NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Nachomamma8 · Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:34 am

In post 5332, Baezu wrote:AK and desp are null to scum. I know bulba is at L-1 but I'm not sure I want to hammer.

you could not hammer but instead vote someone you think is actually scum
like rena

Nachomamma8 · Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:36 am

In post 5289, Bulbazak wrote:We have 8 days before deadline. I'm in no hurry to move my vote. Let's talk.

6 days before deadline and no additional people have promised to lynch Nero Cain with you.
While if you come over here we can have Thad, Baezu and Amethyst Kitty and actually get a lynch. How much longer are you going to try to push your vanity wagon through?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:01 am

In post 5308, Rena wrote:If I'm no lynched today: hey dude, if you're a town PR who blocked me, don't do that again? x.x I'm pretty sure KK targetted ThAd anyway and thats why neither of us could action.

after this?
i can't call it a rayfrost read but it's pretty damn close.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:19 am

In post 5217, CrashTextDummie wrote:
In post 5204, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5199, CrashTextDummie wrote:To my knowledge, Rena hasn't done anything heinous either (except under-contribute, which in her case is more likely the result of her never really getting into the game but sticking around because she drew a PR, than of her being scum, in my opinion).
You don't have a problem with her saying that she was getting suspicious of me because of the cases against me and then being completely unable to come close to summarizing any of the cases against me?
Hm. I suppose the implication here is that she's fabricating reads/inventing reasons to suspect people and I can see that. It's hard to picture this coming from a pro-town mindset and I concede that it's a point against her.

This being multiball, she shouldn't have to invent reasons to suspect people as scum. It does look like bullshitting though, and that's more likely coming from scum not giving much of a shit than from town not giving much of a shit.

Still don't think she should be lynched today, as she's keeping ThAd from being messed with either way.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:49 am

In post 5341, Nero Cain wrote:You have a scum read on this slot now?

No.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:24 am

Bulbazak, has Rena produced any valuable information? No. And watchers are strong as fuck. Do you really think it's that impossible for a different investigative role not to have any valuable information at this point if one even exists?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:35 am

In post 5357, Baezu wrote:Nacho is scummy for trying to push lynches, like the latest one:

yes i'm trying to push lynches
it's a very important part of the game.

In post 5365, CrashTextDummie wrote:The alternative theory in which Rena is scum is that her own team blocked ThAd, in which case her claim to have targeted him herself with no result makes no sense at all, for similar reasons. All theories involving Rena-scum basically assume that she's falling on her own sword for no apparent reason, and I really don't see why this is supposed to be more likely than scenarios that have KK in the mix and allow for her to be town.

And I suppose there's also the possibility that there is no scum roleblocker and ThAd/Bulbazak got jailkept and after Rena saw ThAd's kill not go through Rena thought that she would be safe to claim that she was blocked based on her understanding of how jailkeepers work re: #5311.

In post 5375, PeregrineV wrote:In 15 days, let's sum up your scumhunting:
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
from 37 posts.

So, make a significant contribution or get vigged.

Your voting history was three votes long at the time of the votecount you quoted. Mine is two long, and many others have shorter VCH's.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:37 am

In post 5379, mastin2 wrote:4 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes.

and still no one wants to join the nero cain wagon
pv, what the fuck are you doing?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:22 am

That was directed at Bulbazak.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:50 am

Vote: Seanald

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:24 am

Yeah. I can let Rena go until tomorrow and I'm starting to have paranoid flashes of her being herpaderp town.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:30 pm

Yes. CTD provided a solid point that I am going full circle into crazy town in order to get a lynch that isn't even my #1. Although to be honest, I see Bulbazak's paranoia in Rena getting lynched and fighting against it versus me who has been his knight in shining armor for a little while now is looking pretty fucking town at this point, considering that if she's on his team defending the fuck out of her is going to make her look horrible and if she isn't he's just bringing himself closer to the grave by not pushing the only viable bandwagon by miles.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:33 am

In post 5469, penguin_alien wrote:...so we have a doctor + a JK in the game? Mm-hm. Not buying it. Especially with the lack of declared targets. Desperado, any indication in your neighborhood exchanges that this is possibly true?

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Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:01 am

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(real hammer request please)

Nachomamma8 · Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:32 pm

In post 5494, ThAdmiral wrote:Yeah there pretty much has to be one scum out of ctd/pere.

and his name is pere!

In post 5496, ffullisade wrote:also why did baezu sub in if all he is going to do is immediately go on v/la and try to lurk out the rest of the game?

no

bacde wasn't scum, trust me

Nachomamma8 · Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:32 pm

VOTE: PEREGRINEV

Nachomamma8 · Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:34 pm

In post 5509, CrashTextDummie wrote:Nacho acknowledging that he was making a terrible push against Rena doesn't really mitigate the fact that he was making a terrible push against Rena, but the way half the wagon followed him onto Seanald like a flock of sheep makes him not the worst offender on this list.

sorry ctd i was a bad kid
thank you for taking me off of that shitwagon, that was a nice favor you did for me there
now let me do you a favor
bulbazak isn't scum
bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him mastin coughs blood

Nachomamma8 · Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:41 pm

In post 5071, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5065, Bulbazak wrote:but if you can get a Seanald wagon going, I'll gladly switch. Which reminds me...
What do you think of Rena/Peregrine?

In post 5335, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5289, Bulbazak wrote:We have 8 days before deadline. I'm in no hurry to move my vote. Let's talk.
6 days before deadline and no additional people have promised to lynch Nero Cain with you.
While if you come over here we can have Thad, Baezu and Amethyst Kitty and actually get a lynch. How much longer are you going to try to push your vanity wagon through?

In post 5347, Nachomamma8 wrote:Bulbazak, has Rena produced any valuable information? No. And watchers are strong as fuck. Do you really think it's that impossible for a different investigative role not to have any valuable information at this point if one even exists?

In post 5389, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5379, mastin2 wrote:4 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes.
and still no one wants to join the nero cain wagon
pv, what the fuck are you doing?

I appealed to Bulbazak so many fucking times yesterday, CTD. While Bulbazak was getting death tunneled by pretty much half of the town, I begged the shit out of him to please please vote Rena with me. Please, Bulbazak, just vote Rena with me. Bulbazak, like the good fucking townie he is, told me that he didn't give a shit about my begging and pleading and (correctly!) told me thousands and thousands of times that fuck that he was going to attack Nero until Nero died. He told me that he would join a SEANALD wagon if one appeared, but he wouldn't join my Rena wagon. Tell me what scum wouldn't jump on the Rena wagon with the perfect fucking excuse to. None of them. Do you think he was really that eager to protect the Mafia doctor? OK. Then why the hell didn't he protect the mafia doctor and lynch the watcher?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:42 pm

also if bluescum dies that isn't a roleblocker, ThAd dies immediately.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:54 pm

In post 5523, penguin_alien wrote:Which of these reads takes priority for you, Nacho? Or are they not mutually exclusive?

ThAd read takes priority; doesn't make sense for redscum to have two killstoppers or for bluescum to have two roleblockers, so if we kill bluescum and there's no roleblockers, then ThAd dies instantly. The reads aren't necessarily mutually exclusive: if PV flips redscum, I'll be extremely suspicious of ThAd. If PV flips bluescum then I'd rather sort out the other blue before sorting Thad, if that makes sense.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:13 pm

Because 10 scum at the beginning of the game seems a bit excessive.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:56 am

In post 5583, ffullisade wrote:
In post 5582, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 5581, Nachomamma8 wrote:Because 10 scum at the beginning of the game seems a bit excessive.
It does to me too. I'm just wondering why you're thinking 2 teams of 4 instead of 2 teams of 3.
^^^^

6 scum would be the normal for one team. I'm guessing there will be more scum because multiball.

In post 5612, Bulbazak wrote:he's in a neighborhood with a vig.?

This has been discussed and the speculation here is useless.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:13 am

In post 5528, PeregrineV wrote:Refute it.

