Mini 1505: N is for Normal (game over)

[Elyse]

Hi everyone. I will read up tonight and post tomorrow when I'm on my laptop again.

[Elyse]

Ok I made notes on my phone last night as I was reading but it was late and I was drifting off. I'll try to make sense of them though. The bolded things are what I wrote down in my phone.

Thor's "speedlynch"

Thor eventually touched on this but I thought that the argument against him that stated he was calling for a speedlynch was really dumb. It's not like a speedlynch would actually happen. It's just something to emphasize his read on the player.

Slandaar's reach on tool

Slandaar's original case on tool was a really big stretch and Slandaar usually makes big openings. This game I was disappointed and found his initial push bad, which is unlike him. In the whole Thor-Slandaar-Albert debate, I think there's at least one scum, and I was thinking it was Slandaar until recently. I'll talk more about that later.

Axxle using the word barometer

This is probably dumb but I found it odd that after Thor used the word barometer to gauge newbiness, Axxle also used it. I don't know if he's subtly aligning his play to Thor or it was just a word in his mind.

Garmr's "you guys want more fine"

I really didn't like this at all. You should always have your reads out on the table. When something asks you for more and you go "ugh fine" and churn out some content, it's scummy.

Garmr 173 scumslip

Looking back this isn't as bad as I thought it was. Here's the post:

I'm trying to engage in one on one this round but i'm kinda failing. I'm not the best at defending myself from multiple people either as

I tend to break down even as town

Albert and T-cold know this from past experience with me.

I thought the "even as town" bit was weird. It's like he's saying "I break down as scum but I even do it as town" which insinuates he's scum.

Maxous 193 town

I don't know what this is since 193 is by Macros so ignore this.

Wait I think I meant 197. I liked how Maxous pointed out that Garmr was voting his weakest read and thought that was insightful.

227 why no Ice

In TCold's post, he says that Garmr's wagon is justified and the right lynch. Ice has literally the exact opposite feelings. I found it weird that TCold didn't address Ice at all there.

As far as the Albert-Thor-Slandaar trifecta battle royale, I thought Slandaar was scum for his weak reasoning but Albert's "lol jk the case on you is fake. You should be scared of me though" bugs me the wrong way. It's like he realized he was wrong and came up with that after the fact. I also dislike his subsequent insistence that Thor is scummy for overreacting in his response? If he didn't jump on it, it would be scummy, so it's kind of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. Also, I think it was Sir Bastion who pointed out how Albert didn't question those who followed his fake case on Thor. That's a very good point.

Ice, Maxous, Thor, tool, and Sir Bastion are my strongest townreads.

Albert, Garmr, TCold, and Slandaar are my strongest scumreads.

Everyone else is some shade of null.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Elyse]

I'm pretty sure the "misrep" is back when you "misrepped" tool.

[Elyse]

The misrep is you saying that tool overexplained himself during his opening post and that he didn't want to be perceived as doing something scummy.

[Elyse]

I literally just reread the post where Thor said it was a misrep. That's what he's talking about.

And no, it's not just an opinion. When you say that someone is doing something he's not, it's a misrep. That's like saying "Obama caused the Holocaust". "What? That's a complete misrepresentation of his actions." "No it's my opinion." That's silly.

[Elyse]

I want to get off it too but Slandaar keeps saying it doesn't exist when it does. It might not be that good of a misrep but Thor isn't making something up out of thin air, like Albert is.

[Elyse]

Then why don't you explain what you really meant.

[Elyse]

Garmr's last few posts have me really unnerved. I don't like them and I feel like he's hiding behind this newb facade and avoiding commenting on the pressing issues. He just overreacts to them emotionally (example: headdesk that made his head bleed) but doesn't say if it's scummy or whatnot.

@Elyse and Thor

Assume I'm town. Who is scummier between IceNinja and Sir Bastion?

I have townreads on both of them, but gun to my head, Ice. And that's because Bastion basically replicates my thought processes in his posts, which means I know it's coming from a town PoV.

Your argument of you doing your "fake case" to break Thor's hold on the game is A) contradictory and B) nonsensical.

