Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Sweet Pertayter]

Hi.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

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VOTE: Nats

I would love to be friends with you

[Sweet Pertayter]

VOTE: Bert

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

VOTE: Mantis

Bert is town you silly potato

[Sweet Pertayter]

This is his town meta obv

[Sweet Pertayter]

Ahahaha Bert you really aren't in the know yet at all :')

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Well hey I thought maybe you're just quite childish in nature and was willing to let you slide but if you want to give me more reasons to think you're scum then I'm not complaining.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

However Mantis is very likely to be scum so I'm not going to move the vote any time soon.
Candidates for scum also include Wisdom and Nat right now.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Does there have to be a reason? That was not on the job application.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Well actually there is a reason but maybe I don't want to share it?

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Om Nom Nom,

Don't you play with me now

Don't you get Mara on your side about me

Who

Who are you to mispronounce Sweet Potatoes

I am most displeased with not being in the know *cry*

Bert, sweetie

Don't cry, You are town I know you are town

lets work together and catch scum

I will never work against you this game

never ever, and if I do I give you permission to yell and scream at me until I get my head on straight again

<3

[Sweet Pertayter]

However Mantis is very likely to be scum so I'm not going to move the vote any time soon.
Candidates for scum also include Wisdom and Nat right now.

~Om

This is comforting, I might agree with wisdom-scum here

I think also think that Mac-mollie is scum, and that we need to keep a close eye on Lynx

[Sweet Pertayter]

Fun Fact:

we havn't even talked about this game yet

[Sweet Pertayter]

Mara is gonna be out until tuesday

[Sweet Pertayter]

Bert needs to chill out and people are overreacting to his attitude and tone. He's town, guys.
Nat however makes a great vote, because he is making excuses not to do anything while trying to take credit for doing things.
VOTE: Natirasha
Lynx also made an easy vote onto Bert.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

ftr i was never actually pushing bert i just wanted to play mindgames with him bc if u wanna patronize me ur gonna get hurt :)

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

also too many ppl r basing their read on this slot off mara like r u guys kidding me I'm the cool one in this hydra also mara should listen to me or hell's gonna break loose

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

wow i am so offended

im pretty sure you've actually played with me at least once, maybe twice though.

[Sweet Pertayter]

I think also think that Mac-mollie is scum, and that we need to keep a close eye on Lynx

Anything I did to cause that or ?

No Your boyfriend did!

seriously though, I know you can be just as, if not more dangerous than he is as scum and he's fooled me before, and I've seen his dangerous works! He says that you have a better town game than he does, and I don't think his town-game is to shabby so if you are town I will enjoy working with you




molliemolliemollie!

what paranoia are you talking about because I don't remember exibiting any kind of paranoia and I don't think Ommy did either?

Elaborate on Despers-scum please, I might follow you there after a chat with Om (Maybe)

... Never mind, though the first question is still applicable

TNEscum is looking fairly likely I think

angel is defintely town though <3

Undecided towards wisdom, I don't think that's a good sign

Keeping our vote on Nats though cuz I don't like what I'm seeing from him so far

[Sweet Pertayter]

mollie being scum isn't unlikely at this point.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

I kinda get a paranoid and frantic feel from his posts but for some reason that's making me read him as town.

~Om

hydra slip dont giv a hec

[Sweet Pertayter]

A game that you never played...

Mollie will be scum until she gives me something to think that she's town, right now I don't really see anything.

I don't like how, I'm trying to talk to her and she just straight out ignores me while not really doing anything to even try to figure out my alignment.

That isn't paranoia, that was me stating that you were scum because you havn't really done anything that I expect town-mollie to do

[Sweet Pertayter]

Mollie, Bert didn't play in two in a half-men. I know it was the coney island game but I don't see how you were leaving him alone when he wasn't even there?

and I havn't asked you any questions? but I don't understand how you got that town-read off us, then lost it just by me asking you something, it doesn't make sense and I Can't figure out what you're thinking. I don't like it.

third active poster? sure, but I'm not exactly sold on the content level of it. I feel like you are trying to make your activity level look higher than it actually is.