We don't know if the same team shot Thor and Kublai Khan. I wouldn't be that convinced even if that was the case because both were protown and highly regarded as town at the time of their deaths.

In post 5578, Bulbazak wrote:I didn't like the way you pushed me yesterday. Your primary reason was that you thought I was scum partners with Nero and that we were distancing from each other. Yet, with your primary case on Nero, you were voting for me instead. Later, you said that you still thought Nero was scum, but that we were not partners. However, you still kept your vote on me. All your reasons for voting me yesterday were repeatedly countered, yet you continued to push them almost out of desperation.

You expected CTD to vote the person without a wagon on them...?

In post 5578, Bulbazak wrote:I also feel that my initial gut read of the massclaim suggestion was correct in that it was rolefishing.

He does this every game, this is wrong.

In post 5584, Human Destroyer wrote:a) know he was a vig before he claimed it (didn't he claim like Day 3 or something? I could be wrong on this)

You're doing an awful lot of reading.

Ffery, I'm extremely uncomfortable with HD at this point.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:17 pm

In post 5493, ThAdmiral wrote:I shot hd last night. I was blocked again, obviously, but this time it didn't cost me one of my x-shots. So I guess I was blocked in a different way?

In post 5664, mastin2 wrote:By my interpretation, any X-shot role being roleblocked will not lose their shot, vigilantes included.

By my interpretation, a vigilante shooting at someone being protected expends their bullet.

thad = scum arguments officially make no fucking sense whatsoever

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:21 pm

Vote: Human Destroyer

ffullisade, with me!

Nachomamma8 · Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:49 pm

In post 5693, ffullisade wrote:In both of her town games, she looked unsure, hesitant, and kinda looking around for a direction to take. In her scum game she looked more confident. Compare the cases she made in her scum game to her cases in her town game. And to here.

It's like the difference between town you and scum you sometimes. Not as much *lately*, but. Plus Bacde was incredibly fucking town how can you say anything else???

Nachomamma8 · Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:34 am

In post 5699, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5697, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5693, ffullisade wrote:In both of her town games, she looked unsure, hesitant, and kinda looking around for a direction to take. In her scum game she looked more confident. Compare the cases she made in her scum game to her cases in her town game. And to here.
It's like the difference between town you and scum you sometimes. Not as much *lately*, but. Plus Bacde was incredibly fucking town how can you say anything else???
ahahahaha

no

if you don't have a witty retort, then don't say anything at all

Nachomamma8 · Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:41 am

In post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man

I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it

I can't handle all these walls

This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?

oh hey this is why hd suspects bacde
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up

Nachomamma8 · Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:04 pm

In post 5704, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5702, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man

I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it

I can't handle all these walls

This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?
oh hey this is why hd suspects bacde
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up
this was around the time where my posting was sparse due to me being busy

the fact that he chose to compliment this supposed "playstyle" combined with the fact that he always tries to get on my good side when he's scum is sus as fuck

he complimented your playstyle and that is scummy? why?

meanwhile, you town against bacde scum:
Gonzo Mafia - Called you town, buddied up to you a little.

Banjo Kazooie - Had you claim after him, no other interaction.

So what do you mean, he always tries to get on your good sign when he's scum?

Soft pushed you until he had to convince you were town in the face of a cop guilty.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:06 pm

In post 5704, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5702, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man

I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it

I can't handle all these walls

This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?
oh hey this is why hd suspects bacde
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up
this was around the time where my posting was sparse due to me being busy

the fact that he chose to compliment this supposed "playstyle" combined with the fact that he always tries to get on my good side when he's scum is sus as fuck

he complimented your playstyle and that is scummy? why?

meanwhile, you town against bacde scum:
Gonzo Mafia - Called you town, buddied up to you a little.

Banjo Kazooie - Had you claim after him, no other interaction.

Jake From State Farm - Soft pushed you until he had to convince you were town in the face of a cop guilty.

So what do you mean, he always tries to get on your good side when he's scum?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:38 pm

In post 5728, ThAdmiral wrote:But from my perspective, since I know I'm town, its a 50/50.

so why PV?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:14 am

In post 5709, Bulbazak wrote:@Nacho: You still haven't answered my questions.

I've been thinking about them. Generally I find more scum in multiball than normal since crosskills, but that might be an incorrect assumption. I don't think PV is scum, but I also don't really think that it makes sense for a random vig to be tossed into the neighborhood. We're probably lacking on power roles at this point, so why is a vig given the benefit of a townie he can talk to while every other power role is completely isolated?

In post 5724, Amethyst Kitty wrote:considering he was less then active when he was playing with me then I'm not really inclined to vote him based on activity level

I'm pretty confident that I'm not voting him for activity level. Why are you interpreting things differently?

In post 5732, Bulbazak wrote:The "I don't give a crap" attitude is more indicative of town in this instance than scum, as I would think scum in his position would be more compliant with the town.

In the end, I think that town is more likely to do something for the town ESPECIALLY if he had a strong read on his neighbor being scum and especially if he was continually getting roleblocked. He's been a useless sack of shit for a while now and I'm not so confident I'm more willing to believe that town would put us through this before scum would.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:44 pm

In post 5744, Baezu wrote:Could all three of PV, HD, and CTD be scum?

probably not.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:17 pm

In post 5746, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I'm pretty sure you are Nacho, but I'm not entirely sure if I can buy your reasons for suspecting him and the best reason I can personally come up with is his lack of investment in this game

sorry but you're going to have to rephrase this so I can understand you

Nachomamma8 · Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:17 pm

why do you think HD is town?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:00 am

I would love that.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:56 pm

In post 5752, Bulbazak wrote:Why are scum given the benefit of a townie to talk to when figuring out their night actions? I'm not sure how strong a point that is and how that would really effect the balance in the long run. And if we are shorter on PRs than is usual, wouldn't it be better balance-wise to pair a townie with the vig?

neighbors sorting each other out is an interaction that is older than time itself.
townie chilling with a vig is new and strange and throws things off balance a bit, especially considering i don't see CTD close to anything like scum. but now we have that nice sexy pretty much confirmation on ThAd, so I'm guessing you're right on this front too.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:17 pm

In post 5754, CrashTextDummie wrote:
Unvote

Need to regroup. I have a couple hours to reread tomorrow.

I'm looking forward to this!

In post 5758, Human Destroyer wrote:no one on my wagon has actually voiced suspicion before this game day (except maybe Nacho idr for sure, but I'm 99% sure no one else has).

Remind me why this matters?

In post 5759, Human Destroyer wrote:Alright, maybe I'll word this differently.

He only tries to get on my good side as scum, never as town.

This means something different. Not to mention:

Bacde wrote:
Vote: Mastin

look at this guys I'm sheeping HD

I never thought it would happen
but it is

He ended up working with you for pretty much the entire of the time he was alive. Would you like to word it differently again?

In post 5760, penguin_alien wrote:Then too, I'm not following what Nachomamma8 is saying here:

Bulbazak and I were talking about neighborhood interactions. My position was wrong and I will explain that shortly.

In post 5767, PeregrineV wrote:Is there an actual Human Destroyer case from the 5 HD voters? My biggest scum indicators came more from his hydra and Om's plays, although his play this game has been subpar.

His push on Baezu, especially when his push on Bacde is not something he explored while Bacde was alive and now he somehow has some meta reason for finding Bacde scum that has already been proven wrong a couple of times.

In post 5772, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I'll be out for a few days

~mara

Where has Mala been?

In post 5785, Bulbazak wrote:To be honest, I'd rather lynch CTD-scum, get the information from the flip and the NK, and then go from there.

I could agree with you on this point, maybe.

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:52 pm

If we assume both teams are balanced...

11. Red Ryu, Blue Mafia Ninja, shot Night One.
1. thezmon221, Blue Mafia Goon, Lynched Day Two.
17. Seanald, Red Mafia Doctor-Neighbor

Red Mafia is pretty much guaranteed to have a goon. It is guaranteed the someone has a roleblocker. Right now, I lean towards blue scum having a roleblocker; Ninja does nothing but counter the watcher but makes the goon weaker while doctor counters the rolecop AND the watcher if scum-doc is protecting the strong member of his scumteam AND the other scumteam AND the vigilante, meaning that last red role will likely be something comparable in power, maybe rolecop or some shit, doesn't really matter.

