Open 530 "WSoB" (Stack the Deck): GAME OVER

pieguyn · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:22 pm

sorry, forgot this
@Alduskkel: what made it interesting how I used HoS instead of a vote?

Alduskkel · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:26 pm

Because usually FoSes and HoSes are used as pseudo-votes, not on people you are already voting.

I fail to see how I have done the same thing as Sakura.

Alduskkel · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:27 pm

Oh, by the way, it's not the lack of explanation, it's the lack of commitment. Saying something is interesting could mean so many things.

@Viera: Mind explaining how you got those townreads? Especially on Sakura.

Brian Skies · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:35 pm

Saki's recent surge of activity is kind of shocking. Does anyone find it indicative in any way?

Brian Skies · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:35 pm

EBWOP: I meant Vierra Assassin.

pieguyn · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:42 pm

In post 47, Alduskkel wrote:Sheeping

Vote: Sakura

Interesting that you HoS when you're already voting.

In post 28, Sakura Hana wrote:And suddenly a venrob wagon starts. This is quite interesting.

seems pretty similar to me 0.0 how is it different?

Alduskkel wrote:Oh, by the way, it's not the lack of explanation, it's the lack of commitment. Saying something is interesting could mean so many things.

I meant explaining their position on the issue, wouldn't that be considered committing already?

Alduskkel · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:59 pm

@Brian: I don't think VA's activity "surge" is indicative of anything other than that VA needs to post more content.

@pieguy: I didn't take a stance on the HoS thing because there's not really a stance to be taken. It's not scummy or townie, it's just weird. On the other hand, the Venrob wagon is definitely something that people need to have a stance on.

I don't really know what you mean in the second part of your post, but I don't think Sakura has explained himself sufficiently.

pieguyn · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:19 pm

Alduskkel wrote:@pieguy: I didn't take a stance on the HoS thing because there's not really a stance to be taken. It's not scummy or townie, it's just weird. On the other hand, the Venrob wagon is definitely something that people need to have a stance on.

OK, that makes sense ~~ but I say saying something is weird without being town or scum can be a stance in itself, haha

Alduskkel wrote:I don't really know what you mean in the second part of your post, but I don't think Sakura has explained himself sufficiently.

I meant, if someone explains their position on an issue, they first have to commit to that position, else they can't explain it. what makes that a separate thing from committing? Sakura is she btw

Alduskkel wrote:On the other hand, the Venrob wagon is definitely something that people need to have a stance on.

if you say people need to have a stance, how come you're not pressuring more people to give a stance? notably, I saw you didn't pressure me or VA about it 0.0

Sakura Hana · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:22 pm

Ok since Alduskkel guy here cant take hints and can't read, My comment on RVS votes means that I agree with Venrob and that I think he's town hence the wagon shouldn't even exist.

pieguyn · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:40 pm

In post 83, Sakura Hana wrote:Ok since Alduskkel guy here cant take hints and can't read, My comment on RVS votes means that I agree with Venrob and that I think he's town hence the wagon shouldn't even exist.

can you link exactly where you said that plz

also, why shouldn't wagons on townies exist? Even if the person wagoned is town, then we can still tell from how people respond to the wagon information on who the mafia is. Saying the wagon shouldn't even exist is like saying we should just sit there and do nothing without even trying to obtain information, this scenario clearly doesn't benefit town = =

Sakura Hana · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:43 pm

Post 44

No I'm not saying wagons shouldn't exist, but the Ankamius wagon was better than the Venrob wagon because of the reasons I said earlier and could have POTENTIALLY obtained the reason for his self-vote rather than wagon someone for trying to obtain said info.
Would you build a wagon on an Innocent Child? Serious Question.

Brian Skies · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:43 pm

In post 84, pieguyn wrote:also, why shouldn't wagons on townies exist? Even if the person wagoned is town, then we can still tell from how people respond to the wagon information on who the mafia is. Saying the wagon shouldn't even exist is like saying we should just sit there and do nothing without even trying to obtain information, this scenario clearly doesn't benefit town = =

Slight townread on Pie.

Brian Skies · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:44 pm

In post 85, Sakura Hana wrote:Would you build a wagon on an Innocent Child? Serious Question.

Who's the innocent child?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:46 pm

No one in here obviously.

