Mafia 63: Wolves - Game over!

[Battle Mage]

what does a village smith do?
furthermore, Ancalagon and Panzer are always scum. With one replacing the other, i dont think there can be any other solution:

Vote Ancalagon

[Battle Mage]

Bah! My eyesight is going!

Unvote

Anca replaced pever, not Panzer.

Vote: Battle Mage

[Battle Mage]

voting Twito is a definite scum-tell!

Vote: Scarecrow

Having said that, so is wagonning alongside Ancalagon!

Well well. It looks like I forgot that Twito is playing.

unvote, vote: Twito

Take that you crazy man, you!

[Battle Mage]

and N9V isnt a noobie.

Unvote, Vote: Thadmiral

This isn't a noobie game, right? No one should be scared off by any votes.

[Battle Mage]

well at this stage, i hardly see the need to explain my votes, but if you insist:
I voted for Thadmiral because he seemed very concerned about being polite to N9V. Seemed like potential noob mafia sucking up.
My vote on you was partially a joke anyway. This vote is a bit more well thought out.

BM, why did you vote me, then unvote, then vote Thadmiral?

I don't see any reason to unvote me, or to put a second vote on Thadmiral.

[Battle Mage]

wow, you sure seem keen to incriminate someone dont you?

[Battle Mage]

we all know SV is sick. However, what he does in his private life is no business of ours!

(jk SV- luv ya realy)

[Battle Mage]

oh dear, im at lynch -7. If i get one more vote, i think ill claim. ROFL

[Battle Mage]

ok-im claiming. My role dictates that i am an Invincible Day-Night Vig with a maximum of 5 kills for the duration of the game. I can also roleblock and protect 1 person each night. I also get a prod every time a Mafia Member posts.

To sum up, i now know the identity of every single Mafia Member.
Game over methinks.

[Battle Mage]

Ancalagon-he hardly has a 'wagon'. He has 2-3 votes, with 9 to lynch. His current count is hardly surprising at this stage of the game. Similarly, i notice you havent complained about the wagon on me (of the same size) which is even weaker.

[Battle Mage]

Dont panic scum. I was only joking, and so (i think) was Fircoal.
But dont worry, just because i havent caught you already, doesnt mean i wont.

What? Is battle-mage joking? And if so, did firecoal just reveal himself?

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Scarecrow

The only reason anyone would get confused between those 2 games is if they have different roles. Im not discounting the possibility that this confusion is due to a protown power role, but if you are scum in one of those games, im betting it is this one, considering how keen and excited you seemed at the prospect of being able to lynch Fircoal (for a bogus claim). You then backtracked as soon as i told you that this would not be the case.

Dont panic scum. I was only joking, and so (i think) was Fircoal.
But dont worry, just because i havent caught you already, doesnt mean i wont.

What? Is battle-mage joking? And if so, did firecoal just reveal himself?

Oh wait, you're right.

I'm in two werewolf games right now, with a lot of the same players, and one of them is normal (This one), and the other is supposed to be themed and weird, so yeah.

[Battle Mage]

to be fair to you, i had a look at Corons posts too. Indeed, he didnt provide much reason for his vote, but his reason was sufficient imo at this stage. Him having the guts to follow his feelings is not a scumtell. You trying to pass the buck, IS.
My vote stands.

Whatever you say. However, would you care to explain why you're voting me and not Coron, who, in addition to being the one voting firecoal (which I am not), has also been lurking and has not even deigned to provide a reason for his vote?

[Battle Mage]

actually this is true. When i was Pookys scumbuddy on the Marathon Day, he was also very helpful, coming up with crazy strategies etc.
However, perhaps thats just normal Pooky.

More of this active "useful" Pooky = More evidence of Pookyscum.

[Battle Mage]

did you read my comments on Scarecrow!?
They are far more noteworthy than a bogus Mafia Claim. Im leaning towards Fircoal being town, because i can see a strong possibility of scum trying to get him lynched on the basis of it being serious-which it evidently wasnt.
That is how i regard you atm.

BM

I am not really getting a scum vibe from ThAd.

unvote: ThAdmiral

Pooky, hmm, not sure.

