NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Baezu]

/confirm

Hey All! Lemme have a chance to look at things tonight and I'll post my reads as soon as I can.

[Baezu]

Well I read through most of the thread and I actually agree with my predecessor's reads. Rena thad and nacho look scummy. AK and desp are null to scum. I know bulba is at L-1 but I'm not sure I want to hammer. If we reach deadline I will hammer but for now I feel he's null. If you have a specific person on whom you'd like me to give specific reads let me know. I'll write more once I'm on a computer

[Baezu]

VOTE: Rena

I'll explain why tonight when I'm on a computer.

[Baezu]

@mod - where is my vote on the vc?

<<< Forgot to add your name. Your vote is on Rena, between PeregrineV and Desperado. Should be fixed, now. >>>

[Baezu]

I mostly think Thad is scum for his fakeclaim.

Nacho is scummy for trying to push lynches, like the latest one:

PV you wanna vote Rena?

If Rena flips town like she claimed, I'm putting my vote here tomorrow.

You know what? I've reread the last few pages and I do think rena is leaning more town for me.

I think scum is hiding in the current wagons.

Really thinking Seanald and Nacho are scum. I'm changing my vote to:

VOTE: Seanald

because of a lot of things, not the least of which is this gem:

Why didn't you join any of the wagons yesterday penguin, your entire play yesterday boiled down to just posturing.

[Baezu]

yah

let's do this

Seanald has to go

[Baezu]

Desp, why not vote for Sean today?

[Baezu]

I apologize. Most weekends for me are semi v/la. Will resume Monday with full report!

[Baezu]

Desp, why not vote for Sean today?

Because everything Rena has said today has d fake/like she isn't reading the thread, despite her having an extremely powerful role that entirely depends on her ability to read the game and predict the scum's behavior. Her posts don't give any indication that she's capable of that, or even interested in doing so...which means she's faking it.

A role is only as good as the player. This player has no clue how to play this role, so she's playing it as vanilla. As I have said already.

Okay, I'm convinced. This is definitely coming from scum! I'm new too. I don't know how to play half the time either, but at least I don't play my PRs as VT. That's the point of having a PR. and it's fun to use your abilities. If you can't see that - you must not be a PR.

VOTE: Rena

[Baezu]

Agreed

VOTE: amethystkitty

[Baezu]

@ thad

come here honey you are starting to worry me a bit.

also why did baezu sub in if all he is going to do is immediately go on v/la and try to lurk out the rest of the game?

no

HELL NO

y'all don't make me use the shouty font

VOTE: baezu

How am I lurking? I've posted at least daily since getting back from V/la. Also, this is Bacde's slot. If you didn't have him as scum it means I'm not scum.

sorry AM. just trying to apply pressure. You're town - you're not getting lynched

Peregrine jumping on the wagon without explanation though is superscummy.

VOTE: Peregrine

[Baezu]

AK brought up something that I forgot about.

PV you wanna vote Rena?

If Rena flips town like she claimed, I'm putting my vote here tomorrow.

You know what? I've reread the last few pages and I do think rena is leaning more town for me.

I think scum is hiding in the current wagons.

Really thinking Seanald and Nacho are scum.

Baezu, if you are so sure that Nacho is scum, why aren't you voting him? And if you are no longer sure that Nacho is scum, what changed you mind? Also, explain the Amethyst Kitty vote.

The nacho vote was mostly as a tribute to bacde, who I know is extremely fond of nacho lynches. I'm not convinced about nacho either way, but from what bacde said, he can usually read nacho pretty well. I'm torn. I'd like to vote nacho based on bacde's experience with him but I can't really justify doing it because I haven't had much experience with him.

Who knows? I may get a bug later and vote for nacho anyway just to honor my predecessor - crazy game, this mafia...

[Baezu]

Don't misrep me. I never said I wanted CTD lynched. if I did my vote would be on him which it isn't.

I don't see how you

aren't

following PoE and going by your own reads if you think there's still scum left over in the 'hoods.

Redscum gonna make some good points about bluescum.

Why are AK and Pere both still alive?

Why

would

scum keep me alive?

Exactly. You ARE scum, that's why you're alive.

Also, if I were scum, I would just jump on a wagon and try to hide in other people's votes. Scum tend to agree with easy wagons and lynches. I have had my own opinions. Maybe my case on PV isn't great, but I do believe he's scum.

Like ffery said - read my other meta - I suck at this game as town for whatever reason. My reads, contrary to my posts, tend to be pretty accurate, though.

[Baezu]

C'mon guys

Get towncred

Jump on the PV wagon

All aboard!

[Baezu]

This is just bad. Hiding behind your predecessor. Apologizing for a vote and immediately backpedaling, which is essentially pacifying town. Then you go after someone who is getting a lot of attention. This needs to die soon.

