N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

[Dante]

Vote SleepyKrew

[Dante]

The question you need to ask yourself with respect to SleepyKrew is "Would scum go ahead and do that?" - and while this opens up a can of WIFOM, I would put a "negative utility" claim in the {high risk, low payoff} strategy for scum - so, probably not scum for now is where I would put him.

neroandmollie:

He did vote for SK on Page 1 but Page 2 posting talks about the vote count being wrong and MUM's opinion on peacebringer? Vibe of "Keep up activity levels" of posting scum play.

Dante:

Just a single vote on SK and nothing else? Prob. newbie scum afraid to say anything (unless he's an alt)

What more is there to say. Most likely he's claiming Miller. It's Day 1. Eliminate the WIFOM seems like the way to go. Why the defense?

[Dante]

OK. Maybe he's not claiming the Miller role.

Unvote

[Dante]

@SleepyKrew, can you link me to your most recent scum and town games please.

Too much meta.

Vote mnemonicdevice

[Dante]

Too much meta.

Vote mnemonicdevice

i'm a newbie. tell me what this means and why it makes mnemonic scum.

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Still don't know why Deas made that multiball comment, though

what are your reads?

Try the wine in front.

[Dante]

... what does that even mean? you think him asking for sleepykrew's meta is... some sort of "wifom" that makes mnemonic scum?

is there a headdesk emote?

Using meta to scum hunt on Day 1 is pointless.

Better off using the Magic 8-ball.

[Dante]

... even if this weren't something that town players do, why not comment on peacebringer bringing up katsuki's meta? why is mnemonic scum for doing it?

I asked the Magic 8-ball if you were scum.

The reply:

YES!

[Dante]

Unvote, Vote Rail Tracer

[Dante]

then your magic 8-ball is shit

You shake it then.

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

[Dante]

pretend you're town for a moment.

give me your thoughts on the game so far.

Usually need blood in the water...but the 8-ball said you were scum so I'm sticking with that...

Pretend you're town for a moment, what are your thoughts?

[Dante]

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/images/1.gif
Question: Does this work?

I shook it again and got a different answer.

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

[Dante]

You can die after Dante

I am honored. Not really but why not say it. It means as much as the rest of the BS meta around here. At least you through a dart at mnemonic. Now, that's a lynch I could rally around. I mean...who asks for your last two games? Too lazy to look it up...too lazy to scum hunt from the wine in front.

[Dante]

Oh mnemonic is scummy for asking for me to supply my previous games and then not following up when I ignored him

Also, took the bait on the Magic 8-ball like it was 4realz.

[Dante]

holy cow

Phil Rizzuto

[Dante]

Are we really having so many people asking out?

Can't we all get along?

[Dante]

How is using meta D1 scummy again? You say later that it's pointless, but you never actually explain how that makes mnemonic scum for asking for it.

Dante doesn't seen to be an alt. Just guessing from his posting.

You tell me? What's the point to using meta? IMO...to see if a pattern exists in a player's game play. It's day 1. What pattern can you find that relates to another game. SillyCindy told a joke last game to start the game and she was town...this time she played all serious...she must be scum. Yeah, that works often. Just another reason to cast a lame vote...IMO...No way to determine a pattern till some blood hits the street. So asking for another's game history strikes me as lazy and just another way to make shit up. Personally, I'd rather vote using the Magic 8-ball scum detector than use some BS meta on day 1.

I'm not an alt...rather new here...looks like you folks use alts and hydras...whatever that is...as way to get around the meta everyone uses to scum hunt...then we spend two days swapping players out cause JimmyBob doesn't like to play with BettyJo who didn't know she was in the game because she was using an alt/hydra (whatever that is).

Again, rather just chose from the wine in front of me. Right now I like my vote cause the Magic 8-ball found him scummy. So yeah, there's that. Don't like it. You know what to do. Good luck.

[Dante]

@ molla: I didn't like your silent hop on Kat after you reached out to them earlier, I didn't like your unvote after Kat replaced out, and I didn't like your reaction to getting called out on unvoting.

