Mafia v. Wolves Redux: Finally Over!

[XReyoX]

Vote: XReyoX.

I know him and knowing his luck, he would be a wolf.

Eh? Why do you think being a hairy wolf is lucky? A better chance of winning? or is it that they can sitting behind the screen and laugh at me and other townies fighting against ourselves trying to lynch each other?

Just thought of something. I guess I'll call myself " No Lynch " next time to grant myself the ultimate immunity to the lynch. I could call myself " myself " as well to bound the vote back to anyone who is against me.

Anyway, back to the story.

As Reyo continues his journey down the green, he notices a scent of smell swirlling in the air as the wind blows. Staring back at the unfamiliar faces approaches them, he realizes that the smell is really.... coppery. It's metallic and sour as the air went down his throat. "What could this odour be? ". While he is still wondering, an unpleasent feeling carries up from his toe to his spine. Turning his head around, he catches a glimpse of evil from a hooded villager behind him.

Vote: Raffles

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We can lynch now. 11 votes reached.
You evil person! Trying to kill me on day 1 in my first game ?
Perhap you should die so that you can concentrate on your other games. Wasn't you complaining that you've got too many games to handle atm?
I'll give you some help then.

[XReyoX]

Hey hey hey, I wasn't the one who had the ultimate sneak attack that can kill deity in one hit...

What does D&D has to do with this game? I had the insane 100D6 Attack so? You point being.....

Precisely. Exactly the sort of thing you would do. For all I can speculate you've hacked yourself into the mod's computer and sent out all the PMs for your advantage. And on top of that, you've somehow hacked into the Mod's brains and given yourself lynch -99999 so you can't lose. After having done all that, you've laughed manically at your computer screen like I've known you to do.

Yea, sure! I'm Yuri from red alert. So don't pick up the phone next time when I call you or you'll be mind-controlled and vote to lynch yourself. ... Wait actually, I'll tell you to lynch your scum-mate and NK yourself. By the way has anyone played the new command and conquer 3 demo. The graphics are

really

good.

Hang on, when have I laughed maniacly at my screen !? Delusions and hallucinations are one of the positive symptoms of schizophrenia. Are you sure you don't need some medical advice?

He is willing to finish me off already! A

blatant

scum-tell.

!? Who started this off? originally, I wanted to beginning the game peacefully, random voting at the beginning, get people talking, find the scum, lynch them and win the game. But no! you started off by voting to lynch me, based on something called "luck". Is it because you couldn't beat me in D&D nor BM98 nor warcraft, you tricked me into playing the first game here with you so you can cast doom over my head and lynch me, to relief yourself? And in the second post, you are saying i'm

blatantly

a scum already.

Didn't you see we are not actually random voting?

#6

Mr. Flay

voted remussaidow
#12

IH

voted

Mr. Flay

#13

bird1111

voted

IH

#15 Kison voted

bird1111

Spot the trend? There's something called follow the flow ~

Reyo turns his head back and realizes that people are not dead silent now. Everyone has begun talking. "Oh. They are trying to vote and lynch the person in front of them!" " Is this some kind of game?"

Unvote

Vote : Kison

And raffles, no you noob, don't post behind and say now I vote XReyoX because I'm just after him.

[XReyoX]

Whats wrong with this world. Everyone is launching their nuclear weapon at me

[XReyoX]

I'll seek vengeance

[XReyoX]

I'll seek vengeance

Does this mean you admit to being a scum?

Spot on! I'll come down and Kill you physically tonight.

[XReyoX]

Where is everyone? Not even half of us have posted.

[XReyoX]

Spot on! I'll come down and Kill you physically tonight.

Blasphemy!

Unvote, Vote : XReyoX

Thx. Do you like cookies?

[XReyoX]

Speaking about avatars, I find the expression of, Kison's, your avatar a bit irritating.

Re: wizardcat, whats wrong with a dog avatar? I used to use my dog as my avatar as well before.



I'm really missing her. Won't see her till this summer

[XReyoX]

Spot on! I'll come down and Kill you physically tonight.

There it is ladies and gents! We have a confession!

Leo, seriously, don't get killed today. I brought you here because I wanted to play with you. I don't want you dead on first day.

Just in case there's a mass wagon while I'm asleep...

Unvote

Thx. I actually still have no idea who is a scum.

Unvote : Kison

[XReyoX]

vote:Reyox

I'm pretty sure you'll be fine Raffles. Doubt there'll be a lynch with 21 playing over night.

I'm feeling a nice wagon on Reyox btw.

Sigh, so you feeling like being one of the people who pile up on me? IS there any reason for that?

[XReyoX]

Killing me just for the sake of speeding up the game? I thought it would be beneficial to the town if the game goes longer.

But anyway, I'm not surprising that everyone is jumping on me since I'm doing the Mr. frequent Poster here now ( having 7.97 times more than what an average person in here would post).

[XReyoX]

I thought that people are more keen on finding the scum rather than piling on the person who make the most post... Most of us still haven't post yet. I'm just a bit sad that you jump on me without saying why. you'll find a reason easily because I've got so many post aggressive post anyway or by agreeing any one of them who is voting me, so dun bother.

Well. I'm off to bed.

*PICK ME! PICK ME! * In theory, I should have got 8 votes by now for posting so much ( if posting have a positive linear correlation with the number of votes). I won't be online that often after tommorrow but I'll try to log in at least once per day. No only people, I've got stacks of work piling up on me as well.

[XReyoX]

Hello, I'm still alive, I was just woken up by your racket. What the hell are you crazy people doing? It's only...*checks watch* 10:00! I usually sleep till 12! =D!

OK, serious. XReyoX is doing the...*Kill me please, I'm a dead man. NOW KILL ME!*
So...Let's kill him! *cheers*

Vote: XReyoX

Fun isn't it? Now that I've got 4 votes, I could be dead before every single one of us speak ( 9 ppl remaining)

Wagoning is funner than policies = )

And I dun quite get why is wagoning so fun. I only thing I know is you messing my brain up just for the hack of it.

[XReyoX]

I wanna roleclaim to see what's going to happen.
The game is heading nowhere. I'm bored

[XReyoX]

If you claim, chances are no one is going to believe you.

Eh?

[XReyoX]

Why?

It doesn't matter whether people believe me or not. I just want to spam the board and get people to respond. I've never found a forum where people actually read every single word I write and think about what I'm hinting.
My role is a noob

[XReyoX]

I kind of notice that everyone is still in the random voting stage

[XReyoX]

Vote: XReyoX

I'm already playing the game, and you are already obvious scum.

Hi PBuG. I wanna hear your thoughts on my post. Want is making you think I'm a scum? or are you just playing along? ( just curious )

[XReyoX]

What is BattleMage logic?

[XReyoX]

Vote: XReyoX

I'm already playing the game, and you are already obvious scum.

Hi PBuG. I wanna hear your thoughts on my post. Want is making you think I'm a scum? or are you just playing along? ( just curious )

Your general attitude towards the game so far is sending red flags through my head. I do believe I'm the only one voting you who actually has reasoning worth considering, though.

Does it really hurt telling me the reason? As long as its good, I think everyone would care to listen honestly. I don't like being shot in the leg with someone saying they've got a good reason but not telling me why.

Seriously, at least give me a clue. I would be satisfied even if it's like al4xz's and IH's " Let's get on board of the wagon " reason

Hello, I'm still alive, I was just woken up by your racket. What the hell are you crazy people doing? It's only...*checks watch* 10:00! I usually sleep till 12! =D!

OK, serious. XReyoX is doing the...*Kill me please, I'm a dead man. NOW KILL ME!*
So...Let's kill him! *cheers*

Vote: XReyoX

Dude, it's a

bandwagon

. Why

wouldn't

I wanna be on it?

No Reyo, you need to read past games if you don't get it. = ( Seriously, we're not piling on and lynching someone for posting the most, it's not even that large of a bandwagon.

Yea, IH. I'm always famous for overreacting against pointless stuffs. you'll understand that if you know me in real life. That's why raffles was having so much fun yesterday i think.

[XReyoX]

EBWOP

Reyo, I just gave you my reasoning. Learn to read plzkthx.

No you haven't, you're just avoiding the question.

Vote: PBuG

Raffles got the vote for me.

PBuG, I guessed either you've posted your reason in another forum or maybe I'm blind. you didn't make it obvious for me to see where it is. sorry.

[XReyoX]

Raffles. you said that the attitude of the pros in this game isn't like "Die you noob"

But what I'm feeling right now is that either people saying I'm a scum because an average townie wouldn't act like this and build a wagon on top of me, or kind of defend for me but hammering "BIG NOOB" in front of my forehand like fuldu..

And by the end of the gmae. I would be labelled being a scum or a NOOB townie only

[XReyoX]

we're not being all die you noob.

I think that some of them are saying die you scum.

That is even worse.

[XReyoX]

Ya, well.. If they're right, they'll still be classified as pros in my world. But I know the truth. If they really lynch me because of this, then they really are noobs too because they would know , if they are pros, how noobs act in their first game.

[XReyoX]

yup. you need to look more closely to my pic to know whether I'm a scum.

[XReyoX]

Vote : Kison

now you've got the wagon. At least of some time

[XReyoX]

Unvote

[XReyoX]

To get your attention

[XReyoX]

Vote: spectrumvoid

refer to post 103 and I'm drunk

[XReyoX]

Unvote, Vote: XReyoX

Refer to post 86

OMG! Why on earth are you voting me again!?