But for now, I'm with Coron. The jokey mafia claim is the best scum evidence I have seen so far.

vote: Fircoal

[Battle Mage]

to be quite honest, i havent had the stomach to read them in full. The argument between him and Thadmiral using different colours in quotes was a nightmare to read, and i dont think it really achieved anything.

Pooky's arguments are ridiculous.

[Battle Mage]

frankly, i think your vote is fine where it is. Pooky has been acting scummy, but its nothing in comparison to Scarecrow.
Id like to hear more from him before anyone takes their vote off...

Exactly. He thinks it's ridiculous to vote someone just because he has squiggles in his name, but it just was another version of a random vote.

I'm inclined to vote Pooky right now, but it'll wait a while.

[Battle Mage]

actually, i think it WOULD have been less scummy to just vote for him. The fact that you chose not to, is a sign that it was a calculated move. A misplaced vote is easy to understand in protown players, but somebody looking for an opportunity to join a strong wagon is distinctly scummy.
I dont think you deserve a lynch based solely on this, but i will be watching your behaviour from now on...

OK, so, er, you think I'm scummy why? Because I asked whether or not Firecoal was serious? It's not like it would have been less scummy to vote him for no reason, and after I was told he was of course joking, I had nothing more to do with it.

I really don't understand your logic here.

[Battle Mage]

ok. ill unvote you as soon as i see someone else worthier of a wagon.
in the meantime, can some of the people on my wagon give a decent reason, or gtfo?
lol

[Battle Mage]

Do you intend to offer a reason behind your vote on me which still stands?

Which is basically my view of the game btw, that most of you are probably too lazy to actually read what took place during the exchange between me and him, and are idly thumbing your arms.

Disgusted and disappointed I am.

I read it.

[Battle Mage]

indeed. Fircoal must be either scum, or unco-operative town. Probably should be lynched either way. also, can the 2 other people on my wagon be prodded?

FOs: Ancalagon for the nice bandwagon vote.

Hm.... no bandwagons? And...

FoS: Fircoal

Not for that, but for this:
[quote="Fircoal]And Battlemage, I'm voting you because I like voting people named Battle Mage

[/quote][/quote]

[Battle Mage]

actually just a though on Twito: Ive seen him before quite recently as scum. In that game, he only made a couple posts for the majority of Day 1, including a poor reasoned vote that stayed for most of the day. It was only when he had a significant wagon on him that he started defending himself.
Maybe a wagon on him would get him contributing a bit more?

[Battle Mage]

actually, i would have voted for him myself, had my case on Scarecrow been weak enough to disregard. Presumably Scarecrows move onto Twito is to entice me off his wagon. He obviously knows me too well.

Unvote, Vote: Twito

id like to hear some contributions from him, but a bit o pressure cant do any harm.

Oh, great reason there, Scarecrow. BM posts a mere observation, not even worthy of a finger, much less a vote, and you're ready to vote for Twito? Not that I don't think Twito might be scum, but that was an awfully quick vote justified by a thin meta-game assertion.

FoS: Scarecrow

.

oh, and can we get a confirmation that Twito is even going to be around for the next week?...Isn't he on Easter holiday?

1) What is scarecrow trying to assert then if it is so obvious?

2) I think I've made it quite clear that my vote is based on four reasons, I don't see how you can ignore three of them and say it is based only on the first reason. I'd say attacking me and saying that I'm basing my vote on ThAd on ONE reason when I've supplied FOUR is "blind".

If anyone is blind here, it is you.

1) What Scarecrow is, or was, trying to assert is no mystery. He was asserting that you were being aggressive to the point of being suspiciously so. This was recognized by several people, including me and Ancalagon. Ultimately, however, Scarecrow’s assertions are immaterial, since it wasn’t the content that you questioned, but rather the format.

When Ancalagon seconded Scarecrow’s posted suspicions, you attacked not his reasoning, but his terminology. Granted, you were already defending your aggression elsewhere, but it seemed to undermine your efforts to not simply refute the substance of the Scarecrow/Jingolaw/Ancalagon accusation, but rather go after Ancalagon purely on a procedural formality. That’s what looked bad, and still does: your all caps FoS attack on Ancalagon based on nothing more than your perception that an interrogatory should not be quoted for truthiness.