Alas, I hear this in every single one of my town games...check my meta. I wish I could be bacde, but I'm just the worst fucking mafia player instead.

I honestly haven't said that nacho isn't scum. I just think PV is scum too. If we can get a nacho wagon going (something that hasn't been even remotely close to happening this entire game) I'd be on it for sure.

Anyone interested now?

[Baezu]

I think AK might be scum. It seems that suspcion on her results in the players death.

Spoiler: Selected postings of Thor chasing Amethyst Kitty

I'm vaguely town-reading Thor

What changed, scumCat?

But, taking this trip through your ISO reminded me that I'm unclear on a majority of your stances on players. Can I get your T-->S list?

I hate those and consider them dumb.
Here are just reads;

1. thezmon221 - null
2. CrashTextDummie [1] - townish leaning a touch null
3. Cephir - null leaning a touch scum
4. Nachomamma8 - townish
5. PeregrineV - Eh, I seem to recall DLG as being scummish - so, scummish.
6. Nero Cain - townish (very ish)
7. Bacde - null
8. EddieFenix - null
9. Bulbazak - town
11. Red Ryu - scummish
12. Syryana - null
13. Desperado - null
14. penguin_alien - null
15. Slandaar - scummy
16. Oversoul - townish
17. Seanald - scummy
18. ThAdmiral - town
19. Haylen - null
20. Kublai Khan - town
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal) - scummy
22. !BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie) - scummy
23. Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - town
24. ArcAngel9 [1] - town

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

Amethyst also sidled away from this question.
I know now you're thinking the slot looks townish, or at least less scummish, but I still want this answered.

Not necessarily, I just don't see why you would find him town.

It's gut at the moment, he feels like he's legit working, not fake working.

Yes, it is consistent.

She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?

Let's be peaches together.

Unvote: Haylen
Vote: AmethystKitten

So if you have a townread on me and a scumread on mollie and I'm calling mollie town, that's not a good thing.

I don't really have a legit town read on you.
I have a 'I don't think his bad play is proof he's scum' read on you.
But I'm willing to see the links you'll show me.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

<<< The spirits of the citizens were lifted by them finally making progress, but with night having fallen, they never knew what was in store for them the next day. All the thrilling adventures of bullets flying and corpses falling! Not to mention, that one drunken fool ranting and shouting in a loud voice, wandering about.

"YOU YOUNG RASCALS MOVE TOO QUICKLY! Back in MY day, we could have civilized conversations, and be intuitive about them. Why, even in my inebriated state of mind, I am still twice the man you are! I can hold my liquor, I have standards, and I don't go wasting my money on some trivial things! I am a sexy seductive man, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT! But I don't let my ego get in the way of CONVERSATION, YE DARN FOOLS. If you had taken your time, MAYBE we could have gotten MORE than just what we did, AND YET you were SO determined to WASTE your lives that YOU RUSHED into WHAAT SHOULDA BEEN SIMMPLE. So I SWEAR TO MY BEARD THAT--"

*piff*

Finally. Something shut him up.

And with that, everyone could get a peaceful night of sleep. Bad things might still be happening, but the future looks bright. Soon, the streets could be cleared of the wretched scum, fellows who could sneak into a house and rob the residents blind without causing any alarm.

...In fact, they're clear of one such fellow, unlucky enough to have been startled by the shouting of a lunatic drunk. In the streets, he was vulnerable to being gunned down. The citizens of the street would rejoice come morning.




...Until they learned that "could sneak in and rob a person blind" doesn't translate into "actually does sneak in and rob a person blind". Certainly this young fellow had sneaked into houses, but not with malevolent intent. An ex-thief who had retired to the streets because they were peaceful, this man was clearly upset to see the things he despised about himself re-lived in front of him from an outside perspective. But the real giveaway that he was no threat? His identity is made clear as

Eddie Fenix

, a teacher...at a police academy. He had turned his life around and been reborn as an upstanding citizen, and thus, was of no threat.

Though not quite as much of an upset, the people are still saddened to learn the method by which the crazy drunkard many of them secretly enjoyed the musings of had been silenced. Shot point-blank with a silencer, Papa

Thor665

lay dead, his horned helmet not offering him the invulnerability of the god (and simultaneously, devil) he claimed to be.

Still, life goes on, and a new day has dawned. What's the worst that could happen?

(Oh, dear...)

>>>

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

,

Shot Night Two

.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Smurfed Night Two

.

Day three dawns with 18 remaining.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Selected postings of Khan chasing Amethyst Kitty

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

If you're going to make this (bad) point, why leave off the BeautyAndTheBeast vote? It followed the Cephrir vote and had the same general format {no other comment except vote}.

Why not include the other couple of votes on the same page?

its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Why did an OS wagon pop up?

