N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

[PeregrineV]

Hey guys- checking in to say replacing Katsuki. 20 pages isn't too bad, so should be caught up by tonight or tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Hey guys- checking in to say replacing Katsuki. 20 pages isn't too bad, so should be caught up by tonight or tomorrow.

sucks to be you having to come into someone else's mess. Sorry, but do not think you are going to say anything that will convince me that the slot is not scum based on your predecessor's actions.

Meh. I'm not, so if your read on me is set, you should hunt for my buddies for a while.

[PeregrineV]

I just checked and I'm 60% lynched. What did Katsuki do to piss everyone off?

[PeregrineV]

PV, why would you ask about the suspicion of Katsuki over well, anything else you could ask?

483

And if there is anything vital I should have already been told, then I expect someone will tell me.

[PeregrineV]

On page 5 right now.

[PeregrineV]

OK, all caught up.

I checked the 8-ball. It's either paranoid or insane, since I did the smart thing and asked about myself first.

Luna Lovegood* (Nachomamma8/Andrius hydra)- null-town
dopog* -nulltown
Dante -nulltown
DeasVail - not mafia
Shadowy Poison (Ms Marangal/Desperado hydra)- null town
Rail Tracer (Xegarus/zMuffinMan hydra) -null
PeaceBringer- townish
theloveofneroandmollie (Nero Cain/pirate mollie hydra)- town
mnemonicdevice*- null-scum
ooba- scummy
PeregrineV (replaced Katsuki)- all town
Nani*- scum
Metal Unites Mutley* (Metal Sonic/Mutleyddmc hydra)- I have no read, nor do I expect to get one, despite that fact this is a hydra. If I ever do, I will annoucne it. Null.
Viera Assassin- null
Vifam*- null but only while we wait for replacement.
Diabolik* (replaced SleepyKrew)- Sleepy was null with a drop of town
BBmolla- null

[PeregrineV]

I'm normally up for lynching the useless day1, but since we have a better chance of landing scum, I'd rather do that.

Vote: Nani

[PeregrineV]

God, this geme, someone tell me who I should vote and why.

PeregrineV (or) dopog - both have scummy posts - you pick between the two.

Let's chat. Which of my posts were scummy, and why?

[PeregrineV]

A reads list ugh.....

one that tries, in one fell swoop to cover all the scum sludge of kats...
perri is good player, I will say that... but whatever he says does not change facts.

The fact is that Kats alignment is my own, since I took over the spot. Saying I'm not scum or null or even town while maintaining Kats was scum just doesn't fly.

If you want to say Kats was scummy, that's fine. If you are going to tunnel on me now for the person that was here before me, let's chat.

[PeregrineV]

OK, all caught up.

I checked the 8-ball.

It's either paranoid or insane, since I did the smart thing and asked about myself first.

Luna Lovegood* (Nachomamma8/Andrius hydra)- null-town
dopog* -nulltown
Dante -nulltown
DeasVail - not mafia
Shadowy Poison (Ms Marangal/Desperado hydra)- null town
Rail Tracer (Xegarus/zMuffinMan hydra) -null
PeaceBringer- townish
theloveofneroandmollie (Nero Cain/pirate mollie hydra)- town
mnemonicdevice*- null-scum
ooba- scummy
PeregrineV (replaced Katsuki)- all town
Nani*- scum
Metal Unites Mutley* (Metal Sonic/Mutleyddmc hydra)- I have no read, nor do I expect to get one, despite that fact this is a hydra. If I ever do, I will annoucne it. Null.
Viera Assassin- null
Vifam*- null but only while we wait for replacement.
Diabolik* (replaced SleepyKrew)- Sleepy was null with a drop of town
BBmolla- null

I can see this guy knows how to play mafia.

I do like magic 8-balls!

With that said, it's a great RVS-gmaestarter vote.

We have since moved past that, and I would like to hear some current thoughts on the gamestate. Continuing to vote an 8-ball vote is

no bueno

.

[PeregrineV]

why is everyone avoiding the Pog wagon?

because while dopog may be scum, looks like kat/pv is as well... so not everyone avoiding dopog, just looking elsewhere...

I'll give you a claim.