2) I’ll remind you that I’m not questioning your vote for ThAdmiral; it may be well-placed. I’m questioning your odd adherence to a nonsensical rationale, namely this whole random vs. joke / funny vs. not-funny meme. It’s silly, and you know it’s silly, which is why your continued defense of it makes me very suspicious. Your other reasons seem OK to me, but if number 4 in the list of reasons is completely baseless, that calls in to question reasons 1 through 3. You then trumpet that we’re not listening to reasons 1 through 3, and my answer is yes, that’s correct, we’re not listening to reasons 1 through 3, because reason 4 is the one we’re talking about.

In any case, my suspicion is that this is a case of throwing good logic after bad, and that the scum are just lurking and waiting...probably.

For now, I’ll

unvote: Pooky

.

[Battle Mage]

to an extent i agree. i will never trust anyone elses metagaming as evidence for my own opinions, but if i have been able to form opinions on players from other games, it stands to reason that i should use these to the best of my ability.
Twito is a hard person to read, but in this game i think he could be scum.
BM

@Fircoal-you have admitted your reason for voting me is weak. do you fancy unvoting any time soon?

@ scarecrow and battle mage: I think metagaming is a bad practice in general, as I have already said.

[Battle Mage]

can we please have a prod on N9V and TheJiveMachine?

@Scarecrow-no i dont see what you mean, as you didnt care to explain...

Please keep your quoting relevant.
The long style is really distracting.

Thanks.
-P

[Battle Mage]

that doesnt mean alot-you could quite easily be lurking in your other games.
anyway, i understand it may be tough, but if you could please make an occassional effort to pop in and comment on this game, that would be good.
Just think what might happen to the town without your expert guidance?!

Unvote

on the premise that we hear a little more from Twito in the future.

Do you want me to point to other games where my activity dropped after being reasonably high or can you manage it yourself?

[Battle Mage]

thats one of the main concepts of Mafia.

I suppose it's not just metagaming as such that I am against, it's more jumping to conclusions about a player without knowing the whole story.

[Battle Mage]

good point. his unwillingness to contribute to the game smells a bit odd. Must be scum

Vote: Fircoal

You know how sometimes you just aren't in the right frame of mind to play mafia? No? Foreign concept? Sorry for my lack of contributions, anyway.

Given the deadline approaching, and the multi bandwagon possibilities, I would hop on one of them, but I still quite like my Fircoal vote, so will stick with it a while longer.

[Battle Mage]

the fact that you have made absolutely no attempt to help catch scum in this game is peculiar. Even YOU are usually more pro-active than this. The only reason i can think of for you being so downright lazy, is that you dont really care who gets lynched, as long as it isnt your scumbuddies.
You look like scum to me.
BM

good point. his unwillingness to contribute to the game smells a bit odd. Must be scum

Vote: Fircoal

Where did you get that from. Your posts are making me conformable with my random vote. Except now it's not so random.

[Battle Mage]

alright, if you ACTUALLY think im being scummy, why not do the unthinkable, and show some evidence?

the fact that you have made absolutely no attempt to help catch scum in this game is peculiar. Even YOU are usually more pro-active than this. The only reason i can think of for you being so downright lazy, is that you dont really care who gets lynched, as long as it isnt your scumbuddies.
You look like scum to me.
BM

good point. his unwillingness to contribute to the game smells a bit odd. Must be scum

Vote: Fircoal

I want scum to get lynched. Right now, I don't see really anyone being that scummy, but you.
Where did you get that from. Your posts are making me conformable with my random vote. Except now it's not so random.

[Battle Mage]

no lol. first time in a long time i think.
if i remember rightly, we were about to lynch Fircoal with an impending deadline. an extension would be nice lol.

Um, weird. Does that happen often?

[Battle Mage]

N9V unvoted me. also i voted Fircoal.

vote:Fircoal

[Battle Mage]

mainly the fact that he is being deliberately unhelpful and is unwilling to contribute to the town. I wouldnt say hes exactly scummy, but he needs to get his arse into gear.

What's the evidence on Fircoal?

[Battle Mage]

well first you could try prodding people like SV and N9V, who probably dont even know that the game is being played.
BM

[Battle Mage]

twito is going on vacation so i doubt a prod will do much now.