A. You already said that you did the fake case to show Thor how easily you could run him up and get his lynch going. This quote in particular:

Slandaar; are you ready to lynch Thor, or do you think you need more discussion to make up your mind before fully committing to him hanging? No getting cold feet once this bandwagon takes off.

makes it look like you weren't faking and came up with that after you realized your case wasn't good.

B. Thor was not the town leader in any way and in fact had suspicions on him. As Bastion touched on, your fake case helped him if anything because it took the heat off of him and put it (understandably) onto you. This is good if he is town but scary if he is scum.

So yeah I'm ready to lynch this guy once the lurkers post.

[Elyse]

@ABR
By nonsensical I mean logically nonsensical, not "it doesn't make sense to me."

I want to unvote you. I really do. But I'm just not confident enough to move onto Thor. I do think that he has been tunneling on you/Slandaar way too much, but then again, Slandaar has literally only talked about Thor this whole entire time. I don't think they are scum together, so is that a real scumtell?

And I do have some qualms with what you are saying. Almost everything you say is WIFOM. Do you really expect me to believe you when you say you wouldn't do x as scum just because you say so? The fact that you are aware of these things negates it even further.

One thing that keeps bugging me is that you are now saying you dismantled the wagon on Thor because you had doubts. Before, you said it was to show Thor that you could run him up and that he should be scared of you. Which is it?

[Elyse]

So you want me to read your scumread's position on WIFOM?

And I'm sorry but this AtE is just giving me so many doubts. Let me mull over it a little more and see what the replacements say.

[Elyse]

Why?

[Elyse]

Request denied.

[Elyse]

Town is much more liberal with their votes than that.

I'm not liking Elyse right now. Town would unvote. It's silly to try to keep a vote on after a claim, while still waiting for replacements to catch up. It's like secretly wishing for a quicklynch or something. Completely closed-minded to being wrong. It's scummy.

No. I'm keeping my vote on you because you so desperately want it off of you. Scum get antsy with votes on them. A "vanilla townie" as you claim you are shouldn't. Your reaction to me keeping my vote on you is very scummy, so I am pleased with my decision.

I am not closed-minded either. I literally said "let me mull over it a little more and see what the replacements say".

[Elyse]

And also if you said you wanted me to unvote you because you didn't want to be quicklynched or something, then maybe I would have. Instead you are pressuring me to do something and give the reasoning "it is my request". Fuck that.

[Elyse]

I'm not taking it personal. I'm just explaining my thought process.

No harm done.

[Elyse]

Albert, if you really are town, I think Thor is the person town should look into if I die tonight.

VOTE: Thor

Too easy.

I am also deeply sorry for being wrong about Thor. I feel retarded and Albert is probably waving his fist at me in the dead QT.

[Elyse]

Really Ice?

F-16 was a HIDER. He said yesterday that we should look at THOR before if he died. He died. He obviously hid behind Thor.

[Elyse]

The word before should not be there idk what that even means.

[Elyse]

Scumteam is Thor + {ICE, Garmr, Skelda, fitz} with an outside chance zakk.

I'd say ICE and Garmr. I sense some bussing going on.

[Elyse]

Yeah. I dunno.

Now that Thor is basically confscum, he's just going to spew out WIFOM and who knows what else. We should just focus on scumhunting. Honestly, I think ending the day might be better just to get him out of here.

[Elyse]

^Scum #2 found.

Now is the third ICE or Garmr? Probably Garmr.

[Elyse]

I'm not really comfortable with Elyse. It was pretty easy to see that Thor was targeted by f-16 and most players gave her townie points for if anyone else did it before her would you of still viewed elyse the same way.

On day 2 Elyse is quick to label people scum as soon as she as people start accepting her as town this is a change from her day 1 play where she would analyse things and not just blurt out stuff. This change of consistency worries me. I still think maybe waiting 1 day or so is better but this may just be difference of opinions.

That's funny since other people didn't (and still aren't) seeing it.

I don't think I should be conftown because of it, but yes, I do deserve credit. I don't see why a scum partner would do it. It wasn't as conspicuous as you make it out to be.