Claim:

Confirm-able town PR

But, now that it's been brought up, where else are YOU looking?

[PeregrineV]

Let's chat. Which of my posts were scummy, and why?

Katsuki's 305 and 374.

You said I had scummy posts.

PeregrineV (or) dopog - both have scummy posts - you pick between the two.

Why are you showing me Katsuki psots?

[PeregrineV]

Will do more later.

[PeregrineV]

Claim: Confirm-able town PR

More please.

It's day1, I'm L-4, how much more you looking for?

[PeregrineV]

that kind of claim is spurious and cuts out the town from further evaluation. It is bad precendence to let anyone off on "comfirable power role." Period.

It's day1. I'm saying I'm a town PR. I'm saying I'm confirm-able as to that. I've now given you two additional pieces of information you did not have before to make an evaluation, so how does your post make any sense?

Oh yeah, besides me, who else is scum?

[PeregrineV]

Dopog:

First posts are wallotexts that look like a lot but don't say anything concrete, he voted Railtracer for pushing a wagon jokingly and then for being surprised about people scumreading that joke read. (115) Looks like a lot of contrieved reasons to call someone scum.

My problem is when I isoed him, the tone caught my attention:

Hi.

Sorry

nero the grammar in that last sentence was messed; didn't fully understand hehe.

Ahh

sorry

I'm just catching up nowyyy
But I'm getting into the mood again so that's cool

Hi.

Sorry

. Had to vote on saturday (haha) and then was super busy yesterday so couldn't post as I thought I would... : (

Hi. Ermmm

sorry

finding it hard to get back into the game after busyness. Think I may just post some of what I had down before;

That's kinda bumming - and yeah am a bit

sorry

for that, but all a bit unanticipated.(

Mafia subconsciousness at his best. Town simply cares less about perceptions.

I kind of get this, but want to hear a response from Dopog.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Dopog

Will get back before day ends if possible (I'm out of the office today).

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Dopog

Will get back before day ends if possible (I'm out of the office today).

[PeregrineV]

I really don't like this wagon.

I really don't like this wagon.

Makes two of us.

Analyze it post-flip.

[PeregrineV]

hmm

@PV

if you have no information to verify yourself today, in your first post, i want you to declare the first and last letters of each word in your role, as well as how many letters there are in each word.

e.g. if you had dopog's role, you'd put N _ _- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ e N _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ r

i'll consider refusal to do this a scum claim, since if you are town it shouldn't give scum any additional information, and if you're scum, i want to limit your fake-claims as much as possible.

I think I was N-blocked, so only one person can confrim anything. If no one can confirm it, I was indeed blocked.

As for the rolename? Sure.

N_ _ _ _e N_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _r

[PeregrineV]

I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(

A guilty as in he's scum, or guilty of some other crime?

[PeregrineV]

interesting.

i'm going to take a wild guess that all the town PRs in this game have negative utility associated with them (compulsive framer, "normaliser" what the fuck that means, daytalk enabler), which just makes me that much more curious as to how PV's role could be a verifiable PROTOWN role.

I never said that my role was verifiably protown.

I am town.

My role is confirmable, as there is tangible evidence my role exists.

My role otherwise has no utility, except what I as a player add.

[PeregrineV]

who do you currently think is scum?

Leaning strongly on Peace being scum.

Still not seeing full-Ooba-town.

None of these people: MuM, Millitos, Dante, Shadow, DV, Rail

[PeregrineV]

who do you currently think is scum?

Leaning strongly on Peace being scum.

Still not seeing full-Ooba-town.

None of these people: MuM, Millitos, Dante, Shadow, DV, Rail

tell you what, let's have town lynch me, when I turn up as claimed they can finally lynch you, mmkay...

OK, I'm good with this.

[PeregrineV]

@Luna: Well, now, I have no idea. No one seems to have confirmed that they were targeted by Pere... And he hasn't given us the name of his supposed target. I'm inclined to think he may be scum, but I'm willing to wait until everyone has said something.
I'd like to hear more from RC, too. Her claim needs more information. She claims a guilty result on someone, but has not voted. Seems fairly scummy to me, pointing the finger, but not actually placing the vote. If she's being truthful, of course, Peace needs to go first.

