Mafia v. Wolves Redux: Finally Over!

[Mr. Flay]

Romulus and Remus were raised by the Capitoline Wolf. That makes

Vote: remussaidow

the obvious choice to eliminate therians from our small town.

[Mr. Flay]

wow...

thats the best reason for a first vote ever...

I don't Random Vote. 8)

[Mr. Flay]

Against God?










Or the devil?

Role telegraphing?

FOS: Scarecrow

Also, oh hi MoS, IGMEOU2.

[Mr. Flay]

Huh? What is role telegraphing?

Hinting at your role. There's a role in Werewolf called the Devil, which works for the side of the wolves, trying to find the Angel/Archangel/power roles.

It was a small idea, but I wanted to see how you'd react to it.

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote: remussaidow

despite the fact that his logic is still terrible. I'm much more interested in

Voting: Raffles

; why exactly do you assume there are 6 scum (your words) in this game? Why would you think that "lynch -6" is a worthwhile trap?

[Mr. Flay]

The numbers of scum? Simple.
(snip)

Fascinating. And yet you assumed there were three per team, that the teams were equal, and that 3 scum on a team would be enough of a scum group in a game subject to crosskills. That speaks of prior knowledge to me.

Vote stands. I'm not feeling the XReyoX bandwagon at all, it looks like scum jumping on the fat kid.

[Mr. Flay]

So where's Raffles? I notice he never really answered my question, tried to deflect attention, and then withheld information on who he thought was scummy.

[Mr. Flay]

tried to deflect attention, and then withheld information on who he thought was scummy.

And just may I ask, why are these scummy? It might look scummy if I did it with no reason, but I gave an explanation for each one.

For the first, I've said it myself that this might look scummy, but I needed to mention what I observed. Having assumed that people are more or less finished with interrogating me, I didn't think it would be a problem to speak my observation.

I also think I gave a valid reason for witholding my scum list. I don't see why you would have a problem with it.

I'm not saying you didn't have a reason. Even scum haev a reason (and usually a 'public' reason too) for things they do. But trying to analyze a L-6 wagon based on votes in the middle of it the bandwagon is pretty hard work. And it could be applied to your pushing a "wagon (you) didn't believe in" to try to flush out scum; that's just covered in scumminess. Also, you've kept back information about your motivations several times (I don't want to say who I find scummy just yet", "Damnit why'd you have to spoil my trap" which look like a

lone wolf

loner trying to play the game their way instead of working with the town.

The more you reveal about your motivations, the more we have to analyze on you to tell if you are town or not. You've been very reticient about providing anything from your perspective, and the L-6 thing is weird enough to look manufactured to me. But you did answer both questions eventually, even though I missed the L-6 answer initially.

[Mr. Flay]

no, reyo, FoSing means I think that you're part of an informed minority, be it scum or mason.

So you're willing to out masons with an FoS?

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote: Raffles, Vote: al4xz

- you've had THREE posts total, the last one six days ago, and you have the nerve to complain about people being inactive?

[Mr. Flay]

I'm here, but with 12 posts since my last one, there's not much new for me to comment on. As annoying as BM may be, there are legitimate n00b reasons for acting that way, especially toward someone you know. Not scummy in my view.

Yo Al4, gonna enlighten us some more?

[Mr. Flay]

I'm here, but with 12 posts since my last one, there's not much new for me to comment on. As annoying as BM may be, there are legitimate n00b reasons for acting that way, especially toward someone you know. Not scummy in my view.

Yo Al4, gonna enlighten us some more?

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote: al4ex, Vote: OverTheUnder

- no momentum on the lurker is interesting, but we need some movement in this game, and I like this wagon much better than the Raffles one. OTU has contributed very little actual content, while posting enough to stay off the lurker list.

[Mr. Flay]

Yeah, but pro-town players are more likely to do so while contributing actual content/opinions.

[Mr. Flay]

I apologize, this game dropped off my radar when search went down.

OTU: Good post, but is there any particular reason you're not taking a stand by voting someone?

[Mr. Flay]

al4xz: Vote please. I want to see you commit to something, so we have something to go on tomorrow.

Anyone else who hasn't voted today: Same deal. Lurking is one thing, but making yourself totally unreadable is NOT pro-town.

[Mr. Flay]

Oh, to be a dayvig - we need to trim some dead weight from this game. This is a Large Theme Game, people, not a Mini - there should be more than 8-10 people posting!

It's curious to me that OTU has sat so close to lynch for so long. Is it because his scumbuddies are avoiding his lynch (when there's no other really viable wagons going), or is it because scum are already on his wagon and can't push it any harder, not knowing if he's actually on the other scum team or not?