[Sweet Pertayter]

I have been posting?

I got back from LA a few days ago. anything that isn't signed is Mara

[Sweet Pertayter]

Maybe it's time Mara and I actually bothered to discuss the game together :-P
Also I am unsure at what mollie is trying to say in regards to her suspicion on us. Mara and I have not talked yet so the actions between us won't make sense as one anyway (we are going to fix this don't worry).

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Pretty confident because you just warned me about lynx a dangerous player and pointed out how devious of a scumbag she is

You really need to think about why you give out townreads.

tator - om says he is sus of me then mara comes in and is all like "we never suspected you" and then went awol when I proved her wrong. in the mean time om continues a push on me without ever addressing that post. scum.

I'd like to see a follow up to this from you knowing that we still haven't talked (I messaged her so we'll talk when she replies). I'll make sure to do a follow up from our side too after we talk.

lynx - mara foses her but lets continue his sad push on me and then she pops up is all like "hydras oh noes!" but responds to a hydra in a manner that suggests familiarity. hedges her read on us (distancing from a town mislynch but wants to blend in) and tries to strengthen her weak scumread on bert by saying we are not partners. she is setting bert up for a future mislynch cos she knows how I will flip re: why she is hedging her read. that kind of clears bert, not sure how helpful he will be. scum.

I would really rather see that tator thing go but lynx is dropping such classic scumtells that I am really hoping that people with half a brain can see it.

I don't see it, so does that mean I have a whole brain instead of half?

Going to reread now because I have contact with Mara and we are going to discuss, so expect some things to change.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

I'd like to see a follow up to this from you knowing that we still haven't talked (I messaged her so we'll talk when she replies). I'll make sure to do a follow up from our side too after we talk.

so you want me to follow up

before

you have a chance to talk? this is my reply: follow-up. meatier response will come when you 2 put your heads together.

yep because you're acting like we're talking and then scumreading us for dissonance
will respond about the result of putting our two heads together when you get yours in the game :)

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Mollie

Post 55 was me, not Ommie

I am not fond of your reads list

Pedit: herro Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Mara had the initial suspicion on you, I never had any suspicion (or a read at all) on you until I posted about it and Wisdom responded to it.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

VOTE: macmollie
Lets just say this was achieved through our discussion.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sweet pertrayer

Why the fuck is macmollie at L-1? This is quite obviously town mollie.

mollie was never at L-1 you idiot.
this vote is fucking terrible.

potato, and probably you. I'm not getting townvibes from you anymore.

this is just way too convenient.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

It's never unlikely, but her last posts seem kind of townish. Not my top pick right now.

What do you think about havingfitz?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sweet pertrayer

Why the fuck is macmollie at L-1? This is quite obviously town mollie.

Ahahaha please explain.


Your vote is fucking terrible because there is legitimately nothing that it came from, considering you just said it didn't come from the mollie vote. The last time you mentioned a read on us you just said Mara gave strange vibes but then we did something that was kinda townie.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

I must say though that it is fucking hilarious that the reaction to my slot's mollie vote was to instantly scumread us instead of even bothering to ask why or even noticing the fact that WE HAD BOTH HAD SUSPICION ON MOLLIE AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER.

Like seriously it's not like it was fucking out of the blue or with no reason.
It wasn't even L-1.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

itt potato is scum thinking they're being accused for the wrong reasons.

nevermind the fact that mantis literally said that we got moved out of the townpile for voting mollie.
you're not the only idiot in this game.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

But please, don't fucking detract from the original "reasons" you seem to have for voting us.
Come on, I'm waiting.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Nah, Mantis just assumed that this is the reason I'm scumreading you and she's trying to appeal to me.

Still waiting.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

My reason for voting you is your "we haven't talked with mara" posts. It seems like an excuse to nullify everything that you have posted, and it does not feel natural.
The mollie vote after mollie has obvtowned and I know Mara can read her is an extra, of course.