He's been the scummiest player all game.

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Vote Nero, People. There IS An OS Alternative.

Why do you do shit like this? You were voting Oversoul, then you jumped off and are promoting a counter-wagon. All of this without any post by Oversoul? WTF?

If you don't think Oversoul is scum, then why did you vote for him at all?

If you say that this is a hydra miscommunication thing, then one of you seriously needs to drop this game because this sort of shit is ridiculous.

Not defensive, I just have issues with people coming into page 99 of a game and trying to make an argument based on the first 10, acting like they're hot shit as they do.

Why? The first ten pages of the game are where scum are most exposed. They haven't started figuring out how to manipulate people yet.

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.

Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.

If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.

Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.

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I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.

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ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?

Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.

Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.

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The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?

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Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.

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Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.

Was me.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?

I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

You've got that backwards.

1784 - Amethyst Kitty - "Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads."

1809 - Kublai Khan - "Very willing to lynch Day 1: Red Ryu, Oversoul, Amethyst Kitty, Baby Spice"

1868 - Amethyst Kitty - "Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho"

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Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.

It's still out-guess the mod territory. And I've played with the mod in a multiball Large Normal with all-town neighborhoods. Treat as VT and scum-hunt normally.
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@People paying any attention at all to the Vig claim -

Eh, we just lynched someone for lying about a claim. Who in their right mind fakeclaims after that?

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Eh. It's more like you've already got the conclusion that Nachomamma8 is scum and you just followed whatever course it takes to re-reach that conclusion.

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actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.
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Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

She already claimed them.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Reasons for suspecting Amethyst Kitty:

Early stuff:
> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Oversoul stuff:
> Doing nothing to try to push any counter-wagons to Oversoul or stop his lynch in any way until I called her out on it.
--- After that, she started up a case on EddieFenix, which indicates to me that she knows I had a very legitimate point and changed her actions accordingly.

OMGUS! and now stuff
> Ignores me until I put her on a scum list. Then I magically end up on her scum list.
> Calls me out on OMGUSing her
> Drops it, but still keeps me high on her scum list.
> Makes a case on why I'm scummy, but refers to nothing that occured previous to first reason for calling me scummy
--- Smells like a reads first, justification later type of activity. Which she's been doing all game.
--- Also doing the bullshit hydra thing of "oh, my partner had a x-read, I'll let them explain" "...." <- No explanation or anything ever given

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I meant thezmon221, not Red Ryu.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

That is the ONLY argument to your case and I've answered it 3 separate times (here, here, and here). You don't care. You literally do not care. So why do you keep asking "why?" as if you're scum-hunting?

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

You were going around asking "Hey, why do you have a town read on KK?". I'm glad that you're acknowledging that that was an attack and not some sort of legitimate attempt to scum-hunt.

WTF? I addressed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points. Try actually reading my posts. You've addressed nothing of what I've wrote. Not even a flat-out denial. Literally the closest thing you've done to addressing anything I've written it a 3 letter word. And I can actually use the word "literally" correctly.

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

Except when I showed that you were coaching blue-scum Red Ryu. You really haven't read a single thing I've posted, have you? Dingos monkey dishwasher fartfart. Doesn't even matter what I type right here at all.

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly.

I'm stunned that someone can completely dodge a case; hell, not even appear to read it. Instead attack some random other people, say the word "psychological" a few times to sound smart then put on a little drama show and people call them town.

Bravo scummy heads of Amethyst Kitty. I'm actually impressed.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

Okay, this is going to be revolutionary, so hold on to your seat. Mafia teams have

more

than one member. I'll give you a moment to process that idea.

So even if I think that you're scummy, I may put that aside for a moment if someone else is in the spotlight, because (*gasp*) they might also be scum. Insane, right? I might be trying to figure out the alignment of more than one person at a time.

Also, being that there are so many players in this game, I will react first to what's immediately happening instead of just random old stuff. So when Day 3 started and Bacde posted completely opposite reasoning for why he wanted Nachomamma8 lynched, I called him out on it. BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED. I really don't care that he was pivotal in lynching thezmon221 BECAUSE ALL SIGNS ARE POINTING TO A MULTIBALL SETUP. I'm typing stuff in caps BECAUSE ITS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE STILL POSTING DITZY BRAINDEAD CRAP LIKE:

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

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and I have read your post, and I have responded to you.

Link it. Is it that post where you call it "bad" four times? Because that's not a response.

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

Explain to me in one sentence why ak is "clearly scum".

This reeks of an "I don't give a shit about your case" attitude.

Here.

--
@penguin_alien - I guessing that mastin2 listed Thor665 as "smurfed" instead of shot because it's "funny".

<<< This is correct. The Important Links post lists the correct flavor of "shot". >>>

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you

Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?

It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.