So, what happens now is, I wait some more and suggest that we keep an eye on PereV, RC, Peace and of course, my favourite suspect from yesterday, mnemonic.

What are your thoughts on all this?

I received a message in the night from another player that seems to indicate that they roleblocked me, although is was not called a roleblock.

If they are town, they wasted their time, unfortunately.
If they are scum, they need to do it again tonight.

[PeregrineV]

I'm a naive cop with a guilty on RadiantCowbell, so she should be fairly confirmed town unless anyone claims to have framed her.

I guess there could be a Sanity Switcher that gives me an alternate result or some bullshit.

Naive means always gets innocent regardless of actual alignment.

How can you, as a naive cop, get a guilty at all?

[PeregrineV]

Can you clarify the truthfulness of this? I mean, your lack of vote makes me struggle to take this seriously, but others seem to think it possible you're serious.

Exactly.

[PeregrineV]

To my role PM!

And Mtillos, I was told I was a Naive Cop, I also know the identity of a Paranoid one.

It says my result will always be innocent.

But I have a guilty on RadiantCowbells.

@mod: If a framer framed someone, and a naive cop investigated that player, what would happen?

I was thinking maybe if you were redirected, but no, because you couldn't get a guilty on your redirected target either.

Which means it is RadiantCowbells who interferes with results that are gotten on him. Maybe whoever targets him gets a result that is the opposite of what they would normally get.
But, that sounds beyond useless as a role of any sort.

The other is that you were messed with, so that your results come back false. This would suck were you a normal cop. Being a naive cop with set results means that it's obvious you were messed with.

Anyone have any other theories?

[PeregrineV]

I am in a neighborhood with one or more people. Assuming this is what is being referred to.

Did you join last night, or start the game this way?

[PeregrineV]

@Peace

- Please answer this.

IF u re networker this means there are town with a qt, unless u re a scum networker.so town with a qt should be able to confirm u ?

[PeregrineV]

IF u re networker this means there are town with a qt, unless u re a scum networker.so town with a qt should be able to confirm u ?

I would think so and that is what kept me from just saying lynch me on day one... it did seem like BBMolla is connected with someone and have him as town.

Maybe I should translate Diabolik.

You claimed Networker. If you networked town last night, they should be able to verify they have a QT with you to confirm your claim. Who is the person that will confirm you have a QT with them?

[PeregrineV]

Not only is that not what Diabolik was saying, it completely misunderstands the nature of peace's role.

- Des

OK, let's start at the beginning. If my translation is wrong, then what did Diabolik mean?

I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(

that is a lie or you are paranoid...
might as well claim then- my role is Networker. It is negative ultility. There may be logic in my dying, as anyone who has a QT has full access during the day as long as alive. I die they lose it.

IF u re networker this means there are town with a qt, unless u re a scum networker.so town with a qt should be able to confirm u ?

[PeregrineV]

@BB: And yet you're voting one of them. Specifically, the one who produced slightly more content, of the two.

Anyway, I have no idea what RC claimed. What is an Annie and what is a Tibbers?

It's from a video game League of Legends.

Despite the number of Ns in Annie, I think they were being cheeky.

[PeregrineV]

IF u re networker this means there are town with a qt, unless u re a scum networker.so town with a qt should be able to confirm u ?

I would think so and that is what kept me from just saying lynch me on day one... it did seem like BBMolla is connected with someone and have him as town.

Maybe I should translate Diabolik.

You claimed Networker. If you networked town last night, they should be able to verify they have a QT with you to confirm your claim. Who is the person that will confirm you have a QT with them?

Diabolik was actually saying this:

"If you are a networker, that means there are town with a QT...unless you are a scum networker. So town with a QT should be able to confirm you?"

Peace doesn't network anyone, his ability is passive: as long as he's alive, all active QTs have daytalk. He says so right here:

I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(

that is a lie or you are paranoid...
might as well claim then- my role is Networker. It is negative ultility. There may be logic in my dying, as anyone who has a QT has full access during the day as long as alive. I die they lose it.

How did you miss all this?

- Des

I think you missed something.

Networker is not a an Encoder.