Couldn't you tell that literally everything we had posted before that was quite obviously dissonance?
If I was concerned with covering up I would have fucking answered everything instead of just moving on.
Mollie has not obvtowned or else we wouldn't be fucking voting her. You're acting like a complete idiot by treating mollie like a confirmed-town when nobody is ever confirmed in mafia unless the mod fucking says so or they die.

Mantis, who is scum?

thinking lynx.. i want to vote her, but im just checking the count to make sure i don't hammer yet

how the hell can you hammer when I am in the lynch lead by miles?

Way to play on the fucking pretense of you being close to lynch when that is not what is currently happening.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

that tator thing:

"mollie is scum"

"mollie mollie mollie we are not suspicious of you!!! xoxox"

"yes mollie is scum"

"vote mollie"

the dissonance isn't hydra dissonance it is outright cog-dis with your reads which can come from a single player or a hydra but it is usually scum who forget their reads.

We
Had
Not
Fucking
Talked

Do
You
Not
Understand???????????????

Like seriously mollie is fucking coasting on townreads and nobody is even bothering to fucking call her out on it.

[Sweet Pertayter]

You know what I am fucking done with arguing with you guys right now. Call me when you realise just how fucking stupid you're all acting right now.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

You're acting like a complete idiot by treating mollie like a confirmed-town when nobody is ever confirmed in mafia unless the mod fucking says so or they die.

Uneccessary bullshit and attempts to discredit my townreads. mollie is town, it's very very obvious for someone who knows how to read her.

WHY SHOULD YOU BEING "ABLE" TO READ SOMEONE MEAN THAT I'M SCUM FOR NOT HAVING THE SAME READ?

Do you not fucking understand what you are saying?

if bert had not unvoted I would be at L1, om. I would say that is pretty close to getting lynched

This is not about fucking hypotheticals here. Bert did unvote and now Mantis has unvoted. You're the same distance away from being lynched as you were before Bert unvoted.


PEDIT:

this isn't hydra dis like you keep trying to make it out to be. this is flat out cog-dis on mara's end and it shouldn't matter if you both had talked or not she should be able to keep up with her reads and she didn't so i am going to go with you guys being scum.

Forgetting reads is not a scum-only thing. You have experience in mafia, you have experience with me as town. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS.
~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Like seriously are there any actual reasons for us being scum or are people just going to keep claiming that we're scum for voting someone who happens to be a townread to them or just because we did not bother to fucking talk to each other until the 11th page or so?

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

The worst part is people are blindly believing mollie based on meta tells without even giving it a single thought that she might be fucking manipulating her meta to her advantage.

PEDIT: How am I discrediting your read? You're literally saying to me that I'm scum because I'm voting mollie after she "obvtowned". I'm saying you're being an idiot because you're blindly basing reads off her being town. I don't give a shit if you think mollie is town or not. I just give a shit that you're fucking calling us scum because you think she's town.

PEDIT: I am just frustrated with the fact that you do not see how much of an idiot you are right now. If you think we're scum frustrated at the wrong reasons, maybe you should find the right reasons instead of just sitting there on your fucking high horse.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

If this is how you guys are going to play the game then I really don't give a shit if I get lynched day 1.

[Sweet Pertayter]

eta @ om

good then you will no problem proving my scumtitude other than by trying to get away with saying "gut"

hey
hey
wisdom
hey wisdom
wisdom hey
hey


this is what it looks like when someone discredits a read
jsyk

[Sweet Pertayter]

*flounce*

VOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollieVOTE: mollie

If people still are wondering why I think mollie's scum then they should probably consult an optometrist.

[Sweet Pertayter]

I keep going back and forth on you mollie, but Om thinks that you are scum and I'm still waiting for things that will tell me that you are town.

We both think Mantis is scum

we both think Bert and Angel are town

Lynx is leaning scum for both of us.

I don't like Wisdom either, his defense of you is strange and the fact that he expects to be able to meta-read you, when I wasn't even able to do so in Polyg?

