NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

mastin2 · Post Post #5700 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:32 am

Hi guys, sorry for the lack of votecount on the previous page. Got a reminder last night that I have a wedding to attend today.

...Well, sorta. I couldn't actually attend it (even though I really, REALLY wanted to*), but I'll be watching a livestream of the wedding (with luck, anyway), and thus, not online here. (So I'm afraid I won't be able to do most of my modding duties until tomorrow. A one-day declaration of V/LA, you could say.)

*The people being married are two online friends of mine from another site. Crazy kids.

One-Hundred-Fifty-First Votecount

:

(Ninth Votecount of Day Five,

AKA, the "I wish I was there" votecount.

)

PeregrineV - 4 (CrashTextDummie, Amethyst Kitty, ThAdmiral, Baezu)

Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Desperado, Cephrir)

Baezu - 2 (penguin_alien, Human Destroyer)
Human Destroyer - 2 (Nachomamma8, ffullisade)
CrashTextDummie - 1 (Bulbazak)
ThAdmiral - 1 (PeregrineV)

All votes are in play.

With

12

alive, it is

7

to lynch.

Day Five's deadline is Thursday, August 22nd, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-08-22 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

PeregrineV

would be lynched.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 227, post 5664.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4

Spoiler: Vote History D4

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5701 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:34 am

In post 5699, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5697, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5693, ffullisade wrote:In both of her town games, she looked unsure, hesitant, and kinda looking around for a direction to take. In her scum game she looked more confident. Compare the cases she made in her scum game to her cases in her town game. And to here.
It's like the difference between town you and scum you sometimes. Not as much *lately*, but. Plus Bacde was incredibly fucking town how can you say anything else???
ahahahaha

no

if you don't have a witty retort, then don't say anything at all

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5702 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:41 am

In post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man

I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it

I can't handle all these walls

This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?

oh hey this is why hd suspects bacde
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up

Human Destroyer · Post Post #5703 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:47 am

In post 5701, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5699, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5697, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5693, ffullisade wrote:In both of her town games, she looked unsure, hesitant, and kinda looking around for a direction to take. In her scum game she looked more confident. Compare the cases she made in her scum game to her cases in her town game. And to here.
It's like the difference between town you and scum you sometimes. Not as much *lately*, but. Plus Bacde was incredibly fucking town how can you say anything else???
ahahahaha

no
if you don't have a witty retort, then don't say anything at all

>implying I need one

Human Destroyer · Post Post #5704 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:48 am

In post 5702, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man

I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it

I can't handle all these walls

This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?
oh hey this is why hd suspects bacde
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up

this was around the time where my posting was sparse due to me being busy

the fact that he chose to compliment this supposed "playstyle" combined with the fact that he always tries to get on my good side when he's scum is sus as fuck

ISO · Post Post #5705 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:43 am

That really isn't suspicious at all. Do you mean to tell me that post was your one and only reason for suspecting Bacde before Baezu replaced in?

ISO · Post Post #5706 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:44 am

Whatever else you had can't possibly be any good if that's "the most sus post he's made thus far", so you don't even need to bother answering.

VOTE: HD

Desperado · Post Post #5707 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:10 pm

Unvote
Vote: HD

Human Destroyer · Post Post #5708 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:24 pm

yeah this wagon is retarded x20

Bulbazak · Post Post #5709 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:56 pm

In post 5689, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5686, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 5681, Human Destroyer wrote:okay, I said that wrong, let me clarify it for you

and I'm only going to say this one more time because seriously the first time should have been enough

You are
not
asking for all my thought processes and motivation. You
are
asking for what I think your alignment is and thought processes are based around ThAd scum that influenced in your alignment...which I said there were none...3 times...and you kept insisting on asking the same question...right...
I asked about my relationship in regards to your ThAd read twice. Overall, I've been focused on trying to understand your lines of reasoning. This is the backbone of EVERYTHING I ask.
When you sheeped Nero's line of reasoning, I questioned you on the validity of said reasoning, to which you didn't respond.
I've since tried to get you to shed light on why X or Y is scum or why X is more likely to be scum over Y, essentially, your entire line of thought. If you think X and Y are scum, I want to know WHY you think they are scum and how/if they are connected. The same goes for WHY X is more likely to be scum over Y and vice versa. You haven't been providing any of that, which is alarming, since you tend to be a bit more logical as town. You are essentially trying to skate by in this game and avoid any line of questioning related to your thought process and motivation. To be perfectly honest, I could care less WHO you think is scum. I'm more interested in WHY you think they are scum, as that is the easiest way to judge your intentions and motivations.
Bolded: what reasoning and where