[XReyoX]

Unvote

Vote: Akbar

[XReyoX]

you forgot to unvote

Unvote

Vote : OverTheUnder

[XReyoX]

Wow that was interesting. I get FOS when I tried to explain myself, but when I start acting weird, people start to unsuspect me being a scum ( saying me more as a noob instend).
I'm trying hard to get it going but IH now unvoted me leaving me with 5 votes again. I was intending to use my wagon a tool to see whether the scum would jump on.

...before people will say this doesn't work, I'll admit that I can only make noob tactics like this. and I'm already trying my best.

I've sent the vote count to the mod when I posted #109.

Battlemage: I personally do not like Kison because he has been saying every post I made is scummy and that he want to lynch me all the time. But maybe he just want the game to get going earlier instead of staying in the random voting stage.

As for his post 107 "May we please rid ourselves of this nuisance? "
Without him, OTU might not have voted. I have a feeling that OTU's a fish lurking in the sea, waiting for an opportunity to hop in for a lynch. So OTU is a lil bit suspicious to me.

I'm not FOSing Kison but I do not want to say he's a townie. He's simply someone I don't enjoy playing with, and especially his avatar >_< which counts a lot to me.

IH: Like you new avatar

Akbar: Yes I'm using the noob token. so now that I've got everyone knowing that I'm really a noob. I just hope that I don't get lynch early or NK early since I should be a threat more potent than an experience player ( as a townie or a scum ), I hope.

[XReyoX]

Dammit IH, couldn't you wait until we fished a lot more scum?

Unvote, Vote: OverTheUnder

LOL. you know me too well and knew I was going to build myself up with some votes right?

Thx for the initial vote. But I still don't forgive what you've done to me at the beginning of the game. Sooner or later I'll find out whether you are a scum as well.

[XReyoX]

I voted Reyo for his confusion tactics, vote hopping, and just trying in general to confuse us. It's not because he's a nuisance more that he's trying to get us all mixed up. Care to explain for the vote hopping/trying to confuse us Reyo?

Unvote

. I can't help it.

[XReyoX]

might as well use it to my advantage

[XReyoX]

Not only do his actions not benefit the town, but they are legit scum tells.

Legit scum tells? So you're sure that I'm a scum then. if you want to trade your life with mine, I don't mind. I'm a noob anyway and what the town has got is the number. As Battlemage said : "Reyox, if you want to help yourself and the town, please try and make a decent contribution. Even if u get lynched anyway, it will still help the town in the future."

Even if I do die, we have enough people to cast vote to lynch you when my alignment is revealed.

[XReyoX]

And to the other people, if you want to lynch me. Could you please please please x100000 save it for day2. I really don't want to die on a Day1 lynch in my first game.

I would really appreciate it.

[XReyoX]

Typical "you will be sorry when you realize I'm innocent" threat.

No. This is the I'll-die-together-with-you-if-you-wish thread" ( On Day 2)

If you're a scum, it would be beneficial at all cost.

[XReyoX]

Hm... Kison, the way you lay your votes are a bit strange to me..

At first you vote me saying you've got legit reasons which include I'm trying to do trend thing, for scummy logic, and pretend to be innocent..etc..

1) I used random.org

2) Although unusual, how does the "trend" look scummy?

3)

FoS : XReyoX

for BattleMage logic.

Typical "you will be sorry when you realize I'm innocent" threat.

But now you've moved your vote onto raffles where the reason is:

What do I need to drive a point home? A sledgehammer?

Whether you believe it or not, I did it with full intention of catching a scum.

End of story.

Ok, so you can just say "end of story" and expect that everyone takes your word for it and moves on?

Horrible rebuttal.

Unvote

Vote : Raffles

Comparing the two, there is more sense to stick with your original vote rather than moving it onto raffles. You really should put your vote on sumeone you think is making the most serious scumtells and not who make the newest scumtell.

The second point is that there isn't any point pushing raffles for making more explanation of his vote or challenge the post he made about L-6 and the halfway line. If he's a town, the explanation is enough and he don't need to make something up although I feel that he's trying to credit himself for the trap while I deserve the full credit more than he does ( pwn you raffles)

Also, as for the timing of your vote: You were constantly bashing me for being a scum since the very start of the game. After "the trap" thing, the tide clearly shifted its side on OTU and people were starting to unvote me. You gave me a feeling that since I no long have the wagon, you were trying to divert the attention onto someone else since you made the initial "get rid of Reyo cos he's annoying" post which is going to draw more and more attention.

In addition, i believe that raffles dun have to give an explaination to his vote in the first place, or neither does he have to risk his life to vote for me at the beginning because that would certainly result in some questioning from other ppl. Everyone understand that giving me another vote based on previous reasons would not result me in a lynch since at least 2 ppl ( IH and Al4xz) were on me just for the sake of wagoning and they have more than enough reason to unvote before I reach 11 votes.

Re: Akbar. What remu was trying he thinks raffles is swaying us to believe he voted me for setting up a trap not for wagoning.

In my point of view, the wagoning will not work in the first place. therefore i dun see the point of arguing.


Remu: if raffles is not going to give another reason, then you won't get another one even if you bash him 100 times. Do you what him to hand-make one just for you?

Raffles: I have a feeling that you are making up reasons for the vote. you have been avoiding using numbers or statistical method to analysis stuffs whenever we have an argument ( in real life). The pushing above the halfway line sounds ridiculous to me. If you said you voted me because you wanna see me getting paranoid again as in the beginning of the game, I would be more convinced.

I guess we should concentrate more on OTU at the moment before the attention get carried away. I'll see what he have to say

[XReyoX]

Ar... sorry for the bad english in my last post...

Vote : Battlemage

..
.. sorry about that as well.. I'll unvote in my next post when there's a chance.

[XReyoX]

I'm not sure wether you people realize it or not, but spectrumvoid has not been here since the start of the game.

Mod, prod spectrumvoid please

He has been around the forum and has made 53 posts in total over these few days in other threads. Maybe he's forgotton he's in this game as well.

Unvote

[XReyoX]

Btw, I would like to ask how do you guys define a lurker?

If someone has logged in for 3 consecutives days but not post anything when the game obviously at a serious stage like now, is he a lurker?

what is the time length are we expecting. 3 days? 5 days? a week or longer?

[XReyoX]

I'm not trying to say that SV is lurking. I think it's more likely that he didn't know the game has started. I'm more concerned about other people who clearly showed activities in the forum but didn't post in this game. Since the game has kicked off, it deserves more attention. We need everyones opinion to get the game on the track.

[XReyoX]

There is nothing either good or bad
but thinking makes it so.

~ William Shakespeare

[XReyoX]

Ar.... I understand most of your points now. Just a few things.

Wrong. I never called you a scum. I said you've been giving off scum-tells. There's a huge difference.

What is the difference. I see them as exactly the same.

First of all, I never said "get rid of reyo

because he's annoying

", so this is entirely incorrect. Go back and read what I actually said.

you said " May us

rid

ourselves of this

nuisance

" I think the

nuisance

= me. and

rid

= lynch . I can't think of any other way to get rid of someone other than killing him. so i'm still a lil confused.

Secondly, were I really going for a bandwagon, I would have hopped on OTU's. However, I am weighing Raffles' and OTU's poor reasoning for voting, and I have to say that I find Raffles' response to dislike of his vote to be scummier than OTU's.

I was thinking about this while writing my post but i forgot to mention it when i was working through it. I was also trying to say you were diverting the attention to somewhere else and was avoiding to comment on OTU's vote.

[XReyoX]

No you are very unlike to be his scum buddy cos you both agreed at the same idea in 2 consecutive post. Therefore if someone is suspecting OTU, they will pay more attention to you as well.

You might have a scum-detecting device sticking out of your head but we are not mind readers, so things that are obvious to you might not be obvious to other people, especially me.

[XReyoX]

Yes it is. I never said to rid of him because he is a nuisance. I simply said he was one. My reasons for voting for him were already stated prior to that post.

OMG! I understand now!!

So you meant.

A) Let us get rid of Reyo.. because bla bla bla... for all the reasons you've given before.

B) Btw, I think Reyo is a nuisance.

And those two sentence are completely non-related. am I right?

[XReyoX]

Fair enough. But you should admit that your post was utterly misleading.

Now let's wait for
1) raffles explanation to his ridiculous L-6 plan and how did he really think it would work out. ( the halfway line thingy still make me laugh every time I read it).

2) OTU's explanation for his vote.

Yes, Reyo that's quite annoying to vote hope and just say random crap it gets the game nowhere. I have to agree with Kison let's get ourselves rid of the nuisance.

Vote Reyo

you basicly said i'm a nuisance and lets get rid of me because of this.

I voted Reyo for his confusion tactics, vote hopping, and just trying in general to confuse us.

It's not because he's a nuisance

more that he's trying to get us all mixed up.

then after that you said its not because i'm a nuisance.

[XReyoX]

Yes,

Reyo that's quite annoying

to vote hope and just say random crap it gets the game nowhere. I have to agree with Kison let's get ourselves rid of the nuisance.

Vote Reyo

Sorry, forgotton to quote the word "annoying" in my last post.

To me, being annoying = a nuisance.

[XReyoX]

OTU's and raffles reasoning is far too above my brain capacity to analysis. Kison's thinking took him 3 posts to reach me already and I feel otus and raffles reason will requirement then 30 posts to get across for me.

I'll leave other people to think about them . >_<. I'll keep my vote until something significant will happen.