There IS another scum in the neighborhood for fairness's sake, and it's not ThAd. It's probably CTD since (Townie-Scum PR, Townie-Scum PR, Townie-Town PR) makes a hell of a lot more sense than (Townie-Townie, Townie-Scum PR, ScumPR-Town PR). Meaning it is important that we aim for scum in the neighborhood since we have a pretty good chance of hitting scum there, hitting the roleblocker will free up ThAd for an actual vig shot (preferably on HD), meaning hitting bluescum gives us the potential of 5 mislynches to work with, which would be the maximum. If CTD flips town, it means that the scumteams are NOT symmetric, which would be strange but could be sorted through. We'd lose the potential for an extra mislynch, but that's not a horribly huge deal since we'd have a 1v1 with ThAd still being decently likely town.

Unlocking the potential for 5 mislynches would be pretty sick, considering it would mean PV-ThAd would be masons and the remaining lynch pool would be:
3. Cephir
4. Nachomamma8
7. Bacde
9. Bulbazak
13. Desperado
14. penguin_alien
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal)
22. ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie)
23. Human Destroyer

...which only needs 4 solid townreads to advance.

Cephrir suspects AK and HD as red-scum.
I suspect HD and Cephrir as red-scum.
Baezu suspects HD as red-scum, second looks like me?
Bulba suspects Baezu and HD as red-scum.
Desperado suspects HD-AK as red-scum.
PA suspects Baezu, maybe still HD.
AK suspects HD and Ceph I guess?
ffullisade suspects HD and ?
HD suspects Baezu and whoever the fuck

My personal 4 strong townreads are any 4 from ffullisade, Bulbazak, Desperado, and penguin_alien. AK and Baezu probably aren't scum either but there's some backlash against them, meaning that they don't make sense as the CORE TOWN. That means that it would be possible for me, HD, AK, Baezu, and Cephrir can all go down and if there's one scum in there and somehow not two you somehow get to take a dip into the town core 4 which shouldn't be ffullisade or Bulbazak under any circumstances.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:56 pm

Vote: CrashTextDummie

I'm been steadily leaning to follow Bulbazak today, and now I've fallen for him.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:01 am

That's L-1 already, you should probably let CTD get some last thoughts out before hammering him.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:19 pm

Giant case on HD town?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:55 pm

Vote: Human Destroyer

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:57 pm

desperado/PV conftown at this point, ffullisade pretty much conftown.
there's probably 1 red and 1 blue left, but that's a theory that should be confirmed when this one dies.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:58 pm

last scum is between AK and PA i guess. i sort of have a tendency to turn on AK at this point in time and haven't been right yet but who fucking knows hey

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:01 pm

In post 5816, Nachomamma8 wrote:last scum is between AK and PA i guess. i sort of have a tendency to turn on AK at this point in time and haven't been right yet but who fucking knows hey

probably AK at this point.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:43 pm

In post 5819, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Apparently you're just fucking wrong at reading me or you're scum.

do you see why i am suspicious of you?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:44 pm

In post 5819, Amethyst Kitty wrote:No. I disagree with PereV. I agree that Despo could be conf-town, but PereV I disagree with.

well actually this might have some sort of merit

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:48 pm

oh shush i fucked up and didn't have enough scumreads to go around and thought i had to be paranoid

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:48 pm

vote human destroyer with me.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:49 pm

and then we speedlynch pv tomorrow.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:59 pm

thanks for not being a contrarian lil kitty!

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:10 pm

MARANGAL

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:11 pm

VOTE HD
STOP BEING CORINTHIAN AND JUST MAKE MY LIFE EASIER

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:13 pm

In post 5796, ffullisade wrote:My strong townreads look like yours, but you're one of them.

come on mara this is ffery saying that nacho is town and OK to sheep.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:29 pm

it looks like you give the tiniest fuck, yes.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:00 am

In post 5840, PeregrineV wrote:Would like to see everyone's town-scum-scumcolor list.

you can give me your scumlist or else i'll probably ignore you.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:26 am

In post 5823, Nachomamma8 wrote:oh shush i fucked up and didn't have enough scumreads to go around and thought i had to be paranoid

Nachomamma8 · Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:46 am

My personal 4 strong townreads are any 4 from ffullisade, Bulbazak, Desperado, and penguin_alien. AK and Baezu probably aren't scum either but there's some backlash against them, meaning that they don't make sense as the CORE TOWN.

In post 5816, Nachomamma8 wrote:last scum is between AK and PA i guess. i sort of have a tendency to turn on AK at this point in time and haven't been right yet but who fucking knows hey

Nachomamma8 · Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:48 am

In post 5851, penguin_alien wrote:If I'm wrong about something, I'd expect to have misread Nacho over the various mollie hydras, but I also know I'm bad at reading mollie-scum. Which makes that kind of a wash.

nacho town = mollie town.

In post 5856, Desperado wrote:Thezmon's is the most interesting and I think it means that Bacde was right about Nacho the whole time--he really is the last blue scum.

because nacho-blue scum would bus the living fuck out of his living competent partner out of the blue.

In post 5861, ffullisade wrote:Would you clarify who are in your scum pile and who are in your town pile?

you and desperado are town today.
human destroyer is scum. i might not trust bulbazak today and would love if you could reassure me since that is probably paranoia.
pv also seems like a scum possibility.
i waffle on pa and ak because if they are scum this is the best damn scumplay i've seem from them. i would LOVE to see what happens after we lynch human destroyer because no one is even marginally reading him as town but for some reason they still don't want to lynch them.

In post 5877, Human Destroyer wrote:ugh, I'm just going to sheep desperado at this point

VOTE: Nacho

yup OK

Nachomamma8 · Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:43 am

There were less than 2 days until deadline when I moved onto him. No one moved until I did.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:58 am

Why does thez reads make me blue-scum?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:59 am

In post 5881, Desperado wrote:until the HD wagon had fully stalled

it was stalled because i stopped pushing it so hard.
why do you think he is town?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:14 am

Do you think there is a chance of me being red scum?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:37 pm

In post 5887, Bulbazak wrote:This seems rather sudden. What brought the paranoia on?

the possibility of there still being 3 scum left.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:43 am

In post 5893, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I'll finish the rest of the Nacho/Ceph interaction later, but I think that, so far this points to Nacho and Ceph are a team

What are the interactions between us that make you feel this the strongest?

In post 5864, Human Destroyer wrote:And then proceed to ask a question involving said roleblock that confirms the mislynch I want to push as town?

PA picked up on something awesome that I'm going to quote again.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:16 am

In post 5906, Human Destroyer wrote:Because...this is really shitty.

Really shitty.

Sorry, one more time?

In post 5864, Human Destroyer wrote:And then proceed to ask a question involving said roleblock that confirms the mislynch I want to push as town?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:38 pm

In post 5913, Amethyst Kitty wrote:When you interact with him, it looks like you're reading him as scummish up to a point (the point where I stopped analyzing) but still called him town, then you called him town as fuck and your interactions after that, was light defending but nothing really worth notice given your supposedly strong town-read of him

I am naturally paranoid of my read on Cephrir; he's more confident as scum (him and I stomp-thwomped a town together in our time), meaning that sometimes he sends out false positives as town that aren't actually him being scummy. He's also the type of player that plays scum well enough and I'm not familiar enough with yet that keeps me on my toes, meaning all town reads have dark edges. Here is a game where we were scumbuddies who ended up replacing in at the same time, compare our interactions here to our interactions there and tell me what you think.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:31 am

We don't know how many scum are left and it's multiball so it won't change even/odd.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:32 am

Also, why is Bulbazak as town as he is to you?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:37 am

2v2v1: 1 scum outs themselves and paraphrases the QT, they pretty much count as town for the day. If one of the two scum is lynched, go into night in 2v1v1. If both scum are shot, town win. If one scum and one townie is shot, scum win. If scum shoot the same townie, kingmaker. If scum shoot different townies, scum tie depending on abilities.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:38 am

In post 5928, Desperado wrote:
In post 5926, Nachomamma8 wrote:Also, why is Bulbazak as town as he is to you?
Don't think he's red scum and CTD's interactions with him didn't read like scum theater to me. What's your read on him?