I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

Easy? Pfft. The people on the Amethyst Kitty wagon were townier than those making excuses to stay off it.

If you want an easy wagon, look at Seanald. It's super-easy to wagon the guy that isn't putting up much of a fight.

Wrong. You get something from the lynch, but it's nor what you desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

Second time Amethyst Kitty has encouraged a wagon on someone that they aren't voting.

It's still a scum move.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

Except I didn't "set up a mislynch". I pointed out that it's a scum move to say stuff like "hey, oversoul is town guys", and do

nothing

to prevent the lynch. No arguments, no counter-wagons, no show of town-tells, no meta arguments. Nuh-thang.

Except

after

I said that to tried to start a counter-wagon on EddieFenix. Because you knew that I was dead-on right.

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

I do.

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

"twist a conversation"? WTF? It's one of the things about you I called scummy back in post 3770.

And calling someone town while not stopping their lynch IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT from saying "so and so is scum" and not voting. Only scum would try to play dumb and not understand that.

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

---
Just reminding everyone that Amethyst Kitty is still scum.

I'm behind and reading.

Spoiler: Khan Nightkilled

Massive apologies for the delay. I should have set the deadline for Monday where I could have started day (close to) on time. My appointment left me quite a bit late. Sorry.

<<< High spirits might not be in plentiful supply, but the citizens are determined not to let that get in their way. I mean, looking outside, it's such a lovely day and night. The weather's gorgeous, there's no clouds, the stars the moon the sun are all shining, and it looks like things will be nice and

*BAM*

...Nice and bright. Sure, there may be a lot of bad things going on, but life would recover sooner or later. There's plenty to look forward to! If they would survive, the citizens would have a lot left to thrive on. The violence in the streets might be insane, but not a challenge impossible to beat. They may be up against demons, and they're not exactly angels themselves, but surely, they can manage to win. They're all happy to

*BAM*

*ahem*

All happy to be a part of this lovely city.

Come daybreak, they knew there would be casualties, but they didn't expect what they were going to see. Dead in her house was the purest of them: she had been sweet, innocent, young, and perhaps naive, which would make the loss of their dear little angel all the more of a tragedy.

ArcAngel9

was not a threat, yet clearly her death was meant as a message.

At the other side of town, the next dead body is found next to his van:

Kublai Khan

has been shot. But...why the heck was he driving a van in the middle of the night? Looking inside reveals the contents of the van: it's clearly meant more as a party van, because there's a luxurious couch along with alcohol and several drugs. But wait...what else is there? Knockout gas? Restraints to tie people? Hmm, maybe looking at the couch closer to see what's on it would b--EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW, gross!

...NOBODY should have to see that. "Party Van" indeed. Just not the type of party half the members 'invited' to would enjoy.

...Despite the depravity present, searching for any connections to the mafia turns up nothing. No weapons, no notes. He was a harmless wisecracking guy who just so happened to have a dark side--which, given the nature of these findings, was probably meant to be used for good. >>>

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed Night Three

.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

,

Killed Night Three

.

Day Four!

Deadline for Day Four is Wednesday, July 31st, at 12:30 PM, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

That's a very interesting case, PV. I wonder though if it could just be scum trying to pin it on her as it were.

[Baezu]

My case for Peregrine:

I think the purple cat is town.

Calls AM town

Calls AA9 scum:

My thoughts from the vote history:
Red Ryu was either killed because Red Mafia was looking to kill Blue Mafia, or Red Mafia wanted to get rid of a strong townie.
The fact that his wagon got to 6(?) votes at one point means he couldn't have been too townie, so he was probably killed while being scumhunted by Red Mafia.

Since I think that rather than waste thier kill on the Blue mafia team if they can help it, Red Mafia would first try, in some way shape or form, to lynch Blue mafia if they can.

This means, common sense-wise, one of the following is

Red Mafia

:
Bulbazak
penguin_alien
Kublai Khan
Human Destroyer
ArcAngel9

Then quickly changes to town when she pushes him:

@ArcAngel- I have you as probably town based on play, but I want to have the reasoning presented fully so others may be able to use it.

Remember he thought AM was town - well- apparently not:

@Bulba-I thought I did multiple times.

Spoiler: Selected postings of Thor chasing Amethyst Kitty

I'm vaguely town-reading Thor

What changed, scumCat?

But, taking this trip through your ISO reminded me that I'm unclear on a majority of your stances on players. Can I get your T-->S list?