[XReyoX]

Raffles is a better candidate simply because he's more experienced and therefore would act more like scum in a traditional sense, wheras in your case, I have to factor in the fact that you're a new player and probably don't know how to act in whatever role you may be placed in.

I'm not sure why do you think that raffle, being more experienced, would act more like scum. I thought being a noobie scum would act more scummy than an experienced scum.

That's a most

ridiculous

assumption. Sure, I was/am in 5 games, but my cumulutive day count amounts to the grand total of

2days

. How the heck would I know how to act a scum "traditionally", assuming there is such a thing.

He think you assume he is much more experienced than I do.

[XReyoX]

I agree with Mr. Flay that the assumption is really bad. It doesn't have to be equal. There could also be a scum which can recuit other people to become scum ( i can't remember what it's called). there can also be scum-cops on one team ( if there are 2). Then the number doesn't have to be equal

[XReyoX]

but i would say the number should be around 4-6. that sounds reasonable doesn't it?

[XReyoX]

Mod : May we have a post count please.

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[XReyoX]

PBuG. This is when you were voting on me

Vote: XReyoX

I'm already playing the game, and you are already obvious scum.

Your general attitude towards the game so far is sending red flags through my head.

Reyo, I just gave you my reasoning. Learn to read plzkthx.

This is when you were voting on Raffles

Unvote, Vote Raffles

You don't use logical arguments. No, you don't need a sledgehammer to drive a point home, you need a point.

As in, make a point instead of saying "End of story. End of story. End of story." as if it is a valuable point that you are trying to make that you are right whether we think so or not. I used logic, but nobody seems to notice nowadays.

PBuG I'm worrying the way you cast your votes and the reason you give. Each time, you give unspecific reason which can be used almost in any scenario, like you are acting scummy, your argument makes no sense to me...etc.

When i ask for more clarity, you just say. I have given one, you just cant see.
and now, you vote raffle for lack of explanation to his vote.

I can't see your logic as well. The only thing I see is that you always put your vote when someone is starting a wagon.

I think you should perhap explain your reasoning in more details. Just by saying you have bad attitude, you have no logic and prevent people from finding a way to response to your post doesn't make you win the argument.

[XReyoX]

XReyoX, your stream of consciousness style of posting is producing so much scummy material that I'm really starting to wonder if you're doing it intentionally. Please, please, please try to think before you post in the future.

I'm sorry. How is posting in a style like this make someone scummy, I don't get it? Will a scum acheive anything by doing so?

[XReyoX]

The style isn't what's scummy. The style is just annoying. It's that the style is producing a decent amount of content that is scummy. For example, the two posts I quoted in the previous post were separated by about seven hours and offer two diametrically opposed views of Raffles' 'trap'. That's scummy behavior, in that it gives the impression of someone who doesn't really care about who's scum, but only about pushing along a bandwagon or sowing discord, however they think they can at the time.

Ar.. sorry if that annoys you. I think I should explain the change of my view. At first, I'm not interested in raffles trap and why he has voted. I was more focused on OTU's vote at that time. So I was trying to tell Kison and remu that it's not necessary to interrogate raffles since I dun think he will get anything out of it nor will it bring the game onto another state.

However, numerous threads follows, and somehow more and more people ( inc. scarecrow who voted in between my 2 posts) are interested in "The Raffles Trap". Therefore, I, at the moment, think that the trap deserve more explanation. If so many people wants to hear about it, there must be a reason, maybe someone has spotted something odd that I haven't noticed. The L-6 cropped up in my head a few more times again. I still think its unecessary for an explanation but people won't end this unless he do so.

[XReyoX]

It confuses us that's why it's scummy in my opinion but like I said

I don't know if that's your newb-ishness showing or your intent

. But it seems to be mostly newbishness so Unvote.

Does this mean that :

1) you don't know wether i did it on purpose or i am just a noob

2) now you think i did it cos I'm a noob

I wanna say that if you didn't notice I'm a noob who always make noobish thread by the time I started hopping around, regardless of what I've been hammering into everyone's mind for many pages, then you probably have

very

bad judgment.

Also, what is making you think I "might not" be a noob before you voted but is making you think I'm a noob now? I dun think the post I'm making after you have voted are more noobish than the ones before.

Last but not least, are you trying to shift our attention to BM by starting calling him a lurker?

FOS : The fish

[XReyoX]

Mod

: could you

prod Spectrumvoid

please.

[XReyoX]

Is there a page where I can find all the abbreviations used in this game?

[XReyoX]

I agree with Mr. Flay that witholding thoughts would not be beneficial to the town unless it's really an ultimate plan, not the noobie trap we made. Firstly, it prevents people from telling whether you are town or scum, therefore increasing the chance of being lynch. In addition, it will waste the cop's night action and prevent a doc's protection. If you are not a vanilla, the lost would be even worst and might cost ourselves the game ( knowing the fact that most of us are town).

I also wanna say that (since the trap didn't quite work out now i think) my whole plan was to bombard someone who jumped on my wagon at the wrong time (OTU in this case), and hopefully someone will begin wagoning him. I'm not sure whether OTU voted me really because of the reason he gave but it's so damn obvious that voting someone because someone is annoying regardless of wether he's a scum will draw traumendous attention. knowing that i think a scum would never do it ( if i am one, that would be a trap I would have no chance of falling in). therefore, OTU building a wagon upon himself would allow other people from the town to speculate the people who is entering his wagon.
If things work out as i have wished, people who voted OTU, I believe, would have a higher chance of being scum. This is because the game has run for 8 or so pages at the time ( i can't remember exactly) and i think the scum might be eager to make a kill soon, knowing that the longer the game goes, the less likely the scums are going to win.

But sadly, the think all of this didn't work out cos most people just FOS him or something. I guess I won't try to make any scum-hunting strategies for a while now.

the whole of this post is purely for the people who might be interested in what i would have done if did work out. I guess the timing was wrong or the whole idea was rubbish ( but I'm trying to convince myself that it is just about the timing atm, i have actually put in great hope for it to work when i came up with it)

[XReyoX]

I agree with Mr. Flay that witholding thoughts would not be beneficial to the town unless it's really an ultimate plan, not the noobie trap

we

made.

Emphasis mine

How was this a "we" plan? There are very few circumstances in which the two of you ought to have been collaborating, most of them bad.

Ah... maybe I've been writing to many journals and lab reports in the past years. Any plans, approach to work out something, methods or experiments always have to be written as "we did xxxx", "we planned to do xxxxxx"

My english is generally bad as well = =||| its my third, if not the forth, language.

I also consider that Kison and raffles have helped to push the wagon for it to work. Thats why I've used "we".

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You're trying to hide your answer. It could be this, or it could be this, but I actually decided to do it because of this.

Its all of the factors put together, not one or the other.

Assuming that wasn't a scummy "we," I hope you two being RL friends wouldn't be talking outside the thread. That would be very unsportmanlike.

Unless you consider telling each other to respond to posts, we didn't talk about any other things thats related to the game.

Raffles and I have talk about the mechanics of the game in general but not anything specific about anygame I'm playing in, is that not allowed? I'm sorry if its against the rule.

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Actually, I realize that even without speaking to him, I'd know exactly when he's free and when he's online, therefore knowing when he should be posting. So being a lurker would almost be impossible. Knowing that a certain level of lurking is almost vital for a scum to place his vote or to post and mislead the town AT THE RIGHT TIMING. I would say being a RL friend with him would probably make his play much harder if he's a scum.

This is generally shifting the balance of the game.
I would like to see what the mod decides and what all other players think.
Before that I would not post ( as a game player) and if neccessary I would opt out if everyone think this is unfair since it is clearly giving an advantage to the town.
I would like to apologize for all this.

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1st you pointed out how OTU jumping on the wagon was the likely “scum entry point.” This pointed to OTU. Now you’re saying that OTU’s maneuver was too scummy to be scummy, thus making the people wagoning him the opportunists. If the wagons are filled with opportunists, why bother splitting up the votes between him and raffles? Why not pile on 1 wagon?

That's why I dun know what's going wrong. maybe i'm trying too hard to think about about the issue. i'm not suspecting of anyone right now cos the plan didnt work out.

umm...

Everything I can say has already been said. Including the point I find most interesting, in that why the many possible reasons for the "we" from reyo?

That gets a serious, serious FoS.

Please reconsider your FOS. The reasons i gave are really what I think which made me use the "we" at the time i was typing. I dun analysis my own post 15million time to make sure its not scummy viewing in every single direction.

I hope that you would believe them or not believe them completely. If you are thinking that I'm making the reasons up and they are invalid, you are assumming that I've got a "we" plan and I've been planning on sumthing with someone outside the game. Then that would mean that I'm not adhering to the game rule ( either as a scum/ a town) (my role doesn't allow me to talk with someone in the day time). Therefore, i think you either pm the mod to find a solution to this if you dun believe in the reasons i gave, or treat it as I've used the word 'I" if you believe in them. FOSing me means you think i has been violating the game rules.

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my role does allow me to talk

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typo

*

doesn't

just woke up from my nap

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Hold on people!!! Please do NOT give away your role to the scum! Please think about what the scums know that we do not know!!! Think twice before you post.
If you don't understand, view the past 10 posts in the way the scum would.
I'm very very sorry for what I've mistype my sentences and raise this discussion.
The way this discussion is leading to is causing harm to the town side.

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They can learn more than that.

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@BM: if you are a town, I would like to bash you with a frying pan for stupidity.