I honestly don't think that Wisdom thinks that I am able to read you that accurately and is looking for things to get a fairly easy mislynch going. It wouldn't be the first time he thought that I would be easy kill

[Sweet Pertayter]

Lynx is leaning Town for both of us.

Fixed

[Sweet Pertayter]

when I wasn't even able to do so in Polyg

I don't think that you had problems reading mollie there?

I did?

but there were others who were of greater interest to me

[Sweet Pertayter]

I think you're town, but Ommy thinks you may be scum Nats

[Sweet Pertayter]

._.

I've been posting, but talk to me, what do you want?

[Sweet Pertayter]

when I wasn't even able to do so in Polyg

I don't think that you had problems reading mollie there?

I did?

but there were others who were of greater interest to me

show me

Hm..

It wasn't stated in thread, though it was there. There was one point where I asked for your reads just to see how you would respond

you asked me to talk about my reads, but you aren't responding to them as I give it to you why?

and the weird vibes is probably me trying to play a more erratic playstyle just to try and keep up with Ommie?

I think I've stated before, that my hydra partner often influences how I play a game.

we are trying to play unified.

Other than complain about other's, why don't you try and work with what you got?

[Sweet Pertayter]

oh

I got permission to do this earlier

VOTE: Wisdom

[Sweet Pertayter]

oh

I got permission to do this earlier

VOTE: Wisdom

nonono

put your vote back on us cos we're the scumz remember? I am skating on town reads and now you have a follower don't chicken out now.

You're probably town for this mollie

[Sweet Pertayter]

Prod dodge

content tomorrow

[Sweet Pertayter]

Serra

You've never seen Scum-mara, so what are how are you deciding how I sound like as town without that?

BUT HAI, LONG TIME NO SEE

Can you explain your desp read?

[Sweet Pertayter]

I'm not going to touch Slimer at all Serra, least not now.

and IDK about desp, I guess he seems... Nicer? less cocky maybe, but I don't think that is alignment indicative at all. I might follow you onto him, I think you have a fairly decent point

I could go after TNE, he's being all lurky and I don't like it. I'm fair sure town-tne tends to be far more active than he is now, though the only think stopping me is his activity in our hydra and the fact that, I know he's busier than he used to be and I'm not getting the vibe that he's trying to hard which is good... I think

[Sweet Pertayter]

I wouldn't miss him, but I have a terrible track record of reading him so...

[Sweet Pertayter]

Why are you trying to feel your way around people? over pushing people yourself Wisdom?

what exactly is your read on Fitz? Why do you want him lynched?

[Sweet Pertayter]

slimer is a convenient D1 mislynch to push, isn't he?

This is a loaded question.

(Also sorry that I haven't been posting at all lately, I've been having mood problems lately and I'm focusing on trying to obtain stability. Hopefully my posting will be more frequent as time goes on.)

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Where have you played with Scum-me?

You've played with town me plenty times, but I don't recall you playing with Scum-me

I've played with Scum-you though but, I barely remember that game :/

[Sweet Pertayter]

ooohhhhhhh

That game where I replaced Mollie

riiiiight...

That didn't last long...

Yeah, I still think Wisdom might be scum. Mollie has a point in Wisdom not pushing his reads hard enough and that is kinda weird. I really, really don't want to go after Slimer, and My other head doesn't agree with my reasons but we do have a common read on Wisdom so that's the one we are pushing

We both have a weaker consensus on Mantis, though I would prefer to go after the stronger read

[Sweet Pertayter]

oh

and we would also be ok with a desp wagon

[Sweet Pertayter]

VOTE: desperado

Pedit: ohhaiserra

[Sweet Pertayter]

Mantis and Desp both have two votes without yours Serra, what are you doing?

I don't think Om wants to vote Mantis and I don't see the case for scum-Serra other than that weird as fuck switch

[Sweet Pertayter]

No, wait

never mind. I missed Nat's Vote to Mantis

VOTE: Serra

I have a better feel for that lynch over the Mantis lynch

[Sweet Pertayter]

I was also beyond lost in TR though I don't think I lurked that game.

and I handed out Sporadic reads in mylo.

and Serra, I don't think either of the major wagons are scum, but I have recently got a much better feel from Mantis than I have from you. I'd much rather keep her over you and the fact that you now reading me as scum because I chose her over you is strange.