[PeregrineV]

@RC: I'd like some more information from you. No references to other games, though. You claimed a guilty result on Peace. What is your role? Do you know how reliable this result is? Why did you not vote Peace, if you have a guilty result on him?

@Pere: Your links seem a bit off. Anyway, maybe Networker is just N's N-word for Encryptor? You know, like Namecaller was the N-word for Framer.

He presented us with his N-name (Networker), but not his regular rolename (Encoder/Encrypter)?

I guess that's possible, but why the confusion? Peace has been playing 9 years, I think that he would know and distinguish the difference between a Networker role and Networker role-name.

Vote: Peacebringer

[PeregrineV]

mnemonicdevice would be a secondary choice only because I don't recall anything specific from him. I'll go back and look at his day1.

[PeregrineV]

@RC: I'd like some more information from you. No references to other games, though. You claimed a guilty result on Peace. What is your role? Do you know how reliable this result is? Why did you not vote Peace, if you have a guilty result on him?

@Pere: Your links seem a bit off. Anyway, maybe Networker is just N's N-word for Encryptor? You know, like Namecaller was the N-word for Framer.

He presented us with his N-name (Networker), but not his regular rolename (Encoder/Encrypter)?

I guess that's possible, but why the confusion? Peace has been playing 9 years, I think that he would know and distinguish the difference between a Networker role and Networker role-name.

Vote: Peacebringer

that is really stretching things on your end and from what I have seen better player than this... I do not give a flying fig what the "role is normally" called, as it is called what it is this game and pretty straight forward. I do not believe you are stupid, therefore scum.

Actually, my role has an N-name and the regular name for the role. How does yours not have this if the 2 are not the same?

[PeregrineV]

busy atm, but just to interject here.

@PV

do you not believe that he is a daytalk enabler?

I don't know. My questions is, why not just say so?

if you don't believe this, then why do you think he'd claim it?
and if you do believe this, then why the fuck do you think he'd lie about his role name (as town or scum)?

The role could be town or mafia. I've never seen it as town, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
If he's called the Nightkiller, and his role is to enable QTs to have daytalk, does that eliminate the existence of a vig?
Peace claimed Networker, and his role is to enable QTs to have daytalk, so it's obvious there is no neighborizor?

My point is that there is a lot more confusion in his claim (made with no votes on him) then there needed to be.

your vote is really weak.

It may be. Show me three or more of Peace's strongest town-posts this game. Then I'll reconsider my read.

[PeregrineV]

the only reason PV is going after me because using language here, I am "tunnelled" on him. There has been nothing in play or behavior that makes me see things differently.

You have no scumreads (ooba posted something scummy, and Sleepy claimed Miller are your reads.)
You call three people town and the rest are null (139).
You vote Katsuki for meta (143,160) one page after calling him town (139).
In 306, you completely deny 143.
After he replaces out, you maintain the slot is scum for the same reasons (483).

In addition, you claimed with no votes and no pressure (833).
You also claim "negative utility", the exact same reason you voted Sleepy/Diabolik (41).
So, you claim to be town, and think Sleepy is scum for claiming the same thing in your PM?

None of this is town, and you are not town.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Peregrine

Anything town about him?

You just outted yourself as scum.

You should have waited to survival vote me until you had more votes on you. Then it would look legit.

[PeregrineV]

@RC: Do you also confirm that you are a paranoid cop, who knew his sanity from the start? And also that BB is a naive cop? Furthermore, do the two of you have daytalk, currently? And is there anyone else in your QT?

@Pere: Did you ever tell us whom you targeted last night? If not, could you please do so?

I targeted Rail Tracer last night.

[PeregrineV]

I am absolutely convinced that BB is scum.

Like the vodka?


Perhaps sharing the "why" will help share your absoluteness.

[PeregrineV]

Why didn't you this question when you first received the investigation?
Why didn't you confirm that the result was correct immediately?

Because I assumed it was a framer. It just made most sense to me. Only when people started going "No, sanity always triumphs over framer shit!" did I go "Okay, one way to resolve this.
Because I assumed it was. That would have been a fucking ENORMOUS mod error and I assumed that it was a wierd but correct result, not a mod error.

Why did you assume it wasn't a mod error?