You are trying to discredit me and are nervous that as townies are townreading each other, it leaves scum (you) in a hard place.

[Elyse]

@Garmr
My posting style has not changed because I am being townread. I'm pretty sure I was being townread yesterday too. After a flip, (3 actually), my reads have strengthened and I have less doubts. That's natural, and you're trying to paint it as scummy.

[Elyse]

VOTE: ICENinja

[Elyse]

Yeah same. I'm thinking he's scum #3 trying to save himself by making some dumb remark.

P-edit:
I see what you are saying about fitz being suspicious of ICE yesterday but I don't get the part when you say "but then he could have just been suspicious of ICE and received a report of a town-aligned role during night one." What do you mean by that?

[Elyse]

Oh ok now I get it.

[Elyse]

ICE, how many games have you played in?

I feel like you are faking ignorance with not knowing (and not bothering to look up as Slandaar pointed out) what a hider is and conjuring up this huge theory about scum's daytalk capabilities.

If you look on the wiki, an encryptor is "a role that allows people who can converse with it to talk during the Day phase. Otherwise, they are restricted to speaking during the Night phase."

The reason for an encryptor over just giving the scum daytalk is (I'm guessing) because scum has to be more methodical with who they kill and who they bus/buddy up to. Daytalk dies with Thor, I'm assuming, so it's more important for scum to keep him alive than a regular goon or whatever.

You are approaching 4 years on-site and you seem competent and analytical, so I'm having a hard time believing that you really don't know about these things. It seems like you are trying to pass off the "too dumb to be scum" card. (Dumb being about the setup, not your actual intelligence)

[Elyse]

Skelda, you are voting ICE yet you think Slandaar fits nice with Thor-scum?

Can we lynch this instead?

[Elyse]

Ok, that makes sense. (Leaving and coming back to MS)

I don't think Slandaar is scum. I really don't.

I think you are but honestly, I think Skelda's recent post was really scummy and he seems to be willing to lynch just about anyone but himself.

[Elyse]

@Slandaar: From scum's point of view, there was no way to know whether fitz was a cop or not. Unless the mafia had a cop, fitz was just another townie to them. After the fact, yeah, I'm sure they were happy they killed a town PR. But during the night, how were they supposed to know?

@Elyse: Why don't you think Slandaar is scum? And why do you still have your vote on ICE?

I don't think he would spent LITERALLY the entire Day 1 of this game tunneling on his scumpartner. Do you honestly believe that?

My vote is still on ICE because I didn't think there was an interest in a Skelda wagon but ok.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Skelda

[Elyse]

Other than that, what does everyone think about the possibility that Slandaar made a scumslip when he said the reason fitz was nightkilled was because he was the cop?

In order to make that statement, Slandaar had to assume the scum either knew or had a very good idea that fitz was the cop. He wrote it into a post with what looked like certainty, which makes me wonder if he is scum who forgot to think like town while writing a post and gave the real reason scum killed fitz rather than the reason a townie would think scum killed fitz.

If Slandaar scumslipped, why aren't you voting him?

[Elyse]

I don't think he would spent LITERALLY the entire Day 1 of this game tunneling on his scumpartner. Do you honestly believe that?

Why wouldn't he? He's now pointing to that tunneling as evidence of him being town, so we know it's useful to him that he tunneled on Thor so much.

That's a high-risk high-reward situation that seems silly to do on D1 with no danger on either of them.

[Elyse]

Meh daytalk does increase that probability. I keep forgetting about that and how it factors into my reads.

[Elyse]

Meh I think having Slandaar and ICE alive going into tomorrow is going to cause more of the he-said-she-said nonsense that has been intoxicating this thread. (No way scum is killing either one at this point, if either is even town)

So once everyone gets their thoughts in and ICE claims, I'll probably hammer.

Intent to hammer.

[Elyse]

Skelda is giving me all sorts of weird vibes. I don't feel comfortable with him.

I feel confident in Bastion and tool town. I'll take those reads to my grave.

Sland is also probtown.