@ Dante: Why did you answer my question with "you tell me?" The closest you come to explaining why mnemonic asking for meta is scummy it was "lazy" and "just another way to make shit up." It could be reasonably argued that asking someone to provide their own meta is another form of info-gathering, so I don't think your justification holds water. It also appears to be projection, given the lame, lazy votes that make up your ISO.

- Des

PEdit: I'm actually more interested in why Dante is town.

Opinions are like ********...everyone has one. Guess you've figured out my meta...good luck with that.

[Dante]

My thoughts and prayers to your friends and families.

[Dante]

Also. Luna. I did read your wall. The jester thing is a joke. This thing is Notably Normal. so no jester.

Lurk much?

[Dante]

My suspicion was based on PeaceBringer as scum thinking that the SleepyKrew votes were serious and trying to fit in, basically thinking that the townies were seeing something in SK's post so he should too. The reason I thought this was less likely to be a town reaction to the wagon was because it took him a while to actually react to the negative utility claim, which I felt didn't mesh with his strong stance later on when no one was actually very interested in running SKrew up.

so your suspicion was essentially based on thinking I am a clues noob, not someone who has been playing one form of the game or another for about a decade?

Really? A decade? Wow. Need to write a book or something.

[Dante]

OK, all caught up.

I checked the 8-ball.

It's either paranoid or insane, since I did the smart thing and asked about myself first.

Luna Lovegood* (Nachomamma8/Andrius hydra)- null-town
dopog* -nulltown
Dante -nulltown
DeasVail - not mafia
Shadowy Poison (Ms Marangal/Desperado hydra)- null town
Rail Tracer (Xegarus/zMuffinMan hydra) -null
PeaceBringer- townish
theloveofneroandmollie (Nero Cain/pirate mollie hydra)- town
mnemonicdevice*- null-scum
ooba- scummy
PeregrineV (replaced Katsuki)- all town
Nani*- scum
Metal Unites Mutley* (Metal Sonic/Mutleyddmc hydra)- I have no read, nor do I expect to get one, despite that fact this is a hydra. If I ever do, I will annoucne it. Null.
Viera Assassin- null
Vifam*- null but only while we wait for replacement.
Diabolik* (replaced SleepyKrew)- Sleepy was null with a drop of town
BBmolla- null

I can see this guy knows how to play mafia.

[Dante]

OK, all caught up.

I checked the 8-ball.

It's either paranoid or insane, since I did the smart thing and asked about myself first.

Luna Lovegood* (Nachomamma8/Andrius hydra)- null-town
dopog* -nulltown
Dante -nulltown
DeasVail - not mafia
Shadowy Poison (Ms Marangal/Desperado hydra)- null town
Rail Tracer (Xegarus/zMuffinMan hydra) -null
PeaceBringer- townish
theloveofneroandmollie (Nero Cain/pirate mollie hydra)- town
mnemonicdevice*- null-scum
ooba- scummy
PeregrineV (replaced Katsuki)- all town
Nani*- scum
Metal Unites Mutley* (Metal Sonic/Mutleyddmc hydra)- I have no read, nor do I expect to get one, despite that fact this is a hydra. If I ever do, I will annoucne it. Null.
Viera Assassin- null
Vifam*- null but only while we wait for replacement.
Diabolik* (replaced SleepyKrew)- Sleepy was null with a drop of town
BBmolla- null

I can see this guy knows how to play mafia.

I do like magic 8-balls!

With that said, it's a great RVS-gmaestarter vote.

We have since moved past that, and I would like to hear some current thoughts on the gamestate. Continuing to vote an 8-ball vote is

no bueno

.

What does RVS mean?

As far as the game state, looks like you have the most votes atm...don't really like following the crowd on Day 1...plus RailTracer on your wagon...ain't buying what he selling...mnemonic is another I could vote...lurking...

What's your case on Peace?

[Dante]

Vote: dopog

FINAL ANSWER

Most of his posts start with "sorry" scumtell.

I could vote Nani for this weak sauce as well.

[Dante]

a nani lynch isn't happening, you derptard. i asked the magic 8ball.

what are your thoughts on dopog and PV?