I'll promise to tell you all what I've got in my mind when this game ends. I guess this would be the best for now.

Thx MoS for post263, I was literally staring at BM's post for an hour thinking whether I should reveal my thoughts. but then i realize if i do so, my thinking would only favor the scums. for the town down, it would do nothing good but only to feed their curiosity.

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after your play this game, i think the frying pan should be wielded by me.

Because you are not stupid, or you are not town or you wanna bash yourself with it

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Does anyone know the crude format of this game? I've read from the flash tutorial that the werewolf variant have roles called the angel and the seer. I'm wondering if this game is something like this.

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Are we allowed to do bah post in this game?

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Too bad. I just came up with an ultimate "BAH" post strategy.

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The point is OTU doesn't come online that often. Its hard to know whether he is lurking.

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Strikes me as scummy. Way to aggresive.

Vote OverTheUnder

Anyway, yes, I guess your points are valid. I didn't contribute much, but I didn't have anything to contribute either, which is why I didn't contribute. Sounds stupid to post saying I'm not lurking, I just don't got anything to say.

What do you mean by dun have anything to contribute? At least you can do a town/scum list with your reason.

"don't got anything to say" isn't an excuse. when someone have said someone. Say whether you agree/disagree with their arguements.

if you aren't going to say anything, why play the game?

FOS: al4xz

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@al4xz:by the way, can't you at least wait for him to post his thoughts before your vote?
you have put him on L-2 you know?

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@OTU : 1. your vote got my attention but I didn't vote for you cos i dun think you're a scum (yet).
2. is remu neutral or pro-town o_0?

@raffles: A bad playstyle?... Those people don't deserve to play till the end of the game.

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Raffle: When there is a deadline and I can't figure out who is a scum, i'd prefer voting for someone with a bad style rather than no-lynch because they would have equal chance of being a scum compare to everyone else but would also cause confusion to the town and give opportunity to the scum to blend in later on in the game.

And above all. They have NO right to yell at everyone saying " this is the way I play and you should get used to different playstyle" while THEY are the ones who really should learn to contribute. This attitude gets me mad.

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Deadline imminent

.

OMG

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I still haven't made up my mind. I need more time T_T. Mod is evil.

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If we don't get 11 votes by the deadline, does it mean it'll be a no-lynch day or the one with most votes will die?

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DrippingGoofball, perhaps you should try to contribute more to the game.

You've only made 4 posts so far.

Getting noob vibes from XReyoX.

I am going to

vote:Kison

and put XreyoX head to head with Kison. Let's see how it goes.

Agreed, let's explore this avenue:

vote: OverTheUnder

I think remussadow is Town re: his comment about silver.

8 people not voting? That's a lot.

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@BM : if they vote twice quickly, then we would be able to work out who are scums easily. For no reasons at all a town would end the day now. The deadline is approaching, but still its not today.

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I think the best place to start re-reading is page 5, where everything started.

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I've re-read the game for three times now but I still can't draw a conclusion on whether OTU is a scum. I want to ask people, especially those who are voting OTU, some questions.

1. Was his vote really opportunistic that no town would ever do it? I was thinking that it might just be a light-hearted vote. we were barely out of the random voting stage at that time. People were just bandwagoning me just for fun. That what I think.

2. The difference between him being a scum and a town is that he would be more resistant to the lynch if he's a scum ( no votes from scumbuddies). So if he's a town, would be be dead by now because the scums could have jumped on.

3. How likely is he a scum? Extremely (>90%), very likely (>70%) ?

I want to hear a confirmation from DrippingGoofball. Everyone else who are on OTU have given their reasons. DGb jumped on every early on in the wagon just for the sake of wagoning. He hasn't actually posted his thoughts on OTU.

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@raffles: i just think that the vote was too opportunistic to be placed by a scum. In general, i think scums would analysis their posts more before posting them. It's true that OTU's posts aren't that useful to the town, but neither do the people who never post. As people who have point out that a scum could have voted at anytime along the wagon, he could have wait till there are some good reasons to join on it rather than using "reyo is a nuisance and is confusing the town".

Comparing my wagon to his atm. Saying his vote is opportunistic would be a safer wagon to join without drawing attention surely.

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1. Yup, it's what I'm thinking about. If I'm a scum, I would have no chance of placing a vote like him. Or would you?

2. I didn't say he's a town because of this. It's just i dun think he will stand out much more than anyone else for being scum ( just a little bit, for the possibility that he is a noob scum)

3. About the wagon. If he is a scum and he knows that none of his scummates were on my wagon, even if everyone votes on me at that time, i would still be at L-3. a distance away from being lynch. What I want to bring out is that more scums are on his wagon now than mine.

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@raffles: If some of his scummates are already on me, his vote won't get the wagon much further at L-6. Not that it couldn't have happened, but just less likely.

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and btw, while the best scumplay would be to act exactly like a town, I think that go scum hunting 24/7 and setting up zillions of traps and plans aren't best play for the scum. Unless the scums thinks that they are far more superior than you or when there is a power role revealed, you are more likely to be NK before day3, because you would be a bigger threat than other towns ( while barely equal chance of having a power role). Therefore, a big threat to the scum who doesn't die after a few days would means a higher chance of being a scum.

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his defence hasn't been full of tremors by that he doesn't seem to be shaking like a leaf with -2 votes on him.

Surely this makes OTU more likely a scum. We could be at a situation where two or more of his scumates are not voting for him. This leaves around 5-6 people who aren't voting be his only threat, assuming that his scumates aren't voting for anyone else atm. Judging that most of the people who hasn't vote are not even active, the chance of him being lynch is greatly reduced.

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Very convincing argument. I'll do look into it tonight. Got a terrible headache atm >_<

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Bad vibes from PBuG. He said "OTU's post is hideously flamingly scummy." when voting for OTU. He said "You're already obvious scum" when he voted for me. Yet he is changing votes so easily( from OTU to remus). He said he would do a detailed post of why he thinks me and raffles are scum but it never appeared. He didn't state which part he is agreeing with theopor_COD. The post theopor_COD made did not provide evidence which say OTU is not a scum, but rather saying that Remus is more likely to be scum than OTU. The words PBuG use in his post sounds like he is very confident that the people he's voting for are scums, but only provide little agrument except quoting people's posts or comments which are no longer than 1 line.

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I don't really see a point in holding these much further. It could be a way PBuG trying to minimize people's interaction with him by just posting only little content. But it can also be his laziness and he couldn't be bothered to put much effort onto expressing his thoughts. But the whole point is that his posts aren't contributing much to the disscussion, therefore not benfitting the town much. Scum or not, my main point is to encourage PBuG to explain his reasoning.

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not to mention the fact that your comments almost sound like

instructions to your buddy

Instructions? Unless you have an IQ of 1000. I guess it would almost be

impossible

to figure out scums who are sending out instructions to each other.

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huh? thats like saying you have to have an IQ of 1000 to work out who got a role pm saying 'Mafia' out of a selection of 12 people. Its not impossible, its just difficult. Nonetheless, the whole point of this game is to try and catch scum. This is what i am doing.

No. I mean it's impossible to tell if a scum is trying to hide an instruction for his buddy to do something.

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1. DrippingGoofball again didn't post any content which would help the town. To be honest, he hasn't done anything FOR the town since the very very beginning of the game. He seems to missed my post commenting on him

2. I think sumone has asked BM why he think raffles is trying to pass info to his scumbuddy and what the info he think raffles is passing on. BM didn't reply to it.

3. PbuG. Another no-reason vote. Together with the reasons why I'm suspecting PbuG. I'm going to vote him if he doesn't do something to convice me why he is town.

4. Mr Flay, what kind of stuffs do scum have to pass to his scummates in general? I'm curious about that. surely they can come up with some sort of codes before the day.

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'Nuf' said.

No enough

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@raffles: well, if you and OTU are scumbuddies, then you two have pretty bad co-ordination. You made the trap, he fall for it and you get revealed to be his scummate? Anyway, at that time, if I were a scum, hopping onto remu, PBuG or kison will be a much safer choice. So even if OTU is a scum, I wouldn't hold it against you, at least not more then people who have unvoted at around the same time. To be honest, if I turn out to be a scum, you would probably be suspected for the numerous posts that i've made that seems to be defending you.

@PbuG. Why are you hopping in and out and in OTU's wagon. Have you made up your mind yet?

I'm not very sure that OTU is a scum still. He hasn't made any post except that opportunistic vote which made me think he is scummy. At the moment, PBuG and remus look more scummy. (reasons stated before).

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Btw, I would like to suggest people who have said that they're going to make some big posts do so before the deadline as well.

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Also, it would be difficult for the pro-town power-role players to decide what to do tonight if you people don't talk much. I don't want doc protections to be wasted on scums or cop investigations to be wasted on the town.

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This is really bad, I have a feeling that a large portion of the people in this game are scums. Maybe there are super power-role townies or maybe some of the scums are in both the mafia AND the wolves groups, therefore allowing more than 2 scum groups in the game.

I mean out of 21 people, not more than 5 people post each day at this time of the game. This could be indicating that the scums are staying quite along with other people, waiting for OTU to get lynch. It's only 2 days until the deadline, therefore the only candidate for the lynch would be OTU. Assuming this, even if he has scummates, they would not try to save him and would stay as quite as the others.

I guess OTU should claim now, if not, the scums might hop in tommorrow or just before the deadline saying we NEED a lynch. We will only learn little from the hammerer in that case.

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Do you remember that persian game on marathon day? It would suck if it were like that.

