Mini 416 - AM Mafia - Game Over D:

[Nai]

Not gonna random vote this game. Just checking in for now.

[Nai]

I have no idea what that just meant.

What I want to know is if "Sleep" equates to mafia all the time, and if all the 'sleep'-ers can talk to each other at night.

[Nai]

Er... Just because it says that the Sleep=Bad, it doesn't mean the Sleep equates to mafia. I was wondering if they could talk at night, among other things.

Vote: TSQ

for having the latest vote on me, putting me at lynch-3, I think.

[Nai]

Yes? What do those three have to do with me? They're about IH's random vote and a vote on him after that. How does this stop me from being at Lynch -3?

TSQ: And no, voting for me isn't a scumtell. However, putting me at lynch -3 for a perfectly reasonable question about the game IS scummy.

[Nai]

It was scummy to put me at lynch -3 without actually having any reasoning behind it at all. I was being wagoned for asking a pro-town question there.

[Nai]

I love the game of mafia. It's the only game I know of where pro-town actions can be construed as scummy where scummy actions are ALSO scummy, meaning you're screwed no matter what.

The thread DOES say that "Sleep" is bad and "Work" is good, but what it DOESN'T say is if "Sleep" directly equates to Scum and 'work' directly equates to Town. If that was the fact, it probably would have been stated as such. Instead, it just says that Sleep is bad and Work is good. So I want to know (or at least speculate about) exactly what the Sleepers get to do.

This is ALSO a mini normal, which means things don't change all that much. So there's a high chance that 'sleep' and 'work' equate directly to 'scum' and 'town'.

Now... I'm told that stopping townie discussion about a game, when things are different, is a scummy thing. Care to comment?

[Nai]

The rules don't say anything about the question I asked.

On another note, there's no way in hell I'm claiming because of this bandwagon.

[Nai]

Yeah? Let's look at this for a minute. I claim. Town sees I'm town. They go after someone else, and get ANOTHER claim. That's two claims in one day, which helps the mafia either find a power role (if we don't find one of them first), or, either way, narrow down the list to FINDING a power role.

No, a claim is not always good. Especially if the reason for the claim/bandwagon is complete and utter crap, as is the case here.

[Nai]

What, the 'force a claim out of someone with crap for reason'? And how often does that actually snag scum?

[Nai]

Where do you get that figure? I'd say that it was the amount of scum in a 12 person game, but I've usually seen it as 3 people.

[Nai]

Well, let me ask you about this, out of curiosity: What do you think about the 'case' against me at the moment?

[Nai]

Edit by way of quintuple post, TSQ?

And yes, I know the reasons for a bandwagon. But I think you get a lot less information out of a bandwagon for a stupid reason (since intelligent posters wouldn't want to be part of that) than you would an intelligent reason.

[Nai]

No, it also assumes intelligent town. No intelligent townie is going to jump on a stupid bandwagon, knowing the scum will turn that against them later on to help them get lynched.

And what do you say about what has occured?

[Nai]

I thought you might be referring to someone else. I've found a few reactions I'd love to continue on tomorrow, too.

[Nai]

Apparently, me asking questions Scum would already know the answer to makes me scum. Again: Mafia, the game where the most bass-ackwards reasoning will supposedly net you a win.

I'm really looking at Goon as well. Somehow, he's convinced I'm scum because I ask protown questions.

[Nai]

I'm hesitant to take the 'post restriction' seriously. On the one hand, it might be true. But I've never seen something like that in a mini regular.

[Nai]

Microsoft word says that, without spaces, it was 45 characters exactly. I guess you counted too many periods?

[Nai]

I'm just waiting for everyone to get back. I'm pretty sold on Goonery right now, so I'll

Unvote, Vote: Goonery.

[Nai]

Elias has basically covered it. It's mostly because Goonery has, more than anyone, stuck to thinking that I am scum for absolute craplogic.

He thinks I'm scummy for asking a protown question, continues to vote for me after other people quit voting. Indeed, his vote was BECAUSE other people unvoted, and it looks like he didn't want to be on my bandwagon until it was dying, so he couldn't be fingered if I was town, but it still looks like he was goig after someone.

Then, he says part of the reason he's voting for me is overdefensiveness. I'd love to see how, in his mind, defending myself against a craplogic bandwagon is overdefensiveness, just after I see how the craplogic was a good bandwagon to begin with.

