PB.

Although I really wish it left PB and J. BADUMTISH~

oh and Varsoon, regarding ooba and luna's play. You forget they had day talk. Reread it and tell me they were not coordinated. Do not forget that scum around here for some reason naturally bus by first instinct.
I have said I think what I can say, I pray you wise up. I am not voting anyone other than Luna.
I suggest Mac and Luna cast their votes and then Varsoon you can make your pick...
right now I do not have much hope.

PeaceBringer · Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:56 pm

Varsoon- one last attempt to talk sense into you-

as a BG you always want the easiest surest way to a win at end game.

If I were a BG here, I kill you, I leave BBMolla and Mac and Luna. Let them get all paranoid. Now if I went for the double secret spin I would probably just let you convince me of mac being scum.

Mac's easiest path to a win does not involve leaving you alive, as you keep pushing them. With no reason. I had hoped that maybe perhaps you were setting things up so you would be set in this position and pull a "psych." It certainly would be within your realm of play. I see no vantage for Mac here killing BBMolla, no WIFOM that really would make sense.

Luna- This is the perfect situation for luna. Sure he is me suspecting him most of the game, but I have not got the klout to be listened to here. Also a low hanging fruit that is easily suspect. Also Varsoon, face it, Luna knows what you look for and how to manipulate you, pretty sure ooba does as well. I cannot say anything else, the logic, the psychology, all of it points to Luna. Either you can see it or you are too misted by luna... time will tell.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:43 am

In post 2331, Mac wrote:you're ignoring all the obvious signs that point to luna being town. like i said, i think lynching you will result in the win and we're just putting off the inevitable.

well you are very badly mistaken... so you think I am just that super manipulative.

I am not ignoring anything about Luna... I know exactly what he has done. The only other option is you... so you think I should be voting you instead? How would I be ignoring anything... the only way a lynch of me will result in a win is if you are scum...

Luna cast you vote, then it is on varsoon. Probably best if you vote mac...

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:48 am

In post 2329, Mac wrote:
In post 2315, PeaceBringer wrote:see, the play makes sense only from the perspective of you being scum, luna.
Mac is scum here, varsoon is dead. It is all about getting the right fit at end game, it is about what you think you can do to get a win.
All it takes is one person to have it wrong. So Varsoon has 2 votes, engages in blustery accusations of Mac. You know you are not going to persuade me otherwise. The ship sailed on me being an easy lynch but there is an off chance of convincing Varsoon to look my way if not with who he has been pointing at. If Mac were scum, no reason to kill off BB Molla over Varsoon as can talk to BBmolla in private and far easier to get the miss. And yes, I realize the double secret, extra special WIFOM scenarios that can happen. Usually, the simplest solution is the solution. The psychology fits in one direction right now...
you're suggesting that if i were scum, varsoon would be dead because he's suspecting me? using your own logic against you, if luna were scum, you should be dead because you're pushing them the most.

i feel like we're prolonging the inevitable here, i feel like it's obvious ooba was trying to quickhammer LUNA for a scum win. what do you think happened there? varsoon could be the other scum but i highly doubt he'd troll us to this extent (in fact, I totally don't doubt it, but I don't think it's happening here.) you tried peace, but ultimately it's not going to work.

no, me being around benefits luna more so then my pushing him.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:06 am

In post 2334, Mac wrote:why is it beneficial for luna?

why do you think ooba quickhammered luna?

I am still a suspect, he can take pressure off himself by me being around...
I already stated what is behind ooba's play... tell me, only way quick hammer works is if you are coscum with ooba, as again I know I am not.
so, hey, congrats, I an now starting to question my call, maybe Varsoon is not so dense after all... you could be easily scum and I did think of one element where mod could design the pair as good/bad that would make sense for design standpoint. So congrats on that I guess. I am now less sure of myself... maybe I have got it wrong
btw- I have 2 options as scum here, you and luna.
I know for fact I am not scum.

Luna- if you are not scum then it is mac...