I'm hoping that this setup is not like the other one. It means that the scums are only going to NK townies instead of the other groups because of the big boss. I believe that the scums had more than 90% win rate in that setup.

Mod: Prod OTU

pls

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Mod

could you

prod OTU

x1000 times until he appears please. and may we have an

extention

pls. Analyzing people's comment after his claim is really important for us ><

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Less than half majority = no lynch.

I guess we need 11 votes

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but we are 21

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= | Skipped a page in reading.

May I ask which page did you skipped?

At the end of page

20

. He was at

10 votes

.
(Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, PBuG, remussaidow, Scarecrow, al4xz, theopor_COD)

If you have only skipped p.20 and have read up to 19.
He was at

8 votes

(Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, remussaidow, PBuG, Scarecrow)

If you have skipped both p. 19 and 20. You would be thinking that he was having

7 votes

(Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, remussaidow, Raffles)

If you have only read up to p. 17 then made your vote. you would be thinking that he has

8 votes

before you voted (Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Kison, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, remussaidow, Raffles)

So. Why were you thinking he had 9 votes?

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the "Uncle" should be someone al4 was expecting. No clue about whether he one who has killed him was the person he wanted to meet tho. I believe that he was targetted for the NK. The chance of both NK failing on the first day is very small.

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@raffles: read the first game. There was a vampire cult.

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it doesn't matter whether a mafia killed a wolf or a wolf killed a mafia. They are the same. If al4 is in a cult. I don't think he is the cult leader. a) he is a "member" b) there was only 1 kill. The situation where both groups failed to kill AND al4 targetted a scum to recruit, resulting in his death, is very slim.

Perhaps he was killed because someone in a scum group thinks that he is a scum in the other group. The title Mafia v wolves probably means that each groups have to eliminate the other as well as the town.

Unless phoebus is very mean and use red text to describe al4's role and put those nasty tools in his home for the sole purpose to misslead the town. I think al4 is a scum/cult member.

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Although OTU has already been banished. I somehow want to hear the reasons why people have voted for him. This includes "Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, remussaidow, PBuG, Scarecrow, al4x, theopor_COD and IH." Some of the people didn't actually give their reasons.

@theopor_COD: You were pointing at remus before the end of D1. Do you not think he is a scum now?

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I'm not sure how you define

Many

. But these are all the reasons I could find. If I've missed any of the, Pls add them back. Just read. If you think OTU was the right one to be lynch, I guess so are many players in this list.

Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, remussaidow, PBuG, Scarecrow, al4x, theopor_COD and IH

IH

#110. You just don't lynch someone for "being a nuisance". Thats a horrible reason/excuse. FOS
#515. Trying to keep a dying wagon alive while staying off of it just in case it does. This is uncommittal scum.(quoting OTU’s reasons for his unvote).

Vote

Fuldu

#124. His behavior does look scummy for all the reasons described.

Vote

MoS

#130. OTU's vote was still way opportunistic.

Vote

#413. it doesn't look like OTU has done anything to convince us that he's not scum.

BM

#145. OTU look alot worse than anyone else.
#202. OTU seems very scummy at the moment.

vote

#207. Not only did u commit the major scumtell of voting me for no reason, you have also been acting very scummy in this game so far.
#439. I also agree that the lack of movement on the OTU wagon is very suspicious.

DGB

#153. let's explore this avenue.

Vote

Theopor_COD

#211. OTU's vote is opportunisitc but again I'd be just as wary as the early ppl on Reyox's early wagon. OTU's assesment on Battle Mage is just as scummy. I don't really like the way OTU has unvoted Reyox and then turned his attention on BM for supposed lurking.
#383. still not sure if OTU's the right lynch, will re-read asap.
#494. I'd guess THIS was a lie? Being as four days have passed since. “THIS = OTU saying -ACK! I had my whole post written up and I closed the window on accident. I'll re-write it in a bit I've gotta go for now.”

vote

Remus

#289. I think that he is the slightly scummier of the two candidates. this vote is very likely to come off though.

vote

#381. I still think OTU is the scummiest, as nothing has swayed my opinions yet with any of the nearly non existant new evidence.
#400. I think that OTU isn't lynched yet because his scum group doesn't want to bus him

Mr Flay

#311. I like this wagon much better than the Raffles one. OTU has contributed very little actual content, while posting enough to stay off the lurker list.

Vote

#398. It's curious to me that OTU has sat so close to lynch for so long.
#488. This is the second time OTU is at lynch-2, I want a claim.

PBuG

#318. That post is hideously flamingly scummy.

Vote

#320. Highlight bits of OUT’s post. Saying” "HAY I'M NOT A HYPOCRITE I'M JUST VOTING SOMEONE FOR DOING WHAT I'M DOING."
#333. OTU, if I wasn't already voting you for a specific reason that you ignored, I would so OMGUS vote you. Especially because you're OMGUS suspecting me right now.
#335 Replace voting with attacking. (for #320) (after OUT pointed that out.)
#351. He didn't readdress my correction (for #335). I'm getting more tired of OTU.
#455. Vote
#509. OTU, general scumminess

Alex

#323. Strikes me as scummy. Way to aggresive.

Vote

Scarecrow

#457.

Vote

( no reasons)

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Mod

: could you pls prod everyone saying that D2 has already started.
If this is not possible, could you at least prod:
spectrumvoid (more than a month of inactivity)
Wizardcat
bird1111
Akbar

Thx

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@Fuldu: I can't remember as well. Could it be something about his comment on the night scene?

@raffles, DGB : To be honest, none of the reasons they have provided look convincing for me to vote. Well that was the reason why i didn't vote him. I have said that his vote on me was too opportunistic. His unvote saying he thinks I'm just being a newb is the reason why I was so unsure about whether he is a scum. Someone has to get lynch in order to yield information to go on today. That is why I was asking about the deadline mechanics. I'm sure some of the people in the list are scums ( this doesn't mean that people not in the list aren't). If all 11 people are townies, then i think the town is hopeless in winning. Therefore, I'm asking whether I've missed something. Some of the reasons are worse than "otu's let's get rid of this nuisance". DGB your "explore this avenue =_=", Fuldu's "scummy for all reasons decscribed", scarecrow's invisible reason...

I can't handle everyone all at the same time. I'll be looking at people who stayed off the wagon as well. I however disagree that some scums stayed off the wagon because they know is a townie wagon. The truth is that they don't. There are 2 groups of scums here. Before otu's death scene, the scums do not know whether he's a town or a scum in the other group. I would say that the reasons to stay off would be 1) they predicted that otu was going to die anyway and it doesn't matter as long as their scummate weren't going to get lynch. 2) some of them hop on and some of them stay off so that, on D2, if someone focus on the people who has hopped on and catches them, as least some of them would be saved by staying off.

@theopor_COD, Fuldu, DGB: Are all your reasons listed in my list. Was those all the reasons that made you think OTU was the right lynch?

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@Fuldu

I believe that the reason is a minor one anyway since no one could remember it.

This it the list of the votes
Raffles #112 [1]
Fuldu #124 [2]
MoS #130 [3]
DGB#153 [4]
BM #202 [5]
Remus #289 [6]
Mr Flay #311 [7]
PBuG #318 [8]
Alex #323 [9]
Alex #369 unvote [8]
---Mod announced that deadline is approaching #377--
Kison #382 [9]
PBuG #419 unvote [8]
Kison #423 unvote [7]
Raffles #448 unvote [6]
PBuG #455 [7]
Scarecrow #457 [8]
Alex #483 [9]
Theopor_COD #494 [10]
IH #515 [11]

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I'm not too concerned about the hammering. After the deadline was released and we know that 6 votes would suffice for lynching otu, Kison's and raffles' unvotes look like otu's death wouldn't be blamed on them if it is a town lynch. The crucial point is that after the unvote, the vote count on otu is still enough for the lynch, thus making sure he would die.

[XReyoX]

XReyoX: You also missed that I asked him to vote for someone, repeatedly, so we could see who he was suspicious of. And he explicitly posted 3 times without claiming, but stalling/"having difficulty".

Combine that with his distancing from al4 today, and I say we've got another ESE member.

from the least, you are the first one to point out that the lack of movement of the wagon is suspicious, and to me was a point worth considering at that time. Together with the increase in your activity and constantly asking otu to contribute makes me think you are less scummy than the others in the list atm. sorry that i've missed that reason.

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Well given either no lynch or OTU, which one would you want? I know which one I would go for.

Getting a town lynch is not always worse than no lynch i think. If we didn't lynch anyone, the doc might not be able to work out what to do last night. Ending up with 2 townie NK with nothing to go on today would be worse than the situation we are at atm.

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@BM: I don't like you saying that I'm being too pro-town for a potential reason for being a scum. I wasn't trying to tell other people that i'm a town because i'm doing all this. Most of your posts haven't contribute to the town in my eyes

:arrow:

BM

#145. OTU look alot worse than anyone else.
#202. OTU seems very scummy at the moment.

vote

#207. Not only did u commit the major scumtell of voting me for no reason, you have also been acting very scummy in this game so far.
#439. I also agree that the lack of movement on the OTU wagon is very suspicious.

This includes " vote raffles because Mr Flay's has put up a strong case"

I do not like you not responding to my post as well. Are those all your reasons for keeping your votes on OTU?

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In OTU's case, he was participating less and less, and even as a town, that's not a huge loss to us in comparison to someone who had been participating more, while the case against him wasn't necessarily weak.