I don't think he's blue scum. I'm not convinced he's not red. Why don't you think he's red scum?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:55 am

In post 4250, mastin2 wrote:Nero Cain - 6 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Bacde, ffullisade, Cephrir)

In post 4553, mastin2 wrote:Seanald - 6 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, Desperado, penguin_alien, Cephrir)

In post 3933, mastin2 wrote:Amethyst Kitty - 7 (Kublai Khan, Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak, ffullisade, Cephrir, ArcAngel9)

In post 4743, mastin2 wrote:Bulbazak - 7 (Human Destroyer, Seanald, ThAdmiral, ArcAngel9, Bacde, CrashTextDummie, Desperado)

In post 4823, mastin2 wrote:Slandaar - 9 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, Rena, Amethst Kitty, Nero Cain, Cephrir, Kublai Khan, Nachomamma8, Desperado)

In post 5352, mastin2 wrote:Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)

In post 5479, mastin2 wrote:Seanald - 8 (penguin_alien, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, ffullisade, Bulbazak, Desperado, Rena, CrashTextDummie)

the only big wagons cephrir stayed off from day 3 forward was the bulbazak wagon
and considering the bulbazak wagon was a hell of a lot juicier than the PV wagon AND it happened to be the wagon Seanald was a counterwagon for, i find that a bit strange.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:31 am

Revelation of more scum to find. I went paranoid on AK first, then AK was incredibly incredibly town and I realize that her scumgame this game compared to her scumgame anywhere else would be akin to GOD TIER, so stopped going paranoid on her. I went paranoid on PA, realized that I did that to her in Pick Your Poison and she totally wasn't scum, so am giving her breathing room for now.

And then I asked myself why Bulba went from probably town to GOD TOWN, and I remembered it was because of his exchange with CTD which helped me see CTD might be scum. Then I looked up interactions with red scum, and I'm not so sure he's town anymore.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:01 pm

In post 5936, Bulbazak wrote:But AK is made up of 2 people. Are both of their scumgames THAT bad that they couldn't be able to play this type of game as scum together?

It's not that their scumgames are bad, it's that it's harder to dodge meta tells when people are familiar with both of your heads to a degree. This specific situation would mean that both were playing an uncharacteristically impressive scumgame, which is unlikely.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:14 pm

Bulb, why are you voting PA again?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:37 pm

In post 5940, Bulbazak wrote:Even when they're together?

Yes.

In post 5940, Bulbazak wrote:S's case against you d1 was horribad, stretched, and as a result, scummy. Also, because PA soft defended Thez d2. If anyone is blue scum, she is.

Did you mention how much you hated BS's case before? Because I don't really remember anything like that.
PA did soft defend thez D2, but why does that really matter?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:35 am

In post 5961, ffullisade wrote:Nacho, what scum team do you see HD on?

Blue, probably. But it wasn't that hard at all to see him as red scum yesterday.

In post 5963, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Does Nacho have a Game where he was town with Ceph (of either alignment) that I can look at?

No.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:45 am

His push on ThAd --> Push on Baezu when ThAd became obviously town.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:55 am

In post 5970, Amethyst Kitty wrote:When did Thad become Obviously town, I must have missed it

This post:

In post 5664, mastin2 wrote:By my interpretation, any X-shot role being roleblocked will not lose their shot, vigilantes included.

By my interpretation, a vigilante shooting at someone being protected expends their bullet.

ThAd claimed he lost a bullet when he shot at Bulbazak, but not when he shot at HD.

In post 5970, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Nacho, what was the point of you linking that game? I came to the conclusion that your interaction with Ceph here is nothing like your interaction with Ceph there, though that doesn't really mean much to me since one can easily change their interaction with their partner that they have previously. You would be aware that people could meta your interaction with Ceph especially since (IIRC) someone else brought it up early game.

You were basing your case on me being scum pretty much with my Cephrir interactions, so I wanted to bring up those radically different scum interactions to chat with you. I can't defend against scum interactions with "nope that's not how I would do it", but I can bring up a past experience to compare it to and go from there.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:37 am

That all you got, Bulba?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:51 am

I dunno. I guess I hoped for a vote on Human Destroyer or general thoughts or something.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:18 am

In post 6011, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I personally think that scum is within the GOD TOWN group

FOS: Ffulisades

You did this to me when I suspected you last time.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:27 am

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

It can go there if you'd like.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:01 am

In post 6030, Bulbazak wrote:Just because I claimed VT doesn't mean that he believed it.

...

Nachomamma8 · Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:30 pm

V/LA until Tuesday

Hopefully gonna be back monday but you never know.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:17 pm

Bulbazak or Penguin?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:22 pm

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:22 pm

Vote: penguin_alien

going with this one!

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:28 am

Why am I red?
Hell, why am I scum?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:56 am

I don't think Peregrine is town.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:57 am

Or I think there's uneven scumteams.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:59 am

in fact i really think there are uneven scumteams.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:36 am

In post 6099, ffullisade wrote:Why do you think Peregrine is not town? And why do you think I am town?

Peregrine would be not-town if there aren't uneven scumteams simply because Mara's became strong town for the last bit and mollie has been consistently town the entire game. Then, swapping out Majiffy for you in the hydra (which was before Xenologue), your contributions when you came into the game... there's no way I could convince myself that you are scum at this point, and I don't think that mollie could last this long in a scumgame, considering this has been months and months and months; there would be one point in the game where she just killed me and was done with it.

In post 6099, ffullisade wrote:If the red/blue balance is not in numbers, what does make it balanced and where is the evidence for that?

Power roles. We've seen a ninja (which is only good against the Watcher) and two goons for blue, with a tracker and a doctor for red (both of which are better than a ninja). Even if the other two reds are goons, I don't really see what exactly the last power role for blue that would make it somehow balanced. There's no cop in the game, so godfather is impossible, strongman is too strong, roleblocker is good but roleblocker+ninja have no synergy and make for a pretty shitty scumteam versus tracker+doctor... So I assume the reds look something like doctor+roleblocker+tracker and the blues look something like goon+goon+ninja+weak PR/goon.

<<< Removed a quote that did not belong in this game. >>>

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:37 am

erm, no idea how the top quote got in there.

<<< It's okay, I caught it and have removed it. >>>

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:40 pm

In post 6103, ffullisade wrote:reconsidering everybody now, including us.

No.

In post 6103, ffullisade wrote:There was a town rolecop.

Hence why I don't think scum rolecop is an option; scum functions with pretty much the same purpose.

In post 6103, ffullisade wrote:I've looked at that post over and over again trying to find a crumb.

I glanced, but I didn't find anything so tossed that aside.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:42 pm

I mean, if mollie wants to come talk to me that would be great, but otherwise...

Pedit: Reds have no reason to quickhammer when they will be shot by a remaining blue when they do so.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:24 pm

Do you want to vote penguin or Bulbazak with me?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:41 pm

Hell no I don't think you're scum with Bulbazak. At the moment, I think you're scum opposite Bulbazak.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:00 pm

What do you mean?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:23 pm

Why aren't you voting me?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:21 pm

In post 6119, penguin_alien wrote:putting multiple members in neighborhoods

This is the weird part that I have trouble coming to terms with. Uneven numbers of scum on each side doesn't necessarily mean that there are an uneven number of scum in each neighborhood. I was playing with the possibility a bit earlier, but it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

In post 6122, Bulbazak wrote:Ok, so you must think he's blue scum if you're going with uneven scumteams and a powerful red team. Is that the case, or are you just keeping your options open?

Uneven scumteams, Peregrine is town.

