Consulmaker - Carthage wins!

[Mastermind of Sin]

But can you get two vetoes every time you are Tribune? Ask the mod for clarification if you don't know. If we can eventually confirm you are protown, it makes sense for you to be Tribune EVERY day, since that'll give us an extra veto each day.

Tribunal Vote Count

Mastermind of Sin - 4(Zindaras, Primate, TheEyeOfMordor, ~N9V~)
Raffles - 4(Raffles, Cephrir, Battle Mage, Panzerjager)
Kison - 1(mole)
Cheesefan - 1(Kison)
Rand Althor - 1(Rand Althor)
mole - 1(AndrewS)
Panzerjager - 1(livingod)

[AndrewS]

But can you get two vetoes every time you are Tribune? Ask the mod for clarification if you don't know. If we can eventually confirm you are protown, it makes sense for you to be Tribune EVERY day, since that'll give us an extra veto each day.

Now let's not jump to conclusions here...Even if Panzer has this ability, it's not necessarily wise to let the same player have it repeatedly.

[PJ.]

Yes, I get an extra veto everyday. Unless CES is using his right to lie/leave things out to me.

[PJ.]

Andrewus, I will agree with you. I believe I shouldn't get it multiple days unless I have proven Myself worthy of the honor..and am not dead.

[Mastermind of Sin]

But can you get two vetoes every time you are Tribune? Ask the mod for clarification if you don't know. If we can eventually confirm you are protown, it makes sense for you to be Tribune EVERY day, since that'll give us an extra veto each day.

Now let's not jump to conclusions here...Even if Panzer has this ability, it's not necessarily wise to let the same player have it repeatedly.

Hence me saying that "If we can eventually confirm you protown, it makes sense for you to be Tribune EVERY day". Until then, I see no reason to elect him every day, since we can't necessarily trust him.

[Zindaras]

To be honest, I don't think Tribune vetos are as important as you're making them to be. I doubt that one extra veto will really help the town.

There are two Tribunes with each one vote. The other Consul can veto at his discretion. We'll have 3 weeks to execute someone. What do you expect the Consuls to do, randomly execute someone? There will be a reasoning behind the Consuls' approach of execution, and to say that we need as many vetoes as possible is overdone.

[Battle Mage]

can we even be sure this is a protown role? i mean it could be a scum role that is used to protect their own...
BM

When I am tribune I get two vetoes. When I am not Tribune, I get no vetoes. I'd be a normal Tribune with 2 vetoes. Thats pretty much it.

[Raffles]

Zindy, I think your argumnet depends on how often a veto is used. I personally never played kingmaker before so I don't know, but someone else can fill me in for me on this one.

[Kison]

To be honest, I don't think Tribune vetos are as important as you're making them to be. I doubt that one extra veto will really help the town.

It wouldn't be a huge benefit early on in the game as there are far more townies than scum. I'd say this role would have been better to use later in the game. Unfortunately, the role was claimed, so he'd probably be a target before then.

can we even be sure this is a protown role? i mean it could be a scum role that is used to protect their own...
BM

No, that's what MoS and I have said already.

[Zindaras]

can we even be sure this is a protown role? i mean it could be a scum role that is used to protect their own...
BM

Everything

could

be a scum role. To be honest, I find it far more likely that he's town. Your attempt to cast doubt on Panzer is noted.

Zindy, I think your argumnet depends on how often a veto is used. I personally never played kingmaker before so I don't know, but someone else can fill me in for me on this one.

There are no vetos in Kingmaker.

[Battle Mage]

your attempt to palm off my suspicions on Panzer is also noted.

can we even be sure this is a protown role? i mean it could be a scum role that is used to protect their own...
BM

Everything

could

be a scum role. To be honest, I find it far more likely that he's town. Your attempt to cast doubt on Panzer is noted.

Zindy, I think your argumnet depends on how often a veto is used. I personally never played kingmaker before so I don't know, but someone else can fill me in for me on this one.

There are no vetos in Kingmaker.

[Mastermind of Sin]

You're so linear, BM.

[Battle Mage]

huh?

You're so linear, BM.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Let me put it this way, you're begging the question, so to speak.

[Battle Mage]

sorry im having trouble understanding what you mean.
please just say it in english
BM

Let me put it this way, you're begging the question, so to speak.

[Mastermind of Sin]

What are your parameters?

[Zindaras]

Concordantly, we should, as it were, cessate the awareness of Battle Mage in terms of this game. Q.E.D.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Don't compare apples to oranges, Zindaras. In terms of relevance, the cessation of BM's awareness calls for a concrete analysis vis-a-vis our Consuls, as referred to in Jeep's "Mafia Principles" article, circa 2003.

[AndrewS]

That's WIFOM.

[Mastermind of Sin]

As it were, AndrewS, vis a vis origin of WIFOM, according to Mack McKaun's article in the latest issue of Fallibility, an argumentative conscuascious of such a WIFOM argument is virtually nonexistant, and therefore entirely irrelevant.

[Raffles]

On a contray, an unclutured one might say "You' re talking a load of crap".

[Zindaras]

Don't compare apples to oranges, Zindaras. In terms of relevance, the cessation of BM's awareness calls for a concrete analysis vis-a-vis our Consuls, as referred to in Jeep's "Mafia Principles" article, circa 2003.

You're begging the question. Mith's "Better Mafia Principles" article, circa 2008, clearly suggests that we should verily cessate Battle Mage's awareness in terms of this game, i.e. compel him to expire.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Your use of the term WIFOM is quite wrong, so to speak.

[Mastermind of Sin]

On a contray, an unclutured one might say "You' re talking a load of crap".

Sine qua non

[Mastermind of Sin]

Don't compare apples to oranges, Zindaras. In terms of relevance, the cessation of BM's awareness calls for a concrete analysis vis-a-vis our Consuls, as referred to in Jeep's "Mafia Principles" article, circa 2003.

You're begging the question. Mith's "Better Mafia Principles" article, circa 2008, clearly suggests that we should verily cessate Battle Mage's awareness in terms of this game, i.e. compel him to expire.

Your use of logical fallacy combined with inescapably false factualizations astounds me, Zindaras. Mith, having yet to write said article, cannot yet have supplanted the established principles set forth by Jeep and amended by Pheobus in his "Mafia Principles Redux" article, circa 2005. These guidelines,

a fortiori

, provide us with the materials needed to prove that our Consuls have given us substance to work with

ab absurdo

, per se.