I hate those and consider them dumb.
Here are just reads;

1. thezmon221 - null
2. CrashTextDummie [1] - townish leaning a touch null
3. Cephir - null leaning a touch scum
4. Nachomamma8 - townish
5. PeregrineV - Eh, I seem to recall DLG as being scummish - so, scummish.
6. Nero Cain - townish (very ish)
7. Bacde - null
8. EddieFenix - null
9. Bulbazak - town
11. Red Ryu - scummish
12. Syryana - null
13. Desperado - null
14. penguin_alien - null
15. Slandaar - scummy
16. Oversoul - townish
17. Seanald - scummy
18. ThAdmiral - town
19. Haylen - null
20. Kublai Khan - town
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal) - scummy
22. !BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie) - scummy
23. Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - town
24. ArcAngel9 [1] - town

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

Amethyst also sidled away from this question.
I know now you're thinking the slot looks townish, or at least less scummish, but I still want this answered.

Not necessarily, I just don't see why you would find him town.

It's gut at the moment, he feels like he's legit working, not fake working.

Yes, it is consistent.

She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?

Let's be peaches together.

Unvote: Haylen
Vote: AmethystKitten

So if you have a townread on me and a scumread on mollie and I'm calling mollie town, that's not a good thing.

I don't really have a legit town read on you.
I have a 'I don't think his bad play is proof he's scum' read on you.
But I'm willing to see the links you'll show me.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

<<< The spirits of the citizens were lifted by them finally making progress, but with night having fallen, they never knew what was in store for them the next day. All the thrilling adventures of bullets flying and corpses falling! Not to mention, that one drunken fool ranting and shouting in a loud voice, wandering about.

"YOU YOUNG RASCALS MOVE TOO QUICKLY! Back in MY day, we could have civilized conversations, and be intuitive about them. Why, even in my inebriated state of mind, I am still twice the man you are! I can hold my liquor, I have standards, and I don't go wasting my money on some trivial things! I am a sexy seductive man, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT! But I don't let my ego get in the way of CONVERSATION, YE DARN FOOLS. If you had taken your time, MAYBE we could have gotten MORE than just what we did, AND YET you were SO determined to WASTE your lives that YOU RUSHED into WHAAT SHOULDA BEEN SIMMPLE. So I SWEAR TO MY BEARD THAT--"

*piff*

Finally. Something shut him up.

And with that, everyone could get a peaceful night of sleep. Bad things might still be happening, but the future looks bright. Soon, the streets could be cleared of the wretched scum, fellows who could sneak into a house and rob the residents blind without causing any alarm.

...In fact, they're clear of one such fellow, unlucky enough to have been startled by the shouting of a lunatic drunk. In the streets, he was vulnerable to being gunned down. The citizens of the street would rejoice come morning.




...Until they learned that "could sneak in and rob a person blind" doesn't translate into "actually does sneak in and rob a person blind". Certainly this young fellow had sneaked into houses, but not with malevolent intent. An ex-thief who had retired to the streets because they were peaceful, this man was clearly upset to see the things he despised about himself re-lived in front of him from an outside perspective. But the real giveaway that he was no threat? His identity is made clear as

Eddie Fenix

, a teacher...at a police academy. He had turned his life around and been reborn as an upstanding citizen, and thus, was of no threat.

Though not quite as much of an upset, the people are still saddened to learn the method by which the crazy drunkard many of them secretly enjoyed the musings of had been silenced. Shot point-blank with a silencer, Papa

Thor665

lay dead, his horned helmet not offering him the invulnerability of the god (and simultaneously, devil) he claimed to be.

Still, life goes on, and a new day has dawned. What's the worst that could happen?

(Oh, dear...)

>>>

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

,

Shot Night Two

.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Smurfed Night Two

.

Day three dawns with 18 remaining.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Selected postings of Khan chasing Amethyst Kitty

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

If you're going to make this (bad) point, why leave off the BeautyAndTheBeast vote? It followed the Cephrir vote and had the same general format {no other comment except vote}.

Why not include the other couple of votes on the same page?

its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Why did an OS wagon pop up?

He's been the scummiest player all game.

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Vote Nero, People. There IS An OS Alternative.

Why do you do shit like this? You were voting Oversoul, then you jumped off and are promoting a counter-wagon. All of this without any post by Oversoul? WTF?

If you don't think Oversoul is scum, then why did you vote for him at all?

If you say that this is a hydra miscommunication thing, then one of you seriously needs to drop this game because this sort of shit is ridiculous.

Not defensive, I just have issues with people coming into page 99 of a game and trying to make an argument based on the first 10, acting like they're hot shit as they do.

Why? The first ten pages of the game are where scum are most exposed. They haven't started figuring out how to manipulate people yet.

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.

Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.

If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.

Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.

---

I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.

---

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?

Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.

Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.

---

The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.

---

Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.

Was me.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?

I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

You've got that backwards.

1784 - Amethyst Kitty - "Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads."

1809 - Kublai Khan - "Very willing to lynch Day 1: Red Ryu, Oversoul, Amethyst Kitty, Baby Spice"

1868 - Amethyst Kitty - "Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho"

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.