In post 6122, Bulbazak wrote:I thought you were going with uneven scumteams and red having a roleblocker. Wouldn't red just block the other team then?

If uneven scumteams, there would be one scum left for each side.

In post 6122, Bulbazak wrote:But then he comes back from V/LA and the first thing he does is...role the dice to see who to vote in Lylo?

You keep saying it's LyLo. It never has been LyLo. Rolling the dice was mostly a joke.

In post 6122, Bulbazak wrote:Then he says that Ninja + Roleblocker is not as powerful as Doctor + Tracker. Why not? One side has an investigative immune role and a blocking role, while the other has a protective role and an investigative role. Not to mention that the blocking role can interfere with the protective and the investigative role AND the NK. So why is that combination less powerful?

Why does that deduction make me scum?

In post 6122, Bulbazak wrote:Then he states that blue can just kill red tonight, when he has just gotten done saying that red has a roleblocker. How does that work? Couldn't the red just block the blue and control the tempo of the game? Why have you forgotten this? This should be a major consideration in your theory. You can't have "There is a very small, very powerful red team." and "Well, blue can just kill the red tonight if we miss." In a game this small, chances are that red will be able to successfully block the blue kill.

All of this is invalid once you realize the difference between the two theories.

In post 6122, Bulbazak wrote:In a game this small, chances are that red will be able to successfully block the blue kill. Then he says that PA and I are scum, but are on opposite teams. But didn't you just say earlier that PV was scum? What happened to that? Again, you can't have it both ways. Seriously, this theory has enough holes in it for it to qualify as a Swiss dairy product. This theory only serves as a way to distract everybody from Nacho's team and allow them to walk away with the win.

See previous.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:23 pm

I also like how you immediately jumped on me due to this misunderstanding instead of questioning a bit in order to understand better.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:23 pm

hi mollie.
i wanted to talk to you because i am taking ffery's advice and rethinking you to.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:23 pm

what do you think of bulbazak?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:29 pm

In post 6134, Ms Marangal wrote:we never unvoted?

and I think Nacho is red scum with bulb, or did

I think he's bussing Nacho, explains why he's voting him over me when he apparently has a stronger read on me

What do you think of the uneven scumteams theory?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:11 pm

In post 6138, Bulbazak wrote:So you changed your mind in less than a minute? If that is the case, why were you still pushing PV-scum while pushing uneven scumteams?

If there are three scum, Peregrine is scum. If there are two scum, Peregrine is town.
Where did I change my mind? Nowhere.

In post 6138, Bulbazak wrote:And? You're not answering my question.

If there are three scum, then red does not have the roleblocker. If there are two scum, red can't quickhammer with two people because they only have one.

In post 6138, Bulbazak wrote:Fine. It's Mylo. Same thing. If we mislynch today, we lose. Why would you randomly vote in that situation?

Randomly vote between two people

that I have strong suspicions of

, but you tried conveniently ignoring that. What's wrong with that, again?
I also know there won't be a quickhammer because there isn't an instant win in the case of a quickhammer.

In post 6138, Bulbazak wrote:Come on, Nacho. It's a pretty glaring hole in your theory. If I can think of it, surely it occurred to you when you came up with the idea. As I said, the uneven scum team idea is a way for you to distract the town from your team so that you can score the mislynch you need.

Doctor + Tracker has good synergy because it helps find PRs to kill, and it's also a natural defense against the PR AND the other scumteam based on the ways they are shooting. Ninja+Roleblocker has shit synergy because ninja can't do anything except defend against Tracker/Watcher (booo), and Roleblocker allows you to fuck up power roles, yes, but you also have to find those power roles and you don't know whether you're actually doing anything or not unless the person is already claimed and you're framing them, but framejobs sort of suck when the other scumteam is just gonna shoot the guy.

In post 6138, Bulbazak wrote:That's what I started to do, but while putting together the post, everything just kinda clicked for me. It made no sense that you'd be pushing this case as town. Therefore, I added the breakdown and reads at the end.

Oh that's cool.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:12 pm

In post 6138, Bulbazak wrote:Um...what? I think I got lost somewhere in the middle. Can you break this down for me in simpler terms?

You see you are missing something here. But instead of "something clicking", you question it.
Why? Because you aren't trying to lynch ffery?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:57 pm

In post 6142, Bulbazak wrote:One minute later:

I think Peregrine is scum

OR

there are uneven scumteams.
OR means that the events are not mutually exclusive.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:58 pm

So, try again. Tell me where I changed my mind.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:32 pm

Yes, if there weren't uneven scumteams. The point is that I didn't change my mind.
Are we done with this point?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:49 pm

are mutually exclusive, bulbazak

Nachomamma8 · Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:49 pm

do you want chocolate or vanilla?
strawberry or pistachio?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:52 pm

As in are you really, really, REALLY that bad at reading?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:05 pm

In post 6154, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 6150, Nachomamma8 wrote:are mutually exclusive, bulbazak
That's not what you said, and it DEFINITELY was not what you were implying.

Really?

In post 6095, ffullisade wrote:One of PA/Bulba is blue. And Peregine is town.

In post 6096, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't think Peregrine is town.

In post 6097, Nachomamma8 wrote:Or I think there's uneven scumteams.

In post 6098, Nachomamma8 wrote:in fact i really think there are uneven scumteams.

Peregrine is scum, or there are uneven scumteams. I REALLY think there are uneven scumteams.

In post 6101, Nachomamma8 wrote:Peregrine would be not-town if there aren't uneven scumteams simply because Mara's became strong town for the last bit and mollie has been consistently town the entire game.

If there are uneven scumteams (two scum left), Peregrine is town. If there aren't uneven scumteams (three scum left), Peregrine is scum.

In post 6125, Nachomamma8 wrote:Uneven scumteams, Peregrine is town.

If uneven scumteams, peregrine is town.

In post 6139, Nachomamma8 wrote:If there are three scum, Peregrine is scum. If there are two scum, Peregrine is town.

IF THERE ARE UNEVEN SCUMTEAMS, PEREGRINE IS TOWN.

Hell, I even implied a possible Peregrine town when PA and you were the people I had the possibilities of voting AND PEREGRINE WAS NOT.
So please, please, please, please tell me where I was not implying two mutually exclusive occurrences this entire day. Because I count not one, not two, not three, and not four instances, but five where I imply or outright state that very thing. Then, if you'd like to concede this point, we can move on to the next one.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:21 am

In post 6163, Ms Marangal wrote:also, why did it take the replacing out (which is null) for you to flip your read on us when (I think) there were other, more reliable things to draw upon for a possible town-read on this slot?

the replace out was just a jarring experience, is all
sometimes you can get trapped in the dark magic powers of paranoia and a good slap in the face takes you right the fuck out.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:44 pm

In post 6176, Bulbazak wrote:You see, I don't think you made a mistake. I don't think "not mutually exclusive" was a simple typo.

despite the fact that everything i've been saying in thread says different.
interesting.

In post 6176, Bulbazak wrote:I think it was just another form of double talk, like the double negatives, whose only purpose was to keep the possibility of PV-scum open in the town unconscious.

so you think i used "not-town" instead of "scum" in order to keep the possibility of PV-scum open in the town conscious?
what the fuck does this even mean?

In post 6176, Bulbazak wrote:ARE NOT symmetrical, which is the entire concept that allowed us to catch CTD in the first place.

We also could have gotten completely lucky, believe it or not.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:45 pm

ffull, please comment on my argument with bulbazak please and thank you.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:01 am

In post 6179, ffullisade wrote:bulba is scum. He has to push this kind of thing. He may even believe it because he's not in that much better a position to find other-scum if he's on his own.

I don't think he believes it.

In post 6179, ffullisade wrote:I will fear your scum game forever if you divined a thought process which I didn't telegraph, and echoed it back to me like that.

I dream of one day having a scumgame that good.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:01 am

Where did penguin go?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:15 pm

In post 6189, Bulbazak wrote:Ffery, Nacho has essentially claimed scum, and you're ignoring it!

???