Hey herpaderp,

Town read on dopog...

Null on PV...

[Dante]

Scum reads on you, mnenomnic and now Nani

[Dante]

Vote: dopog

FINAL ANSWER

Most of his posts start with "sorry" scumtell.

I could vote Nani for this weak sauce as well.

Go for it bitch, what is preventing you to do it?

More name calling...nice...nothing preventing me...find your post scum-filled...care to identify what dopog posts scream scum...he at least looked like he was hunting.

[Dante]

apoletic

Try to identify what screams out to you...other than that...just makes you look like your looking for a place to park a vote.

[Dante]

apologetic

Guess I don't see the offense in his posts.

[Dante]

I'll post some quotes when I get home, I'll confirm my nread on you if you post the same about what makes yo think he is town

I'm not here to convince you he's town...just that I have a town read...you voted him...so the burden of proof is on you...you put the vote out there talking about his tone...never offered any evidence just a vague comment...comes across as you looking for an easy train to board.

[Dante]

I already said I will do it, stop pretenging my case is an easy hop.

I want to know why you have a town read on him.

It seems like you don't ahve a reason and are using lame excuses to avoid explaining why. And it's important because I think he is scum.

Go ahead, then.

Stop talking in circles. You hopped an easy train with little support. Now, your beside yourself trying to put this on me. You cast the vote, can you justify it or not? This circle jerk you're trying to drag me into only makes you appear scummier with each passing post.

[Dante]

I already said I will do it, stop pretenging my case is an easy hop.

I want to know why you have a town read on him.

It seems like you don't ahve a reason and are using lame excuses to avoid explaining why. And it's important because I think he is scum.

Go ahead, then.

You play a strange game of mafia. The most damning thing a player can do is vote another player. I voted Rail Tracer. Why? Cause he tried to justify using meta on Day 1 and he also over-reacted to my using the Magic 8-ball to scum hunt. Not the strongest of cases but it's my case. I own it. You do a drive by on dopog with little support and now you try to push back on me like I need to defend him. FTR, I do not know his alignment just that he reads town to me.

Your case. Can you support it or not. Could easily move to vote to you. In fact,

Unvote

Vote Nani

[Dante]

you voted him...so the burden of proof is on you... never offered any evidence just a vague comment...

if there is a vig in the game, please, please, please kill this immediately.

many thanks

If it helps you just dropped to #2.

[Dante]

If it helps you just dropped to #2.

aww, that's so nice of you.

i'd ask about your reasons, but i know you don't have any.

You must have a comprehension problem. Enjoy.

[Dante]

oh, right.

Cause he tried to justify using meta on Day 1 and he also over-reacted to my using the Magic 8-ball to scum hunt.

swear to god. any vig claim that doesn't kill this N1 should be treated as a SK.

Child please.

[Dante]

Unvote, Vote Mnemonic

Lurker McScummy

[Dante]

Unvote, Vote Mnemonic

Lurker McScummy

beating to your own drum... I think either dopog or kays/pv is a good place to be at the moment, but feel free to listen to that other rhythm...

He comes across a little scummier...you voting PV cause Kat's play?

I still want to get back to the negative utility claim as well.

Still plenty of plenty to data mine.

[Dante]

That post by mit was terrible. But not enough to change from a vote on dante. Ugh... Nobody else will kill him though. I say we kill dopog today. I don't think peregrine is scum.

VOTE: dopog

Scummy play here. You intend to blind lynch? Liking my vote.

[Dante]

why is everyone avoiding the Pog wagon?

because while dopog may be scum, looks like kat/pv is as well... so not everyone avoiding dopog, just looking elsewhere...

I'll give you a claim.

Claim:

Confirm-able town PR

But, now that it's been brought up, where else are YOU looking?

Confirmable how? can u hard claim plux? let see if someone cc

Agree with this.

[Dante]

@mit: the wall of reads

People on Pv should move to dopog. We desprately need a lynch

Incite the masses.

[Dante]

Wouldn't your role PM tell you if you were a double-voter? Why would you need to experiment?