The case against him wasn't strong in my opinion. The problem was that no one appeared incredibly scummy. Something about remus was building up at the end of the day but it was too late. Also, when hundreds of people were focusing on OTU's post, someone would obviously find a scumtell, not to mention that there are also scums making fake reasons and magnifying them. I was expecting OTU to be a vanilla if he is a town. I generally think that power-role people would commit more since the game would be more interesting to them. Now, this has proven that I was wrong.

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No Reyo, I would have chosen to lynch OTU rather than have no lynch. I understand that much.

The point is that he have unvoted.

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* I mean "you have unvoted"

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@IH

I think I didn't say that the lynch wasn't obvious. After knowing about the deadline and only 6 votes were required. I was pretty sure that he would be lynch. no one else had the potential to gain 6 votes in just a few days at that time.

As i've said before, scums don't know whether it is a town lynch. Raffles explanation looks fine to me until he said he would have chosen to lynch him on 569.

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But aren't mislynches a normal occurence? Then why would scum care if they are on the mislynch wagon?

No. Mislynch occurs because scums lie and mislead the town. When mislynch happens, it means that scums have been making fake reasons up and/or joining the wagon using poor reasons.

In a normal game, some scums would stay off the mislynch i think because the ones who was on the wagon would either be a) a scum, b) a townie mislead by the scums, c) a townie with not very good judgement or d) The person being lynch is an idiot who was causing more harm to the town while being a town himself. However, in this game where there are (at least) 2 scum teams. A scum would be trying to catch scums in the other group as well along with the town. Therefore they would be more likely to stay ON the wagon because the person being lynch could be a scum.

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@ Raffles: True. Go check on their wiki and see if they've got a 99% win rate. If they have and was on OTU's wagon. This would be a case against them. LOL

At the moment, a mislynch on D1 doesn't tell much (but should not be ignored). This is the only major thing we can use to go on about at this point. We had little to analyse from yesterday. Thats why scums could deceive the town so easily.

You still havn't answer my #571

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... Maybe the question wasn't clear enough. If you would have chosen to lynch OTU, why did you unvote?

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I don't think ESE is Cult. XreyoX already pointed out if he was cult, both scumgroups would have missed they're turn/been blocked. I can't imagine our blocker(s) getting that lucky.

I wasn't saying that he is not a cult. I just don't think he is a cult AND he died because he was trying to recruit a scum. A scum targetting a cult for NK could be what has happened. The reason why at least one kill is missing can be 1) the scum has targetted a town with bulletproofvest / wolvebane. 2) roleblocked 3)doc protection 4) both targetted alex (this would mean that alex is very likely a cult because his scummate wouldn't target him) 5) scum didn't send in their kill (very unlikely).

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Read his posts in isolation, it's tough to find BM as scum because he always tends to act scummy but his last post makes me think we may have scum BM playing this game.

I'm not sure why he didn't at least claim, however with the deadline I think he was likely to be the only possible lynch and lynching someone gives us more information than a no lynch.

I dislike people who always act scummy no matter what alignmnt them have just to make their scum-life easier. Therefore I would not use this as a reason to let go of someone acting suspiciously.

I was thinking that maybe OTU had a post restriction of some sort which stopped him from posting. It fits quite well with the "retired" role. The search function was down before, so I could find it out. However, the function is now restored and a quick search has shown that his last post in the forum is on April3, meaning that he was lurking or decided not to claim. It is simply that he didn't know we were asking him to claim after his last post.

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...meaning that he

was

lurking or decided not to claim. It is simply that he didn't know we were asking him to claim after his last post.

*wasn't

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This is a theme game. Weird things could happen.

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Remus strikes scummy to me after reading akbar's analysis. This is my conclusion from the re-read of his posts

#126:

Otu [vote:2], Kison[3] , and Reyo[3] looks the most suspicious to me, but no one stands out as needing an additional vote... yet.

He gave me an impression that his vote is dependent on the the size of the wagon, not only who he thinks is scummy. somehow sounds like he was waiting for one of the wagon to build up so that he could join.
#201 :

Raffles, Kison, OtU, and reyo all seem to just be convienent targets right now.

Thinking in the way of a scum again.
#245 : FOS me for the use of "we". Later saying that I could be a mason as the reason for FOS.
I agree with MoS #258:

you(Remus) brought up that you think he(me) might be a mason, which is information that should NOT be speculated on publicly if you're protown.

#273 : posted some random crap, haven't mention anything about the issue anymore.
#289 :

vote: OtU because I think that he is the slightly scummier of the two candidates. this vote is very likely to come off though.

I agree with Akbar that the "likely to come off" thing doesn't look town. No reasons were given for the vote as well.
#381 :

I still think OTU is the scummiest.

Reinforce his vote. no further reasons given.
#400:

I think that OTU isn't lynched yet because his scum group doesn't want to bus him.

Copied Mr Flay's reason as his own.

Voting pattern: see theopor_COD's #417. I still agree with him.

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#403 I asked, "3. How likely is OTU a scum? "
#404 raffles answered, "3. I would say much more likely than others, maybe a nudge below 70. "
#460 OTU said he was very busy, post coming soon.
#467 OTU said he closed his window accidentally, and was gonna re-write. (Last OTU post)
#448 raffles unvoted.

How did 2 "I can't post" post made him less scummy (actually more likely to be town) to you?

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@BM: 1)you obviously didn't read the original deathscene. The sane-insane thingy wasn't there originally. Oh c'mon. rope and knife as sex tools for an insane cop called erotic secual enterprise written in red text? I guess you are the one who is insane. (Or the mod is if this is true). I've said that whether alex is a wolf/scum doesn't matter. He is still a scum in one of the groups.

quote BM "do you have ANY other reason to think i am scummy?"

2) Yes. your opportunistic vote on OTU which didn't provide any useful reasons.

3) Stop quoting a large chunk of text.

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All these gives me a bad gut feeling that OTU is a townie about to be lynched.

If you so think he is a town, why didn't you said so. Why didn't you try to convince people that he is a town? Why is he setting so close to the town means that he doesn't worth to be lynched?

Well given either no lynch or OTU, which one would you want? I know which one I would go for.

You unvoted. That means you went for the no lynch.

No Reyo, I would have chosen to lynch OTU rather than have no lynch. I understand that much.

Then you said lynching OTU is better than no lynch. and you would have chosen to do so.

So what did you want? Lynch? No lynch? OTU was town? OTU was scum? It doesn't make sense to me.

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He was teeteering on lynch -2/1 for a very long time.
----> A sign that he was not worth the lynch?
----------> If he is not worth the lynch, why do I still have my vote on him?

You said he isn't worth the lynch there. But now you say he is worth to be lynch.

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@raffles: why sitting close to the lynch for a long time means he is town

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@BM : Because majority of the people didn't provide much reasons for their vote. I wouldn't believe that NO scums are on OTU's wagon. So I have to poke people so that I can distinguish between the real opportunistic voter and those who were not. No you don't stand much scummy than others.

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OTU has disappeared at most crucial of times...

I'm not there to place the hammer when the deadline comes I'm afraid, someone else needs to do that.

If I was there to place the hammer on the deadline, obviously I would have done.

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I'm going to repeat again.

Al4 being a cult =/= 2 failed NK.

Assuming there are 3 mafia and 3 wolves (like the other game).

both scum group targetted alex has a probability of 14/(17^2)= 4.8%

1 group targetted alex and the other got protected = (17 x 2) /(17 x 19) = 10.4%

*no blocker / immune role included. chance would be higher than 10.4% if these are include.

@BM: use some logic.
if there were 2 missed NK and alx died because he tried to recruit a scum. The chance is
(6/19)(17/(17x19))^2= 8.7 x 10^-2 %.

Its like saying "i wouldn't be suprised if i win the lottery even tho it has one in a billionth chance of happening, because someone win it everyday"

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Has anyone played in a game where there is a cult and the alignments colour coded?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3189
scum = red. cult=green

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Okay I'm going to have a restricted access starting immediate until 16th. I may or may not be able to post once a day. I hope you don't find a need to replace me.

Reinforcement.

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I think the agruement about cult=?colour has gone far too uneccessary.

I strongly believe red= antitown. So al4 is antitown. It doesn't mean he is an ordinary scum/ cult. If he is a cult, he is "extremely" unlikely to be the cult leader.

In my understanding, the reason put forth saying raffles is buddied with al4, being a cult, because he doesn't believe that there is a cult in this game (or trying to convince people that there is no cult in this game), is not very convincing to me. He doesn't stand out more than other that he has some kind of link with al4 before, so no one would be speculating that he is one if he doesn't comment about it.

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Players' activity overview

Player-[Post count].Last post

Akbar[14]- Apr 23
BM[33] - Apr 24
Bird [6]- Apr 23
DGB [6] - Apr 21
Fuldu [17] - Apr 23
IH [18] - Apr 22
Kison [53] - Apr 23
MoS [41] - Apr 24
Flay [35] - Apr 24

-PBuG [21] - Apr 07

Raffles [107] - Apr 24
Remus [46] -Apr 23 (requesting replacement)
scarecrow [16] - Apr 23 (requesting replacement)
SV [3] - Apr 23
Theopor_cod [16] - Apr 23
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wizardcat [5] - Mar 25

Reyo [143] - Apr 24
Zindy [5] - Apr 20
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N9V [9] - Apr 09

Please prod highlighted player mod. Many Thx

I would like to urge people with less than 20 post to try and contribute. Just a few of us trying to fire posts at each other isn't helping much.