ICE is my strongest scumread, followed by Skelda.

Garmr is a scumread, and zakk is null.

[Elyse]

Also
@zakk
I LOOOVE Breaking Bad. My second favorite tv show of all time. (After LOST of course)

[Elyse]

Ok. Let's hope for the best.

VOTE: ICENinja

----[]

Also, if he does flip scum, which I find likely, Skelda is almost guaranteed scum.

[Elyse]

Welp.

This is MyLo.

Despite what ICE said, I don't think Slandaar is scum. I could be wrong, because I think there was a reason Sir Bastion was killed instead of me. We were both pretty strong townreads, so I'm going to look back and see the differences between our own reads.

I refuse to lynch tool today. He is my one strong townread that I will take with me to the end.

This leaves {zakk, Skelda, Garmr}

Honestly, Skelda is the scummiest to me. I have to look back at the strength of his apparent townslip, because that's the only thing giving me doubt with this read. He's been lurky, has had bad content when he actually posts content, and he is wishy-washy, ESPECIALLY towards the end of the day.

Zakk could be scum as well. He always keeps his options open and I never got townvibes from him at all.

Garmr gave me both scum and town vibes, and he's an obvious newb. I feel like the daytalk aspect helps him a bit since he wouldn't be so clueless with it, IMO, but there's definitely a chance he's scum.

However, we need to massclaim before we start this, so:

Vanilla Townie.

[Elyse]

Well I mean I guess but scum is going to kill me/tool I think and then we're in the same spot.

But we should definitely decide before we massclaim.

@tool
We have to massclaim at LyLo (and MyLo if we don't no lynch)

[Elyse]

Yeah.

And I do suspect Slandaar somewhat but I have trouble with him spending the whole entire day arguing against a (strong) scumbuddy. I know that daytalk makes it more likely but once I'm not lazy (Wednesday afternoon is free for me) I'll look at Bastion and ICE's last thoughts.

[Elyse]

Lol I'm dumb

[Elyse]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Elyse]

Um ok?

I thought Slandaar was probtown but he was very lynchable, especially with tool breathing down his neck. No idea why scum killed him.

Ok so if one person in {Garmr, Skelda, zakk} has a PR then we win because we have the scumteam in the VTs.

Everyone claim in your next post.

[Elyse]

Lmfao wow tool sorry that was all for nothing but yeah if you're scum you deserve it.

[Elyse]

Also claim after everyone else tool

[Elyse]

No offense, zakk, but that analysis was pretty bad.

Why would the scum kill hinge upon you? Again, not to sound rude, but do you think you're important enough for scum to base their NK on how you would react? I don't think anyone is that important, and if the scumteam believed that truly, why wouldn't they just kill you? I think the scumteam was either aiming for a PR or just trying to confuse us because tool and I were on almost everyone's town list. I (stupidly) already claimed VT and idk why they didn't kill tool but I'm pretty sure he's town so I don't really care.

It seems to me like a bs reason not to vote Garmr.

And suddenly, a zakk/Garmr scumteam makes perfect sense.

[Elyse]

When that's a proven scumtell, come back to me.

You're reaching a lot here and you didn't even address my points against your "revelation".

Thor is the type of player who wouldn't hesitate to bus his buddy anyway. That means nothing.

[Elyse]

Oh because I'm not 100% sure you're scum and I don't want to be rude, that makes me scum? Really?

Also you should really unvote me if you are town because scum can quick hammer me.

P-edit:
I'm on my phone and won't be able to respond properly until tomorrow but you're already resorting to the "You're scum!" argument which is really weak.

[Elyse]

No offense

, zakk, but that analysis was pretty bad.

Why would the scum kill hinge upon you? Again,

not to sound rude

, but do you think you're important enough for scum to base their NK on how you would react? I don't think anyone is that important, and if the scumteam believed that truly, why wouldn't they just kill you? I think the scumteam was either aiming for a PR or just trying to confuse us because tool and I were on almost everyone's town list. I (

stupidly

) already claimed VT and idk why they didn't kill tool but I'm pretty sure he's town so I don't really care.