[Sweet Pertayter]

I still prefer wisdom more than anything, but I don't think anyone is going to follow that at this juncture

[Sweet Pertayter]

Wait

Serra replaced Angel FFS

UNVOTE:

Do we really have to kill mantis though? I don't want to kill Mantis

[Sweet Pertayter]

Hello I am here I just got home.
What is happening?

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Hey Om. We're close to No Lynching.

I can roll with a Nat lynch if you're on board.
VOTE: Nat

[Sweet Pertayter]

I'd rather no lynch than lynch Mantis or Serra right now so I might as well try and lynch someone better instead.

[Sweet Pertayter]

I'd rather no lynch than lynch Mantis or Serra right now

Don't complain and just vote Nat.

[Sweet Pertayter]

WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR NAT. IT'S LITERALLY OF ZERO USE!!

it's my vote!!!

<3

I don't want to lynch Nat though.

Then don't waste your vote not voting.
Just because we have and hour and a half left doesn't mean you can't keep pushing for what you want.

[Sweet Pertayter]

ugh i have fitz as leaning town but it's not strong enough for me to seriously consider keeping him around
VOTE: fitz

[Sweet Pertayter]

penguin just vote fitz because wisdom is being scum

[Sweet Pertayter]

wisdom dies tomorrow.
All in favor?

[Sweet Pertayter]

VOTE: Wisdom
yep yep

[Sweet Pertayter]

UNVOTE:

weren't you scum-reading us yesterday Nats?

[Sweet Pertayter]

You were also Scum-reading Serra IIRC, so how did both of us suddenly appear in your town-block?

as for my sudden unvote on Serra, I hadn't forgotten that there was a replacement, but rather, I had forgotten that Serra was the one who did the replacing. I forgot how solid my town-read on angel was, and how town Serra was when he first replaced in in the midst of the fight I was having with him and then, sudden flashes of that switch game came to me >.>

[Sweet Pertayter]

Oh god

where did that neighbor hood claim come from and why are you using it like the two of you are conf. town when that probably isn't the case?

Mantis, I'm unsure of Peng though I do like Nats. what are your thoughts on him?

[Sweet Pertayter]

That was Ommy

[Sweet Pertayter]

Oh, right, you only placed your vote on Serra as a compromise.

though that change of heart on me is weird

and, No Mantis, Nats is basically treating you like you're conf. town, even trying to use the neighborhood thing as a way to try and sway you his way

[Sweet Pertayter]

VOTE: nats

[Sweet Pertayter]

I don't agree with you on Serra though

I feel like I'm wrong about you though Wisdom

Pedit: I'm confused

Guess I should go re-read stuff

Pedit X2: I was thinking you were scum yesterday, but You're more null today, leaning town

[Sweet Pertayter]

I don't know, I just have a feeling with your opening today

[Sweet Pertayter]

What? I was not scum-reading Serra. I think I actually said that he was my closest ally. As for you, I had some time over the night...I had a change of heart.

OH WAIT

UNVOTE:

I need some time to think

[Sweet Pertayter]

I don't know, I just have a feeling with your opening today

that was my answer for you wisdom

[Sweet Pertayter]

Euughh..

Nats is town, I'm pretty sure, and I don't think anyone should touch him

VOTE: Wisdom

[Sweet Pertayter]

I apologize for the bipolar attitude nats

[Sweet Pertayter]

Explain how I am scum for touching him.

That isn't why you're scum

[Sweet Pertayter]

Euughh..

Nats is town, I'm pretty sure, and I don't think anyone should touch him

VOTE: Wisdom

To add on to this Wisdom isn't even answering what he can't explain that Nat has brought up and had instead chosen to refute it on the basis that Nat is scum.
Examples include: 'Look at the scum trying to make forced conclusions without any basis. We're both town, I know you don't like it, but that's how it is.' where he dismissed it as scum trying to make him look bad instead of exploring other options or convincing Nat otherwise.