FOS: Everyone who came on long enough to say they'd reread, but hasn't actually posetd content. bird, theopor, IH, voidy. MOS and ~N9V~ too, since they haven't even posted

at all

.

[Mr. Flay]

Errr,

FOS

. You know what I meant...

[Mr. Flay]

Meh? Since when is witholding insight protown, Raffles?

[Mr. Flay]

Lazy is not good. But, so many people are being lazy in this game that I don't feel it's worth switching my vote off of OTU right now. Tomorrow, though...

[Mr. Flay]

Waiting on more answers from people. I'm about this > < far from asking to bail out of this game, if we can't keep up participation any better than this.

[Mr. Flay]

Remus, mostly, though I'm not really satisfied with XreoX's explanation of the "it's impossible to see scum passing messages", especially since I've

been

that scum a couple of times, and had to try to do it without getting caught, and you generally do get spotted. People here are very sharp, usually.

Raffles' explanation of telling people to hold their cards close to their vest is shady too. But I doubt seriously that any other bandwagon is going to gain speed today, so if OTU is not going to offer anything further in his defense, I would like to see more people vote for

someone

, and end this Day to have something to talk about D2.

[Mr. Flay]

And for those who don't know what I mean about the lack of participation, here's what I see as people's last post, and the content therein with respect to moving the game forward:

4/2/2007 remussaidow
4/2/2007 PBuG
4/2/2007 Mr. Flay
4/2/2007 Battle Mage
4/1/2007 Kison
4/1/2007 Akbar
3/31/2007 Raffles
3/30/2007 XReyoX
3/29/2007 theopor_COD
3/28/2007 Mastermind of Sin, negligible
3/26/2007 OverTheUnder
3/26/2007 IH, negligible
3/26/2007 bird1111, negligible
3/25/2007 Zindaras, negligible, after replacing Der Hammer who last posted on 3/17
3/25/2007 Fuldu
3/25/2007 DrippingGoofball, negligible
3/25/2007 al4xz
3/24/2007 Wizardcat, very little
3/24/2007 ~N9V~, very little
3/22/2007 Scarecrow, very little
3/19/2007 spectrumvoid

Shameful.

[Mr. Flay]

What, I only left a couple of days!

I know, I was speaking more to the more than 50% of the game who haevn't posted since the 28th or earlier. Thanks for sending out prods, Phoebus.

Wait, Raffles, why the hell are you unvoting OTU???

[Mr. Flay]

Wait, Raffles, why the hell are you unvoting OTU???

Well that kind of depends on whether you agree with what I said or not. Do you really think he's commited enough crimes to be worthy of a lynch? And if so, why isn't he lynched until now?

And if not, what's the point in keeping a vote on him?

Yeh I'd like to hear from OTU. As Raffles say's he seems to have given up. His wagon seems to have diminished without him even posting, how odd.

Quoted for truth. Wagons that diminish without a defense are doing so due to external factors; in this case, I believe scum and/or scum buddies are hopping off the wagon. I want to test this hypothesis, given that it's D1 and we don't have anything better to go on yet. Maybe OTU is just inexperienced. I'm willing to bet a D1 lynch that it'll teach us several things about other players, even if we are wrong/being misled here.

So yes, I do think he's worth today's lynch. I don't see you proposing an alternative.

[Mr. Flay]

This is the second time OTU is at lynch-2, I want a claim. No more stalling.

I didn't realize we were under a deadline. Raffles, I'm not trying to implicate you in any sort of Machiavellian plot, I just want people to ascribe to SOMETHING so that we have something to go on for D2.

[Mr. Flay]

Three of OTU's last four posts since 3/25 have been "oops, maybe later" stalling tactics. I'm pretty sure he's scum, but even if not, I want him to vote for someone in addition to the claim. I need information, damnit!

I do NOT want him replaced. We'll just have to restart this whole stupid discussion, because several players will give the replacement a pass on OTU's behavior. If we must deadline lynch an inactive to get information and move the game forward, so be it.

[Mr. Flay]

The first "Mafia Vs. Wolves" game modded by Phoebus:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=528

[Mr. Flay]

My vote won't be moving before the deadline, unless someone melts down unexpectedly.

IH: Also would like your thoughts on al4xz's hypocrisy.

[Mr. Flay]

To reiterate my lost post: I believe ESE is a cult of sadomasochists, and that is all that al4zx's "Uncle", "he could help himself", and the like is about. I don't believe they are the Werewolves or the Mafia, and I believe this is also responsible for the "delay between deadline and dawn".

I'm more curious about why any scum group would target him though; is it possible al4zx targeted scum and that's why he died? If so, that would mean probably two other roleblockers/doctors, which would be a good setup with so many anti-town groups IMO.