It's still out-guess the mod territory. And I've played with the mod in a multiball Large Normal with all-town neighborhoods. Treat as VT and scum-hunt normally.
---

@People paying any attention at all to the Vig claim -

Eh, we just lynched someone for lying about a claim. Who in their right mind fakeclaims after that?

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Eh. It's more like you've already got the conclusion that Nachomamma8 is scum and you just followed whatever course it takes to re-reach that conclusion.

----

actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.
--

Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

She already claimed them.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Reasons for suspecting Amethyst Kitty:

Early stuff:
> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Oversoul stuff:
> Doing nothing to try to push any counter-wagons to Oversoul or stop his lynch in any way until I called her out on it.
--- After that, she started up a case on EddieFenix, which indicates to me that she knows I had a very legitimate point and changed her actions accordingly.

OMGUS! and now stuff
> Ignores me until I put her on a scum list. Then I magically end up on her scum list.
> Calls me out on OMGUSing her
> Drops it, but still keeps me high on her scum list.
> Makes a case on why I'm scummy, but refers to nothing that occured previous to first reason for calling me scummy
--- Smells like a reads first, justification later type of activity. Which she's been doing all game.
--- Also doing the bullshit hydra thing of "oh, my partner had a x-read, I'll let them explain" "...." <- No explanation or anything ever given

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I meant thezmon221, not Red Ryu.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

That is the ONLY argument to your case and I've answered it 3 separate times (here, here, and here). You don't care. You literally do not care. So why do you keep asking "why?" as if you're scum-hunting?

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

You were going around asking "Hey, why do you have a town read on KK?". I'm glad that you're acknowledging that that was an attack and not some sort of legitimate attempt to scum-hunt.

WTF? I addressed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points. Try actually reading my posts. You've addressed nothing of what I've wrote. Not even a flat-out denial. Literally the closest thing you've done to addressing anything I've written it a 3 letter word. And I can actually use the word "literally" correctly.

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

Except when I showed that you were coaching blue-scum Red Ryu. You really haven't read a single thing I've posted, have you? Dingos monkey dishwasher fartfart. Doesn't even matter what I type right here at all.

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly.

I'm stunned that someone can completely dodge a case; hell, not even appear to read it. Instead attack some random other people, say the word "psychological" a few times to sound smart then put on a little drama show and people call them town.

Bravo scummy heads of Amethyst Kitty. I'm actually impressed.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

Okay, this is going to be revolutionary, so hold on to your seat. Mafia teams have

more

than one member. I'll give you a moment to process that idea.

So even if I think that you're scummy, I may put that aside for a moment if someone else is in the spotlight, because (*gasp*) they might also be scum. Insane, right? I might be trying to figure out the alignment of more than one person at a time.

Also, being that there are so many players in this game, I will react first to what's immediately happening instead of just random old stuff. So when Day 3 started and Bacde posted completely opposite reasoning for why he wanted Nachomamma8 lynched, I called him out on it. BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED. I really don't care that he was pivotal in lynching thezmon221 BECAUSE ALL SIGNS ARE POINTING TO A MULTIBALL SETUP. I'm typing stuff in caps BECAUSE ITS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE STILL POSTING DITZY BRAINDEAD CRAP LIKE:

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

--

and I have read your post, and I have responded to you.

Link it. Is it that post where you call it "bad" four times? Because that's not a response.

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

Explain to me in one sentence why ak is "clearly scum".

This reeks of an "I don't give a shit about your case" attitude.

Here.

--
@penguin_alien - I guessing that mastin2 listed Thor665 as "smurfed" instead of shot because it's "funny".

<<< This is correct. The Important Links post lists the correct flavor of "shot". >>>

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you

Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?

It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.

I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

Easy? Pfft. The people on the Amethyst Kitty wagon were townier than those making excuses to stay off it.

If you want an easy wagon, look at Seanald. It's super-easy to wagon the guy that isn't putting up much of a fight.

Wrong. You get something from the lynch, but it's nor what you desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

Second time Amethyst Kitty has encouraged a wagon on someone that they aren't voting.

It's still a scum move.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

Except I didn't "set up a mislynch". I pointed out that it's a scum move to say stuff like "hey, oversoul is town guys", and do

nothing

to prevent the lynch. No arguments, no counter-wagons, no show of town-tells, no meta arguments. Nuh-thang.

Except

after

I said that to tried to start a counter-wagon on EddieFenix. Because you knew that I was dead-on right.

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

I do.

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

"twist a conversation"? WTF? It's one of the things about you I called scummy back in post 3770.

And calling someone town while not stopping their lynch IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT from saying "so and so is scum" and not voting. Only scum would try to play dumb and not understand that.

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

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Just reminding everyone that Amethyst Kitty is still scum.

