N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

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Vote: SleepyKrew

Vote: SleepyKrew

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it's been an hour and sleepykrew still hasn't been lynched

scum too scared to bus obv

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what did they do?

he claimed scum.

Also I'll probably be really angry later on

CONFIRMED NOT NICE.

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can someone explain to me why there are some people not voting sleepykrew?

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So thinking it over, people are voting and calling SleepyKrew scum because of perhaps these 2 things. Now, as I read negative utility it is not declaring scum but declaring that his role has a negative impact on the village. So the player is town but may have some impact that does not benefit town.

no, you have it all wrong. i'm voting him because i want to. and i'm calling him scum because why not?

we need to know what the "negative utility" is

no we don't

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i don't have a personal vendetta against him. i quite like him.

and what precisely do you think happens if you run someone up...

thinking ahead is not one of my strong suits

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Most likely he's claiming Miller.

he isn't

I think he's just scum for his postings.

wait, you actually think sleepykrew is scum? i didn't know there were serious votes.

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not hard to figure out that MUM is the reason it's 10 to lynch, or there's a hidden voting mechanic of some sort.

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Vote: neroandmollie

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i think you're scum.

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i don't think your posts look town. i don't like your interactions with peacebringer.

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not really. your overreactions to pb (who i'm currently reading as town, btw) don't read as genuine.

Yep

y?

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since when did scumhunting become an "overreaction".

you're not actually "scum hunting". you're just calling what you're doing "scum hunting".

feeble and sad push from your slot may possibly be town.

i feel honoured.

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I think that this is because he was scum under the impression that this is what the townies were doing

i'm reading it as a playstyle thing more than an alignment thing. and when i read it this way, his posts make sense as town (just misguided).

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Overly "suprised" that BB (maybe others) are reading him as scum.

i am surprised

I legit cannot express how contrived + scummy it feels.

describe why you think it's scummy

also if you think pb is scum, and far more people have expressed a similar suspicion, why are you unvoting him for me?

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I can't really get over how he continued to stand by SKrew needing to be pressured after it was revealed that no one was really interested in that.

i think this has to do with his conception of what someone claiming a negative utility role means about their alignment.

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we are attacking your biggest scumread so its really nonsensical that you'd have scumreads on us both.

why is this nonsensical?

serious question

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if pb does something super undeniably town in his next post, who would you then vote and why?

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Rail Tracer, but he didn't think anything of SKrew claiming it when he first read it, which is where my problem lies.

this doesn't particularly bother me. i read it as him not really paying much attention to it when it first happened, seeing the votes on him, trying to figure out why, then going back and re-evaluating sleepykrew's posts.

i can see where you're coming from, kinda, but i'm not reading it the same way

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unvote

Vote: Metal Unites Mutley

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which a) keeps rvs + fluff posting going which sucks whilst contrivedly looking helpful

you think pushing a wagon

keeps rvs going

? in what fucking world? and why do you think my fluff posting was me trying to "look helpful" when that clearly isn't the case at all.

but is also in the wider scope indicitave of what you need to do as scum (get people lycnhed)

if your thinking is that i was trying to get SK lynched, why do you think i would admit i don't even find him scummy, and that i'm not voting him for any good reason? and why do you think i unvoted? surely if my plan were a lynch on SK the easier method for achieving this is to pretend i find something scummy about him, no?

which seems to indicate he probably knows that sleepykrew is town (or not on his scumteam, etc.)

i do think SK could be town. i was gut reading him as town from his first post. and i am genuinely surprised that there are people who think he's scum.

I mean when you read the motivation behind what he's saying and the unconscious implicatures of it; it is scummy.

you're not correctly analysing it because you have this silly idea that my play makes sense as scum but you haven't really explained how it does.

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This isn't random. He is by far the most scummy person so far.

why?

Sup Peace, after 5 pages who is scum and why?

who is scum if peacebringer is town?

You are voting a player that you think is town.

why do you think he said he thinks SK could be town? do you think he's dumb scum?

lol as if PB wasn't scum enough with that post quoted above.

who is scum if peacebringer is town?

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why did you think i was scum from skimming?

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@MUM,

move your vote to anyone else

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move your vote or tell me about the hidden double vote

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while you're around, why don't you give me your reads?

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If someone with a townread on neroandmollie could explain why, that would be great.

the exchange i had with him near the bottom of p4 looked kinda town. at least enough that i don't care about them at the moment.

No read on PB yet - but if dopog is scum, PB has good chances of being his partner

why?

So VA are you actually going to do anything?

don't hold your breath.

okay that was a mega scummy post from ooba

nah. i don't agree with most of ooba's reads so far but it looks town.

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Unvote

Vote: BBMolla

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town: sk, mum, nani, ooba, mnem, neromollie, peacebringer, shadowypoison, dv

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i don't understand the multiball comment, but i don't think it has anything to do with his alignment. i like his posts - he looks like he's trying to figure out the game.

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^He's town

how do you get that from my vote on you?

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VOTE: mnemonicdevice

why?

Revelations have me believing SK's role for the moment.

why did you think he was scum?

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rail is null.

sleepy looks town I think.

how are you town on sleepykrew and null on me? like, how have you not at least formed some sort of read on me?

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Tell me why I shouldn't have you as null?

you (or your other head) have formed a town read on sleepykrew off almost no content, i'm wondering how you haven't formed any read on me whatsoever given the amount of stuff i've posted.