[Mr. Flay]

So he'd be the Werewolves' kill, and the Mafia's probably failed.

Except that I'd never expect Werewolves to kill by strangulation, you know? Ripping out the windpipe, sure...

I don't see why the idea of a Cult is so difficult for some people. Multiple scum groups actually decreases their effectiveness, because of the high risk of crosskills.

The big question is, who of whatever allegiance had motivation to kill al4?

[Mr. Flay]

Raffles doth protest too much.

Vote: Raffles

XreyoX, you're going to have to be more specific than that fishing expedition. Many of us

did

give our reasons...

[Mr. Flay]

XReyoX: You also missed that I asked him to vote for someone, repeatedly, so we could see who he was suspicious of. And he explicitly posted 3 times without claiming, but stalling/"having difficulty".

Here's a counterpoint to XReyoX's reason count, which is what I was hoping to get out of even a townie lynch of the supremely unhelpful OTU (bold are new voters, struck people are unvoters, obviously):
03/12/07 Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Raffles
03/13/07

DrippingGoofball

, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Raffles
03/15/07

Battle Mage

, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Raffles
03/16/07 Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Raffles
03/18/07 Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Raffles
03/21/07 Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin,

Mr Flay, remussaidow

, Raffles
03/23/07

al4xz

, Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay,

PBuG

, remussaidow, Raffles
03/25/07 al4xz, Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, PBuG, remussaidow, Raffles
03/26/07

al4xz

, Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, PBuG, remussaidow, Raffles - just unvoted
03/27/07 Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu,

Kison

, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, PBuG, remussaidow, Raffles
03/30/07 Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Kison, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, PBuG, remussaidow, Raffles
04/02/07 Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu,

Kison

, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay,

PBuG

, remussaidow, Raffles - both went to the remussaidow wagon
04/03/07 Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay,

PBuG

, remussaidow,

Scarecrow

,

Raffles

- just unvoted
04/03/07 Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, PBuG, remussaidow, Scarecrow,

al4xz, theopor_COD

04/07/07 Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, PBuG, remussaidow, Scarecrow, al4xz, theopor_COD,

IH

- HAMMER!

The most suspicious votes to me here are MoS, Raffles, and Scarecrow. MoS somewhat because his second vote just happened to stay throughout the entire Day; Scarecrow because he voted with no commentary/reasons after being prodded, which ensured our deadline lynch could go through. But Raffles' unvote as the deadline loomed is scummy to me in the "oh crap I'm gonna lynch a townie" sense, his reasoning for hopping off is confused, and this gem of a post:

OTU has disappeared at most crucial of times...

I'm not there to place the hammer when the deadline comes I'm afraid, someone else needs to do that.

pointed out earlier by Fuldu earlier, is just creepy. "Somebody else please hammer this person I unvoted so they can get blamed for it and not me!"

Combine that with his distancing from al4 today, and I say we've got another ESE member.

[Mr. Flay]

Too Townie is the logical fallacy of suspecting someone for acting to much in the town's interest.

I continue to maintain that Raffles is either a terrible player or ESE. I will stake my game-life on it being the latter. There's WAY too many assumptions going down in this game with respect to flavor, night scene, etc. "Retired Cop" isn't a standardized role any more than "Godfather" is.

The Wiki is Not God

(and when I say that, it means something!).

Tomorrow I believe it will be time to look at some other other 'confused' souls with respect to the al4zx's death. Today, though, Raffles.

::edit while posting::

WoT = Wheel of Time, a large theme game from last year.

[Mr. Flay]

This is all very interesting, but I'd like to see more people participating in the discussion. Back-and-forth between a few players does very little to help us find scum later.

Raffles, it's not so much that you weren't sure OTU wasn't scum as that you

still wanted him lynched by somebody

(but not you) despite that doubt. I think you're panicking today, which makes me think we're right. This is orthagonal to the ESE/Mafia/Cult discussion, which is highly speculative, except for the part where you've opposed vehemently the possibility until now.

[Mr. Flay]

I don't know, I didn't say I agreed with his statement. I was just pointing out that, yes, scum DO know more than protown players, in general.

I was trying to point out that scum do not always know much more than town. Especially in this game. The 2 groups doesn't know each other. They know the other people who are in their team but the rest could be towns, could be scums.

Some of us aer arguing that Raffles is the ESE Cult Leader. A Cult Leader is a particularly valuable role to his faction, because without his recruiting ability, the Cult has almost no chance of winning (they end up like an anti-town Mason group/SK with no Night Kill). So if Raffles thought his voting for OTU (who he knew was not in his Cult, and on D1 most likely a town mislynch) would draw fire tomorrow, he may have tried to back off.