Nachomamma8 · Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:03 pm

Peregrine, am I still scum if the scumteams are uneven?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:03 pm

Vote: Bulbazak

Nachomamma8 · Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:38 am

In post 6241, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6239, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: Bulbazak
Good move.

I forgot this was a plurality lynch game.

So did I.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:39 am

In post 6251, Bulbazak wrote:I'd like to know your thoughts. You know mine.

bulba i can't believe i ever saved you

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:48 pm

yup. i bussed my mafia doctor partner and took a hard bulbazak-town stance so i didn't have to win the game earlier.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:16 pm

oh ok

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:16 pm

got anything convincing?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:54 pm

anything, really.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:26 pm

not me, anyone else.
friendly advice and all!

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:48 am

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:49 am

oh fucking hell nevermind

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:50 am

In post 6272, ffullisade wrote:Nacho?

this was the first game where i actually had to read cephrir, and didn't have a good baseline of his play until later

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:51 am

In post 1, mastin2 wrote:If there's a tie, the player who reached that number first is lynched, unless one of the players had more votes than that recently. This exception means in the case of descending votes, the player who reached that number last will be lynched.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:53 am

peregrine, if you get online soon, please vote bulbazak.
ffery, vote bulbazak now.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:53 am

or, we can flashwagon penguin.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:55 am

Penguin, why are you lynching me when Bulbazak is going to block and kill you during the night?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:08 am

Bulb is red. Penguin is blue. Why the fuck do you think penguin voted me 2 hours before deadline after she just got done calling me town?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:10 am

In post 6282, ffullisade wrote:You don't construct baselines from what you learn about players when you're scum?

Not nearly as effectively. Especially in a game where I'm letting town wreck themselves and have no real need to care about what's going on.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:14 am

In post 6272, ffullisade wrote:Yup. Your read changes in particular that game were opportunistic as hell, whereas here you end up waffling, you express being unsure a LOT more in thread, everything feels more natural here.

Cephrir had a bit of a "scummy" townstyle and a "townie" scumstyle. His earlier playstyle seemed more like LoL than Amnesiac Mafia, but I ended up amending that read sometime later. You know I have no problem calling scumbuddies town; why do you think I'd have a problem calling Cephrir town here?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:28 am

peregrine get your ass in here please

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:35 am

In post 6286, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6284, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 6282, ffullisade wrote:You don't construct baselines from what you learn about players when you're scum?
Not nearly as effectively. Especially in a game where I'm letting town wreck themselves and have no real need to care about what's going on.
I don't have nearly as much practice constructing baselines from games where I was scum due to being a statistical anomaly. But, I find knowing the player's alignment while I'm seeing their interactions is revealing in ways that cold meta never seems to match.

It's good to construct a decent baseline on scum when you are partners with them and actively constructing a baseline.
It's not good to construct a decent baseline on town unless you are actively constructing a baseline on them, and I don't bother constructing baselines on people/don't care about meta too much unless I've played multiple times with them.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:14 am

Mastin, who would get lynched if deadline passes now?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:14 am

Bulbazak, why do you think penguin changed her vote?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:15 am

In post 6292, Bulbazak wrote:and I actually learned what GiF looks like as scum, and by extension, what he looks like as town.

This doesn't always work, sorry.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:16 am

In post 6298, AngryPidgeon wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
Mastin, who would get lynched if deadline passes now?

If day were to end right now, Nachomamma8 would be lynched.

fuck you, i asked mastin.

<<< Whoops. Forgot to add that to the votecounts. But yes, AP is correct. As of this post, if deadline were to hit now, you would be lynched. >>>

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:16 am

that totally came off as less joking as i meant for it to come off as

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:17 am

PEREGRINE
why are you voting me?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:28 am

In post 6303, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6302, Nachomamma8 wrote:PEREGRINE
why are you voting me?
Are you kidding?

I think you are red scum.

Why do you think that?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:28 am

In post 6304, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 6297, Nachomamma8 wrote:Bulbazak, why do you think penguin changed her vote?

In post 6292, Bulbazak wrote:If anything, it shows that Penguin-scum actually thinks you're red scum and that lynching you will make her wincon easier.
It's not even that far above your question.

If she thought that I was red scum, I don't think that she'd be calling me town all day. Unless you think that the last minute switch is genuine?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:29 am

In post 6305, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 6303, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6302, Nachomamma8 wrote:PEREGRINE
why are you voting me?
Are you kidding?

I think you are red scum.
Why do you think that?

And who is my partner?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:32 am

ugh you probably think my scumpartner is marangal
peregrine, do you not see why her replace-out was town as fuck?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:34 am

and is there a reason you aren't paying attention to ffery and mollie's read on me?
they can read me a hell of a lot better than you can.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:41 am

In post 6312, Bulbazak wrote:I think she was just trying to survive all day and get anybody who wasn't her lynched. She probably then realized that lynching red scum was in her best interest, and so she actually started paying attention and voted you.

that's why she brought up a whole bunch of reasons for you being scum and none for me being scum?
interesting.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:48 am

In post 6059, penguin_alien wrote:I'm pretty convinced Bulbazak is scum. ffullisade, why do you think he's blue? And for that matter, do you think I'm red scum who hard-bussed Seanald?

Bulbazak has now said the vig shot on him must not have gone through because he was JK'd. He doesn't know why this would happen and thinks speculation on the dead guy's motives is pointless. And it would be, if a scum doc hadn't flipped.

Everyone else: think back to the end of day three. Does it make sense to anyone that a town JK would protect Bulbazak after Slandaar flipped town? Does it make sense that a town JK would expect Bulbazak to be doing a team's factional kill there and so want to block him? If people think I'm completely loony, I'll reset, but I don't think I am.

JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE
NO LOGIC FOR BULBAZAK SCUM AT ALL

In post 6266, penguin_alien wrote:UNVOTE: Bulbazak

For now. I'll be around in the morning, but I'm wavering a bit here. It is true that even if Seanald wouldn't have been that day's lynch without Nacho turning the wagon, but as a claimed neighbor his days were likely numbered.

Bulbazak and PV, if Nacho is red scum, what's his motive for floating a theory and apparently standing behind it that red scum is a three-man team and so is down to one member? He's not using it as an excuse to hunt blue scum instead of red from what I can tell.

IM JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE I TOTALLY DON'T THINK BULBAZAK IS SCUM

In post 6273, penguin_alien wrote:Head says Bulbazak, gut says Nacho. My head always leads me astray.

VOTE: Nacho

I have weighed the evidence and now I have decided that penguin is absolutely the best lynch for today.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:50 am

Nacho*

sorry, those were paraphrases brought to you by bulbazak.
in case that was unclear.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:50 am

In post 6315, Bulbazak wrote:She brought up nothing about my play, only coincidences and WIFOM. If she truly thought I was scum, she would have been diving into my gameplay as well.

yeah because she totally dove right into my gameplay right???

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:50 am

In post 6314, penguin_alien wrote:...if I were blue scum, why would I be desperate not to be lynched? We need to lynch red scum today, full stop.

Is it possible that blue scum Nacho would purposely avoid Cephrir?

UNVOTE: Nacho

I'm not sure ATM.

Why did you vote me?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:56 am

In post 0, mastin2 wrote:ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie)

These two players have pegged me as scum more than the rest of this playerlist combined.
The point that I'm shooting people likely to be suspicious of me is stupid.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:56 am

Why didn't you bring that point up when you were voting me?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:03 am

Seems like it shouldn't take you too long to type "because nightkills", "will explain vote later, running errands now".

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:11 am

We're talking about the NKs now. If I'm not mistaken, the first missing kill from either scumteam is Desperado, which means neither side even attempted to shoot me. What does this tell you? Because if I were scum, there's no reason why the other scumteam still wouldn't want to shoot me.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:24 am

Then I would have to be blue, right? And you never addressed me not killing threat #1.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:30 am

In post 6332, penguin_alien wrote:...because ffullisade has been so effective at getting you lynched. And I do think you could be blue.