I'm behind and reading.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

Massive apologies for the delay. I should have set the deadline for Monday where I could have started day (close to) on time. My appointment left me quite a bit late. Sorry.

<<< High spirits might not be in plentiful supply, but the citizens are determined not to let that get in their way. I mean, looking outside, it's such a lovely day and night. The weather's gorgeous, there's no clouds, the stars the moon the sun are all shining, and it looks like things will be nice and

*BAM*

...Nice and bright. Sure, there may be a lot of bad things going on, but life would recover sooner or later. There's plenty to look forward to! If they would survive, the citizens would have a lot left to thrive on. The violence in the streets might be insane, but not a challenge impossible to beat. They may be up against demons, and they're not exactly angels themselves, but surely, they can manage to win. They're all happy to

*BAM*

*ahem*

All happy to be a part of this lovely city.

Come daybreak, they knew there would be casualties, but they didn't expect what they were going to see. Dead in her house was the purest of them: she had been sweet, innocent, young, and perhaps naive, which would make the loss of their dear little angel all the more of a tragedy.

ArcAngel9

was not a threat, yet clearly her death was meant as a message.

At the other side of town, the next dead body is found next to his van:

Kublai Khan

has been shot. But...why the heck was he driving a van in the middle of the night? Looking inside reveals the contents of the van: it's clearly meant more as a party van, because there's a luxurious couch along with alcohol and several drugs. But wait...what else is there? Knockout gas? Restraints to tie people? Hmm, maybe looking at the couch closer to see what's on it would b--EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW, gross!

...NOBODY should have to see that. "Party Van" indeed. Just not the type of party half the members 'invited' to would enjoy.

...Despite the depravity present, searching for any connections to the mafia turns up nothing. No weapons, no notes. He was a harmless wisecracking guy who just so happened to have a dark side--which, given the nature of these findings, was probably meant to be used for good. >>>

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed Night Three

.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

,

Killed Night Three

.

Day Four!

Deadline for Day Four is Wednesday, July 31st, at 12:30 PM, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Also, keeps insisting on the hoods being clean when one was clearly dirty so far. So why can't others be dirty too?

Don't misrep me. I never said I wanted CTD lynched. if I did my vote would be on him which it isn't.

I don't see how you

aren't

following PoE and going by your own reads if you think there's still scum left over in the 'hoods.

The hoods are CTD, Desp, and ThAd. I think one may be blue.

That leaves 1 or 0 blue and 2 or 3 red out of

3. Cephir
4. Nachomamma8
7. Bacde
9. Bulbazak
14. penguin_alien
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal)
22. ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie)
23. Human Destroyer

So, why would I not do both?

I think he has tried to jump on convenient lynches and wagons and hasn't really given reads on anyone but the people he's been tunneling (AM and AA9). AA9 flipped green and so will AM

Vote PV!!!

[Baezu]

VOTE: perv

^^ teehee

[Baezu]

You're doing an awful lot of reading.

I agree. This is a bad sign...

[Baezu]

I have town reads on the PV wagon. Nachomamma8 and ffullisade in particular. What's your argument for PV being the scum that this lynch will remove from the neighborhood pool?

I agree that ffulisade is town- not so sure about nacho.

The case is, basically, that it makes sense for there to be more scum among the neighborhoods.

This makes the most sense to me as well.

Pere and CTD could both be scum. Unlikely, but possible.

[Baezu]

Time out. You're right, this doesn't make sense. Three scenarios: A: ThAd is town, B: ThAd is scum on a team with a roleblocker, C: ThAd is scum on a team without a roleblocker.

A: Scum leaves ThAd free to shoot his target, as neither team apparently cares that he declared he was aiming for CTD. Never mind that this leaves him having confirmed himself. Still, not sure why scum wouldn't kill him before he could go for any of their own people if they were letting him shoot with the hopes that he'd eliminate CTD for them. B: ThAd knows that his team will block Rena. He hopes to 1v1 her on the blocking issue. C: ThAd expects one of the claimed PRs to be dead by Day Four and be able to claim that he was the target of a block if he survives.

What does make me uneasy is that I was questioning all this Day Four, albeit thinking that Rena was opportunistic scum. Yet no one jumped on it, even though last night's kill demonstrates that at least one scum team wanted her dead in the end. It seems like scum could be trying to get us to lynch ThAd for them, like they seem to have tried with Rena.

This, coupled with the fact that ThaD just voted for PV, simply because I asked him to:

C'mon guys

Get towncred

Jump on the PV wagon

All aboard!

Alright

vote: pv

Pretty terrible post. We've firmly established that there's a scum roleblocker.

So wait.

Not only did they block ThAd every night, they somehow managed to

a) know he was a vig before he claimed it (didn't he claim like Day 3 or something? I could be wrong on this)
b) roleblock Rena at the same time for, at the very least, Night 3

I chose not to shoot nights 1 and 2 you dullard.