And Raffles: No worries, I'm only staking my life

in this game

, not my entire career *cough*LoudmouthLee*cough*.

[Mr. Flay]

As for second point, I think I had that confused with Mr. Flay's sytem.

My system of what?

Also, power roles are often (but not always) unrecruitable by cults.

I do agree with DGB on one thing: I think XReyoX is playing a much better game today. The charitable interpretation of this is that he is learn on his second Day on MafiaScum. The suspicious interpretation is that he's been coached at night. For now, I'm content to think the former,

especially

if Raffles turns out scum.

[Mr. Flay]

You're omitting the part of that post that gives it healthy context: Raffles was simultaneously asking for someone else to cast a lynch-ensuring vote while unvoting himself. That's the part that tips it over the edge; that, and as someone else mentioned, there was nothing OTU

did

in that time frame to make anyone any less suspicious of him.

I've got no opinion about DGB at this point, except that it's nice to see her posting again. We've still got too many silent partners in this game, and I don't see anything out of the ordinary in MoS's or DGB's behavior at this point.

[Mr. Flay]

It's unbelievable to me that 7 or 8 of us have produced virtually all of the content in the last four pages. Wizardcat hasn't posted since

March 24th

. ~N9V~ hasn't posted since Day 2 started! I hope Phoebus is still looking for more replacements... this sort of stuff drives me insane.

IH, Akbar, bird1111, PBuG, a little input here???

[Mr. Flay]

MoS, WTH? Is that a roundabout accusation of Akbar defending Shanba?

That was a hell of an opening post from Shanba. It throws suspicion right left and center, which makes me thing 'newbie' before 'scum', but he did replace remus, which is worth transferring a little suspicion. Might be a second choice lynch, but I'd still rather resolve the Raffles thing. Raffles has been weird both days, and the logic has been crazy, when evident at all.

[Mr. Flay]

Trust me on this, MoS: Battle Mage can be that annoying in any game situation, it may have nothing to do with a hidden agenda. Ask Stoofer after the game is over.

That said, BM's craplogic doesn't help us today, but I still prefer Raffles for today's lynch. Where is everyone else?

[Mr. Flay]

Mod, Vote Count? I think Raffles is at 5, BM at 4, and MoS at 3, but I'm not positive.

I'm liking Akbar/Shanba (formerly remus) for a scum pair right now. That single vote Akbar threw on Shanba for a while that didn't gain any traction, then switching opportunistically to

the kicked puppy

Battle Mage, reeks to me. PBuG and IH too, frankly.

DGB's defense of BM is noted, but I think it's just because they're both certifiably insane , not because they're a scumpair. Maybe.

[Mr. Flay]

@Mr. Flay
I don't think your paying attention to my posts. The question is are you doing it intentionally. Don't you find it ironic that your alleged distancing theory didn't surface till Shanba replaced Remus? Right now I'm suspicious of BM, DGB, and Shanba. But, its not going to do us much good if a majority doesn't agree.

In fairness, I didn't go back and look at your earlier posts about remus when I posted that; having done so now, your behavior with remus was much less weird in my view, so the connection is weaker. Shanba, you are the less scummy of the pair to me right now, at least as regards the pairing. Individually, you're both somewhere in my middle range.

If your so convinced BM is a bad lynch, then state your reasons for thinking he's town. Don't just throw some colorful analogy out there trying to solicit a response from the crowd. And would you mind going back to the "scum jumping on the fat kid" analogy you used for XReyoX's wagon. I don't kick puppies.

I did state my reasons, to wit, that people are 'beating up' on Battle Mage because he's not very articulate, not a good player, etc. Granted, it's easy for those types of players to play off their scumtells as inexperience, I've just got better targets today. It's a tough part of this game, the difference between Bad Town and Bad Scum. But I don't think Battle Mage is doing anything anti-town, he's just overreacting and annoying people.

[Mr. Flay]

I believe I will be taking over moderation of this game from Phoebus shortly

, as soon as I get the roles. Please continue to bear with me in that regard (yes I know I was a player, but I've been dead a long time).

[Mr. Flay]

Okay, I've got roles from Phoebus, so here's that lynch scene you've been eagerly awaiting!

6: theopor_COD (Thok, Kison, Akbar, The Greg, The Fonz, Battle Mage)

1: Raffles (theopor_COD)

4: Not Voting (Raffles, PBuG, Lowell, Fuldu)

---

theopor_COD was lynched by the group, including Battle Mage coming back from his sabbatical to jump up and down on the lever of the gallows until it finally gave way. Good thing, too, since theo's hands were dirty as sin.