Only person in this game who was "effective at getting me lynched" was bacde and he lived for a really fucking long time. What's your point?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:34 am

In post 6337, Bulbazak wrote:Because I'm town and Nacho is red scum. If I'm lynched, you'll have to rely on cross kills to have a chance at winning.

"the game is over" =/= "you'll have to rely on cross kills"

were you red scum or blue scum?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:09 pm

Vote: penguin_alien

Nachomamma8 · Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:37 pm

In post 6346, ffullisade wrote:Nacho, talk to me about PA's vote switch to you and then back to bulba near nightfall.

What was she thinking?

I think that her initial plan was to stall out until deadline and bring the day to a 4 alive tomorrow; she unvoted pretty late in the game because she started to think that Bulbazak was the bigger threat and she wasn't going to get him lynched in 4p if he brought her there since he's a roleblocker and she's just a goon (probably), and I think she took that route because she was looking to use plurality lynch to her advantage, considering the unvote came after Peregrine made the "good vote" comment to me.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:28 pm

I don't think there was ever a big risk of that.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:07 pm

In post 6354, ffullisade wrote:Why Mara?

Who benefits from her not being in the game today?

Thoughts about no lynch?

Mara probably because she voted Bulbazak early and stayed there, also because you and I were like hell no will never lynch. Mara kill also follows along the whole "Nacho is killing his detractors" line of thought; she might have been afraid of killing you because you were reading me as town, but it was a weird kill, so I don't really have a good handle on why she died.

Every one benefits from her being in the game, but I benefit the most from it.

I don't want to no lynch and have you dead.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:28 pm

In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:I felt like Nacho wasn't engaging the same way most of the rest of the town was.

I have 570 posts. Where the hell wasn't I engaging?

In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:His reaction to my vote tipped his hand and made him try to mislynch me earlier than he'd obviously planned. Suddenly with half an hour before deadline he wants to talk about my theories? Sure, when he's afraid I might not help him lynch red scum. Especially his comment here:

That describes my mindset pretty solidly, minus the use of "mislynch". If you didn't want to lynch opposing scum, then of course I'm going to see if Bulbazak. Why wouldn't I? Otherwise I'm pretty fucking dead thanks to plurality rules, and that doesn't leave a beautiful MyLo the next day, especially if Bulba blocked scum and killed town.

In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:He had no reason to think for certain we were at one red scum and one blue scum rather than 2:1.

In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:Yet he suddenly wants to wagon me? That's a blue scum-last-man-standing attitude who'd rather see anyone but himself swing.

Why do you say that? Being a survivalist becomes less scummy as the days go on and the room for error dwindles.

In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:Why wouldn't he block me that night? Answer: he probably did, and three kills went through, surprise, surprise. He blocked someone else the next night and saw only one kill. But he had to spin me as scum because I wouldn't drop the issue of him being protected from ThAd's vig shot. Seeing as I had been all over Seanald he knew he couldn't paint me red, so he went with blue based on the fact that I didn't think thezmon221 would be foolish enough to use a fake role claim his scum team had been caught using in a recent game with a significant overlap in player base. Which, yeah, I expect a certain level of competency from people around here. Waving a universal back-up claim in front of Slandaar as scum in that situation doesn't match up.

I see you trying to clear yourself with a Bulbazak block.
It's an interesting attempt.

In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:So we have Bulbazak keeping me in his pocket as a mislynch. Funny, Nacho's doing the same thing. I come in Day One into a slot Nacho's reading as scum, and he figures out I'm town pronto. We go all the way to Day Six, and only then does Nacho even start to 'waver' on that read, saying:

I haven't been paying attention to you for the past few days, as you can probably imagine. I also didn't really waver on Bulbazak until that day (if i recall correctly), so I don't understand why this is scum mislynching town as opposed to town pushing who they think is scum and you don't post any reasoning to explain that.

In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:(I can explain why I'm not blue, but really, if you consider my play here, unless you really think I'd sit around arguing with a teammate over a poor faked claim, I'd say it's pretty clear)

Why not?

In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:as almost guaranteed town. Odds that he's try to slip a scum buddy in there? Pretty good.

He could have also posted genuine reads.

In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:Then he's mostly not engaged with flipped blue scum. Since two were dead by the end of Day Two, there's not as much anyways, but he really doesn't engage with CTD after the show of the first day. He gets into it a bit WRT Rena, who he strongly pushes. Rena was scummy and suspect, but places like this:

I've engaged plenty with CTD and CTD's interacted plenty with me.
I'm 100% confident we've interacted more than you two!

Nachomamma8 · Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:29 pm

I wasn't shot by red because I had Bulbazak as a strong townread. I wasn't shot by blue because I had penguin/CTD as strong townreads.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:54 pm

I'm the mislynch! Peregrine is expected to wind up against me and you're the one penguin wants to lynch.
Peregrine couldn't be mislynched because everyone thinks he's town.
You can't be mislynched because everyone thinks your town (although it's not explicit).
Mara couldn't be mislynched after replace out business.
I'm a hard sell, but at least there's a possibility of it.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:40 pm

In post 6368, penguin_alien wrote:I'm not talking about the whole game. Last day phase didn't feel like you were as dedicated to figuring out scum so much as figuring out the distribution. You perked up when you were under fire though.

I figured out scum, so yeah that's pretty true.

In post 6368, penguin_alien wrote:Yeah, but I'm not scum. So lynching me yesterday would have left you worse off, stuck with Bulbazak apparently blocking you and picking you off at his leisure.

Boring.

In post 6368, penguin_alien wrote:Why not actually argue for your chosen lynch then? Vaguely going for a mislynch doesn't help. If you were a townie, being mislynched doesn't utterly destroy your side's hope for victory, but being lynched as last scum standing sure does.

I did argue for Bulba.
Getting lynched yesterday would mean that our chances for victory would plummet pretty low.

In post 6368, penguin_alien wrote:So it's N5, there's no more than one blue scum left, red scum doesn't opt to block ThAd as NKs show. Cephrir and Bulbazak were pushing me as blue scum. Why wouldn't they block me? I contend that they would have. Yes, it's night action speculation, but it was bang on with Bulbazak being protected as far as I can tell.

They probably blocked/tracked both of us and stances in thread don't really have anything to do with actual thoughts.

In post 6368, penguin_alien wrote:You say you haven't been paying attention to me--not sure why when we've been at fewer than ten players the last two days, me not being a high-volume poster aside. You going from town reading me to saying that if AK or I is scum it's better scum play than you've seen from us to flipping a coin to vote me is what lacks reasoning. Your stance on Bulbazak actually makes sense for scum; you also figured he was scum for the N3 shenanigans, but you wanted him around as an easy target to 'see the light' about down the road, hence pretending to town read him against all logic.

What part of "Peregrine town due to neighborhood, AK town due to replace out business, ffery/mollie town because I'm pretty good at reading both of them = bulbazak/penguin scum" don't you understand?

In post 6368, penguin_alien wrote:Doesn't mean he did; it's more likely he called a buddy town when he could do so conveniently.

Why?

In post 6368, penguin_alien wrote:Am I missing interactions between you two?

Probably, yeah.

In post 6368, penguin_alien wrote:I NK people who strong town read me as scum. If I were last blue standing, I'd have NK'd you over ThAd or Baezu on Night Five.

You couldn't NK me when you don't really have any room for mislynching.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:59 pm

In post 6370, penguin_alien wrote:How do you figure blue scum couldn't afford a mislynch at N5/D6?

What?

In post 6370, penguin_alien wrote:My take in your classification of us yesterday is 'PV town for neighborhood, ffullisade likely to agree with me since I've been calling them town and linking that town read to my supposed towniness, Bulbazak opposite scum, AK/MM and PA my final mislynch bait choices'

You can say "mislynch bait choices" instead of "suspects" but it doesn't mean you have an actual point.

In post 6370, penguin_alien wrote:Why wouldn't CTD call a buddy town in the middle of that kind of strongly worded case? Otherwise he's just eliminated a swath of town/not blue scum as lynchable.