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Erm so now I'm thinking a rail / mnemonic scumteam seems legit

i'm readying some popcorn

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might be scum, currently not reading as town. not interested in pursuing it atm with everyone else wagoning. the one exchange i had with kats didn't make me feel bad.

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You're scum as evidenced by your first two post mnemeneodig

no. now answer my questions.

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i'm still not seeing how you think i'm town for the vote on you.

i think the second part of mnemonic's first post looked townish. why is it scummy?

and why did sk's claim make you think scum? i assumed you had some other reason, given you citing his "posting" as the reason when i asked about it earlier... (see 56)

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I have a gut scum-read on Trail

going to assume this is me. why/based on what?

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BBmolla gives me a similar vibe to Katsuki, but I'm more willing to wait on him.

what do you think of the explanation he gave in 56, compared to 218 where i asked him why he thought sk was scum earlier?

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DV saying that he thinks its MB in a 17 player game and not explaining why he made that comment equates to fluff posting/inside information

so the two possibilities you're asserting here are that it's either meaningless or DV is really, really fucking dumb scum? got it.

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i dunno... maybe because he does? that would seem like the obvious answer

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why does it matter? it's a possibility i too was considering when i asked you why you found it strange that he couldn't scum read you because you were scum reading his scum read. i don't think it's necessarily multiball, but i'm not ruling it out.

i don't know why he said he thinks it's multiball but i can think of a number of possible explanations that make sense from a town perspective and virtually none that make sense from a scum perspective unless you just think he's a really fucking horrible player.

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the town motivation of making that claim is what?

again, i can think of a number of possibilities (INCLUDING TRUTHFULLY ANSWERING THE FUCKING QUESTION YOU ASKED HIM).

Scum often hint at there being a second killing faction early on.

even if you could show this to be true (and i don't think you'd be able to provide many, if any, instances of scum saying "i think it's multiball" a few pages into a game), you would have to show that town don't say similar things in order for this to be significant in any way.

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nothing

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Too much meta.

Vote mnemonicdevice

i'm a newbie. tell me what this means and why it makes mnemonic scum.

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Still don't know why Deas made that multiball comment, though

what are your reads?

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#305 is a really lazy post

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Unvote
Vote: Katsuki

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Erm so now I'm thinking a rail / mnemonic scumteam seems legit

Larger post in the write up as of now and incoming after I do some stuff around the house.

i had popcorn ready for this and everything. disappointed.

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... what does that even mean? you think him asking for sleepykrew's meta is... some sort of "wifom" that makes mnemonic scum?

is there a headdesk emote?

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... even if this weren't something that town players do, why not comment on peacebringer bringing up katsuki's meta? why is mnemonic scum for doing it?

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then your magic 8-ball is shit

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pretend you're town for a moment.

give me your thoughts on the game so far.

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if dante isn't dead tomorrow, any vig claim should be considered a serial killer.

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What has he done that is scummy? he hasn't stood out to me yet so far

i don't have a strong read one way or the other on katsuki's early posts. 305 is a pretty horrible post though. even apart from the fact it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, it's just lazy - no comments on other stuff happening in the game, no questioning anyone, and a theme that's been consistent so far is no effort to hunt scum

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VOTE: Katsuki

hello, BB. answer 219

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HEY BBMOLLA,

I KNOW YOU'RE READING MY POSTS, SO STOP AVOIDING 219

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At least leave me with more. Just like post all your reads. Don't care how shitty they look or whatever. Just tell me your thoughts.

i also don't like this post.

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your reads suck, andrius

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trick question. best girl is mcgonagall.

are you scum, andrius?

why are you still voting DV? why are katsuki and bbmolla town? why are peacebringer and i scum?

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Kats is town because I actually liked some of his posting regarding his reads etc.

which posts in particular?

BBmolla lurks way harder as scum.

way harder? because he hasn't done much outside of active lurking so far.

Nacho had to tell me that you're a hydraslot so that makes things different.

i am, but it's only been one head posting so far because the other head is too busy for mafia atm. so whatever read you have on me has nothing to do with me being a hydra.

the vote jumping looked more like FEELERS than actual pursuit of suspects.

so you think i was doing "FEELERS" while simultaneously shutting down other options by calling them town? and you haven't formed a read on me one way or another from the content of my posts?

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because fuck you, stop ignoring me, bbmolla

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"No!! Don't attack me! 5 other people did what I did, so please read me as town!!!!' Well that's what he's barely managing to restrain himself from saying anyway. I could see myself voting that.

... i have no words for how ridiculous this sounds, given the context of what you're quoting.

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bbmola town

why?

railtracer and dante scum

do you think we're scum together or is this just based on some sort of individual scumminess?

either way, why?

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the only other person who is tweaking my scumdar is rail tracer

what about my play is 'tweaking' your scumdar? there's a long list of players now that have called me scum or scummy, and I've yet to really see anyone back up this statement with anything outside of, "i didn't like your early posts." you can call this wifom all you want, but the lack of caution i showed in my early game is more consistent with my town play than my scum play.

There are almost ZERO circumstances I can conceive it as coming from town... And if you say reaction fishing Idek I'd be pretty heated at that haha because your votes didn't seem to be dictated by it (except maybe the one on BBmolla)...