[Mr. Flay]

theopor_COD - Butler at the Estate - Banished - Day 5

Night choice deadline: Monday the 24th, 2300 GMT.

There may be a delay of dawn, if I have to prod too many people, so please even if you do not have a night choice, send me a "I'm still here!" PM...

[Mr. Flay]

As you head to your homes for night, you realize that Kison is stumbling and weaving. Concern sets in - is he drunk? Ill? Fascination mingles with horror, as the crowd stands paralyzed by indecision, watching the spectacle.

Kison

's stumbling increased as he wandered down the road toward his house, finally crashing into a post and falling on his back, gasping and rattling his breath. Clawing at his throat, he died without ever saying what was wrong...

Kison - Witch - Dropped Dead - Day 5

[Mr. Flay]

Celtic18 replaces Fuldu.
ThAdmiral replaces PBuG.
Tarhalindur replaces Raffles.

[Mr. Flay]

Lowell's predictions and pronouncements fell on deaf ears, but will be heard no more. It's awfully difficult to give sage advice when you lack a tongue... or a larynx... or fingers...

Lowell - Gypsy - Eaten - Night 5

It is now Day Six; with eight left alive, five votes will be needed to lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

First Vote Count of Day Six:

3: Battle Mage (Thok, Akbar, The Fonz)

5: Not Voting (Tarhalindur, ThAdmiral, Celtic18, The Greg, Battle Mage)

With eight alive, five votes will lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

Final Vote Count of Day Six:

5: Battle Mage (Thok, Akbar, The Fonz, Tarhalindur, ThAdmiral)

3: Not Voting (Celtic18, The Greg, Battle Mage)

---

Battle Mage knew that the jig was up. People in the village had never trusted him, since he lived on the edge of town and did the thankless work of grinding the grain. Did he grind up other things there as well? A search turns up nothing but a loner's lifestyle...

Battle Mage - Miller - Banished - Day Six

It is now Night Six; please get all choices in by the end of Tuesday, Oct. 2nd.

[Mr. Flay]

Setael replaces Celtic18/Fuldu.
Fritzler replaces The Greg/spectrumvoid.

[Mr. Flay]

The seven of you awake on the seventh day... is it your lucky day? Apparently, because no one has died over the course of the night.

It is now Day Seven; with seven alive, four votes will be needed to lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

First Vote Count of Day Seven:

2: Setael (ThAdmiral, Akbar)

1: ThAdmiral (Setael)

4: Not Voting (Thok, The Fonz, Tarhalindur, Fritzler)

With seven alive, four votes will be sufficient to lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

Final Vote Count of Day Seven:

4: Setael (ThAdmiral, Akbar, Thok)

1: ThAdmiral (Setael)

3: Not Voting (The Fonz, Tarhalindur, Fritzler)

---

Thok's persuasive argument convinces the town, and they almost immediately lead Setael to the gallows, without even waiting for the broader consensus. In the end, the body of the Master of the Estate swings in the breeze as the sun sets.

Setael - Lucius Lovato - Lynched - Day 7

It is now Night 7; please get your role choices in to me by the end of Tuesday, October 9th.

[Mr. Flay]

A full night's rest, and the day looks brighter... brighter still for still seeing everyone in the morning that went to bed last night.

No one died - Night 7.

It is now Day Eight; with six alive, it will take four votes to lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

First Vote Count of Day Eight:

1: Tarhalindur (Thok)

5: Not Voting (The Fonz, ThAdmiral, Akbar, Tarhalindur, Fritzler)

With six alive, it will take four votes to lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

Last Vote Count of Day Eight:

4: Tarhalindur (Thok, The Fonz, Fritzler, ThAdmiral)

2: Not Voting (Akbar, Tarhalindur)

---

Tarhalindur's death brings little light and even less joy to the town's fortunes. It appears that he was naught but a humble blacksmith, and a good citizen of the town.

Tarhalindur - Blacksmith - Lynched - Day 8

It is now Night 8; please get choices to me by the end of Wednesday, Oct. 17th.

[Mr. Flay]

You all wake to find that you all wake. Curious at the implications, you go out in the town square to decide what your next course of action will be...

No one died Night 6.

It is now Day Nine; with 5 alive, 3 votes will be enough to lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

Fritzler and ThAdmiral have been prodded

, in the interest of keeping things moving here...

[Mr. Flay]

Prodded several the other day, but will do so again...

[Mr. Flay]

Kakeng replaces Akbar effective immediately.

With that, the last original player still alive is gone from this game...

[Mr. Flay]

First Vote Count of Day Nine:

No one!

5: Not Voting (Akbar, Thok, The Fonz, Fritzler, ThAdmiral)

With five alive, it will take three votes to lynch.