Brian Skies · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:46 pm

In post 88, Sakura Hana wrote:No one in here obviously.

I was talking about metaphorically (I'm assuming that was your point).

Sakura Hana · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:48 pm

Hypothetically assume there's an Innocent Child, would you wagon them?

Hope that's better worded.

Brian Skies · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:52 pm

No, it's a waste of time. But I don't think such a situation exists.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:55 pm

That question is still Directed at pieguy, but thanks for your answer.

Ankamius · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:01 pm

In post 31, Venrob wrote:Also, selfvoting is bad. It is scummy. Lynching yourself is anti-town, unless you are scum. Given that it is during RVS, it is flat out fucking idiotic, and still deserves a vote. I would link an example, but no ongoing game discussion...

For the first sentence, it's pretty obvious that it wasn't remotely bad. It single-handedly brought us out of RVS.

As for the rest of your post, that's all just varying levels of crap.

In post 36, Venrob wrote:Selfvoting in RVS has no reason to happen, and of course...... Voting someone for that is a legitimate vote, which gets town OUT of RVS. You are welcome.

In post 37, Venrob wrote:faking i posted and i was ninja'd, so it just posted now... Nothing makes me think that brian, but read above post; we are out of RVS, you are welcom.

Yeah, no. This is the scummiest thing in the entire thread so far. It's such a bad attempt to try to get towncred.

In post 51, thenewearth wrote:
In post 49, Alduskkel wrote:What is your opinion of the Venrob wagon?
What's your opinion on your sakura vote?

Wtf is this.

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UNVOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Venrob

Sakura Hana · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:11 pm

In post 93, Ankamius wrote:For the first sentence, it's pretty obvious that it wasn't remotely bad.
It single-handedly brought us out of RVS.

Oh the irony

pieguyn · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:17 pm

In post 92, Sakura Hana wrote:That question is still Directed at pieguy, but thanks for your answer.

ofc not, I don't see a point to doing that. There's no point in considering them as mafia, and thus also no point in seeing people's ideas on them, cause they're known to be town already

the whole thing with this is, we don't know 100% for sure if Venrob is town or not. By seeing people's ideas, reasons, and actions based around the possibilities, we can gain information as to who mafia could be. Even if you think the person being wagoned is town, it's useful to see what people do and possibly who can use the situation to their advantage (mafia)

that's srsly just common sense about this game and I think the reason you're not noticing it is cause you don't need to figure anything out. don't make arguments that make no sense plz

unvote, vote: Sakura

Sakura Hana · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:21 pm

If they make no sense then why did you answer it.

I liked your answer tho, more specifically the second paragraph, already got some info from you, so the question wasn't all that pointless, was it

pieguyn · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:33 pm

the reason it makes no sense is cause you're taking my words completely out of proportion. By answering how it's 2 completely different scenarios, I also answered the question.

Sakura wrote:so the question wasn't all that pointless, was it

if you srsly wanted to find out my reasoning, no, but as I said, I fail to see how something that can get more information outright "shouldn't exist" when it helps town. you know, your opposing faction

Sakura Hana · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:42 pm

So what information did you get from Venmar's wagon?

Alduskkel · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:58 pm

In post 82, pieguyn wrote:I meant, if someone explains their position on an issue, they first have to commit to that position, else they can't explain it. what makes that a separate thing from committing?

Well, you can commit without explaining, but it's very difficult/impossible to explain without committing.

In post 82, pieguyn wrote:
Alduskkel wrote:On the other hand, the Venrob wagon is definitely something that people need to have a stance on.
if you say people need to have a stance, how come you're not pressuring more people to give a stance? notably, I saw you didn't pressure me or VA about it 0.0

I suppose I could try to get EVERYONE to take a stance, but that's a bit difficult. Also, there's probably a lot of people who will comment on it without me poking them. The main reason I chose Sakura was because she mentioned the wagon but didn't give a real opinion on it.

But yeah, point taken. What's your opinion of the wagon, anyway?

@Ankamius: What's your opinion of Sakura? You just sort of popped in here to vote Venrob. By the way, I think that's just how Venrob plays. He explains stuff like that, I don't think it's an attempt at towncred. This is based on my experience with him in Open 472.
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Wish TNE would've stuck around to answer my question in post 62.