(1) i hate rvs
(2) the best way i can conceive of getting reads is to have people talk to me or about me, and playing in a way that draws attention is the best way to do this
(3) it was funny, and i wanted to see how much momentum it would gain

you seem to be assuming i ever expected the sleepykrew wagon to result in a lynch (which, if i did, it kind of doesn't make a lot of sense for me to both jump off the wagon and admit i had no good reason to be on the wagon in the first place).

the thing is, at best you can call my earlygame play somewhat antitown (even though it... really wasn't, but i can somewhat understand that some might be of the opinion that it was) because even if you posit that there's no reason for me to do it as town, there's even less reason for me to do it as scum.

"Knowing" people are town from beginning of the game => scummy.

i never claim to know anyone is town or scum. but i am a player that develops a lot of early reads, often based on single posts, depending on the content of the posts.

but even if i did say i knew he was town, what possible scum motivation can you come up with for this? do you just think i'm a really, really bad player or something?

all this aside, even if you legitimately do come up with reasons that my early play makes sense from the perspective i'm scum, you're not really doing a good job in pushing the lynch on me. perhaps you should either start making up reasons you think my more recent posts are scummy, or try a different approach in trying to paint my early posts as scummy. i'm going to put it bluntly; even if i were scum, you're wasting your vote right now because you're not really convincing anyone that i'm scum.

what are your current reads? put all of them in your next post.

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This is townish?

I could vote you and say the same thing and not have any reasoning. It's just a hidden random vote.

the tone of the post was town. he could say something similar as scum, but the way in which it was written looked town.

but this isn't important. i was asking why you thought it was scummy, not why you don't agree that it's town.

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Katsuki lynch is baseless.

it not baseless. i can't vouch for others, but i explained why i thought #305 was bad. standing on its own, you could maybe possibly call it null, but in combination with the rest of katsuki's posts, it looks pretty scummy. i elaborated a bit on this in 341. why do you think it's baseless?

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This is actually just how Katsuki plays.

ok. how do you discern katsuki's town play from katsuki's scum play?

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proddodge

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@PV,

why is ooba "scummy"? why is Nani scum?

also, is there a difference between you thinking ooba is "scummy" and you thinking Nani is scum?

can you give some explanations for all the reads you're not null on?

Which of my posts were scummy, and why?

i don't think any of your posts have been "scummy" per se, but i haven't seen anything that looks town in your posts. the fact you're null on a majority of the game doesn't help this.

Tracer and Dopog are fairly decent utility lynches

Dia could be too, if he ever checks in
Mnenomic is another
Metal Mutley
and Dante

i'm going to assume this isn't the desperado head, so including desperado's list, you guys are basically fine with lynching half the players in the game.

you should think about narrowing that down a bit.

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{dopog, Nani, BBmolla, Dante, ooba}
+ me + diabolik + mum + mnemonic

= 9 players you guys are fine with lynching today.

yeahhhhh.

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we have individual thoughts, but ultimately we aren't going to lynch anyone that one of us has a town read on so that "list" of players would be reduced to 6, might even be less depending on how desp feels about some of my other choices

ok. i was inferring that you don't consolidate reads before voting, and that your votes have nothing to do with what the other head thinks, particularly because desp's vote on dopog was apparently before you even knew the game had started.

why am i a "utility" lynch?

i recommend a rail tracer lynch as he is my #1 scumspect

i would ask you to elaborate on why i'm your #1 cum read, but i don't imagine the answer will be good in any way.

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i don't know if he is scum, but it's kind of weird that he seems to have a hidden double vote.

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oh then i should reset my read on rail tracer brb

why does it matter? you either think i'm scummy for some reason or you don't.

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uhhh...?

no good can come out of trying to understand the inner workings of MS's mind.

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i am around and not around, if you have something you want to ask me, you can ask me. seeing as you refuse to tell me why you think i'm scum and you aren't really forthcoming with any other reads, i don't know what it is you want to talk about.

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@DV,

i don't think a VA wagon is going to happen before the deadline. you, PV and Nani actually need to vote for one of the viable wagons, or do something more than you're currently doing to push your preferred lynch.

especially since it's 10 to lynch with 2 currently being replaced and mum's hidden double vote shit.

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a nani lynch isn't happening, you derptard. i asked the magic 8ball.

what are your thoughts on dopog and PV?

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you voted him...so the burden of proof is on you... never offered any evidence just a vague comment...

if there is a vig in the game, please, please, please kill this immediately.

many thanks

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If it helps you just dropped to #2.

aww, that's so nice of you.

i'd ask about your reasons, but i know you don't have any.

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oh, right.

Cause he tried to justify using meta on Day 1 and he also over-reacted to my using the Magic 8-ball to scum hunt.

swear to god. any vig claim that doesn't kill this N1 should be treated as a SK.

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it's not like we're that low on time.

it's not that we're low on time. it's that the amount of activity, combined with the need for 10 votes, combined with how little support there is for anyone that doesn't already have a wagon on them combined with how much time we have left means that unless you're going to strongly push your preferred wagon and convince other people you're right, you're better off not even trying at this point.

Also, your posts about vigging Dante are pretty disappointing.

i generally have a high tolerance for VIs. Dante is pushing that tolerance to its limit.

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then town is fucked. scum could choose not to NK the entire game and win on the back of Dante.

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mnem,

what are your current reads?

why do you keep showing up, commenting on nothing of value, then disappearing?

