NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Ms Marangal]

we both have him null-leaning town mollie. The battle with HD/OM Hydra looks TvT

-Mara

[Ms Marangal]

WTF?

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

tomorrow, we get scum.

~Mara

[Ms Marangal]

WHY IS EVERYONE AVOIDING MY EDDIE CASE.

He makes a far better wagon than OS.

~Mara

[Ms Marangal]

Okay, fair enough.

I think you'll see that I'm not his buddy when Haylen flips blue though.

This doesn't stop you from flipping red scum

~Mara

[Ms Marangal]

Mollie, I was calling you stupid because you were being stupid. we told you we wouldn't be available for so many hours and you continued to call us out regardless.

We did tell you that we were both at work, and I at least told you that I will talk to you when I can about whatever you want but you wouldn't leave it at that.

When you originally asked me for it, I was at work and I gave you a list of what I think who is where. 3911 was that list.

I have also never give explanation on a null-read. they are null for a reason.

I am also not trying to AtE the fuck out of you, Mala isn't either and I told her she needs to cool down for a bit before she comes back in here to talk to you.

we aren't trying to do any of those things, at least I'm not intentionally trying to do any of those things.

Mala did ask for your read on Desp, She wanted to talk to Ffery about it but she did ask you why you thought Desp was town and the answer isn't even the best answer you could have given her.

and why would town be desperate to avoid a mislynch? that is, and always will be a scum-trait mollie, and the fact that Mala isn't even trying to wiggle out of this lynch or the fact that I'm not jumping on the biggest wagon, but trying to push my own should tell you something.

the fact that either of us aren't willing to jump onto Nacho or Thad, the fact that I oppose both of them should tell you that we don't really care about being lynched.

You aren't even looking at the points I brought up since I got back, you brought up the exact same line to KK that I am.

You havn't even looked at my town-case for Nero

I am trying to work with you, and talk to you but you are making it hard for the both of us.

[Ms Marangal]

Holy fuck Nacho, I just spent an hour working with Mala to do a full list of reads. use it

~Mara

[Ms Marangal]

Question to AK specifically because she's expressed a solid town read on 4/6 of the people voting Nero: If he's town, why aren't scum jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him?

Town Driven mis-lynch wagons are Rare and Glorious as fuck. If scum have a chance of doing stuff without actually participating and be hidden, why not take it?

Scum aren't always on a mislynch wagon, I know that as scum I have stayed away from mis-lynch wagons and let town do the work for me because, often times they will especially when there's a strong person advocating for it.

also, jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him now is very likely to get any of them under heat and, having reduced numbers mean that they need to be more conscientious as to what they are doing

~Mara

[Ms Marangal]

She's directing you to where she thinks Thad dropped his relative tell

[Ms Marangal]

We should still be lynching Bulb, even if he's town he'll be nothing but a distraction/no one will miss him.

I'll miss him. He's just as Obv town as you are Nero

6 more hours~~

~Mara

[Ms Marangal]

Fuck off Nacho

Pedit: UNVOTE:

we aren't doing shit until I come home tomorow

[Ms Marangal]

Yet...

you vote with us?

[Ms Marangal]

I changed my mind

I'm staying, but as Mara. Mala doesn't these kinds of attacks that she has been having, and it would be pretty shitty to have someone else inherit this slot

[Ms Marangal]

No

[Ms Marangal]

Not right now at least

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: nacho
VOTE: nacho
VOTE: Nacho

[Ms Marangal]

One red or two.

Explain this.

you and nacho were the only ones voting our slot

[Ms Marangal]

we never unvoted?

and I think Nacho is red scum with bulb, or did

I think he's bussing Nacho, explains why he's voting him over me when he apparently has a stronger read on me

[Ms Marangal]

er

me

I never unvoted, I still think Nacho is scum though

[Ms Marangal]

UNVOTE:

[Ms Marangal]

we never unvoted?

and I think Nacho is red scum with bulb, or did

I think he's bussing Nacho, explains why he's voting him over me when he apparently has a stronger read on me

What do you think of the uneven scumteams theory?

Plausible I guess, but Paranoia say it you using this theory to hide the fact that you "scum-slipped" earlier when you speculated scum-teams numbers though...


FFery/mollie, why havn't I got the answer to who the people that are in that /ohmaigodkillmenow group when I asked for it days ago? Mollie said that she thinks that there is town there, but she it doesn't look like she has reconsidered who is exactly in that group.