[Battle Mage]

i dont think lynching lurkers is a good idea. the mod is trying to replace them atm i believe. Still happy with a Fircoal lynch.
BM

[Battle Mage]

ah welcome Rich
i figured something was up when, after SV promising activity, she started posting other games, and not here...
BM

[Battle Mage]

quick, someone hammer Fircoal.

[Battle Mage]

interesting kills. im surprised that scum would kill Twito, seeing as he was quite high on a few peoples suspect list. Perhaps the shooting indicates a Vig kill?
the eating is presumably the wolf mafia kill on Thadmiral. he didnt do alot, except make quote pyramids. i cant say im sad hes gone. also, can we get views on whether Fircoals role was scum?
sorcerer sounds scummy, but the lack of colour isnt helpful. i asked the Mod, but Phoebus couldnt comment...
BM

[Battle Mage]

Jordan, i dont think the mod is willing to divulge such things :p

[Battle Mage]

ah, in that case, i think Twito could be scum, and as such, a Vig-Kill.
Thadmiral was probably a power role. fletcher doesnt sound vanilla.

At this time I will say:

Read the scene. Draw your conclusions.
More information may or may not appear later.

[Battle Mage]

That was the good death

Dude-read the above ^

i dont have a clue what a milliner does irl, but what i do know, is that Phoebus is suggesting that this kill was the best. I suppose its possible that it could be implying that Twito (townie) dying, wasnt as bad as Thadmiral (power role), but i think based on Twitos behaviour, he was probably scum. if Twito was scum, he didnt bother doing anything last night, as indicated by the fact that he "lay in bed".

im also pretty sure that Sorcerer is a scum role. if it was protown, it might have been Magician, or Wizard.
Sorceror has connotations of evil dontcha think?
BM

[Battle Mage]

duh-im talking SK's, or survivors or the like.
they are very likely in a game like this.

BM thing is I expect the scum to be Wolves and be revealed as such not Sorcerers or Milliners and the like. Fircoal may have been an independent but I don't think he'd be part of that breed of baying animals and being as I think we're just up against Wolves I think it's possible we're four down already with Blackberry biting the dust aswell.

[Battle Mage]

yes, i think a

Vote: Talitha

would be a good start. the post identified by Jordan does look scummy.

[Battle Mage]

is that OMGUS? lol
or is it because you dont like me?

fyi-my vote on you is not a permanent vote. i still need to reread. However, the post pointed out by Jordan was scummy enough to warrant a vote.

BM

Following on from the thought in my above post...

vote: Battle Mage

[Battle Mage]

the post indicated that you were desperately looking for someone easy to lynch. You were also playing up to the rest of the town.

BM: I guess it's an OMGUS vote. You played day 1 so I expected you would have related to what I said and shared my frustration at the non-participation. Can you please explain what was scummy about what I said?

Blessed relief of Day 2? We were on Page 10, hardly a long and arduous day. And what do you mean if we can't get replacements?

The day

is

long and arduous when the majority of people aren't posting. The number of pages is not really relevant; the time taken IS relevant, especially when you consider the low low participation. And did you read the post where the mod said he was having trouble getting replacements? That is what I meant.

seems there was a substantial amount of posts lost in the crash

Nah, it wasn't that many. I saw the thread immediately before and afterwards and I guess about 8-ish posts were missing.

[Battle Mage]

Desperately looking for someone easy to lynch, or desperately trying to get a stagnant game moving? Playing up to the rest of the town, or trying to encourage others to speak?

And I think it is a case of the pot calling the kettle "black". You seem to be looking for an easy lynch by lazily jumping on a bandwagon and not considering the context of my singular "scummy" post.

rofl. i find it even MORE hilarious that, despite me being the only 1 of 4 people, to say that the vote was only temporary, until i could reread, i seem to be the one taking all the crap.
Pooky, is there any reason for your vote, other than total randomness?

[Battle Mage]

*nukes Pooky.

[Battle Mage]

hmm i dont mind getting suspicion on me, but im getting bandwagonned on no logic in all my games atm.

can we have a vote count please?

it might be time for a claim soon. Hint Hint.

[Battle Mage]

who said i was a sensible townie?

it might be time for a claim soon. Hint Hint.

BM no sensible townie wants to claim at any time, take it your attempting to humour us all.

Melish where has this guy got to with his re-read.