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why is everyone avoiding the Pog wagon?

i'm not particularly convinced he's scum. his focus on me is odd, but i don't see anything inherently scummy about it. if a PV wagon doesn't happen, i'll probably move there as a compromise. *shrug*

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Claim: Confirm-able town PR

i really hate this sort of claim. mostly because it just reeks of leaving your options open.

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Dante: Seems to be making a good effort to scumhunt.

seriously?

Are ooba's and your roles somehow connected?

if they were, i wouldn't tell you.

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Unvote
Vote: dopog

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anyone who does is a fool...

i have issues with the claim, but now that he's locked down into at least claiming a "confirmable town PR" if he's scum, that severely limits his options. yeah, it also leaves some options open, but it's not something i am worried about today and i'm not conceited enough to believe that he couldn't be town trying to deprive scum of further information.

while i think it's shit that he didn't full claim, i'm not particularly interested in pursuing it unless he's still alive come D3 with no information that actuall confirms him. i'll also be lynching him if he is still alive D3 and doesn't claim a role that is clearly town.

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Yes, seriously. It may not be the most effective scumhunting, but it's an attempt.

yeah it's an attempt... it's an attempt in the same way as using random.org to vote somebody then bashing your head against a keyboard for a minute when someone asks for an explanation.

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yes, the above is scum hunting on the same level was what dante has done this game. i only bashed my head against a keyboard for about ten seconds though, so admittedly it's only about a sixth of what he's done, but whatever.

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Re dopog: His posts with significant content (115 and 466) seem to me to be coming from a natural town thought process.

the biggest issue i have with dopog is that his case on me is basically latching onto some early stuff that happened and then ignoring every other post by me. meanwhile, he's also ignoring a majority of the other players in the game.

while i don't see anything inherently scummy in the actual content, it's the stuff that he doesn't comment on that bothers me. and i also don't see anything particularly town about his posts.

i also somewhat agree with nani's reason for thinking dopog is scum.

and i don't have any other scum reads that i'm confident enough about at this point. i suppose i could join the mnem wagon, too, mostly because his recent posts have been fairly shit, but i don't feel all that strongly about him either.

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Dopog is probably a mislynch, but I'll hop on to get a lynch.

who do you think is scum?

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588 just killed my scumdar.

i don't really see the issue with 588. elaborate.

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also I am thinking mebbe, just mebbe, rail might be town.

/hydras unite

what made you change your mind?

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I really hate DV's last few posts

i felt kind of meh about them, but they don't make me feel DV is scum.

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i don't think that's necessary.

he has locked himself into claiming a role that is bother verifiable AND a town role (and i am taking "town" role to mean "protown" - if he claims town roleblocker or town JK or something like that, he should be lynched).

further information is not currently necessary since he's severely limited in fakeclaims he can currently make as scum, and in the event he is town, i don't want scum knowing any more than they currently know.

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both*

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i am convinced PV is scum in every game and sometimes the mod fucks up his flip.

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What about getting Dante?

i don't have strong feelings one way or the other about dante. some stuff he does is antitown, and i get mild town vibes from some of the posts he makes.

Wrong.

no, i'm pretty sure ooba is town. even apart from the fact i'm reading his posts in general as town, the reason he gave for the initial double vote was really town.

remind me what your reads are, dante.

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you're lynching dopog who is v/la and can't claim or defend himself?

*shrug* i don't have strong enough feelings about other reads that enough players would agree upon this close to the deadline.

technically dopog was not V/LA but said that he'd be busy until

Monday

with time to post here and there before then...

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I really don't like this wagon.

yeah, well, you're by yourself, voting a town player, so whatever. with 7 hours to the deadline, what do you propose?

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hmm

@PV

if you have no information to verify yourself today, in your first post, i want you to declare the first and last letters of each word in your role, as well as how many letters there are in each word.

e.g. if you had dopog's role, you'd put N _ _- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ e N _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ r

i'll consider refusal to do this a scum claim, since if you are town it shouldn't give scum any additional information, and if you're scum, i want to limit your fake-claims as much as possible.

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Townreads (note that some are weak):

Dante
Shadowy Poison
Rail Tracer
PeaceBringer
Nani
MuM
Diabolik

this is mostly in line with my current reads. except add ooba to that list and replace my name with yours.

that was a bad lynch and town should be ashamed

*shrug* it's the fault of the dopog and the rest of the players that weren't active D1 that it turned out the way it did. dopog was a last-minute compromise lynch because of this. if you don't want it to happen again, maybe you should think about having more than 10 posts of content in a day phase. besides, as far as mislynches go, getting rid of a compulsive framer isn't so bad.

I want to kill [Diabolik]

why?

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interesting.

i'm going to take a wild guess that all the town PRs in this game have negative utility associated with them (compulsive framer, "normaliser" what the fuck that means, daytalk enabler), which just makes me that much more curious as to how PV's role could be a verifiable PROTOWN role.

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@bb,

why is MUM scum?

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:/

when you claim a verifiable "town" PR, presumably that means it's both verifiable and protown. otherwise, i don't fucking see the point of adding the word "town" to your claim (on two separate occasions). if you're town, that's redundant anyway.

whatever.

who do you currently think is scum?

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@bb

what do i need to call you to get you to actually read my posts and answer my questions?

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i'm going to pretend i know what's going on in this game.

Vote: mnemonic

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One component is fine. Two is what we've seen so far. Three seems like a stretch.

speaking of stretching, your argument here is a stretch.