In post 4925, Human Destroyer wrote:@Bulb

"+ there's atleast one scum in the neighborhood
s
and Slandaar makes a good bet. CTD might be scum afterall. He's ignoring discussing his neighborhood big time."

That's clearly 2 biggest scumreads from all 3 neighborhoods, hence the bolded pluralization.

In post 5015, Bulbazak wrote: So you're agreeing that a scum/scum neighborhood is more likely than both scum in different neighborhoods?

In post 5020, Human Destroyer wrote: ???

No, I haven't said that. I'm saying he had both players as scumreads.

A scum/scum neighborhood between two scum teams
is
possible though, I hadn't really thought of that.

In any case, one of them flipped town already, so that isn't even relevant.

In post 5061, Bulbazak wrote: The fact that Slandaar flipped town has no bearing on what Nero did while on the Slandaar wagon? He thought that both Slandaar
and
CTD might be scum, while pushing Slandaar. This either means that he thought they were in a scum/scum neighborhood, or that he thought CTD was scum if Slandaar flipped town. Nero is saying that he didn't think either, while still maintaining that he thought both were scum, which is contradictory.

In post 5689, Human Destroyer wrote: The rest: You have not asked me why I think people are scum. I do find it quite interesting that you ignored my post on Page...226 I think? explaining exactly who I think is scum and why though.

Oh, you mean this?

In post 5640, Human Destroyer wrote:assuming 3-3

I think nacho is red scum that went for the easy seanald bus, thad is his buddy

nacho was so quick to back the fuck off the moment thad claimed, started claiming that thad was a more likely scum roleblock target than rena but when rena flips town he doesn't seem to consider thad? unless I really missed something there

thad is on like super-survival mode, that x-shot distinction thing is sketchy as fuck, om was fairly sure dan was scum D1, he lacks towniness to a scary degree...omg just kill it already

Bulb is last blue scum, though if thad is somehow town, I guess he could be a BP SK? He's scum though, I'm pretty certain. he has evaded the lynch like twice somehow, even after being called on blatant lying. he also feels so damn mechanical this game, and he was so obv-town in other games I've played with him, I just don't see him being town in any reality.

PV I am not confident in my ability to read, I always seem to get it wrong, and I'm lazy, so I'm not even trying there

baezu slot troubles me but maybe it's 4-4 or maybe an SK? if it's 4-4 I'm fucking stumped as to who the last scum is, I'd probably entertain PV at that point tho

I think I'm comfortable with at the very least ctd, ffullisade, and desp, ceph I'm a little less sure of now

ps phoneposting sucks

To be honest, I really wasn't that impressed. It ignores pretty much the entire context of the game and comes across more as keeping options open on the most controversial slots. I addressed several of my concerns on this post, such as the fact that a SK is non-existant and that Nacho has been suspicious of ThAd since the Rena flip. What really stands out to me, though, is just how wrong the logic feels here, and I just can't see HD-town making this post.

That being said, I'm not willing to put HD at L-1 just yet, especially since the wagon seemed to build up real fast. Also, we have the last blue scum in CTD just sitting there being ignored.

@Nacho: You still haven't answered my questions.

In post 5621, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 5614, Nachomamma8 wrote: 6 scum would be the normal for one team. I'm guessing there will be more scum because multiball.
I'm not following this line of thinking. How would it being multiball make having a higher than average total amount of scum more likely?

In post 5614, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5612, Bulbazak wrote:he's in a neighborhood with a vig.?
This has been discussed and the speculation here is useless.
Well obviously I don't get it. Humor me.

In post 5621, Bulbazak wrote: I still want someone to explain the PV-scum case to me.