Skruffs who is 324 directed at?

[Battle Mage]

i think the logical assumption is that Fircoal was some sort of Special Powered SK. He could have been part of a second scumgroup, but i doubt it.
I am almost certain that Fircoal was Anti-Town. i thought we had clarified this ages ago..

@pooky/theo/anyone else who thinks BM is scum: Due to your feelings that BM is scum, would that imply that you see fircoal as town? I would think that in a game this large, scum would not vote off scum day 1 if it's only 5 votes to lynch.

My impression is that fircoal was town, but I'm not sure if that's what the rest of the town thinks.

@BM: What exactly do you think of Pooky/Theo's accusation against you?

To me, their accusation that BM is scum has very little basis, and I'm going to need more then a bunch of quotes that prove little to sway me to vote BM.

[Battle Mage]

lol Talitha's play is ridiculous.

[Battle Mage]

until some players get their act together, im not rereading.

[Battle Mage]

Let's kill BM

he just pulled the "i'm not gonna work until everyone else works too" card on us.

lol appeal to emotion. nice work Pooky.

[Battle Mage]

lol says you Theo. how many games have you successfully modded to the finish?
not to mention your join date... rofl

[Battle Mage]

i dont like Theos play atall. he doesnt seem to be putting any effort into it...

Unvote, Vote: Theo

[Battle Mage]

Theo's attacks are a bit harsh to me, which I could see as really scummy, or really pro-town. I think I'll go with my gut and say it's scummy though.

Unvote Vote: Theopor_COD

Weak Gut, You'd be wrong . . .

BM I don't always set out to be helpful as scum or town, pays to mix it up.

Do like that two suspicious characters have both hopped onto a wagon though.

you're suggesting to me, that i am a suspicious character? you actually want me to lynch MYSELF?
that is weak Theo.

im confident that Theo is scum.

[Battle Mage]

seemed like you were trying to convince SOMEBODY to agree with you.
Unfortunately for you, i dont find Miztef or myself very scummy atm. Of course, i still need a read through, but im finding it increasingly hard to see you as town.

[Battle Mage]

Jordan, Theo is totally the play for today.

[Battle Mage]

because im less certain of him being scum. Theo on the other hand, im very confident of being scum.

[Battle Mage]

@Miztef-this is seriously not Theos normal style. Usually he is actually helpful and keen to contribute. Here he's acting completely out of character, thus im having a hard time trusting him.

[Battle Mage]

LOL @ twito

I agree with jingolaw that the posts made by everyone are uninspiring. Alot chit chat, with little substance.

BM's comment about this not being Theo's normal playstyle seems overly confident. I have played with Theo before, and his playstyle here seems little different then in that instance (that game is not yet completed however, and I don't know if he is scum or not in that game).

I have liked alot of theo's latest posts, and will therefore

unvote

for the time being.

I expect that ive played more games with Theo than you. Usually his playstyle is fairly consistent. However, here and in 1 other game (which i cannot mention) his play has been significantly different. I cant say whether its an indication of him being scum, but something feels very wrong, and i cant put my finger on it.

*wants Twito to replace back in*

[Battle Mage]

lol Theo, stop voting people for inactivity, when a good PROD would suffice. it undermines the value of your vote when you DO use it on someone you think is scummy.

[Battle Mage]

hmm, can we have a vote count please?
and some more activity would be nice.

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs fishing? why doesnt that surprise me.

Jordan-werent you voting for Skruffs?

[Battle Mage]

*gives BM a bucket of bait*
THe difference between me fishing and you fishing is that I catch fish. You catch rubber boots. *nod*

actually no. the difference between me fishing and you fishing, is that i tend to fish in an attempt to help the town. You dont seem to mind what consequences your fishing has.

oh and

Unvote, Vote: Skruffs

[Battle Mage]

oh my vote isnt just as a result of his fishing. However, im getting a negative feeling about him in this game. I probably need to reread his predecessor, but the pressure vote might encourage him to participate more avidly.

BM

I'm interested to see how the DoS situation turns out. It seems that he could be lurking, or possibly have some sort of post restriction.

I don’t buy “post restriction.” It’s been too long since the prod, I think; this looks like scum-induced lurking.

FOS: Dragons of Summer

.