You guys keep saying that you guys are re-evaluating your town reads, but there hasn't been any sign of that in thread until recently when I stated that we are both replacing out (which really shouldn't mean that I am town anyway)

Why is it that, I don't really see any kind of revamping reads from your slot?

thanks for the clarification on 6105, I had thought you were saying there was one or two scum on our wagon

Bulb, if you don't care who gets lynched then why won't you attack me? our slot has been far more easier to push a wagon on, there is alot less resistance on the push for our wagon compared to Nacho wagon, and overall the performance of our slot, and my own personal performance hasn't been the best. There are alot of things that are easier to push us on compared to nacho

furthermore on your little paragraph about me, alot of those posts are still not my actions, but the Mala's (except maybe for the replace out I guess?) and I don't think that my level of AtE wasn't that high, or out of bounds this game, but even if it was it isn't scummy, and even if I was spewing AtE like there was no tomorrow, why are you using it as a means to scum-read me? You've seen me get overly emotional as town, You've seen me get accused of AtE as town, hell you've seen me give up because my reads weren't as good as I had wanted them to be even though we were ahead. You've seen how irrational I get emotion wise so why are you even trying to push that angle?

as for the buddying, You've also seen me hard defend people I have as town regardless of how much backing I have to those reads. You've seen me hard defend my town reads, that is what I have been doing this game

as for not wanting to bus my partner, yeah no. Ceph was, and has been one of my top scum-reads that I have tried to push and, if I had him as a scum read for the sole reason that Jiffy had one, one would think that I would move on from that read but I didn't. I added to my list of people to attack, sure (Thor, Thadand Khan) and I was wrong, as all fuck, but I never let go of that scum-read I had on Ceph. as for not wanting to lynch seanald even when I had him as a scum-read?

Sweetie, Have you seen how I have treated my partners as scum? yes, I have buddied my partners as scum before, I have hard-core defended them, but it hasn't happened often and if I am going to decide to even do that, I will have them move to a town-read before hand. There is a reason to why my scum-buddies aren't found via association to me, but rather associations of my other partners should there ever be other flips. It's because I do extremely well at masking associative, as well as making fake ones that it's hard to even use that angle against me. If I was going to hard defend seanald, I wouldn't have soft-bussed him before that

[Ms Marangal]

I could understand Nacho maybe, but Pere?

I don't see how, given he has been considered essentially cleared by the majority, and most people aren't even thinking of attacking him. the only ones I can think of, is us and maybe Nacho, but even then he's hardly getting attention from anyone

I don't recall you ever flipping your read on us, you've been calling us solid scum all day except for the most recent pages where I had replaced.

[Ms Marangal]

So, your /ohmaigodkillmenow Group was Pere because

a few people were suspecting him regardless of his claim, even though one of them was a major scum-read? also, because Nacho has a stronger town-read on you compared to Pere?

and Nacho, for some pretty obvious reasons I think, Given he has been a top suspect all game for alot of people, myself included and has been pushed by multiple different people, and could be a decently easy mislynch if he is town

[Ms Marangal]

also, why did it take the replacing out (which is null) for you to flip your read on us when (I think) there were other, more reliable things to draw upon for a possible town-read on this slot?

[Ms Marangal]

I'm trying to figure out how you guys are sorting out who is and isn't town, because I think you guys are being selective in that process and I think that, there is a little disconnect with what you guys have stated today, with the kinds of actions you guys are exhibiting. I'm trying to figure if it's a misunderstanding between ideals

why are you being defensive mollie?

[Ms Marangal]

well, sure. assuming I have a town-read on you guys

I personally think that scum is within the GOD TOWN group

FOS: Ffulisades

I don't work with people I think are scum. Sometimes, I suspend disbelief and talk to someone as though I can see they are town, and I see what sort of echoes I get back. I've done that a few times in this game, and have never really gotten back a "lets get this shit sorted out" feel back. When I or Mollie back off, then you seem happy with that and move on.

Really?

this coming from the person who followed Nacho's every vote and every word, and every little thing he did as if it was the bible when you believed him to be scum in a Micro?

Second, That is out of line even if you are scum. Mala has been trying to reach out to you, even when her hydra partner no longer had a town-read on you, even when her partner Doesn't want to work with you. What your doing is absolute shit, and you need to stop.

and, if you just so happen to be town you cant even make a read outside of personal shit and Mala shouldn't have to deal with this

I've personally don't want to deal with this anymore

Mod: this entire slot is outing.

Tracey's Micro

Has anyone seen Peregrine?

Semi-back today.

Who is the blue scum?


Who is the red scum?