However since posting has come to a complete standstill, you are now

deadlined for Friday, Nov. 16th

; per Phoebus' original rule #7, you must

still have three voters to lynch

, since there are less than six players alive. Either way, Day Nine will end; this deadline can be extended if posting

really

picks up...

[Mr. Flay]

Mod

can Kakeng be prodded?

Done.

[Mr. Flay]

*sigh* I can't say at present whether or not he's read his prod. However the deadline will not be moved unless I actually have to replace him.

[Mr. Flay]

Second Vote Count of Day Nine:

Kakeng - 1 (The Fonz)

4: Not Voting (Kakeng, Thok, Fritzler, ThAdmiral)

With five alive, it will take three votes to lynch.

A

deadline for the end of Friday, Nov. 16th is still in effect

; per Phoebus' original rule #7, you must

still have three voters to lynch

, since there are less than six players alive. Either way, Day Nine will end.

[Mr. Flay]

Third Vote Count of Day Nine:

Kakeng - 2 (The Fonz, Thok)

3: Not Voting (Kakeng, Fritzler, ThAdmiral)

With five alive, it will take three votes to lynch.

A deadline is still in effect for just under 24 hours from this post; per Phoebus' original rule #7, you must

still have three voters to lynch

, since there are less than six players alive.

I have prodded all non-posting players with this information as well.

[Mr. Flay]

Indeed.

Final Vote Count of Day Nine:

Kakeng - 3 (The Fonz, Thok, ThAdmiral)

2: Not Voting (Kakeng, Fritzler)

Kakeng, Doctor/Lycanthrope, was lynched Day Nine.

Town wins!

Finally;

man

was this an irritating game to try to wrap up. Most of you had basically figured it out, but certain factors (like the limited reveal upon death, and the Lycanthropes' kill mechanism) were seriously giving you doubts. And then I had to

replace

the final scum...!

Anyway, roles and as much of the night actions as I have to come. As one might imagine, the post-count graph for this game is rather...

painful

:

[Mr. Flay]

Mafia

Fuldu is Lucius Lovato, the owner of the Lovato mansion in the picturesque village of Lupieri. He is also the Godfather of your little group.

Fuldu has an investigation immunity, due to his high standing in society. No one will bother digging up his records to check up on him. He is also responsible for sending in night choices and his choice will overrule any others.

Bird1111 is Gloria, Lucius’ mistress. He’ already buried three wives and you have no intention of being the fourth – wife or burial. You live in sin and frolic in sin as well, doing your evil deeds in Lupieri. Should Fuldu “snuff it”, you will take over the duties of sending in a choice.

Theopor_COD is Mario the butler. You’re also Signor Lovato’s consigliere and number 2 in line to take over night choices should something bad happen to your higher ups.

Mr. Flay is Giorgio, the gardener. Other than keeping the Lovato mansion spick and span, you do odd jobs for your employer, including using handy horticultural poisons in getting rid of human “pests”. Your employment depends on those higher than you surviving, but should all of them become unable to make a choice due to a higher power interfering, you will take over the Family business.

You win when your numbers are equal to or greater than those of the town.

I was part of this group at first, if you remember back that far - when the first kills came up without alignment reveal, I took advantage of that to sow confusion regarding E.S.E. (who I really did think might be a Cult, in fairness). Mafia killed al4zx N1, mneme N2, MoS N3, ~N9V~ N4, and were blocked N5 and N6, I believe.

Wolves

OverTheUnder and MastermindofSin, you form the second titular parts of this production.
You are the werewolves.

OTU is Elton, a cop who had to give up his day job once (both) his night time activities were discovered. After all, nobody wants to have a nasty old werewolf for a colleague, do they? And then, society is rather too homophobic these days as well. When will that change??

MoS is John, a doc who was quite popular with his female patients until his lycanthropy put them straight into body bags from the ER.

Both of you fled from your old city to the rural climes of Italy, trying to put your unhappy past behind you. Luckily for you, in these rustic parts, you came across an apothecary who claimed to have a recipe for a potion called Wolfsbane. This was supposed to combat the effects of Lycanthropy – going as far as to claim that a person drinking this potion would not transform at all, during a full moon.
Much to your surprise, it works.

Every night, one of you can choose to remain in human form and perform your own past job i.e. investigating someone (OTU can do this) or protecting someone (MoS can do this). When one of you drinks wolfsbane, the other must kill. You have to feed, after all.
The same person may not choose to remain human two nights in a row.
You may choose not to use wolfsbane. There are no benefits to this, it’s like deciding not to use your powers.

You win when your numbers are greater than or equal to the town.

MoS may not protect himself but there are no restrictions against protecting your partner.