It seems to me like a bs reason not to vote Garmr.

And suddenly, a

zakk/Garmr scumteam

makes perfect sense.

Ooooh. Ouch. Sorry, you just put the first nail in your own coffin.

How? I'll tell you how.

You're trying to convince me that you're right. You're trying to introduce doubts into my head about my own theories. You're trying to win me over to your side by being self deprecating, and by being polite.

I'm not trying to win you over to my side. I think you're scum! And I'm proving how bad your case is to the others.

Why? Because you know I'm town. If you didn't, you wouldn't bother using phrases like "no offense but I think that's pretty bad", you would just say "You're scum. And therefore your argument is false"

I'm trying to be nice. You want me to be a bitch? I will. Rawr. Be ready.

When that's a proven scumtell, come back to me.

You're reaching a lot here and you didn't even address my points against your "revelation".

Thor is the type of player who wouldn't hesitate to bus his buddy anyway. That means nothing.

I'm not reaching. I'm just putting numbers out there.

I didn't ever imply it was a proven scumtell, though your immediate defensiveness IS actually a pretty reliable scumtell, in my experience.

So you were just putting it out there for shits and giggles? Come on now.

And I am pretty sure I know what type of a player Thor is. He uses humor and deflection to try to get what he wants. Only this time, there seemed to be a lot of strong personalities in the game, and people didn't want to put up with his stuff, so he got a little out of control and flailed a little too much and got voted out early.

No, he got voted out because a hider hid behind him and died. And guess who pointed that out? Me.

And anyway, your opinion on what type of player Thor is, is pretty moot. Why? Because you're scum.

This is what I mean by the "you're scum argument". Lol it's so bad it hurts.

You just did the exact same thing Thor did ALL FREAKING GAME. He didn't address points as they were brought up. He just flipped the table (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ and kept right on trucking. But he also called into question the authority/credibility of the person he was dealing with, almost without exception. And you're now doing the exact same thing.

Is this a joke? I am addressing your points and you are ignoring mine! Seriously, you are out of your mind! I'm not discrediting you as a person, but discrediting your arguments because they are incredibly weak.

[Elyse]

Um ok?

I thought Slandaar was probtown but he was very lynchable, especially with tool breathing down his neck.

No idea why scum killed him.

Ok so if one person in {Garmr, Skelda, zakk} has a PR then we win because we have the scumteam in the VTs.

Everyone claim in your next post.

Here's what I see:

A. distancing from being scum -- "I have no idea why scum would do thaaaat!" is code for "Look at me, I'm TOTALLY town you guys!"

IS THIS A JOKE?

Seems like a weird choice of who to kill.

I was kinda expecting tool to be killed. We should probably be careful with our votes it's mylo.

SERIOUSLY?


...you suck so hard, scum. I spent four days on my book and now it doesn't even make sense to post it.

Um ok?

I thought Slandaar was probtown but he was very lynchable, especially with tool breathing down his neck. No idea why scum killed him.

Ok so if one person in {Garmr, Skelda, zakk} has a PR then we win because we have the scumteam in the VTs.

Everyone claim in your next post.

Sadly I'm not a PR.

The Slandaar kill was rather confusing, but I guess he had just about outlived his usefulness to scum.
What's worth looking at will be his suspicions following ICEninja. Not saying they're right, but it'll be useful.

EVERY SINGLE PLAYER INCLUDING YOU ACTED BAFFLED TOWARD THE SLANDAAR KILL. But it only applies to me?

B. power role hunting -- asking other people to claim, which not only distracts from scumhunting and puts attention on an artificial construct, but is also completely useless for townies and horribly useful for scum, under the thin veneer of having town's best interests at heart.

YOU ALWAYS MASSCLAIM IN LYLO. ARE YOU BEING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW? I'm not "power role hunting" like some covert operation: I'm openly asking everyone to claim so we can narrow down the scumpool. And guess what? YOU complied. If you had such a problem with it, then WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU CLAIM?

[Elyse]

oh my god this is actually ridiculous

[Elyse]

Tool who do you think is scum

[Elyse]

Ok I could see that.