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no, not really.

well, not any more strange than a compulsive framer or a "normaliser"

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the only thing i find strange about the claim is the guilty from a supposedly naive cop.

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i suppose bb could be scum who lied about being a naive cop because he didn't know what naive meant. he clearly didn't know what naive meant when he claimed.

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well he's either noob enough to both not read his role and not know what a naive cop is, orrrrrrrrrrrr he's noob enough to fake-claim that as scum.

in either case, the only thing we can know for sure is that he's a noob.

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I know what a naive cop is

then why the fuck did you think getting a guilty on RC made RC near confirmed town?

that to me suggests you thought naive meant insane. and the fact you didn't ask the mod about how the fuck you could get a guilty suggests you had no idea what naive means.

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I thought I was a paranoid cop due to my guilty result. Then one of my neigbbors mentioned they had a guilty in the hood. And then I rechecked, realized I was naive, and realized something wasn't right.

you claimed naive in the same post you claimed the guilty. so this obviously isn't true.

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He explained why he thought RC was town in the post you quoted.

No.

This is what happened.

Spoiler:

I'm a naive cop with a guilty on RadiantCowbell, so she should be fairly confirmed town unless anyone claims to have framed her.

I'm a naive cop with a guilty on RadiantCowbell, so she should be fairly confirmed town unless anyone claims to have framed her.

^wut

I guess there could be a Sanity Switcher that gives me an alternate result or some bullshit.

To my role PM!

And Mtillos, I was told I was a Naive Cop, I also know the identity of a Paranoid one.

It says my result will always be innocent.

But I have a guilty on RadiantCowbells.

@mod: If a framer framed someone, and a naive cop investigated that player, what would happen?

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he claimed naive in a way that suggests he thought he was insane, then he claims he thought he was paranoid to begin with (WHICH WOULD MEAN HE SHOULDN'T THINK RC IS NEAR CONFIRMED TOWN) but he also claimed naive in the same post he claimed.... and he didn't start thinking there was a problem with his claim until after people reacted to it.

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fucked up tags but whatever.

also i'm not voting bb yet.

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also he still hasn't answered

why

he claimed. usually fucking cops don't claim just because they have a result on someone they think suggests they're innocent unless that person is being wagoned hard.

and no, i'm not slinging mud, i'm pointing out the massive inconsistencies with what he's claimed so far.

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"OH WOW THEY'RE PARANOID COP WELL SHIT WHAT AM I OH I'M NAIVE WOAH WHAT THE FUCK IM NAIVE WITH A GUILTY I SHOULD PROBABLY CLAIM THAT."

*insert your shitty quote wall*

first, i don't see why you wouldn't verify with the mod how you could have got a guilty before claiming. instead you claim it in thread first and then ask the mod later... derp derp derp

second, i don't see why you ruled out possibilities other than a "framer". it could have had something to do with RC's role, it could have had something to do with neromollie's role, it could have been any number of fucking things - instead, you automatically assumed some interaction with your role and a scum framer making RC near confirmed town. fucking lol.

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protip: don't take everything i say seriously. (even though bb is actually a noob)

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btw, are you ever actually going to do anything this game? coz you're voting someone you're calling town.

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busy atm, but just to interject here.

@PV

do you not believe that he is a daytalk enabler?

if you don't believe this, then why do you think he'd claim it?
and if you do believe this, then why the fuck do you think he'd lie about his role name (as town or scum)?

your vote is really weak.

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not questioning a guilty result as a naive cop is weird as hell.

fucking finally. it's about fucking time someone else realises this.

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busy atm, but just to interject here.

@PV

do you not believe that he is a daytalk enabler?

I don't know. My questions is, why not just say so?

um... he did? that's what he said when he claimed, even if he didn't use the words "daytalk enabler".

your vote is really weak.

It may be. Show me three or more of Peace's strongest town-posts this game. Then I'll reconsider my read.

um, even if i could be bothered doing this, i probably wouldn't because you're unlikely to be able to push a lynch through on peacebringer anyway.

my point was that the reasoning for your vote is really weak.

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So, you claim to be town, and think Sleepy is scum for claiming the same thing in your PM?

this is borderline retarded logic.

i didn't begin suspecting that town could be full of negative utility roles until after the two flips + networker claim + sleepy hinting at it.

you're misrepresenting this.

the rest of the things you said in #1008 aren't really any better, but peacebringer can defend himself on them. this was just so poor i had to mention it.

I targeted Rail Tracer last night.

what was your read on me n1?

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Furthermore, do the two of you have daytalk, currently?

this is a dumb question, given how obvious the answer is (hint: read the fucking thread). not to mention the answer to this is absolutely meaningless in determining anything other than peacebringer is, or knows there is, a daytalk enabler.

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because it's nonsense (i mean, seriously, how fucking dumb do you think peacebringer needs to be to lie about that? either he's really a daytalk enabler or he knows of a role/mechanic that enables it), and it's already been confirmed. you clearly aren't reading if you can't see this.

pop quiz: how would BB know the results of this paranoid cop from N1?

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pop quiz: why do you think bb complained that RC hasn't been posting in the qt?
pop quiz: why do you think bb and RC haven't said peacebringer is confirmed scum for lying?

read the damn thread. your persistence in asking questions like this just makes it look like you're trying to seem like you're doing something when you aren't.

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are you serious or are you trolling me right now?

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is there a wagon on mitillos? i'm totally cool with a vote there if the mnem wagon falls apart.

