So you have Nacho as town?In post 6224, ffullisade wrote:Even if I'm wrong, I'll want to lynch within the players I feel more strongly are scum. Nacho's red scum if and only if there are 4 red scum IMO.
I would probably flip the two colors, but even then, I'm not sure enough where I want to lynch them today. Penguin's game is different from the last time he was scum in this situation. Bulb's almost lynch leans more towards town than scum, but I haven't analyzed the wagons with the latest flips.In post 6226, ffullisade wrote:I've reversed my thinking on who is blue, but it comes down to the roleblocker argument. I don't remember PA making much noise about this as an indictment of bulba until this game day, which leads me to think she's known which team's kill was blocked that night and didn't want to draw attention to that knowledge before now.
PA - blue
bulba - red (and probably the roleblocker)
If there is a second red I think it's Nacho.
The only thing that bothers me about my theory is that PA could have played a more on-the-back-foot game today and waited to see where the winds would blow, and that might have been the optimal play unless she was convinced she'd be the lynch if she didn't take a strong early stance.
And the mafia1?In post 6228, ffullisade wrote:The missing Mafia2 is a roleblocker.
24 player gameIn post 6231, ffullisade wrote:Oh, and the missing mafia1 is a goon.
Four reds, including a roleblocker makes that team overpowered compared to the blue scum team. I just can't see that.In post 6229, PeregrineV wrote:I would probably flip the two colors, but even then, I'm not sure enough where I want to lynch them today. Penguin's game is different from the last time he was scum in this situation. Bulb's almost lynch leans more towards town than scum, but I haven't analyzed the wagons with the latest flips.In post 6226, ffullisade wrote:I've reversed my thinking on who is blue, but it comes down to the roleblocker argument. I don't remember PA making much noise about this as an indictment of bulba until this game day, which leads me to think she's known which team's kill was blocked that night and didn't want to draw attention to that knowledge before now.
PA - blue
bulba - red (and probably the roleblocker)
If there is a second red I think it's Nacho.
The only thing that bothers me about my theory is that PA could have played a more on-the-back-foot game today and waited to see where the winds would blow, and that might have been the optimal play unless she was convinced she'd be the lynch if she didn't take a strong early stance.
Nacho is a shoe-in for red, and that puts us at 3:1:1 going into night, giving us the best chance to win.
In post 6233, PeregrineV wrote:24 player gameIn post 6231, ffullisade wrote:Oh, and the missing mafia1 is a goon.
ffullisade wrote:Four reds, including a roleblocker makes that team overpowered compared to the blue scum team. I just can't see that.In post 6229, PeregrineV wrote:I would probably flip the two colors, but even then, I'm not sure enough where I want to lynch them today. Penguin's game is different from the last time he was scum in this situation. Bulb's almost lynch leans more towards town than scum, but I haven't analyzed the wagons with the latest flips.In post 6226, ffullisade wrote:I've reversed my thinking on who is blue, but it comes down to the roleblocker argument. I don't remember PA making much noise about this as an indictment of bulba until this game day, which leads me to think she's known which team's kill was blocked that night and didn't want to draw attention to that knowledge before now.
PA - blue
bulba - red (and probably the roleblocker)
If there is a second red I think it's Nacho.
The only thing that bothers me about my theory is that PA could have played a more on-the-back-foot game today and waited to see where the winds would blow, and that might have been the optimal play unless she was convinced she'd be the lynch if she didn't take a strong early stance.
Nacho is a shoe-in for red, and that puts us at 3:1:1 going into night, giving us the best chance to win.
They haven't. And they might not. But, it's a way to limit the power (as evidenced by the two town X-shots) for balance purposes.In post 6236, ffullisade wrote:I don't remember any scum PRs flipping as X-shot.
Yes, red scum.In post 6238, Nachomamma8 wrote:Peregrine, am I still scum if the scumteams are uneven?
In post 4462, ffullisade wrote:The vengeball game is the only game that I've played with Seanald so I don't have a town baseline. His posts in this game are different though. Not as defeatest. More aggressive. More opinionated.In post 4455, Nachomamma8 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
ffery, I read this game and I don't think Seanald is scum here.
Do you agree or am I reading too much into his approach?
By nature, it seems that vengeball is intense and posture-y in some of the same ways as popcorn mafia, which leaves scum players with a limited and dangerous repertoire (from my perspective as someone who is terrible with scum roles). I am not sure how good a vengeball-informed scum baseline will be in pointing up scum behaviors in other games.
Do you think vengeball scum play generalizes to other games?
I'm not comfortable voting him today.
Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean.In post 6242, ffullisade wrote:Peregrine, this exchange is one of the main reasons why I don't believe that Nacho is red scum.
He voted Seanald before asking me this question. And asking me this question could have easily led to a resounding "yeah Seanald is scum" if he couldn't accurately predict what sort of meta takeaways I was using at the time. My takeaways are a work in progress and I doubt anybody could predict with much certainty how I would have answered that question when it was asked.
In post 4462, ffullisade wrote:The vengeball game is the only game that I've played with Seanald so I don't have a town baseline. His posts in this game are different though. Not as defeatest. More aggressive. More opinionated.In post 4455, Nachomamma8 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
ffery, I read this game and I don't think Seanald is scum here.
Do you agree or am I reading too much into his approach?
By nature, it seems that vengeball is intense and posture-y in some of the same ways as popcorn mafia, which leaves scum players with a limited and dangerous repertoire (from my perspective as someone who is terrible with scum roles). I am not sure how good a vengeball-informed scum baseline will be in pointing up scum behaviors in other games.
Do you think vengeball scum play generalizes to other games?
I'm not comfortable voting him today.