[Elyse]

Process of elimination.

I'm not scum. You're not scum.

It doesn't matter if you THINK Elyse is scum or not if she is. And she is.

So what say we stop talking about your feelings, and get down to brass tacks?

You will need to convince me that Garmr is scum without a doubt, or else you'll have to agree to lynching Elyse.

I'M TOWN. This is ludacris. It certainly DOES matter what tool thinks. You are trying to manipulate him into thinking I'm scum and it's really obvious.

And wtf is with "you'll need to convince me Garmr is scum or else you have to lynch Elyse"??? You are forcing him into two positions he doesn't need to take. What if he wants to vote for you or Skelda? Are those not options because YOU say so?

Lastly, not responding to my points because they're concerned with self-preservation is bullshit and ridiculously scummy. I'm explaining why you're wrong and you're ignoring me. How does that make ANY sense?

[Elyse]

NOTHING ZAKK IS SAYING ABOUT ME HAS ANY MERIT.

Seriously wtf is this a joke? I've been protown all game and suddenly zakk decides to post a bs case on me and I'm scum?

Remember when I singal handedly got scumThor lynched? Or is that out the window now?

[Elyse]

I'm living in the land where I POINTED OUT F16's BREADCRUMB AND GOT HIM LYNCHED BY MYSELF.

I'm not posting über strong cases on Garmr and Skelda because I don't want to and you're probably scum so I'm making a case on town in that case. I also want Skelda to claim first.

Also, are you seriously trying to twist that me acting protown makes me scum?!?!?! That's actually ridiculous. "Scum try to seem town so she's scum." That's so stupid and wrong.

Lastly

WHY WON'T YOU RESPOND TO MY OTHER POINTS DIRECTLY DISPROVING YOUR CASE ON ME?

Thank you. Now, zakk, why do you think Garmr is town? And Garmr, why do you think zakk is town?

He feels really genuine to me. I don't really know how to explain it. It's just a gut feeling mostly.

And that usually is enough for me.

This bullshit is fine but I have to post über strong cases on two people I'm not sure are scum?

Am I the only one seeing how retarded this is? That along with zakk trying to make Skelda and I the only lynch options with no one else's approval.

[Elyse]

Process of elimination.

I'm not scum. You're not scum.

It doesn't matter if you THINK Elyse is scum or not if she is. And she is.

So what say we stop talking about your feelings, and get down to brass tacks?

You will need to convince me that Garmr is scum without a doubt, or else you'll have to agree to lynching Elyse.

I'M TOWN. This is ludacris. It certainly DOES matter what tool thinks. You are trying to manipulate him into thinking I'm scum and it's really obvious.

I'm trying to convince him. There's a difference. A rather large difference.

How is that ANY different from what I'm doing?

And no. Convincing someone is coming up with strong arguments, not forcing your views down their throat as they only ones available.

And wtf is with "you'll need to convince me Garmr is scum or else you have to lynch Elyse"??? You are forcing him into two positions he doesn't need to take. What if he wants to vote for you or Skelda? Are those not options because YOU say so?

He knows that 2 of 5 are scum. He knows who 1 of the townies are (himself). Therefore, it's 50/50 to him, he's just got to pick the right 2 of the remaining 4. Okay good, now that's out of the way.

So, out of you, Skelda, and Garmr, there are 2 scum. And it's not Garmr, even though tool thinks it is. In your eyes, the scum should be Garmr and Skelda, no questions asked.

But you're still trying to push other angles because you know if things get narrowed down, you lose.

No, the scumteam should not be Garmr and Skelda. You want to know why?

I THINK YOU ARE SCUM

Lastly, not responding to my points because they're concerned with self-preservation is bullshit and ridiculously scummy. I'm explaining why you're wrong and you're ignoring me. How does that make ANY sense?

I have the luxury of being ridiculously scummy because I'm town and everyone knows it.

I intend to play that angle as much as I can. No offense.

Look at you saying "no offense" just like me before. You must be scum!!!
You are most certainly NOT town and no one knows it.