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it's fucking dumb how few wagons have happened this game. there's been like the Katsuki wagon, the dopog lynch wagon, and this pitiful fucking excuse for a mnem wagon.

no other major wagons because nobody seems to give a shit about pushing their votes.

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like really, a week into this day phase and there's a wagon with only 6 votes (

including the double voter

), a wagon with 3 votes, and several 1vote wagons and a guy not voting

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you are both cops, AND with confirmed Sanity. do you really, really think that, even if it is a neighborhood and not a masonry, that there is even a slight chance that one of you two are scum?

Honestly?

it's a possibility i'm considering. why couldn't one of them be scum? i

do

believe they're both cops of abnormal sanity, i

don't

believe that necessarily makes them town. they might both be town, but i can imagine the mod doing something silly like putting in a scum naive cop.

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ok. remind me why you think diabolik is scum, because i don't see it. at all.

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^what are you referring to there? you mean why does mnemonic-scum suggest lynching a player he thinks is town? because i can think... of perhaps a couple reasons... he might want to do that... as scum...

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I can't think of any reason why scum would want people to know they're doing it.

one possibility is that he thinks town will agree that he's not worth lynching in comparison to a negative utility role

the other possibility is that he's town and willingly wants to lynch a town player instead of someone he thinks is scum

i think the former seems a bit more likely

Can someone tell me why they don't want to lynch Luna?

haven't seen any notable reasons to think they're scum and there are better options atm. *shrug* this game has been entirely disappointing in the amount of players who aren't contributing. and not all of them can be scum.

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*shrug* i

can

see him doing it as scum all like, "here, ignore me and look at this shiny, golden lynch!"

i suppose he

could

be dumb town, but fuck it, i see no reason not to kill it with fire. if that sounds like i'm supporting a PL, it's probably because that is kind of what i'm doing here.

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proddodge. been busy. catching up soonish

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Ooba if the mod accidentally told you an incorrect result and people lynched you for it, would that not make you upset?

i think you're downplaying the reason people actually think you're scum.

Are we just pretending mafia don't have any power to possibly counter that?

What if they have a framer and a godfather?

gonna put it out there. i think any scum PRs that exist would be abnormal, too, so i highly doubt they have a framer or a godfather. just sayin'. it would be kind of retarded if scum have like normal power roles and town have gimped brain-child-of-someone-with-a-sick-and-twisted-mind roles to counter that... also normaliser likely could have worked on them as well.

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since folks appear to want to let PV go buy yet another day....

vote Mitillos

if PV claims blocked again, i'd be cool with at least seriously considering a PV lynch tomorrow. in the mean time, i don't mind that vote either.

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MD is a shitty wagon. He's a bad player and everyone knows it, but that doesn't make him scum.

indeed. but usually mnem does stuff that kinda looks townish or i could see coming from a town mindset and i'm not really seeing that this game. do you see town stuff, or are you just saying he's bad so maybe he's not scum?

also you're not really doing anything with your BB vote. maybe you should talk about why you think BB is scum instead of whining about the mnem wagon if you want the BB lynch to happen.

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no, that's not really what people are saying about you (maybe that's

partially

why ooba thinks you're scum, but nobody else seems to be pushing that).

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Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-10-06 04:47:07)

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Well everyone, I'm town. Just normal town.

also i'm taking this as a VT claim, so whatever.

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it's a countdown timer, it counts down the time, pb.

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No. This isn't gonna fly. I'm gonna be all over your ass tomorrow and you are definitely on my ISO list so I can see what other scummy shit you've been up to in this game.

ok. gl with that.

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going to do some reading (probably tomorrow) and start putting some proper effort into this game. maybe.

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prodge. not gonna be doing anything here for about 19 hours or so.

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i'm actually fine with a mitillos lynch, i think. except i wanna properly read some stuff and that's not going to happen til after sleep. i was briefly looking through votecounts earlier and thought mitillos makes sense as scum based on a mini-VCA i was doing in my head. i'll look at it again tomorrow.

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Those who promised content should put in more time into this game.

yeah. i've been feeling kind of apathetic towards this game. i'll make reading here a priority today, i guess.

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Vote: Mitillos

this works today

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mitillos makes sense as scum. his posts feel empty and he fits the bill for coasting scum. haven't really felt any strong pushes from him this game. the push on BB-scum for having three components to his claim then the sudden reversal on this read were pretty sus, too. VA was also pretty meh. only thing that stood out in his ISO is him suggesting the person who suggested multiball is SK (could be because he knew it wasn't multiple scum factions).

i don't really think kmd is scum. nani looked townish, kmd himself is meh though. the attack on me is misguided and makes not a lot of sense, unless he thinks i'm scum who... killed PV instead of roleblocking him and trying to push his mislynch? i dunno what he's thinking there. i'm not really sure why he'd attack me as scum, though, when there are plenty of other candidates that are probably a lot easier to lynch than i am.

majiffy has been a useless sack of shit so far, but i was town reading his predecessors so he's probably (unfortunately) town.

don't really want to lynch from the cop neighbours today, so just going to ignore RC whining about BB for now.

and luna i'm a bit conflicted on. i'll get back to this later.

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probably looking at 4 scum here?

peace is town. ooba is town. i don't really want to deal with the RC/BB combo but i have reason to believe they're town (partially due to me thinking peace is town and i'm thinking his role makes BB/RC more likely town, partially for other reasons). DV still looks town. majiffy i'm still thinking is town for predecessors.

after this is where my reads break down a bit.

dante
nacho shadowy kmd
kid A
mitillos

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there is at least one other quicktopic in this game (the BB/RC one).

why do you think he'd claim it if he's scum?