Also, shouldn't everyone be buying Pere's claim, at least for now? That is, if his role is confirmable, presumably he will take steps to confirm it by tomorrow. And if he does not, he lied, therefore lynch. At least that's what seems to me to be the best course of action. So, Deas jumping on a secondary suspect with an existing wagon seems fine to me.

Not necessary on the double vote thing. A situation like a double-vote enabler (player that grants double vote to another player each day) for example.
I agree with you - lynching Pere isn't the best strategy with his claim and moving to another wagon is fine. It's the statement "asking for more is silly" - it seems to accept the claim too readily - almost as if he knows it's true. Contrast this with the skepticism present in other posters.

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What abou tgetting Dante?
guys u realize Dog is v/la and we risk to hit a PR?
since he has no chances to claim?

I think Race has conviced you on the "not lynching Pere today" part. I'm not getting traction with a DV counter wagon; Dante looks like a better bet to actually get lynched. Let's do this.

Unvote. Vote: Dante

The scum coming out of the woodwork.

[Dante]

Wouldn't your role PM tell you if you were a double-voter? Why would you need to experiment?

Also, shouldn't everyone be buying Pere's claim, at least for now? That is, if his role is confirmable, presumably he will take steps to confirm it by tomorrow. And if he does not, he lied, therefore lynch. At least that's what seems to me to be the best course of action. So, Deas jumping on a secondary suspect with an existing wagon seems fine to me.

Not necessary on the double vote thing. A situation like a double-vote enabler (player that grants double vote to another player each day) for example.
I agree with you - lynching Pere isn't the best strategy with his claim and moving to another wagon is fine. It's the statement "asking for more is silly" - it seems to accept the claim too readily - almost as if he knows it's true. Contrast this with the skepticism present in other posters.

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What abou tgetting Dante?
guys u realize Dog is v/la and we risk to hit a PR?
since he has no chances to claim?

I think Race has conviced you on the "not lynching Pere today" part. I'm not getting traction with a DV counter wagon; Dante looks like a better bet to actually get lynched. Let's do this.

Unvote. Vote: Dante

yeah Pv isn't going anywhere.if he says he s checkable well let chekc him.. maybe next dp...
UNVOTE: VOTE: dante

ooba u r my strongest townread atm.

Wrong.

[Dante]

What about getting Dante?

i don't have strong feelings one way or the other about dante. some stuff he does is antitown, and i get mild town vibes from some of the posts he makes.

Wrong.

no, i'm pretty sure ooba is town. even apart from the fact i'm reading his posts in general as town, the reason he gave for the initial double vote was really town.

remind me what your reads are, dante.

Right now Mnemonic Device is hard scum...too little commentary even when called out.
Ooba for that vote. Too calculated. Looks like scum looking to avoid a dopog lynch.
You for our previous interactions.

[Dante]

Lmao dante u fos ooba?
I mean what about your other reads?
why i am voting u and i am town and ooba is scum cause voting u ?
I don't recall u suspecting him

Take it as you want. The timing of it makes it too calculated. Could be scum looking to jump off the main train.

Thought you were the Miller. Guess SK could have been scum using that claim as means to justify a later guilty but then he bailed. Poor form if he did that to his scum mates.

[Dante]

I really don't like this wagon.

Makes two of us.

[Dante]

Scummy play yesterday leads me:

Vote Mnemonic Device

[Dante]

I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(

that is a lie or you are paranoid...
might as well claim then- my role is Networker. It is negative ultility. There may be logic in my dying, as anyone who has a QT has full access during the day as long as alive. I die they lose it.

Can anyone confirm they have daytalk?

[Dante]

To my role PM!

And Mtillos, I was told I was a Naive Cop, I also know the identity of a Paranoid one.

It says my result will always be innocent.

But I have a guilty on RadiantCowbells.

@mod: If a framer framed someone, and a naive cop investigated that player, what would happen?

So, I'm guessing then RC is the not the paranoid cop. The why didn't RC vote Peace?