Elyse, if you're not scum, and/or if you don't want to be lynched, you're going to have to convince me of Garmr's guilt. That's pretty much all there is to it.

What if I don't think he's scum? What if I think it's you/Skelda?

You are forcing me into a position that I don't want to take and it's extremely scummy.

[Elyse]

Reasons for zakk scum:
1. Votes in LyLo without everyone checking in and leaves me open to a quickhammer. Scum obviously have no problems with this.
2. Says it is scummy for me to ask for a massclaim but claimed beforehand. He just changed his position to make me look bad.
3. Refuses to respond to my posts concerning his case on me because "I'm scum and they are concerned with self-preservation."
4. Forces people into false scenarios. (You have to post uber strong cases on Garmr/Skelda or you die, Convince me Garmr is scum or you die, You have to convince me Garmr is scum or you have to lynch Elyse, etc.)
5. Comes out of his lurksack in LYLO???? Skelda is at least being consistent lurky but zakk's complete change in attitude makes me think he is just going for a quick mislynch to win the game. His analysis of "Skelda and Elyse are scum because I haven't pushed them" is terrible. He obviously thought that up in the QT and then used it as an excuse to push a mislynch on me. (Notice how he's going after me and not Skelda)
6. Contradicts himself ALL THE TIME.
7. Ignores things that happened previously in the game.

I don't know if his partner is Garmr or Skelda. I originally thought it was Garmr, but the strange stances he is taking now actually point to a Skelda scumbuddy. He wants to lynch me, not Skelda, and is asking people to convince him of Garmr's guilt as the only other lynch option. Still, he refuses to consider Skelda.

So yeah I'm only comfortable with voting zakk atm because I'm not entirely sure of his scumbuddy.

[Elyse]

I understand thinking zakk is town for wanting to clear you, but you're untouchable and it's a foregone conclusion you're not going to be lynched today. Wanting to clear you is just confirming what we already knew. It's a good scum tactic.

[Elyse]

You're a VT?

Damn.

If tool is a VT that's a weak town. Only two PRs. Well I guess it's fair if scum only has encryptor.

Either way, Skelda, I am happy you share my thoughts because I thought I was going crazy for a second. You could be bussing, but probably not.

So yeah I'm ready to vote now that my scumpool has claimed.

VOTE: zakk

[Elyse]

Well I was hoping for scum to claim PR, but I guess I can applaud them for not doing so.

I'm a seraph knight. I would hold back on my claim, but I was already going to die tonight anyway.

So I'm going to go back over the day and get back to everybody with a vote. I still feel like town has a pretty good chance of lynching scum today.

Seraph knight is such a cool role omg I wish I had that.

DON'T SAY WHO YOU PROTECTED.

(I didn't think you would but just in case)

[Elyse]

Nice AtE.

If you want to convince anyone, you should try refuting the arguments against you.

[Elyse]

I want to see what Garmr thinks of Skelda and zakk.

But zakk, you are only confirmed town if Garmr is town, which we don't know. So yeah, sorry. You and Garmr as a scumteam still makes sense.

I find your paranoia on tool a little comforting, though probably misplaced, but I want Garmr to weigh in/vote/whatever before I make my decision.

[Elyse]

Elysee is a good candidate.

Yeah this is scum. I didn't hammer you. I should be confirmed town to you if you were town.

But you're not.

So any last thoughts before I hammer this scumbutt?

Also, tool is town because he's a freaking seraph knight I mean come on.

[Elyse]

Assuming Garmr is scum (he's basically confscum now), I have to reread to find his partner during the night phase. I'm ruling tool out and scum is idiotic to keep him alive. (Tool, if you are scum, congrats. And I hate you ) Assuming it's Skelda/zakk/me tomorrow...oh God LyLo is going to be looooooong.

Well any objections before I hammer? Tool, want to give your last thoughts? I'll wait a few hours because you're probably dying tonight.

P-edit:
Damn it.

Garmr, are you really town? I hope you're kidding because self-hammering to lose the game is realllllly bad.

[Elyse]

I wish I had the same confidence as you

[Elyse]

Ok.