@BM:
1) scum = know more than protown player? o.0
2) I'm stating the possibility. If 2 NK missed. why did alex died then? Someone did suggest that he might be a cult leader. Read. I'll quote it for you if i find it later.

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is it possible al4zx targeted scum and that's why he died? If so, that would mean probably two other roleblockers/doctors, which would be a good setup with so many anti-town groups IMO.

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As I've stated in the calculation. I didn't put a few factors in. and I was assuming that there are 3 scums in each group judging purely on the first game. It is to show what you said could have happen is soooooooo unlikely. They are just for comparison.

To be honest, voting you randomly and get the lynch right is 300 times more likely than what you said have happened. I would seiously bet on it.

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informed = scum / cop / mason / roleblock/doc who successfully prevented a kill.

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Well. then I would depend on what "reyo seems to know far more information than a protown player" means by BM

What sort of info does he think I know which a pro-town player shouldn't

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I don't know, I didn't say I agreed with his statement. I was just pointing out that, yes, scum DO know more than protown players, in general.

I was trying to point out that scum do not always know much more than town. Especially in this game. The 2 groups doesn't know each other. They know the other people who are in their team but the rest could be towns, could be scums.

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I think he was asking people to hammer at the very very last moment (on the 9th when he is not here)if nothing happens. But he also ignored the fact that 6 votes are enough for his lynch. no hammer needed.

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@Flay. I think that backing off at that time would draw much fire than not, and it does. So i believe that if he is the leader, he would not have jumped off at that point just to be safe. quite a few people, e.g scarecrow, DGB hasn't provided good reasons, so surely, if he is on the wagon, the ones getting fired upon would be those people before him.

Also, if he know that OTU is a town lynch, he wouldn't have joined in the first place.

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Just another thought. A cult wouldn't want to lynch the town because it means they would have less chance to win because a) fewer people to recruit, b) more chance for the leader to hit a scum and die). However, al4 looks quite opportunistic to lynch OTU. This doesn't agree with the theory that al4 is a cult.

I'm not sure if this is right.

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That's a valid strategy later in the game, but not as important early in the game. Also, it would require al4 to be experienced enough to think of something like that. I've never heard of the guy before, so I don't think he's that experienced. I wouldn't bet on him having thought about it.

This is my first game and I've thought about it. you can't assume something is not true because it doesn't suit your "ese is cult" theory. I think wether he notice this if he is a cult would be equally likely. That's why i don't like ese is a cult at the moment.

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and i don't understand why is it more important in late game than in early game either.

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Because later in the game, there are less people overall to recruit from, and if you kill too many townies, the scum will just NK all the cult and win the game.

Why is it a problem later in the game but not earlier. I don't see why they wouldn't maximize their chance to win by trying to lynch scum other than townie in the very begining. There is no reason why a cult would like to lynch the town.

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The town as a whole is still a thread to the cult.

No they aren't. Only the scums are. Although their alignment is anti-town. When all scums are dead. cult wins for sure as long as the leader doesn't die. only one member can die because of the lynch. But the leader can recruit one member each night. No loss. A town lynch hurts the cult as much as the town because they have less people to recruit from.

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adjustment to my 703. sorry I don't want to mean they aren't. I wanna say the mafia are much a greater thread to them than the town. I dun see they would want a town lynch.

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And they wouldn't want the mafia to kill the town power-roles as well. When they recruit those people. They can use them to their own advantage. Recuiting a doc to protect the leader would be ideal.

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I'm suprised by myself as well XD. I'm in two games and I've been playing much better in the other as well. Actually feel like I'm not producing junks. Basicly its theopor_COD's giant post just before the end of D1 taught me how to do a pbp properly. I didn't know I can sort out the users post by name at the bottom. Nor did I read the CDB's noobie guide until N1 when I had nothing to do. We also had much more information from what has happened. Back in D1. I could figure out NOTHING. serious. I didn't know what to do. When i want to accuse people of lurking, 50% of us weren't posting, so there wasn't any point.

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DGB's reason doesn't look valid to me. I don't see how you are opportunistic (as decribed by DGB). My danger was over yesterday i believe and I don't see reason why it would build up again today for those reasons.

But still I don't agree with some of your theories.

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@MoS. How does raffles being a scum makes DGB oneas well?

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Raffles has unvoted. He said he would hammer if he could be here. The missing piece is that he didn't say that he unvote so that OTU wouldn't be quicklynch and allows him to claim.

This is what I understnad from his explanation.

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If he is town. I think this is what he is thinking in chronological order.

1) otu is suspecious because he is not replying.
waiting
waiting.
2)Dealine announced
3)realized won't be here on the deadline
4) don't think Otu is scum anymore.
5) realize that he would be lynch anyway because no one else is building up a wagon.
6) Unvote anyway, so that he has a better chance to claim before he died. (But still want him to be lynch rather than no lynch)
7) ask someone to hammer for him when he is not here.

-------- the above would be true i think, if he is town -----

The problem is 4). We've wait for a long time and this is one of the point why otu is suspious. I think that waiting longer and longer would only make him more and more suspicious, not the way raffles said he suddenly think he is pro-town.

The second point is raffle want him to be lynched even he thinks he is protown. If I were him, I would put more effort into interogating Pbug, kison and remus at that time which might have a potential (although not very high) to build a wagon. if I think someone is pro-town, I would say lynching anyone else would be better. He didn't show effort in doing so.

If he so wanted to hammer otu. One day before the deadline doesn't really make a different. Even if he claims, scum would just act as if they are not here and let the deadline come. otu will die anyway.

The last point is that he doesn't seems to know that we only need 6 votes to lynch even though it has been discussed and clearly stated.

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i agree that Raffles story concernijng yesterday doesnt exactly add up, but he seems like an easy lynch really. MoS does look a little panicky though, and the Xreyox vote isnt going anywhere.

Unvote, Vote: MoS

Are you backing off because you couldn't answer my question?
>>"why do you think I know more than a pro-town player?" and " what kind of info you think I know which a pro-town player shouldn't?"

what do you mean by " xreyos vote isn't going anywhere"
if raffles story is concerning why don't you vote for him?
you think he is scum but he is an easy lynch so you dun want to vote him?
hidden message in your post: "my not a scum so I don't go for easy lynch"
is this what you what us to believe?

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my

I'm*

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question for those who have played with Xreyox before:
Is he this aggressive as scum or town usually?

This is my first game. I've said it before. You can take a look at my other game but I'm not dead yet so I can't proove that I'm town with it. Its better to leave that game alone anyway.


I appologise if i appear too aggressive to you and is making this game unpleasent for you. I understand that being interrogated isn't a fun thing. However, I do not want vote/unvote go easy either. This would just benefit the scums and allow them to fester around. If you are town, no matter how hard I push, you won't have anything to panick about.

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Shanba's accussation is weakly supported. most of them are" he looks scummy. Yes, he does look very scummy. full stop."

I'm not sure about the "reyo is town for certain" thing. If we are in a game with 1 scum group only, then this would be a point in favor that he is a scum. But in a game with at least 2 scum group.... I'm not sure. Cos I know that no one can be sure that others would be town/scum.

I don't see my connection with fuldu either. mind pointing out?

However I agree with shanba that DGB is not contributing much. Shanba has missed that people like wizardcat/n9v aren't also talking much. Surely if he is picking on lurky people, they would have fallen into this catergory as well.

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That's a pretty "definitive" statement, isn't it? It's getter curiouser and curiouser. MoS is not even a little bit scummy for his alarmed reaction to my "rubbish" case?

I dun see MoS is scummy for his reaction to your case atm. And stop making rubbish cases. It's very difficult to distinguish who are scums when everyone start throwing out rubbish accussation. When all the towns are making good cases but a scum chuck out some rubbish, trying to twist a situation, it is easy to spot the difference and the intention behind. When everyone is talking rubbish, it makes it very hard to analyse.

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is it just my browser or is it the script of shanba's post. I've got text all over the place.

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Mod : replacement for me pls

thx

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Hi I'm back. Pheobus didn't find me a replacement so I'm going to continue with this game. However, I'm dissapointed by the content in the posts made while I was away.

First of all, Machine gun prodding required. Mod, pls. Bold players
Akbar -May 15
BM - May 19

Bird -Apr 23

DBG - May 19

Fuldu - May 10

IH - May 14 (requesting replacement)
Kison - May 19
MoS - May 18
mneme - May 16

Flay - May 03

PBuG - May 19
Raffles - May 17
Shanba - May 15
SV - May 18
theoporCOD - May 18

wizardcat - Mar 25 !!! 2 months!?

Zindy - Apr 25 !!!

N9V - May 18

@bird: if you don't want to be replaced, pls put some effort into the game

@DGB: Please provide evidence showing MoS was houding me and raffles. It is good to shake things up to increase the pace of the game, but votes and reasons without any support are not tolerated. If you are town, your attempts at catching scums are almost useless and are also creating opportunity for people to hop onto you.. I believe any scums with half their brain frozen would notice you are voting people around you without any good reasons. I do not appreciate the fact that you said you've forgotten your reasons for voting OTU yesterday. I'm concerned about your roleclaim as well. Please explain the reason for it. Up till now, you have voted Flay, kison, mneme, MoS and PbuG. Could you compare ALL of the candidates you've voted before and state the reason why flay is most likely scum to you.