Please converse only at night and send me transcripts of your convos as I like to follow my player’s thoughts.

Happy hunting.

I screwed up once with this group; they should not have been able to have the same person use the Wolfsbane twice in a row to stay human (MoS, I think). I missed that line until later, and so did the wolves, apparently... also, they had a bizarre kill mechanism. They got two chances to bite and convert someone - to make up for their small number. they forfeited the kill that night, but only certain people could be recruited (not scum and not witches, from what I can tell). My own death at the end of the Day was due to an attempted recruitment - so was Kison's. Akbar was recruited, which was a good thing when OTU died D1 and MoS ended up dying N3. Still, they were amazingly lucky to make it as far as they did, in light of what the town had in the way of powers. Wolves bit me N1 (unsuccessful recruit), bit Akbar N2, ate Shanba N3, bit Kison N4 (unsuccessful recruit), and then ate Lowell N5. Akbar opted to use his Doctor powers N6 & N7 to avoid Witch detection, and then tried to eat Thok N8 but was blocked...by Thok!

Masons

Al4xz, spectrumvoid and Wizardcat, you are the members of the Esoteric Society of Erotica, a very special and secret community within Lupieri. You are not at liberty to disclose the nature of your meetings but others are free to use their imaginations.
Your society is so esoteric, that you don’t know each other’s real names, knowing only your lodge names but they may not be revealed to anyone, even to me.

You may discuss the game at night and you all know each other as being innocent.

You win with the town.

PBuG, you are Hilda and Kison is your sister, Zelda.
You are the local chapter of the region’s witches’ coven.

Your powers/choices are as follows.

You have an inventory of 12 items.
6 of these are objects imbued with magical powers, but not having made them yourselves, you don’t quite know what they do. Something should happen – just give someone an object and see what happens.

These objects are:

A) The shrunken head of a West African native
B) A broom of the finest cypress around for miles.
C) A bottle of toads' eyes pickled in bat bile
D) A rabbit minus the lucky feet
E) A white cat in a wicker basket, all set with a pretty pink ribbon
F) A pentacle drawn in blood on wolfshide

The remaining six objects are spells. These are:

A) The Almighty Orb of Awareness
B) The Novel Potion of Numbness
C) The Pristine Scroll of Protest
D) The Splendid Charm of Sunset
E) The Wily Incantation of Youth
F) The Hefty Rune of Hardiness

These spells were given to you by your fellow witches but they were naughty and while their names hint at their powers, their actual effects are unknown to you.

Every night, you can choose to give one item off each list to one person.
No person may receive more than one item each night.
So you can choose to give one person a spell and another person an item on one night.
You can choose to give only one item or one spell to only one person.
You can choose to not give anyone anything at all on any night.

If you choose not to spread the magic, one of you can choose to go up flying on your broom, while the other does witchy stuff at home. The sister who decides to go flying, will be able to see anyone and everyone who is out and about that night.

You can communicate with each other only at night.
Please send me your conversations as I like to follow the thoughts of my players.

The witches'

items

were all useless; the spells had the following effects if used:
A) The Almighty Orb of Awareness - double caster's vote the next day
B) The Novel Potion of Numbness - to be used on someone by the receiver. the target would get blocked
C) The Pristine Scroll of Protest - block post of recipient of scroll i.e. target of witches
D) The Splendid Charm of Sunset - kill recipient (witch choice) when cast
E) The Wily Incantation of Youth - investigate one person on night cast

I rolled a number for each person out and about, other than the witches. If it came up 1-3 they were told they saw something flying. 4-6 would tell them it looked like a witch. 7-8 would tell them the general neighbourhood in which a witch landed which would include the actual witch's name and two others. 9 and 10 would reveal the witch's identity to the watcher.

Cop

~N9V~, you are Harold, the magistrate of Lupieri. Send me the name of one person per night and I shall tell you whether they are mafia or not.

You win when all the evil forces from this town are gone.

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Doc

Akbar, you are Guillermo the village healer. You have the skills to tend to any human inflected wounds like bullet wounds, stab wounds and you can even combat most common poisons. You, however, have not yet managed to cure the wounds of the supernatural. However, you still strive to do your best for mankind.

Send me one name per night and you may get the chance to save them from human attack. You may not protect yourself.

You win when all the evil is gone.

Please confirm by return PM.

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Silversmith

DrippingGoofball, you are Marielle, the silversmith of Lupieri.
Silver bullets are rumoured to kill werewolves. This is mostly unsubstantiated but perhaps the wolves are not clever enough to figure this out or perhaps clever enough, not to want to risk the veracity of this claim. As a result, you are safe from wolf attack.
However, with local consumption being normal, but silver supply being cut off from the nearest big town, you only have two more batches of silver left. Once this is over, your protection from the wolves may get over.