Then we truly see HIS overdefensiveness when PBug votes for him. He's been caught in a hole of his own making, and now he's desperately trying to get out.

[Nai]

I'm currently looking at a scum group of CoG, Goonery and Panzer. Three people who think that a very well-built case is absolute fluff. That's rather coincidental.

[Nai]

I'm basically on him for his post 41, then subsequent lurking/vote hopping.

[Nai]

Okay, I see several things wrong with this picture right now.

A.) That claim of M_Gs doesn't sit right with me. If he thought I was scum, so sure I was scum, why jump on a fading bandwagon? He can one-shot me in the night and not bring this much heat on himself. I also don't trust the first person to bring up SK in a game, and I think there's a good chance he might be an SK using a one-shot vig claim to keep himself alive. Even the 'let the town choose' bit doesn't save him, because an SK doesn't HAVE to kill anyone unless he wants to. He can kill tonight, 'prove' he's town, and then sit still for a couple of game days until he's got a good chance of winning.

B.) I'm also very against Panzer right now. This has several reasons.

I.) Just because I said you were scum with two others doesn't mean you have to support those two others. Supporting both of the others would be suicide for scum. However, each of you three supported a lynch on me based on absolute craplogic. You've supported one of the other two, and are neutral to the third. You also lurk like hell and vote-hop. You seem to have to question hostility against M_G even though the case is obvious to anyone that's been reading. You are VERY scummy.

II.) Nowhere did PBug make ANY hint towards "House Telephone". All he said was that it would be hard for their roles to coexist. He didn't hint at a name or an ability. He COULD be hinting at a name OR an ability. He could be anything from a vig himself to an answering machine. In addition, even if he was a telephone, a telephone's ring can wake you up when you're sleeping. Or give you a call from your boss to say you need to be in there, either now or for extra hours. A telephone can swing both ways, and in this case the "Calling in sick" seems a bit of stretch when compared to my role and flavor.

III.) Panzer is again giving excuses for MG. "Turn off the cellphone when calling in sick" is VERY thin to me.

IIII.) And, lastly, at the end of that post, Panzer fishes for information from PBuG. There's an excellent case against MG right now (better than any case currently in the game), and yet Panzer is trying to turn the tide on PBuG and fish for information with absolutely nothing behind the vote.

C.) And there's also the recent unvote from MG to go to Panzer. This is only after I brought up Panzer's wishy-washy behavior, and after the claim. The statement before the vote is "My claim is still lukewarm", as if the claim is going to save him outright. But, since it's not, he's going to vote Panzer to make himself seem more townie.

Right now, I don't really care who gets lynched between Panzer and MG. But I know which one has more votes.

[Nai]

TSQ, you'll just have to make your points rather concise, and just do one point per post. Then we can question you on them so you can elaborate in ways that help us.

[Nai]

I still think that MG is the best choice, with Panzer in close second due to his recent two posts. One was fishing, the other was saying that he's fine with no comment and that he was fishing. He also tries to cover himself now by saying BOTH might be neutral.

MG today, Panzer tomorrow. How 'bout it?

Also, did anyone notice we gained :07 on the clock?

[Nai]

EBWODP: Which coincides with the 7 pages we've achieved. This may be because I'm playing another game with a time limit, but I think we might have a time limit here, and roles that gain abilities based on the time.

[Nai]

If MG comes up town, PBuG is one of those I'd look at. While I've been against MG from the beginning of this wagon, PBuG has been pushing for it hard. And no, I don't think they can be the same alignment.

I just wonder if we're being set up for a double-bad lynch?

[Nai]

I dont' particularly like lynch-lists unless they only involve 2 people, and the one is dependant on the other. However, I think the 3 people (MG, Panzer, and CoG) are all too close to each other.

MG is at Lynch -2. He's already claimed, so we need to make a decision here.

[Nai]

I don't think we should bother with directing his kill. It really means nothing at all, just that we give him (should he be mafia/sk) a free kill with Town's approval. It doesn't prove his innocence.

[Nai]

I dislike a person being new being used as an excuse for them to act like scum. This guy has 14 game posts, all in this thread. I doubt a newbie would go straight to a game like this if they didn't know how to play. He's shown aptitude, he's good enough to not play like this.

[Nai]

Okay then... So who wants the honors?