@Kison: I don't think DGB was sidetracking a wagon. Raffles was the leading wagon, however, his alignment is still unknown. To accuse DBG of sidetracking, the first requirement is "raffles is scum". Concluding on something that is based on an unknown situation doesn't convince me much.

@Flay: Could you please explain your inactivity in this game but not in the other games.

@Mneme: Your first post looks scummy to me. I was expecting some reasons and an overview of other players from you for your first post, yet, you voted raffles without provided any reasons. Judging that raffles was the leading wagon at that time, it struck me as opportunistic. I disagree with you saying scarecrow wasn't scummy. C'mon, he didn't contribute much then hopped onto OTU's wagon without providing any reasons. Do you think that was a pro-town act? You've said that it is OBVIOUS that there are 3 scum groups in the game, yet you are not convinced that there is a cult? So what is the third scum group you are talking about? Another group with the NK ability?

@BM: If you do not approve of flay's wagon because he is not around to defend himself, then why were you on OTU's wagon when he was inactive? you said that at no point did you wanted a raffle lynch. So why did you vote for raffle following Flay's case against him. Could you please learn not to quote uneccessary junk as well. It's really annoying.

@Shanba

I'd guess that mneme and DGB were the scum and that Mr. Flay and DGB are the counterwagons.

?? DGB is scum or aounterwagon?

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I don't care about MoS hounding you and Raffles anymore, that's so yesterday.

Maybe I was yesterday, but I can't see how you came to thinking that MoS was hounding me. Mind quoting his posts which show that?

most people by now are aware this is my playstyle, and besides, I never make it far into any game.

Clearly not helping are you? Killing yourself even if you are a town in any games.

As for OTU, who cares, it was a Day 1 wagon, the day needed moving on, and I was too busy with other RL matters to really get involved with the game.

Poor attitude towards the game? You were busy yet you wanted the day to move on? Surely you should have hoped that the day would slow day so you could catch up. So, is your vote on flay another "who cares, i want the day to move on"again?

I don't remember roleclaiming.

Here :arrow:

No, I don't have a power role. I have a role, but it's really minor, and it's highly unlikely to make a difference in the game. It's a passive, rather than active, ability.

What good does it do to the town by announcing you have a passive skill?

If you want to know why I voted all these people, read the game. Mostly for smallish scumtells. I do remember this made MoS really really nervous; and he's defended Flay. As to why I think Flay is the most scummy, I've already answered that.

You might have given reasons, but you weren't comparing between your new target with the other ones you were voting. You didn't give reasons for your unvotes.

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How reliable is it to conclude someone is scum when he is inactive in one game but not in the others. Both zindy, Fuldu and Bird (as well as Flay) have been very active across the board.

bird1111 has indicated that replacement in this game shall not be necessary.

If I were to accuse someone of tactical lurking, bird would be my first choice.

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All that is required is that a wagon exists and someone is trying to break it, and that is what DGB appeared to be aiming for earlier.

Why is DGB trying to break a wagon appear scummy?

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@Kison. I don't think that Flay's inactivity is due to a post limit, otherwise his post would be larger. I do not like how the flay wagon is building up atm, it is all based on his inactivity. Scum can say whatever they want and cast suspicions to players who are not around to defend themselves, like the OTU wagon towards the end of day1. What is the difference between flay and the other active lurkers?

@BM. Which part do you not recall. "you said that at no point did you wanted a raffle lynch. So why did you vote for raffle following Flay's case against him?"?

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i didnt vote for OTU yesterday because he was inactive-i strongly felt him to be scum. i didnt feel quite as strongly about Flay.

Hang on.. you

DID

vote for OTU yesterday. you were on his lynching wagon.

OTU seems very scummy at the moment-perhaps even more so than Kison. Of the two bandwagons, i think i know where im at.

Unvote, Vote: Overtheunder

i believe i have already answered that scernario.

I might have missed your answer. Could you please quote it for me please. Thx

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OK. But where is the answer for this?

you said that at no point did you wanted a raffle lynch. So why did you vote for raffle following Flay's case against him.

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thats a strong case from Flay.

Vote: Raffles

also note that im a bit wary of xreyox. he seems a little TOO protown for my liking. seems a bit false...
BM

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What will Raffle gain by convincing people that ESE isn't a cult? Even if someone can confirm that ESE is a cult, so what? There is hardly a link between al4x and raffles in Day1. I don't see why would raffles try to do that. If you care to look back, many people were discussing about the reason for only one night kill as well, not only him.

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@DGB: What was the purpose of your claim?

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[sarcasm]To answer Scummememe's bizarrely worded request-non-request to claim non-claim but not quite quasi? He wanted an answer, but he didn't, but he did, so he did ask, but he wanted an non-answer, which I tried to provide, but failed to provide, while succeeding wildly.[/sarcasm]

Nice one

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Mod: please replace those who didn't pick up their prods

The activity of the game is lower than a C9.

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@Fonz: I don't think n9v would be a paranoia cop. paranoia cops get guilty results no matter what. He is either normal or insane.

@n9v: perhaps you should tell us who you've got innocent result from. If you are normal and we lynch IH (wolf), then the other guy would be non-wolf. If you are insane and we lynch IH(town), it means the other one is wolf. Also, why did you claim at this point? Shanba voting akbar means it is possible that he is the mafia-finding cop. Revealing a lot of town power-role to the scums is not a very good move at the moment I believe.

@shanba, why are you happy to know that nmeme is town, not scum?

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@BM: According to your theory suggesting n9v is scum, what do you think he is trying to achieve? trading 1 town lynch with his life? not quite profitable for his scum group at this time of the day I believe.

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@BM: That wouldn't work. When the real cop dies or claims, we will know that n9v is scum, and whoever he claims to be innocent would be very likely a his wolf-buddies. That would be the gameover for them.

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@n9v: does your investigation tell you that ese = mafia?
As for your innocent result: It has not been proven that you are sane yet. Judging on your last post, I would assume that the innocent person is still alive, otherwise, you would tell us to prove your sanity. There is a great chance the mafia is going to NK you tonight. Therefore, if you die and come up insane, we would know that the innocent person is in fact scum tommorrow.

A real claim looks much more likely than a fake one atm.

I'll see if there would be a counterclaim and how IH/ his replacement would respond to this before I vote.

@shanba: the focus wasn't on your role, it was about the timing of n9v's claim. I believe that trying to get IH to post first then claim would allow us to find links between him and his scumbuddies.

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@MOS: But you are talking about the situation where IH isn't lynched before dusk.
I think the wolves (unless stupid) wouldn't kill the innocent person. Once IH dies, n9v's sanity will be known. If IH come up to be mafia, the innocent person would be confirmed to be non-mafia, but it doesn't make him less wolfy. In fact the wolf-hunting cop and mafias are greater threat to the wolves than other townies.

@n9v: Are there any reasons why revealing your innocent investigation is harmful to the town?

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This is exactly why revealing the innocent isn't harmful, XReyoX. The "innocent" person isn't guaranteed innocent, just non-mafia (N9V corrected himself that he finds mafia, not wolves, remember?). IH *should* be lynched, but we should know who the other person is before the day ends. Even if we have docs living that doesn't guarantee that N9V will live through the night, and I'm not taking any chances in a theme game.

This is what I'm thinking atm. But n9v must have his reasons for not revealing the innocent result, I think I have missed something worth considering.

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Also, I'm puzzled about Flay's death. Was it caused by a standard mafia power-role or is it something unique (only in this game)? I haven't encountered any games or read any games where someone would go silent then annouced death at the end of the day. Are we dealing with some strange character here?

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I would prefer Akbar respond to me before we lynch today.

I second that.

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I think IH would be my first priority for the lynch for today now. If he turns out to be mafia, then we would be able to know wheter ese=mafia. Also since you've investigated raffles last night and most of the cases against raffles was based on him being potential ese and him trying to persuade people that ese is not cult or something like that. This would be clearer soon i believe.

@shanba: I'm thinking that flay wasn't allowed to post since the middle of D2.

@everyone: What do you think have happened to flay. If it is a scumkill, I believe that it will happen again.

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IH said he needed replacement. He have to wait till he is replaced

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@BM: Were you trying to defend for IH when n9v first claimed, went silent to see how the wagon is heading, then now decide to bus him? The change of view from the last one to this one and the time gap between the two looks suspicious.

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Nice try though. planning to lynch me tomorrow after you have bussed your buddy?

FOS: Xreyox

How would that work? And why would I want you to be lynched tmr if I were his buddy? You would be clear of suspicion if n9v investigate you tonight anyway, wouldn't it?

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Please hold off from voting IH for the moment, I wanna see him responding to the situation, as well as akbar responding to shanba. I don't see any point in rushing for the lynch for now.

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Clear of being mafia. Thats what I'm trying to say. Because I am suspecting him being IH's scummate if IH turn out to be mafia.

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@BM: which part(s) do not make sense?

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@shanba: why did you choose to attack Akbar?

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@n9v: Have you got an explanation to why IH appears to be town. Could you also tell us that wether you've got an innocent/guilty result last night (and if possible, who you've investigated)?

I hate to believe in what BM said but I currently think that n9v is more likely scum than an insane cop. The cops in this game can only detect one scum group, making them 1/2 as powerful as the ones in normal games already. I think the best way to verify what n9v's role is is to see what he have got from last night.

Kison analysis to last night scene is accurate, except he has got Mos and DGB confused.(pointed out by Fonz).

@Greg. If IH is a GF. He wouldn't be detected as guilty by n9v.

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@n9v: what was the strange occurence and who did you choose to investigate last night.