~Om

PEDIT: stop posting gosh

[Sweet Pertayter]

I don't know, I just have a feeling with your opening today

that was my answer for you wisdom

That's bullshit. If you argued you townread me because of what happened in twilight I'd believe you, but this is total bullshit coming from you.

Goddamnit, if Mara is scum it prolly means Nat isn't.

mara is an idiot don't listen to her anyway

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Goddamnit, if Mara is scum it prolly means Nat isn't.

Setting up lynches yep yep.

And yes Nat, I'm hungering for a Wisdom lynch.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Hey!

I was leaning town, but I had a little convo with Ommy and I realized that I was wrong and that my read on you yesterday was right

Pedit: we are on wisdom nats!

PEdit2: stap!

[Sweet Pertayter]

That's bullshit. If you argued you townread me because of what happened in twilight I'd believe you, but this is total bullshit coming from you.

I didn't read twilight, not until a few moments ago which happened after that point

[Sweet Pertayter]

To add on to this Wisdom isn't even answering what he can't explain that Nat has brought up and had instead chosen to refute it on the basis that Nat is scum.
Examples include: 'Look at the scum trying to make forced conclusions without any basis. We're both town, I know you don't like it, but that's how it is.' where he dismissed it as scum trying to make him look bad instead of exploring other options or convincing Nat otherwise.

Explore what other options? The only other option is Nat being retarded town who refuses to accept the possibility of neighbours being both town. But no, you don't care that Natirasha refuses to explore that option and dismisses it, you only care when I do it. Right?

Being dismissive again here yep yep.
Of course someone is retarded for having a different opinion to you. You sound so silly right now, I just thought I should let you know

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tater

Thanks Mara for making this easier. This is not town-you. You would have figured I'm town and convinced Om, not the other way around.

how do you figure that?

[Sweet Pertayter]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tater

Thanks Mara for making this easier. This is not town-you. You would have figured I'm town and convinced Om, not the other way around.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

meta based arguments are so last year.
Nice to know we're scum because I'm so persuasive :)

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

The Guy who prides himself of being un-metable is expecting me to be able to read through his town-game?

This is funny

[Sweet Pertayter]

Oh

is that actual AtE?

[Sweet Pertayter]

Whoever of you two is town (because again, I doubt both of you are scum teaming up on me), you're stupid for thinking I am scum for this. I will not fucking ever join a wagon I suspect scum are pushing, I don't fucking care if it's twilight or the end of the world.

t h a t i s n o t w h y y o u a r e s c u m

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tater

Thanks Mara for making this easier. This is not town-you. You would have figured I'm town and convinced Om, not the other way around.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

meta based arguments are so last year.
Nice to know we're scum because I'm so persuasive

~Om

Meta has helped me catch scum countless times, I'm sorry if you don't like it.

Yep I'm sure you're going to have a great time using meta as if Mara is controlling the hydra when I'm the one running the show back here.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tater

Thanks Mara for making this easier. This is not town-you. You would have figured I'm town and convinced Om, not the other way around.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

meta based arguments are so last year.
Nice to know we're scum because I'm so persuasive

~Om

Meta has helped me catch scum countless times, I'm sorry if you don't like it.

Meta has also caused you to make terrible, terrible mislynches

Pedit: Mylo and The Open?

because you don't really feel the same way here as you did there

[Sweet Pertayter]

The Guy who prides himself of being un-metable is expecting me to be able to read through his town-game?

This is funny

Yes. Last few games you proved you can.

burden of proficiency.
do you even know how meta works?

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Because, I don't really think it's a possibility and I think that the neighborhood probably does have scum in it

[Sweet Pertayter]

I mean, why not make it mason over Neighbors?

[Sweet Pertayter]

Being dismissive again here yep yep.
Of course someone is retarded for having a different opinion to you. You sound so silly right now, I just thought I should let you know

~Om

You just dodged the accusation, huh?
Explain why you don't care about Natirasha dismissing a possiblity of town/town neighbourhood, but you do care about me dismissing the possibility of him being town doing so?