You do not do anything at night but hope and pray that no harm befalls you.

You win when the town is victorious.

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Mayor

IH, you are Theodore, the mayor of Lupieri. One of the most distinguished townspeople, you have your share of jealous enemies but that does has not stopped you from becoming mayor for five terms in a row. Of course, your deep pockets may also help there but that’s not something we talk about, is it?

Anyway, you do nothing at night, vote during the days and win with the good people.

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Miller

Battle Mage, you are Artur, the miller in Lupieri.
Despite people avoiding you for your coarse language and character, and despite knowing to do shady deals for a little gold, the good of the town is still the aim of your heart.

You win when the town does. No night choice.

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Vigilante

Remussaidow, you’re Willem, the village strongman, and the person to whom everyone turns to, in times of need. The pillar of strength that you are, you can perhaps be forgiven and even maybe applauded for taking the law in your own hands.

If you choose to do so, you can submit a name to me. You will strangle this person at night. Your choice is not mandatory and I will not wait for you to confirm whether you wish to use your choice or not. So, please be sure to get in your choice well before deadline, should you wish to use it.

You win when the evil is extinguished from Lupieri.

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Seer

Der Hammer, you are Cassandra, the gypsy. While the villagers don’t much appreciate your company for long, they let you hang around on the outskirts of the village and keep a wary eye on you when you go to the village centre for any work.
Your profession, that of a fortune teller, is considered to be a con by many but you know you have Second Sight and you will use it to help the town.

Use your crystal ball every night and send me the name of one person, predicting their lynch the next day. If your choice happens to be the lynch of the next day, you will be immune from death the next night.

For example, if on night 1, you choose X as your choice and X is lynched on day 2, then on night 2, you will be immune from death.

You win with the ungrateful villagers, when all evil is dead.

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Blocker

XReyoX, you are Milo the village lout. You drink so much that people prefer to avoid your company.
Each night, you can choose to annoy one person. Send me their name and in their efforts to avoid interacting with you, they will give up their business and go home. Thus they will not perform a night action if they have one.

You may choose not to pester anyone if you like. In which case, please send me a PM saying that you wish not to block anyone. If you don’t send a choice by deadline, it will be forfeit.

You win with the sober town.

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Blacksmith

Raffles, you are the village Blacksmith, Umberto. It’s your job to fashion implements, weapons and protection for the villagers. However, your daily chores exhaust you that you can’t quite run around giving people your products at night.

You have no night choice and win with the town.

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Baker

Scarecrow, you are Giselle, the local baker.
You are scared only for yourself and your existence – being the baker, you can’t quite do much to help the town other than use your sharp wits and your vote.
You sleep at night and do nothing.

You win with the town.

Nothing terribly surprising in the rest of the roles, as far as I can tell.

Questions? I don't know everything, because Phoebus' communications were a little disjointed, but that should explain most of what happened/didn't happen...

[Mr. Flay]

Oh, and I really did have a post restriction when I was bit/failed recruited, which drove me nuts...essentially it was 20 or 25 posts total, with a decreasing number of words allowed in each group of 5. I tried to ration my posts, then screwed up on the last one and posted what should have been two messages, going over my limit.

Phoebus docked me one post, but I took advantage of that to just clam up for the rest of the day, figuring I could point to my post restriction the next day as reason for my sudden silence. Then I died at the end of the day, and BOY was I mad about that... I actually had already messaged my partners with what had happened, before Phoebus posted that I dropped dead. Kudos to them for ignoring that tidbit of information, as I'm sure they did...

[Mr. Flay]

We (the Mafia) had roles that other people could take over? As far as I can tell, the only thing that transferred was kill choice.

But yes, overall I agree with you, Town had the best chance, then Mafia, then Wolves.

[Mr. Flay]

and the gardener's ability to mess up kill methods.

I had the ability to mess up kills? That's news to me...

What happened with N9V's investigation of IH?

I actually don't know, because Phoebus' notes on already-dead players were sketchy. I'm assuming that investigating a Miller, he got Guilty.

[Mr. Flay]

mod-confirmed innocent scum mason???

Since the Wolves had used up both their bites before I took over, Phoebus didn't tell me who they could and couldn't recruit successfully (actually, it looks like they got three chances, even still). I'm guessing the mod-confirmed Mason-ESEers might have been excluded...

[Mr. Flay]

Sorry, my notes from yesterday didn't include the fact that IH was a secret Miller, in addition to BM being a public Miller.

Also, as far as I can tell, the only Mafia member with any powers was the GF who was investigation-immune.