I agree with skruffs that Jordan seems to be in a bit of a panic mode, but I could easily see that as a pro-town panic, not nessisarily scum.

Maybe. But panic is generally scummy, as townies will normally defend themselves within reason, and then either claim or resign themselves. Here, I think Skruffs got Jordan flustered..not necessarily panicked.

@ BM: I agree that Skruffs seems a bit random, but I don’t see that as scummy at this point; I mean fishing at this point doesn’t seem unwarranted, does it? In any case, it seems a bit hasty to cast (get it?) a vote for Scruffs just for fishing. Just saying.

[Battle Mage]

I totally

Vote Miztef

Let's butcher him.

Other people who have pinged like glass when you flick it with a finger: Jordan, BM, theo, ~n9v~, DoS, Niempie.

Substantialness coming later. These are simply my gut feelings on a quick readthrough.

lol you've basically listed all the players who have posted, or been mentioned over the last few posts. Only player exempt is Skruffs.
any reason for this?

[Battle Mage]

thats the weakest meta-gaming ever. seriously you're getting as bad as MoS for inflated ego.
i dont accept apologies from potential scum.
BM

Why is not saying I am scum, a scum tell? Weird.

I don't really care that BM is voting for me... from past experience in other games, that's

more powerful than a cop claim

in clearing me. BM refuses to vote scum and always votes townies and power roles. Normally I don't bring other games into other games, but if BM is going to, I will, too.

BM, sorry if I seem negative, but I think the wagon on Talitha for saying that a lurker - someone not participating in the game - should be lynched over someone who is talking, day one, is a ridiculous argument. Jordan later on pushed that someone was suspicious for lurking, or something to that effect, which is hypocrisy. I'm sorry if I seem 'negative' in not falling for overly contrived wagons.

[Battle Mage]

metagaming? It's based on my own, personal, experience.
And it was also meant as a joke. Everyone gets fooled sometimes.

in my opinion it may be a misguided analysis, if it is based upon ongoing games, as i suspect. Regardless, if it was meant as a joke, thats fine.

[Battle Mage]

FoS on FoS?
your losing it today aren't you? lol
but in any case, i think you are probably town at this point.

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs you did slip, you said you knew Tally was town, now since you aren't admitting you're a cop, you're probably scum.

to put it into perspective, Skruffs-Cop is highly unlikely to investigate Talitha imho.
I dont like the fishing from Pooky atall, as i think Skruffs comment just reflected his opinion. on the other hand, my vote stands as its a null tell.

[Battle Mage]

...

[Battle Mage]

Skruffs, you are flogging a dead horse now. Here's the advice you once gave to me:
Look at other players, and comment on them. You two both arguing with each other isn't doing you any favours.

[Battle Mage]

Interesting.

I don't really believe NV9 at this time

, but, w/e.
I would rather quick lynch today -0 even if it's a mislynch - then to have there or possibly four players modkilled. Yes, the mod said he would modkill, but we don't need to be saying Who needs to be modkilled and who doesn't.

People are flaking out left and right, and I don't understand. This is a fun game. WEREWOLVES. FELCHERS. WOMEN'S HATS. You can not get kinkier than this game.

i agree with Skruffs here.
well the first sentence at least. :p
N9V's claim seems odd. It'll do for now, but he's by no means above suspicion imo.

BM

[Battle Mage]

im not sure the scum would choose to kill N9V tonight. I mean he's about as far from being confirmed as you could expect.

[Battle Mage]

but ofc, the scum may not NEED to kill him. the only reason i could see him getting killed tonight, is if the scum genuinely think that he will likely get a guilty on one of them. Otherwise they will probably let him live, and try and lynch him during the day. plus there is the strong possibility of doc protect.

[Battle Mage]

Niempie still alive! What gives.

n9v should if he's telling the truth have two results. Being that we've had two nights. Fact that he only blurted out one innocent is very odd.

thats actually a GOOD CATCH!
Plus his play has been dubious-persisting with a campaign for an easy mislynch.

HoS: N9V

my vote on Skruffs stands, but i will probably change to Niempie if we dont reach 4 by tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Niempie

with 30 mins to deadline, i call that a hammer. :p

[Battle Mage]

i'm pretty sure mine was the hammer, but w/e

[Battle Mage]

bah!