[Dante]

@RT: You don't find it strange that we'd have a naive cop neighbour, who knows both his sanity status and the identity of a paranoid cop?

What I find strange:

BB claims naive Cop who knows the name of the paranoid Cop.
BB claims a guilty read on Radiant Cowbells.
Can we assume then that Radiant Cowbells is NOT the paranoid Cop? Why else would BB investigate who he knows is the paranoid Cop?

If we stick to that logic, then Radiant Cop is not the paranoid Cop, then he must be the sane Cop but Radiant Cowbells did not vote Peace.

So maybe Radiant Cop is the paranoid Cop and can confirm BB as well.

I'm confused.

[Dante]

--Prod dodge

Very astute.

[Dante]

@RC: I'd like some more information from you. No references to other games, though. You claimed a guilty result on Peace. What is your role? Do you know how reliable this result is? Why did you not vote Peace, if you have a guilty result on him?

@Pere: Your links seem a bit off. Anyway, maybe Networker is just N's N-word for Encryptor? You know, like Namecaller was the N-word for Framer.

This

[Dante]

Still like the votes on menemonicdevice.

[Dante]

I would go for a Nani lynch.

Why Nani?

[Dante]

Im back - I'm drunk but I feel inspired enough to do my re-read now...

Please enlighten us.

Peace - do you have any completed games on record after your return to the site?

More meta?

[Dante]

I would go for a Nani lynch.

Why Nani?

It must be so difficult to read from the top of the page.

I thoroughly agree with that sentiment.

I saw 658 quoted in one of the ISOs and it bugged me to no end with how scummy it was.

Me so sorry. amirite?

[Dante]

OK. catching up and waiting for MDs claim

[Dante]

Also, MD is a shitty wagon. He's a bad player and everyone knows it, but that doesn't make him scum.

Get the eff off that wagon.

MD is a shitty wagon. He's a bad player and everyone knows it, but that doesn't make him scum.

indeed. but usually mnem does stuff that kinda looks townish or i could see coming from a town mindset and i'm not really seeing that this game. do you see town stuff, or are you just saying he's bad so maybe he's not scum?

also you're not really doing anything with your BB vote. maybe you should talk about why you think BB is scum instead of whining about the mnem wagon if you want the BB lynch to happen.

1. I don't know what kind of player MD is nor do I care.
2. He can claim and we can re-evaluate from there.
3. Still liking my vote at the moment.

[Dante]

VOTE: Bbmolla

Needs more.

Did I miss the case?

[Dante]

I guess I'll wait for the reason behind this

just, don't kill me

^Poison

Town don't let people vote them without justification.

I'm caught up now, and not really feeling the PeregrineV wagon.

VOTE: Peacebringer

588 just killed my scumdar.

That's pretty bastard.

Also, lynch BBmolla tomorrow.

VOTE: Dopog

This deserves further discussion since dopog's last post looked town after being hammered.

-If Dopog flips scum, you are lynching BBMolla tomorrow no matter what end story thanks bye.
-If Dopog flips town, then the following is redacted.

Okay, yeah, that's it.

I am absolutely convinced that BB is scum.

VOTE: Bbmolla

Vote between us. Please. I'm not going to deal.

VOTE: Bbmolla

Needs more.

What happened to the redaction?

Vote Radiant Cowbells

[Dante]

prod dodge for now. I'll get more time to read this weekend.

[Dante]

We can mass claim if that's what everyone want.

Originally thought Majiffy's role was miller...but eventually concluded it was the PGO...so agree with BBmolla.

[Dante]

I'd like to see where this leads.

Vote Kmd4390

[Dante]

Still like my vote

[Dante]

Then Majiffy or (more likely) Dante will hammer him for towncred.

- Des

What's the case again? Explain it to me like I'm a six-year old?

Want to be ready.

[Dante]

Unconvinced...hard to make a convincing case using a player's tone...especially cause I'm the fng...just read VA's ISO and don't see him as scum begging out...looks like he got bored with the apathy in this game...don't see scum doing that...don't really know the players in this but the game has slowed to a crawl.

Why don't you just jump on board the kmd express?