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no shit.

you should vote him.

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Assuming that my role is useful (which it's probably not), Mitillos is not the best lynch.

i appreciate that this is not at all vague and is very helpful.

thanks.

i'll look at your luna stuff in a bit. who would you want to lynch if luna is town?

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massclaim now?

i'm thinking a mass claim could work today. there's already a fair amount of claims on the table, and DV softclaiming something, etc etc.

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Luna - ???
Dante - ???
DV - PR, something related to mitillos?
SP - ???
RT - ???
Peace - Daytalk Enabler
ooba - ???
kmd4390 - ???
kid A - Double-voter?
mitillos - ???
majiffy - PR, something negative utility
RC - Paranoid cop, neighbour
BB - Naive cop, neighbour

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no that's not a PGO claim

massclaim today? yes / no?

i kind of want to sort this now

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Nerewolf?

i laughed harder at this than i probably should have

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DV, if blank is anything other than like "naughty nellie" or some retarded shit like that, i doubt your role does anything.

and even if it is something like that, i'm doubting we even have a real cop in this game.

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i have to be awake in like 5 hours then i'm somewhat busy, but i'll look at your luna case tomorrow when i have time, DV. i'm prob also gonna start putting together a VCA and stuff. been lazy, and this game is stagnating.

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@DV,

eh, i thought about it a bit and i'm not particularly convinced luna is scum atm. at the very least, i'm not interested in lynching nacho today. who are your current scum reads outside of luna, btw?

i would still prefer a mit lynch, i think.

i'm really tired atm. might comb some isos a bit closer tomorrow when i'm more alert.

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prodge. stuff in a bit.

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this is the gist of what's gone on in the thread so far:

there are some town people and some scum people, and the town people have been trying to figure out the scum people but the scum people have been trying to fool the town people. and this has been going on for around 58 pages now.

what can you discern from this?

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you could always check N's ISO for flips and wagons.

1331

only claim that's changed since then is DV gets "X" or "not X" on players, but we don't know whether X is significant in any way (it probably isn't). he knows BB and Mitillos are not X.

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he thinks i'm scum who said i'd consider lynching PV if he claimed roleblocked again, and then i killed him instead of roleblocking him.

i'm pretty sure that's literally the entire reason behind it.

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kmd's iso is cancerous

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read it, and you get eye cancer?

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i'm blind in my left eye and my right eye's vision is heavily impaired now thanks to reading it?

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it took me 3 goes to read it because it made me feel ill?

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i could go into detail and quote bits and pieces but that would technically count as me subjecting you all to cruel and inhumane torture, and i'm too nice a guy to do that to you?

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stop me when you get the picture

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i would rather claw my eyes out with my bare hands than read it again?

ok i'm done now. if you want any more of my opinions, i'm more than happy to help.

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the whole thing.

his reads are shit. his reasoning for those reads is shit. he's coasting on a dumb suspicion of me (it's not even dumb because i'm town, it's dumb because it's just... dumb... there are no better words to describe this). there's nothing that really looks town about his ISO.

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it's somewhat similar to RC's suspicion of BB, now that i think about it.

there's a lot of cancer going around this game. be careful.

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yeah, i must be muddying the waters so that all those people who agree with you stop agreeing with you.

you got me.

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it's hard to discredit such an air-tight, rock-solid case like the one you've presented.

should i just admit you caught me, fair and square? you shining paragon, you.

no

no, that's just wrong

i'm not going to give up now. i'm going to fight your argument, even though i'm not sure i stand a chance of winning against someone as gifted as you obviously are.

here goes.

"your case is shit and illogical, please come back when you start making sense."

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Then why aren't you fucking voting him?

i want a mitillos flip.

1451 - However this part surprises me - "there's nothing that really looks town about his ISO." - when did this shift happen?

i'm confused. that wasn't a shift. i thought nani looked townish, i've liked nothing about kmd's play, though. i was skeptical about whether he'd choose to attack me as scum, but seeing as he's using it as a point to coast on, it wouldn't surprise me.

It shouldn't be such a big deal to you that I'm scumreading you.

i don't really give two shits that you're scumreading me. but your reasoning is so extremely flawed that it's not funny, and you're using this dumb suspicion of me to coast and provide no other content.

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N_gger

noun

Someone who nags.

Mitillos (7) ooba , Rail Tracer , Shadowy Poison , Luna Lovegood , BBmolla , PeaceBringer , DeasVail
Kmd4390 (3) Majiffy , Mitillos , Dante
PeaceBringer (2) Varsoon
Rail Tracer (1) Kmd4390
BBmolla (1) RadiantCowbells
Luna Lovegood (0)
Dante (0)
DeasVail (0)
Shadowy Poison (0)
ooba (0)
Varsoon (0)
RadiantCowbells (0)
Majiffy (0)

(expired on 2013-10-22 02:25:12)

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Rail, you want a Mit flip. Why? Do you think he's scum?

no, obviously i think he's town. but you're the only one that's figured out i'm scum, so keep quiet about this, ok?

Also I don't see what's wrong with my suspicion on you.

because your reasoning is horrible. literally horrible. every single part of it is either wrong or makes no sense. the only part you got right is that PV was a claimed PR.