Vote: BBMolla

I think I want to go here for a moment because I don't buy the way he's been reacting to the mod error because he doesn't actually seem at all frustrated about it and not questioning a guilty result as a naive cop is weird as hell.

Having it be a mod error means things makes more sense and there's less guesswork I have to do. I did question what the result meant, hence asking in my neighborhood and in thread. I trust my mods enough to not make mistakes like that.

Timing of "oh. this is a mod error." is also pretty shitty because it comes a minute after another post he made; seems strange that he would make a post, check QT, makes another post. It also seems weird that N didn't PM him and instead posted in the QT even though posting in the QT confirms his error to RC.

Made a post, inbox had one message, read it, "MOD ERROR!", "oh, awkward, it was error", look in QT, "it was an error."

Recieved both dood.

If your fishing for a modkill, then just post your role PM and get it over with.

Otherwise, let it go and either we think it's true or we don't.

[PeregrineV]

So, you claim to be town, and think Sleepy is scum for claiming the same thing in your PM?

this is borderline retarded logic.

i didn't begin suspecting that town could be full of negative utility roles until after the two flips + networker claim + sleepy hinting at it.

you're misrepresenting this.

I'm saying he saw his role PM, thought negative utility, Sleepy claimed negative utility, and his first thought was scum?
That's borderline retarded logic.

the rest of the things you said in #1008 aren't really any better, but peacebringer can defend himself on them. this was just so poor i had to mention it.

I'm sure Peace appreciates it.

I targeted Rail Tracer last night.

what was your read on me n1?

Mostly null. Was hoping your reaction today would give me more info to decide.

[PeregrineV]

the only reason PV is going after me because using language here, I am "tunnelled" on him. There has been nothing in play or behavior that makes me see things differently.

You have no scumreads (ooba posted something scummy, and Sleepy claimed Miller are your reads.)
You call three people town and the rest are null (139).
You vote Katsuki for meta (143,160) one page after calling him town (139).
In 306, you completely deny 143.
After he replaces out, you maintain the slot is scum for the same reasons (483).

In addition, you claimed with no votes and no pressure (833).
See I am not claim adverse, contray to the culture around here it seems. Someone proclaims an incorrect view, going to call

them on it,particularly with a negative utility claim which may be of benefit if I die

You also claim "negative utility", the exact same reason you voted Sleepy/Diabolik (41).

Actually I never state my reason other than the weird to me play needed for sussing out. Fishing for reactions, it led to the exposure of kat/you

So, you claim to be town, and think Sleepy is scum for claiming the same thing in your PM?

nope, sleepy is town

None of this is town, and you are not town.

[b'] everything that you call not town is null. You are simply seeking to discredit one calling you scum. I do not blame you, it is what you have to do. The more you pull this stuff out the more you reveal yourself to be scum. [/b]

Yes, you need to continue calling me scum to avoid creating interactions with other players. And that's OK. It effectively locks you down in thread until a vig gets around to you.

[PeregrineV]

You butting in just makes you look that you're trying to either stop RC from potentially slipping up, or alternatively protect people from the consequences of their lies.

You don't think he has a point?

RC is my strongest town read.

Why?

I agree that there were some weird things there, but I don't think it's common practice to assume a mod error,

You would assume a frame instead?
What do you think of Molla in general?

The main thing of late, however, is the push for N to publicly reveal whether or not a mod error occurred. It is pushier than I'd expect from Nacho, and I think it's just an attempt to look town where in fact it just doesn't really do anything for the town.

When a mod error is corrected halfway into the day, it should probably be revealed just because it's easier and clearer to all involved. This is a position I'd end up taking regardless of alignment; not a big deal, but better modding practice.

Way off topic, but for N to admit in thread that he sent BBmolla the wrong results PM would basically be mod-confirming him, and bad practice.

Please drop and vote for Peace. His death will end scum daytalk (830).

[PeregrineV]

Updated.

the only reason PV is going after me because using language here, I am "tunnelled" on him. There has been nothing in play or behavior that makes me see things differently.

You have no scumreads (ooba posted something scummy, and Sleepy claimed Miller are your reads.)
You call three people town and the rest are null (139).
You vote Katsuki for meta (143,160) one page after calling him town (139).
In 306, you completely deny 143.
After he replaces out, you maintain the slot is scum for the same reasons (483).