Desperado · Post Post #5710 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:59 pm

Why do you want someone to explain PV-scum? He isn't getting lynched anymore

Baezu · Post Post #5711 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:01 pm

In post 5704, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5702, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man

I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it

I can't handle all these walls

This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?
oh hey this is why hd suspects bacde
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up
this was around the time where my posting was sparse due to me being busy

the fact that he chose to compliment this supposed "playstyle" combined with the fact that he always tries to get on my good side when he's scum is sus as fuck

I know Bacde personally and I know that he meant that comment sincerely. Those were three separate thoughts. The last one didn't specifically pertain to you. A lot of other people were putting up walls at that time.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5712 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:04 pm

In post 5704, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5702, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man

I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it

I can't handle all these walls

This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?
oh hey this is why hd suspects bacde
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up
this was around the time where my posting was sparse due to me being busy

the fact that he chose to compliment this supposed "playstyle" combined with the fact that he always tries to get on my good side when he's scum is sus as fuck

he complimented your playstyle and that is scummy? why?

meanwhile, you town against bacde scum:
Gonzo Mafia - Called you town, buddied up to you a little.

Banjo Kazooie - Had you claim after him, no other interaction.

So what do you mean, he always tries to get on your good sign when he's scum?

Soft pushed you until he had to convince you were town in the face of a cop guilty.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5713 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:06 pm

In post 5704, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5702, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man

I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it

I can't handle all these walls

This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?
oh hey this is why hd suspects bacde
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up
this was around the time where my posting was sparse due to me being busy

the fact that he chose to compliment this supposed "playstyle" combined with the fact that he always tries to get on my good side when he's scum is sus as fuck

he complimented your playstyle and that is scummy? why?

meanwhile, you town against bacde scum:
Gonzo Mafia - Called you town, buddied up to you a little.

Banjo Kazooie - Had you claim after him, no other interaction.

Jake From State Farm - Soft pushed you until he had to convince you were town in the face of a cop guilty.

So what do you mean, he always tries to get on your good side when he's scum?

Bulbazak · Post Post #5714 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:41 pm

In post 5710, Desperado wrote:Why do you want someone to explain PV-scum? He isn't getting lynched anymore

That doesn't meant that he's not going to get lynched ever, and I'm finding the explanations on the scumread to be a little lacking.

Desperado · Post Post #5715 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:49 pm

Agreed, I just don't think it's relevant right now

Bulbazak · Post Post #5716 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:53 pm

I'm just asking it of Nacho again, because he never answered me, and he was one of the few in particular that I wanted the answer from.

Baezu · Post Post #5717 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:59 pm

VOTE: HD

you scum

ThAdmiral · Post Post #5718 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:24 pm

as much as I support hd dying we really should be lynching out of pere and ctd (and admittedly myself).

ISO · Post Post #5719 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:31 am

There's almost certainly 1 scum among the three of you. There are between 2 and 4 scum among everyone else. If the number is 3 or 4, we're actually better off not lynching a neighbor.

If there are 2 though, we'd probably be getting the last blue scum by lynching a neighbor AND have a higher probability of hitting.

Meh.

ISO · Post Post #5720 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:33 am

Oh wait, it's a push if there are 3. Still, given that I'm reasonably certain all the scum are in pv/thad/baezu/hd/ak, I'm not that worried about it.

mastin2 · Post Post #5721 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:38 am

<<< I am a bad mod and I should feel bad. CrashTextDummie receives a very late prod. >>>

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #5722 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:45 am

Don't really get teh HD votes.

I personally rather lynch PereV.

Why are we better off not lynching a neighbor Cephrir? Scared we are going to lynch your partner?

ISO · Post Post #5723 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:54 am

I just told you why. Because math. Although I did realize partway through that I was probably wrong and it depends on how many scum are left.

Also, the neighbor scum is probably blue and probably doesn't have a partner, so... nice try?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #5724 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:45 am

I'm with my other head on this

I'd much prefer Peregrine, and, with PoE, Ceph is likely scum too I think and HD is a last resortish kind of lynch, not really seeing anything past it not being his normal play and, considering he was less then active when he was playing with me then I'm not really inclined to vote him based on activity level

Desp, why does a person not going to be lynched matter? if Bulb thinks Pv is scum, and he wants to explain why then I don't see a problem with it