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:17 am

ah, but no, while you manage to give me some means of doubt here, you play here do not make sense if you are scum really either. Why would you draw attention to yourself here if scum. If you are town and given the way the day transpired, I can see how you might post that way. There would be no motivation for scum to make such a post.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:19 am

In post 2336, Mac wrote:
In post 2325, PeaceBringer wrote:hey, varsoon... read over the whole slot on Mac. Please explain to me the psychology of RC's play if scum...
followed by Titus, then Mac's play at the tale. You are going on an expectation that is faulty. Add in things from a design perspective. You seriously think balance wise the mod put 2 opposing "cops" together as neighbor with one bad and one good? And then the bad one just initially locked onto the good one? really? And then kills their partner at the end? Ask yourself Varsoon why you are alive, seriously...
Look serious at Nacho's play. Compare it with His record. Seriously.

then explain to me the psychology of my play as scum...Luna himself admitted I would have to be a master manipulative, super good player to pull it off. I am not that good.
Luna-Nacho's play has been one to avoid things and then at the tail here try and engage things think is scummy.
i am literally lost with that post. the ooba quickhammer was clear for everyone to see.

sigh,
the scum and ooba have day talk... I am not scum, so if it is a quick hammer attempt at a scum win then it means you are it... sure cast a vote, he could have been absent minded and left it with text, but it could all be a clever ploy... and if you are not scum Mac, then that is exactly what it was...a clever ploy.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:07 pm

In post 2348, Varsoon wrote:So, I guess that really only leaves PB.

Well, I am not scum. Set aside what you think of my grammar, I have only been trying to point you in the right direction. Funny, now that the momentum seems to be picking up in my direction, Luna points at me. Varsoon, what you are reading as "flailing" is me trying to convince you of what I think is the right move. Take a look at Luna's most recent posting and ask your self, town or scum. He sort of tilts to me now that momentum is shifting that way but giving argumentation for why it could be me as well. Let me ask you this, are you really reading anything I say closely, are your really sorting things out, for the game is in your hands Varsoon.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:08 pm

In post 2354, Varsoon wrote:Nacho, I said that I'd trust you 100% next time it came to me trusting you.

Gotta say, my paranoia is killing me, and right now, if you're scum, you fuckin' earned this win.

Vote: Peacebringer

P-EDIT: Mac, you're so best. Of course, I'm terribad at reading both you and Nacho, so I'll paranoia myself to defeat nine times out of ten. Right now, I can see a situation where PB is trying to shift suspicion to Mac and position himself as town, but I can also see either one of Mac/Luna confirming the other as town while pushing the easy PB lynch. But, you know what?

I believe.

that ended the game- stupid moron--- congrats Luna...
I am and always have been town. See you in the funny pages. Bye. Morons.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:08 pm

In post 2356, Luna Lovegood wrote:I believe.

congrats

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:09 pm

In post 2358, Mac wrote:nah im trolling, im town. i think we won.

nope

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:09 pm

In post 2360, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2357, Mac wrote:hehehe

In post 2358, Mac wrote:nah im trolling, im town. i think we won.
My heart sank to my colon for a second.

it should stay there... you f-d up.

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:13 pm

shaking my head that you really think that I woulda been able to post and play the way I did and be scum... stupid, moronic, no thought whatsoever...
okay. Now I am gone. I am free! Luna, you knew who you needed at the end, played them like the suckers they are... congrats...

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:13 pm

shaking my head that you really think that I woulda been able to post and play the way I did and be scum... stupid, moronic, no thought whatsoever...
okay. Now I am gone. I am free! Luna, you knew who you needed at the end, played them like the suckers they are... congrats...

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:16 pm

In post 2368, Mac wrote:why do you keep saying it's luna?

was it really you? if so then you fooled me...

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:18 pm

In post 2369, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 2368, Mac wrote:why do you keep saying it's luna?
was it really you? if so then you fooled me...

and varsoon woulda had it right and talked himself outta it... didn't believe...
makes me feel a tad better if I woulda had it wrong anyway...

PeaceBringer · Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:19 pm

In post 2370, Mac wrote:hahaha. no. but you were starting to turn on me late on, now you're back to luna?

smells like we lynched scum.

you had me questioning myself as I always consider and reconsider. I never left Luna, FYI, and now that game is over, clearly think Luna won...

PeaceBringer · Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:10 am

In post 2379, Cabd wrote:I'm not a fan of the way that voting shuffle was handled. Yes your rules say it but it was rather silly IMO

I take it by this comment that Luna was in fact the last remaining BG.
I certainly agree that the voting rule is less than to be desired and it was taken advantage of in this game either on purpose or not. A vote is a vote is a vote and such a rule can be manipulated as appears to have happened here.