In addition, you claimed with no votes and no pressure (833).
You also claim "negative utility", the exact same reason you voted Sleepy/Diabolik (41).
So, you claim to be town, and think Sleepy is scum for claiming the same thing in your PM?

A player claims a guilty on you(830). Knowing your alignment, you accuse them of lying or being paranoid(833). But, you don't think they are scum.

None of this is town, and you are not town.

[PeregrineV]

If your fishing for a modkill, then just post your role PM and get it over with.

Otherwise, let it go and either we think it's true or we don't.

All of those things were responses to my questions.

Then what are your thoughts on BBmolla? Is he scum or town?

[PeregrineV]

@BBmolla- You mean like 1039, where I said please drop it?

Instead- why does RadiantCowbells have a scumread on you, do you think?

[PeregrineV]

@Luna: He may have a point, but it's not a point I'm interested in.

@Pere: So, wait, are you voting Peace because you believe he's scum, or to end scum daytalk? It would also end BB and RC's daytalk. Shouldn't we go for other scum, first?

I think there is a strong chance he's scum, and said why. For those that don't believe any of my case, then they can lynch him to deprive scum of daytalk.

RC apparently thinks BB is scum, so guessing their QT is currently underutilized.

Also thinking Nero/Mollie role would have made them normal cops, and with him dead they are just VTs, so their QT is only as useful to them as they make it.

If Mnemonicdevice has to go first, fine. But I don't see town-Peace, and find more reasons to believe scum-Peace.

[PeregrineV]

and, Pv, who's to say that there aren't other groups, pro-town groups, who have day talk?

what is the motivation to have claimed such a thing? even as an encryptor, I would think that he would have claimed something far better then a networker

If there are masons, then I doubt their play will be boosted with daytalk.

Scum having daytalk, otoh, let's them coordinate far better.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote
Vote: Mitillos

- Des

What is it you dislike about his play?

[PeregrineV]

Hey Majiffy. Want to cross-tunnel with me again?

Mebbe. I'll let you know.

Hey how do you think I found out (!) ?

Are you always this slow or are you just mimicking your persona and popping excessive amounts of Valium before you interact with others?

I hoped if you saw my name then you would at least be like "Hi Nacho!" and not be such an asshole, but I hoped for too much.

You should know me better than that.

Apparently we're close to deadline? And so that means the 44 pages I haven't read won't be getting read before then. So I would like a list of at least 3 and no more than 5 people to ISO so I can decide where to place my vote.

Now accepting applicants.

Do these 5.
mnemonicdevice
Peeacebringer
PeregrineV
Luna Lovegood
Shadowy Poison

[PeregrineV]

also did not realize I had not posted since Sunday... this game has really slowed to a crawl...
since folks appear to want to let PV go buy yet another day....

vote Mitillos

Another scummy vote from naughty scum.

Vote: mnemonicdevice

[PeregrineV]

also did not realize I had not posted since Sunday... this game has really slowed to a crawl...
since folks appear to want to let PV go buy yet another day....

vote Mitillos

Another scummy vote from naughty scum.

Vote: mnemonicdevice

So you go and say this, and then vote me? I don't think you know how this game works.

Yes, I'm confused about how the game works. Please tell me.

[PeregrineV]

@Pere: Are you suggesting that mnemonic is bussing, by voting Peace? I'm not so sure about Peace being scummy any more, due to his claim, despite the fact that it came at a weird time.

@Majiffy: Kmd *is* Nani. That's whom he replaced.

Look at the vote:

Well everyone, I'm town. Just normal town. If we are going to kill town, lets kill a negative utility instead.

VOTE: Peacebringer

Calls Peace town while still voting him?

[PeregrineV]

unvote

Haven't read a thing. Someone convince me to sheep them before I do.

Read these 5 ISOs, give us an opinion, then we'll tell you who to sheep.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5352217

[PeregrineV]

Motherf-

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn......


Bah!

[PeregrineV]

Most effective Noodle-Giver. Ever.

@N- thanks for modding and letting me play. Despite dying early, I enjoyed playing it.