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hmm

Unvote
Vote: kmd

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i really wanted a mass claim earlier in this day because i have a suspicion that varsoon's slot could be scum and alllllllllllllllllll the town PRs are either useless or negative utility in some way. the normaliser being no exception because i expect scum roles can also be "normalised" and it's vague whether or not normalising would actually do anything to a lot of roles, and what it would even do.

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Good Sir Lurkers,

We have approximately 18 hours until our gracious moderator's deadline is upon us.

Please stop being Shit McFucks.

Yours Faithfully,
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in the (perhaps unlikely?) event i die tonight, please consider a mass claim tomorrow. i stand by thinking it should have happened today, but it didn't so whatever.

DV can you check whether luna is X, tonight? or not, whatever, but it'd be interesting to know if it's possible for you to get conflicting results and luna seems like an OK choice here.

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i believe that was the hammer

and that post was horrible

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that's an aspect of my town game, fyi. i'm less confrontational as scum.

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then you haven't been paying attention to me in my town games, or you haven't seen how i've reacted to a similar situation. you've also seen me play scum on at least one occasion (and two if you actually followed death's diner after you died) so you should know that, at the very least, i don't play like this as scum. i'm also interested in which "few other games" you've seen me play as town because i only have like 4 completed games since i started playing again and 3 of them i was scum in.

all that aside, your hammer post was bad because i don't think you actually have a good reason for suspecting there's scum in {RT, BB, peace}, let alone a good reason to "focus" on those names, or even assume you're going to be alive tomorrow (and i know you think assuming you're going to be alive tomorrow is a scummy thing to do).

plus voting for someone your scum suspects are voting just to see a flip is meh. sort of understandable given the deadline, but still meh.

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that's impressive. i've been doin' work dis game. i'm on every wagon that isn't peacebringer.

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i don't believe that claim, but in the event it's actually true, you're a total moron.

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independent of your flip

Katsuki ( 7 ) DeasVail , PeaceBringer , Rail Tracer , ooba , SleepyKrew , BBmolla

this wagon is only interesting because it means i'm probably super wrong somewhere in my reads.

i've been thinking i could actually be wrong about ooba. but this is mostly gut and he looks kinda town so i don't think i am.

maybe peacebringer is scum. but it seems kind of weird that he publicly claimed that role as scum when he coulda kept quiet about it.

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Daytalk Enabler

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i actually wanted to do a VCA earlier this day phase but i got busy IRL and generally felt lazy towards this game.

but yeah, whatever, i need to do an overhaul of my reads this game, assuming the very likely scenario that i'm still alive tomorrow.

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i don't think he claimed for a reason

i remember him mentioning something after i brought up the possibility that all town PRs could be negative utility, and that this may have had something to do with it, but it as largely unprompted.

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o right

yeah i dunno where i've gone wrong in my reads, but i've gone wrong somewhere and i need to reassess

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er

i just realised something

@BB, RC, claim your full actual role names plx

i know bb claimed "Naive Cop Neighbour" but i just want to verify that's what it is exactly.

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i'm thinking one-word role name is either weird for being unique, or it could have intentionally left out a word. e.g. "Naughty Networker" "Nasty Networker" etc etc

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mass claim tomorrow, no fucking questions about it.

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hey varsoon

what's your role name

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Lunch break. Phone post. Nice etc

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Lunch break. Phone post. Nice etc

Nice etc?

i dunno

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some n_gger trolled me

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This game is going poorly. If Nach was town I feel like he'd have "WHELP let's stop fucking around, here's the deal"'d by now.

maybe.

i will do some reading and put together a proper VCA in the next 48ish hours.

i've been neglecting this game pretty badly.

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btw mass claim today? mass claim sounds good

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VOTE: Bbmolla

Get your asses off luna and lets lynch scum,

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this is fun

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N2 we were on Luna but got blocked by someone who sent us a message asking if we are naughty or nice--if we are naughty we couldn't be friends, but if we are nice we could potentially block the NK

were you nagged all night when this happened?

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if nacho doesn't claim something super-cool here i'm going to assume scum targeted me

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OK, i got a similar message last night then, except it asked me to use the word nice in my first post today.

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nothing notable.

if it weren't currently odd numbers, i'd probably want to force ooba to test that claim.

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ok. while i thought the nagger was a scum role anyway, this pretty much confirms it, which means either one of the VTs is lying, or scum got inventive with their fake-claims this game.

the latter is probably true regardless, though.

compiling the claims in one post...

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Networker (

daytalk enabler

) - peacebringer
Nymphomaniac Nurse (

???

) - mitillos
Naive Non-Com Neighbor (naive cop) - bbmolla
Nutty Non-Com Neighbor (paranoid cop neighbor) - RC
Nanny (the babysitter) - SP
Non-Necessary Negligent-er (conditional action delayer) - majiffy
Non-existent Narrator (tree stump) - ooba
Nauseating Numerically-blessed Nominator (hated double-voter) - varsoon
Narcoleptic Nightkiller (

???

) - luna

Nothing Notable - dante, RT



i thought we had more claimed VTs but it's apparently only dante and i.

italicised peacebringer's bracket claim because i don't remember him actually claiming it

without looking at any of them closer, i'd say there's a fairly decent chance of scum being in the players that don't have a bracket claim. maybe. i dunno how likely it is that the mod would just neglect to give them bracket claims when even the VTs got them.