And looking town as fuck in the meantime.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:01 am

Peregrine, why do you think there are two scum left?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:14 am

Does it count towards my activity if I'm prodding everyone else?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:13 pm

i feel alone

Nachomamma8 · Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:39 am

In post 6407, PeregrineV wrote:Call me old school, but 4-4 symmetry is more elegant that 4-3 but we'l make one with 3 PR and the other with 2 PRs and 2 goons.

4-3 is more elegant than "stacked scumteam versus scumteam with two goons, one weak PR and a SUPER DUPER SCUM JOAT".

Nachomamma8 · Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:45 am

I can find you games where there were uneven scumteams.
You find me a game where the teams are: 3 good PRs + 1 goon versus Super Scum JOAT + weak PR + 2 goons.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:58 am

If there's one red and one blue versus two townies and we no lynch, then our best chance of winning is by lynching a townie.
If there's one blue left, we win by lynching the blue.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:12 pm

Penguin, why is no lynching the best move if there's one red scum and one blue scum left?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:52 am

In post 6420, PeregrineV wrote:OK, back, and just finished my large. This is the week.

The week? Please tell me it's going to be more like two days :/

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:13 am

peregrine why are you being so unbelievably stubborn
you see that you are very strongly against me
and ffullisade is very strongly against penguin

so if there is only one scum left (literally everyone except for you is saying this)
then the final scum is going to kill off the person who suspects them for a win in 3p

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:12 am

In post 6432, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6430, Nachomamma8 wrote:peregrine why are you being so unbelievably stubborn
you see that you are very strongly against me
and ffullisade is very strongly against penguin

so if there is only one scum left (literally everyone except for you is saying this)
then the final scum is going to kill off the person who suspects them for a win in 3p
If there is one scum, then it's 3:1, correct?

If we no lynch, we are at 2:1, correct?

If we mislynch, town loses, correct (2:1 going into night, 1:1 for loss tomorrow)

Town-Nacho knows this.

So why is town Nacho not voting No-Lynch?

The answer is in the post I quoted, but you somehow managed to completely miss that.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:00 pm

In post 6439, PeregrineV wrote:Well, according to you, Penguin (the last scum) is going to kill off both you and Ffullisade (because you both suspect him).

penguin is going to kill ffullisade.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:22 am

In post 6447, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6441, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 6439, PeregrineV wrote:Well, according to you, Penguin (the last scum) is going to kill off both you and Ffullisade (because you both suspect him).
penguin is going to kill ffullisade.
Then maybe I'll start tomorrow voting penguin.

It's a crazy, mixed up world, and there is no telling what could happen.

You probably won't, thought.
Ffullisade *might* vote me, but they probably won't.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:59 am

WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY MASTIN

Nachomamma8 · Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:07 am

ummmmm

Nachomamma8 · Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:07 am

this post is

not

prod dodging because within this post i am saying more than prod dodge and i have not expressly crafted these posts specifically to prod dodge

Nachomamma8 · Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:12 am

In post 6459, PeregrineV wrote:At no point has anyone presented any countervailing logic.

I've presented my problems with that logic.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:33 am

Nachomamma8 · Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:34 am

aka a no lynch isn't optimal in a 4 player when stances are so strongly defined in the sand because scum can kill the person against them and chalk it up to WIFOM

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:37 am

I liked ffery's poems better.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:50 pm

Vote: penguin alien

Your thoughts on Nacho send a link to the Les Miserables endgame, which I don't think is what you intended to link.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:53 pm

In post 6443, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6442, penguin_alien wrote:
In post 6441, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 6439, PeregrineV wrote:Well, according to you, Penguin (the last scum) is going to kill off both you and Ffullisade (because you both suspect him).
penguin is going to kill ffullisade.
...way to set it up for you to NK ffullisade and turn it into proof that I must be scum. I'm pretty sure this is classic WIFOM fodder.
yeah that makes so much more sense than leaving one very convinced vote-for-not-nacho in the game, doesn't it?

In post 6444, ffullisade wrote:That logic is so fucking pathetically scummy wifom I can't quite believe I read it.

Scum Nacho leaving alive two players who will almost certainly vote him tomorrow, and kill the one player who is least likely to vote him. That's surely a winning scum strategy.

In post 6451, ffullisade wrote:No, it is blindingly obvious. Scum-Nacho would kill you, and take PA and me to LYLO. And I would angst about it for two weeks, but reread stuff, including the posts leading up to BabySpice' replace-out, and say, yeah no that was not a town-pirouette and she didn't stick the flounce.

You have not budged on your nacho-is-red-scum case and you're holding on to the idea that there's 2 scum in the game.

So, tomorrow, if you are alive and you are correct and I am dead and flipped town, you have two choices:

- You're in LYLO with town and blue scum
- You're kingmaker and you decide which of blue or red scum win

When that sinks in, then please assume town can win. And drop your red scum case. And don't vote Nacho.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:57 pm

In post 6487, penguin_alien wrote:I think we all know ffullisade was ready to help you mislynch me.

Then why would I kill her?

In post 6487, penguin_alien wrote:Neither of you could explain how any of my play tracked to my being scum. The NKs don't benefit me, my play doesn't make sense as scum, nothing.

I will tomorrow.
The NKs benefitted you because they killed town, and nothing about your play has been so horrendously obvtown that you can make the second statement.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:21 pm

And mine hasn't?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:30 pm

Because... I wasn't engaging as much as the rest of town has? (I have 597 posts in this game).
Because... I was trying to flashwagon you when it looked like Bulbazak wagon wasn't going through? (I thought I could convince Bulba-scum to lynch you)
Because I had no reason to think 1 blue scum and 1 red scum? (Oh wait, I have. I've talked about it quite a bit in these 597 posts!)
Because I mislynched HD?
Because I don't have *enough* interactions with blue scum? Penguin, do you realize that I pushed to get CTD lynched pretty hard in the end, had Red Ryu tunneling the fuck out of me, AND I pushed for thez to get lynched? Meanwhile, your slot has voted exactly *one* blue scum, and that was in the RVS stage.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:41 pm

OH, and the NKs only make sense for me as scum?
I apparently killed Syryana who was townreading me the whole time.
Thor, oh of course only nacho would kill him!
Killing the claimed watcher? Nope, only Nacho would kill a PR as strong as the watcher with their ninja dead!
Of course, I'd kill Baezu AFTER Bacde, who was tunneling the living fuck out of me, was replaced out and not while he was actually in the game.

And of course I would leave ffullisade, the holy matrimony of "people who can actually read me on this site" alive until DAY FUCKING 9. fferyllt and pirate_mollie are actually the two people on this site who I am MOST AFRAID OF AS SCUM, mastin2 in chosen mafia and in xenogears called fferyllt dying N1 for me a SCUMTELL

In post 406, mastin2 wrote:Granted, SoS was a near-universal townread, so that's an equally-probable cause for nightkill. But still, ffery dieing N1 always makes me paranoid of Nacho.

In post 2804, mastin2 wrote:By the way--I find it no coincidence that the hydra with ffery in it died. Of all the players in this game, I think Nacho fears her the most as scum. Yes, you can write this off as coincidence. But I don't think so. Since I brought up his similarities in this game to his play in Buzzword Bingo mafia, let's actually quote FROM that game.

And he's saying these things as a human being who is moderating this game where SOMEHOW nacho as scum isn't killing fferyllt until NIGHT 8. Do you think mastin would get so suspicious of me when ffery dies N1 if I have demonstrated that I can play around her to such an extent to where I can bring her to LyLo and have her eating out of my hand as scum? Fuck no.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:47 pm

And you say "oh, you killed ffery for WIFOM; you were setting it up yesterday!" but you and me both know that's the biggest piece of bullshit we've ever heard in our lives. We've put months and months and months of thought in this game; if ffery consistently has a townread on me from when she replaces in, she's not going to suddenly magically switch in LyLo because "omg paranoia". Fuck no. If I were scum, I would kill Peregrine and I would sing "oh, it's just a WIFOM kill, penguin knew she was sunk scum and so she had to go for the drastic approach".