Bulb and nacho are red

Mollie/ffer is blue

Revelations came today but isn't enough to get town out of this hole

Its pretty obvious that we don't stand a chance against scum


And its kinda cruel for them to give us a slimmer of false hope

[Ms Marangal]

Bulb, if you don't care who gets lynched then why won't you attack me? our slot has been far more easier to push a wagon on, there is alot less resistance on the push for our wagon compared to Nacho wagon, and overall the performance of our slot, and my own personal performance hasn't been the best. There are alot of things that are easier to push us on compared to nacho

I think both you and Nacho are red scum, which means I don't care which of you 2 are lynched today, as long as one of you are. When I was finishing my reads, I noticed that you had placed a vote on Nacho, so I voted there as well. Otherwise, I would have been conferring with Ffullisade and PV, my 2 townreads, on which of you 2 we should be voting. Since then, though, Nacho has tipped his hand quite a bit, so I'd really like for him to eat rope.

Also, what's with this "our slot has been easier to lynch" crap? This is not the first time you've said something like that to me. It's like you're trying to paint my suspicion of your slot as opportunism.

furthermore on your little paragraph about me, alot of those posts are still not my actions, but the Mala's (except maybe for the replace out I guess?) and I don't think that my level of AtE wasn't that high, or out of bounds this game, but even if it was it isn't scummy, and even if I was spewing AtE like there was no tomorrow, why are you using it as a means to scum-read me? You've seen me get overly emotional as town, You've seen me get accused of AtE as town, hell you've seen me give up because my reads weren't as good as I had wanted them to be even though we were ahead. You've seen how irrational I get emotion wise so why are you even trying to push that angle?

Again, I don't really care which of you said what in the long run, as it's still the same slot. I've played with you once before, and to be honest, your play that game really didn't stand out. If you did any sort of AtE, it wasn't memorable, whereas here, you've been AtEing all over the place, and I really don't think it's the town kind either.

as for the buddying, You've also seen me hard defend people I have as town regardless of how much backing I have to those reads. You've seen me hard defend my town reads, that is what I have been doing this game

I don't recall you saying "I don't like any of the lynches today, not even the one on that person I've stated is scum throughout the game.".

Sweetie, Have you seen how I have treated my partners as scum? yes, I have buddied my partners as scum before, I have hard-core defended them, but it hasn't happened often and if I am going to decide to even do that, I will have them move to a town-read before hand. There is a reason to why my scum-buddies aren't found via association to me, but rather associations of my other partners should there ever be other flips. It's because I do extremely well at masking associative, as well as making fake ones that it's hard to even use that angle against me. If I was going to hard defend seanald, I wouldn't have soft-bussed him before that

Yeah, this is crap. You made a boo boo and got caught. Deal with it.

No, I was challenging you to vote me. Nacho had accumulated one vote, I accumulated two at the point you decided to vote Nacho. My wagon was far more likely to go through in comparison's to Nacho yet you vote me over Nacho

how am I painting your suspicions on me as opportunism when I am challenging you to wagon me, and when I am "scum". It's only opportunistic if I am town so, in your mind, that thought shouldn't even be a thing

and yes, it does matter. If you are going to call me, the person, out for AtE you better back that up with actual post that were made by me. we are one slot, but you continue to say I am doing actions I didn't do.

and I didn't say "I don't like any of the lynches today" today, but that isn't what that post is saying. What it is saying I have defended people hardcore through the game, not just this day phase, this game

and for the last part, it isn't. You're calling me out as scum mostly for associatives, and quite frankly shitty ones at that. I'm pretty offended by the fact that any one could think that I could be so easily caught by something like that Especially with the thing I am most proud of doing as scum is being able to make false-associatives as scum, and making non-associatives with my buddies.

[Ms Marangal]

My wagon was far more likely to go through in comparison's to Nacho yet you vote me over Nacho

Nacho over me

[Ms Marangal]

Which of these reads takes priority for you, Nacho? Or are they not mutually exclusive?

ThAd read takes priority; doesn't make sense for redscum to have two killstoppers or for bluescum to have two roleblockers, so if we kill bluescum and there's no roleblockers, then ThAd dies instantly. The reads aren't necessarily mutually exclusive: if PV flips redscum, I'll be extremely suspicious of ThAd. If PV flips bluescum then I'd rather sort out the other blue before sorting Thad, if that makes sense.

this was stated when there were two blue flips

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: Bulb

I think I'm ready for this

[Ms Marangal]

I won't be around for two days, don't poke me!

<<< Got it. >>>

[Ms Marangal]

And as for AtE, you're doing it right now.

ok, how?

[Ms Marangal]

what emotion am I appealing to?

[Ms Marangal]

You saying otherwise is WIFOM.

Jiffy said the exact same thing to Tammy in the game that just ended!

[Ms Marangal]

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[Ms Marangal]

But wasn't this the entire point? To save me for the final mislynch?

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