[Dante]

Nothing Notable.

[Dante]

Dante deserves a lynch.

Mit, too, but I am feeling the Dante scum more than anything right now.

Sorry I stress you guys out.

I'm not sure why people are getting stressed about Varsoon. There are 11 of us. With his power, this means 12 votes. A lynch requires 7 votes. Instead he needs 6. Now, suppose he wasn't a hated double voter. 11 total votes, everyone would need 6 to be voted. His effect is a positive one. It makes everyone else harder to get voted out, making it less likely that mafia can band enough of the town together for a mislynch, since they need one more town for that, than normal.
The only case in which Varsoon becomes a bit of a liability is when there is an even number of us left. If there are 10 of us, everyone will need 6 votes to get lynched, except Varsoon will need 5. Which still doesn't allow mafia to just outright win by piling on him. It takes 50% of the players to lynch him, in that situation, but mafia can't be 50% of us, or they will have already won, anyway.

Do not like either of these comments.

Vote Mit

[Dante]

^Good posting by MiT.

Lemme

unvote

before I leave.

Add him to my list as well.

[Dante]

"

Just don't rush into a vote and mafia can't pile on

"

If every town followed that one rule they would never lose.

- Des

Unvote
Vote: Peacebringer

- Des

I want to pause when I see this comment.

Unvote

Then you vote?

[Dante]

You just unsettle me Dante.

Also, for people still in doubt, I'm town.

You unsettle me.

[Dante]

Vote Varsoon.

Tunneling with two votes.

[Dante]

not sure what makes you paranoid about them

Well I was doing PoE.

Earlier I had {Luna/Peace, BBM, Mit,...}

Peace's posting falls in the category of too genuine to be scum, IMO.
Mit's recent posting is making me reconsider him as scum. (Because the 'let me see a flip to state a 3/4 member scum team' seems like weak scum play; at a time when I expect scum to be pushing mislynches with conviction)

If you remove the two of them, I can Luna as one & Maj (or) BBM as the second.

Even if I take Varsoon as the third - it means I'm wrong about one of my town reads. If Mit's town - I'd say Shadow has the highest chances of being scum.

What is PoE?

Agree with analysis of Peace's comments.

Kind of scummy to link the cases until we actually find scum.

Varsoon is probably scum. Double voter as negative to the town. Fits.

[Dante]

He's more than a lurker lynch. Lynch via meta, lynch because he's scummy (throws his vote around easily, is reactionary rather than proactive about the game, etc), lynch because of gut.

I'unno, it's just my biggest read right now. Wish I could contribute something huge and momentous, but I don't have it in me right now.

Talk about meta. You should go back and read that previous game of yours. Your playing the same way as the aforementioned Calvin & Hobbes games. Scum MVP tunneling on the innocent, while at the same time developing as many different story lines as possible so you can twist and deceive after every mislynch.

Wow.

I like my vote where it is. Could also vote Ooba.

[Dante]

Dante, without knowing the history, your vote is looking really OMGUS. This type of double hardbus is somyhing I've seen Varsoon do.

Varsoon probably plays this on purpose. He's has far more established meta on this site than I. He pied pipered that town in that one game I played here and just leery of him doing it again.

See no reason to change my vote now. He's scum. He knows and I know it.

[Dante]

For all you voting me. When I flip please lynch Varsoon.

That is all.

[Dante]

@ Ooba,

When I flip town lynch Varsoon then vote yourself you scum.

Nice way to re-direct traffic.

[Dante]

Unvote,

Vote Peace

Self Preservation.

[Dante]

VOTE: Ooba

What this guy says. Could move back to Varsoon to consolidate.

Vote Ooba

[Dante]

VOTE: Ooba

What this guy says. Could move back to Varsoon to consolidate.

Vote Ooba

HEY

ASSHOLE

WHY SHOULD WE LYNCH VARSOON ONCE YOU ARE DEAD?

- DES

Hey,

Suck a bag of dicks!

[Dante]

Someone else can worry about unvoting, I'm done here.

Unvote
Vote: Dante

- Des

Run away!