"ThAd is town because there is a scum roleblocker" isn't an argument.

Especially when someone else has claimed roleblocked on the same night as them.

yeah

and I told him I wanted to talk to him and he never responded

VOTE: thadVOTE:

Well you could have, you know, asked me a question or something.

As well as this most recent reason for why pv over ctd:

So why PV over CTD?

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I'm going to answer it anyway. From my perspective at least.

Why pv over ctd? Because he is more likely of the two to be lynched right now.

Confirms in my mind that ThaD is scum.

VOTE: Thad

[Baezu]

VOTE: Thad

[Baezu]

I pronounce it bah-et-sue. I think it means devil on some level.

But your idea is way cooler! Maybe I'll adopt that as my new sig.

[Baezu]

mollie and I will not be going there PA, because Bacde.

Bacde sends his love ffery

<3

[Baezu]

mollie and I will not be going there PA, because Bacde.

Bacde sends his love ffery

<3

I will be </3 if Bacde was scum.

Bacde was not scum - I'm just that bad of a mafia player

[Baezu]

how about this - if you help me lynch pv I'll actually try tomorrow.

Looking forward to seeing that!

VOTE: PV

[Baezu]

Time out. You're right, this doesn't make sense. Three scenarios: A: ThAd is town, B: ThAd is scum on a team with a roleblocker, C: ThAd is scum on a team without a roleblocker.

A: Scum leaves ThAd free to shoot his target, as neither team apparently cares that he declared he was aiming for CTD. Never mind that this leaves him having confirmed himself. Still, not sure why scum wouldn't kill him before he could go for any of their own people if they were letting him shoot with the hopes that he'd eliminate CTD for them. B: ThAd knows that his team will block Rena. He hopes to 1v1 her on the blocking issue. C: ThAd expects one of the claimed PRs to be dead by Day Four and be able to claim that he was the target of a block if he survives.

What does make me uneasy is that I was questioning all this Day Four, albeit thinking that Rena was opportunistic scum. Yet no one jumped on it, even though last night's kill demonstrates that at least one scum team wanted her dead in the end. It seems like scum could be trying to get us to lynch ThAd for them, like they seem to have tried with Rena.

This, coupled with the fact that ThaD just voted for PV, simply because I asked him to:

C'mon guys

Get towncred

Jump on the PV wagon

All aboard!

Alright

vote: pv

Pretty terrible post. We've firmly established that there's a scum roleblocker.

So wait.

Not only did they block ThAd every night, they somehow managed to

a) know he was a vig before he claimed it (didn't he claim like Day 3 or something? I could be wrong on this)
b) roleblock Rena at the same time for, at the very least, Night 3

I chose not to shoot nights 1 and 2 you dullard.

"ThAd is town because there is a scum roleblocker" isn't an argument.

Especially when someone else has claimed roleblocked on the same night as them.

yeah

and I told him I wanted to talk to him and he never responded

VOTE: thadVOTE:

Well you could have, you know, asked me a question or something.

As well as this most recent reason for why pv over ctd:

So why PV over CTD?

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I'm going to answer it anyway. From my perspective at least.

Why pv over ctd? Because he is more likely of the two to be lynched right now.

Confirms in my mind that ThaD is scum.

VOTE: Thad

+

how about this - if you help me lynch pv I'll actually try tomorrow.

Looking forward to seeing that!

VOTE: PV

=

Baezu is scum.

This is your fucking argument? It's total shit. wtf? At least if you want us to think you're town you could try a little harder...

[Baezu]

HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man

I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it

I can't handle all these walls

This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?

oh hey this is why hd suspects bacde
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up

this was around the time where my posting was sparse due to me being busy

the fact that he chose to compliment this supposed "playstyle" combined with the fact that he always tries to get on my good side when he's scum is sus as fuck

I know Bacde personally and I know that he meant that comment sincerely. Those were three separate thoughts. The last one didn't specifically pertain to you. A lot of other people were putting up walls at that time.

[Baezu]

VOTE: HD

you scum

[Baezu]

If people are unsure about pv vs thad let's vote outside of those two tonight and maybe things will become clearer tomorrow

[Baezu]

Could all three of PV, HD, and CTD be scum?

[Baezu]

So are we ever going to come to a consensus?

Maybe an interesting question would be who out of me/pv/ctd would people be happiest to vote. I'm interested to see where people stand on that, although a few have already made their stances clear.

(I'm for ctd at the moment btw)

PV would be my top choice and then CTD

[Baezu]

Happy scum day, P_A!

[Baezu]

How anyone could be reading bulbazak as scum at this point boggles my mind.

I am going to miss your old avatar.

I agree on both of those points

[Baezu]

VOTE: CTD