In post 4475, AngryPidgeon wrote:<<< Tempted as I am to just delete this post in favor of my own, I'll leave it in here and use it. >>>
One-Hundred-Sixth Votecount:(Thirty-Ninth Votecount of Day Three,AKA, the "Synchronized Mod Activity" votecount.)
Seanald - 6 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, Desperado, penguin_alien, Cephrir)
Nero Cain - 3 (CrashTextDummie, Kublai Khan, Bulbazak)
Bulbazak - 2 (Nero Cain, Human Destroyer)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Not Voting - 3 (Seanald, Rena, ffullisade)
With18alive, it's10to lynch.
Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).
If deadline were to hit now,Seanaldwould be lynched.
Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
The Malakittens half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until July 15th.
PeregrineV is V/LA until July 11th.
Human Destroyer is V/LA until Sunday, July 11th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.
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Got it.In post 6244, penguin_alien wrote:Mod, I need to go V/LA for 48 hours; time-intensive company is in town. Thanks!
Yeah, I said that he voted before he asked me that question. And that looks like he was metadiving Seanald on his own and ran into a Seanald scum game where I played against him and wanted to compare notes.In post 6243, PeregrineV wrote:Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean.In post 6242, ffullisade wrote:Peregrine, this exchange is one of the main reasons why I don't believe that Nacho is red scum.
He voted Seanald before asking me this question. And asking me this question could have easily led to a resounding "yeah Seanald is scum" if he couldn't accurately predict what sort of meta takeaways I was using at the time. My takeaways are a work in progress and I doubt anybody could predict with much certainty how I would have answered that question when it was asked.
In post 4462, ffullisade wrote:The vengeball game is the only game that I've played with Seanald so I don't have a town baseline. His posts in this game are different though. Not as defeatest. More aggressive. More opinionated.In post 4455, Nachomamma8 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
ffery, I read this game and I don't think Seanald is scum here.
Do you agree or am I reading too much into his approach?
By nature, it seems that vengeball is intense and posture-y in some of the same ways as popcorn mafia, which leaves scum players with a limited and dangerous repertoire (from my perspective as someone who is terrible with scum roles). I am not sure how good a vengeball-informed scum baseline will be in pointing up scum behaviors in other games.
Do you think vengeball scum play generalizes to other games?
I'm not comfortable voting him today.
He voted Seanald before you answered, and also before you answered he was voting me 4458, so I'm missing your point.
In post 4475, AngryPidgeon wrote:<<< Tempted as I am to just delete this post in favor of my own, I'll leave it in here and use it. >>>
One-Hundred-Sixth Votecount:(Thirty-Ninth Votecount of Day Three,AKA, the "Synchronized Mod Activity" votecount.)
Seanald - 6 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, Desperado, penguin_alien, Cephrir)
Nero Cain - 3 (CrashTextDummie, Kublai Khan, Bulbazak)
Bulbazak - 2 (Nero Cain, Human Destroyer)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Not Voting - 3 (Seanald, Rena, ffullisade)
With18alive, it's10to lynch.
Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).
If deadline were to hit now,Seanaldwould be lynched.
Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
The Malakittens half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until July 15th.
PeregrineV is V/LA until July 11th.
Human Destroyer is V/LA until Sunday, July 11th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.
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meIn post 6246, fferyllt wrote:Yeah, I said that he voted before he asked me that question. And that looks like he was metadiving Seanald on his own and ran into a Seanald scum game where I played against him and wanted to compare notes.In post 6243, PeregrineV wrote:Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean.In post 6242, ffullisade wrote:Peregrine, this exchange is one of the main reasons why I don't believe that Nacho is red scum.
He voted Seanald before asking me this question. And asking me this question could have easily led to a resounding "yeah Seanald is scum" if he couldn't accurately predict what sort of meta takeaways I was using at the time. My takeaways are a work in progress and I doubt anybody could predict with much certainty how I would have answered that question when it was asked.
In post 4462, ffullisade wrote:The vengeball game is the only game that I've played with Seanald so I don't have a town baseline. His posts in this game are different though. Not as defeatest. More aggressive. More opinionated.In post 4455, Nachomamma8 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
ffery, I read this game and I don't think Seanald is scum here.
Do you agree or am I reading too much into his approach?
By nature, it seems that vengeball is intense and posture-y in some of the same ways as popcorn mafia, which leaves scum players with a limited and dangerous repertoire (from my perspective as someone who is terrible with scum roles). I am not sure how good a vengeball-informed scum baseline will be in pointing up scum behaviors in other games.
Do you think vengeball scum play generalizes to other games?
I'm not comfortable voting him today.
He voted Seanald before you answered, and also before you answered he was voting me 4458, so I'm missing your point.
In post 4475, AngryPidgeon wrote:<<< Tempted as I am to just delete this post in favor of my own, I'll leave it in here and use it. >>>
One-Hundred-Sixth Votecount:(Thirty-Ninth Votecount of Day Three,AKA, the "Synchronized Mod Activity" votecount.)
Seanald - 6 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, Desperado, penguin_alien, Cephrir)
Nero Cain - 3 (CrashTextDummie, Kublai Khan, Bulbazak)
Bulbazak - 2 (Nero Cain, Human Destroyer)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Not Voting - 3 (Seanald, Rena, ffullisade)
With18alive, it's10to lynch.
Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).
If deadline were to hit now,Seanaldwould be lynched.
Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
The Malakittens half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until July 15th.
PeregrineV is V/LA until July 11th.
Human Destroyer is V/LA until Sunday, July 11th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.
Last votecount was page 178, post 4426.Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
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I think a scum trajectory would be different, and probably wouldn't involve a vote at all.
So did I.