I will reread at night and see what I come up with.

[Elyse]

What is going on

[Elyse]

VOTE: Skelda

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Skelda

[Elyse]

Just in case

[Elyse]

Yay!

[Elyse]

Thanks for hosting, N!

I'll post more when I'm on my laptop in a few hours.

[Elyse]

I'm going to post my thoughts on all the players. (I read the entire dead QT btw)

N - Great job modding. You were always active, attentive, and on-time. You did the right thing with Garmr's last vote but I don't think it would have mattered in the long run. You also ran a very cool setup, especially using Seraph Knight which is like my favorite role for some reason.

havingfitz - Not much I can say really. You investigated the right person (Thor) but we caught you and NK'd you.

ICEninja - You didn't play as poorly as it's being made out to be. You had some misguided opinions and did not do much to dispute the suspicions on your slot. I think Thor did a great job of securing your mislynch on Day 3 during Day 2, and Slandaar's tunneling helped as well. You kept towning it up towards the end there and I was sweating it out until you got lynched.

zakk - You scared me in LyLo! I was not expecting you to come out of the gate so strong against me! You seemed really town to me but I had to fake that you were scummy to keep myself from being lynched. You had strong points (and a few stinkers ), but your previous lurking lost you the credibility you needed to get my lynch through. If you were consistently aggressive, you probably would have been able to convince tool/Skelda.

Garmr - You were a really great partner in LyLo. You distanced enough from me that the scumteam seemed to be Elyse/Skelda or zakk/Garmr and when everyone put the pieces together that you were a common scumread, you made sure to go down making me look town. It worked. And even if you got lynched, I think we would have won. Great job!

toolenduso - I thought you did a great job this game. Your book on Slandaar was sooo funny and good that it made me regret killing him because it would have been funny to see him respond to that. You were the level headed thinker the town needed in LyLo, but it was a hard situation to be in. You had a lurker, a newb, a townie player you expected to die, and a lurker-turned-aggressive scumhunter. It was a tough decision, but I think you would have been able to work it out if given enough time.

Sir Bastion - You were always obvtown to me and showed great logic throughout the game. I was really impressed with your play. Great work.

Slandaar - I felt like your play was more distracting than it was helpful in the long run, but had you made it to LyLo, I think you could have earned the town a victory. I did not feel comfortable with you in LyLo, and despite the suspicion on your slot, I knew you could turn it around on a dime and get me/Garmr lynched. Overall though, the thing with Thor on Day 1 lost you nearly all of your credibility, which you needed.

Thor665 - You were a really helpful scumbuddy and I enjoyed being on your team and conspiring with you. Your Day 2 play was great and it led us through the ICE mislynch unscathed, with a tunnelly Slandaar and a confused town.

Maxous - You were the player I feared the most going into Night 1. I wanted you killed upon replacing in, pretty much. Your reads were spot on and you had great, concise thoughts. You would have been an almost impossible mislynch. If you pushed your reads a little harder, the outcome of the game might have changed.

F-16_Fighting_Falcon - You hid behind the right person and left a great crumb the scum didn't notice/take seriously. Too bad I was the one who jumped on it and took the towncred!

Albert B. Rampage - I really dislike your criticism of tool after the game. Sure, your reads may have been right on Day 1, but you still played mind-bogglingly bad with your fake case and retraction of your scumread on Thor. You gave us the mislynch we needed. If you hadn't done that and stayed alive, I know you probably would have led town to victory. But you didn't and you shouldn't criticize tool because while you might have done better late-game, you need to survive early-game first. Tool did that and you could not.

Skelda - You lurked a little too much and you AtE'd towards the end, which isn't going to ease suspicions on you. I thought your LyLo play was decent, and I completely understand the conclusions you came to. I would've done the same if I was town in your shoes. Announcing you were going to vote zakk immediately the next day was a really bad move, because it gave me an easy path to victory. It didn't make a difference, but don't announce that next time.

And that's all folks. Thanks for a fun game!

[Elyse]

Hehehe

Also, Maxous, I sigged one of your quotes in the dead QT <3