The accusation is based on nothing because you're making it sound like what Nat did must be bad when it's not. I don't think Nat is scum and I can see how Nat's actions were achieved. To me Nat is probably making decisions (good or bad I don't know for sure) based on potentially misguided information. However there is no ill-intent in the decisions at all. It's perfectly reasonable that Nat thinks that the neighbourhood has one scum in it and one town, what says it can't?

With you however, you didn't even try to argue otherwise and just dismissed Nat as being scum so nope don't have to answer Nat.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

If it means anything, I stopped posting and let Om take control of this argument so it'll lessen the mind-fuckery the argument is likely to give others!

[Sweet Pertayter]

It's perfectly reasonable that Nat thinks that the neighbourhood has one scum in it and one town, what says it can't?

Why does he dismiss the possibility of town/town?
He goes and states that "there's

probably

one town and one scum, Wisdom is probably the scum, so let's get him" - how is that not ill-intended? Why should I not think that it's one more step to push my mislynch?

there's

probably

one town and one scum

probably

Since when did 'probably' mean 'definitely'.
I'm pretty sure you were the only one speaking in absolutes there.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

If you are town and read the post, you will care about the point he's making, that the neighbourhood is town/scum. You won't care about the "probably". So yeah, he was speaking in absolutes, only doing it in a way better for people to find the point good. If you go and blatantly post "The neighbourhood is town/scum, Wisdom is scum, period", people are not likely to agree with you as much.

'If you are town and read the post, you will...'
I don't know who you're trying to win over with that argument. People don't like to have their actions assumed for them.
That's a really roundabout way to claim he's speaking in absolutes. The matter of the fact is that he never spoke in absolutes, that won't change no matter how many different intentions you try to fit to it.
Also you realise town tend to make their arguments sound better than they actually are, too? I do it all the time.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

I'm talking about how town will perceive his post. They won't care about the "probably", so the "probably" is irrelevant.
The point remains, why the fuck should I not think he's pushing my mislynch?

He can be pushing your mislynch regardless of if he's scum or town. That's not what I was arguing.

I really don't think both of you are town lining this lynch up on me since yesterday for really crap reasons, so I know that one of you is scum and the other just retarded. Knowing this, why the fuck wouldn't I be suspicious of Natirasha trying to push such a bullshit point?
But do you even try to see this from my persepective? You don't, because you're scum.

If you can make assumptions based on actions then why can't Nat? Nat never specified exactly where the assumptions stemmed from (maybe he did after, I don't remember, but that's kinda irrelevant to the point I'm making) and you never bothered to ask what made him think that. You're arguing he's scum for assuming something you don't agree with and you're attacking the credibility of the attack, yet you don't even know how it originated.
And there you go with your immaturity again. Of course I'm scum because I'm not arguing through your perspective. Sorry, but that's not how mafia works.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

mac, what do you make of the push on me? Is the scum tater or Natirasha?

Here's a false dilemma.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

It's not that you're arguing through my perspective, it's that you refuse to consider it.
And when I say that he's pushing my mislynch, I mean purposefully, with ill intent.


Pedit: Because I can't fucking see them both being town lining up a lynch on me. One of them is scum buddying the other.

Your perspective right now is that two people are pushing my lynch and I'm town and they're using really shit reasons so one of the has to be scum.
And you're wondering why I'm not considering your perspective right now :|

slimer is probably town and yeah wisdom's points on serra have made me reconsider a townread but I haven't had time to really reread serra and I'm too tired to do it now.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

okay why is that? he's playing similarly to a game i played with him as scum?

because my townread on him has just been me glancing over his posts and I haven't actually looked at him in-depth and I'll do that tomorrow :)
(assuming you're talking about slimer here)

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Quick question to anyone who's played a mara game before. We expecting an SK+3 scum or SK+2 scum?

@mollie: Go reread the beginning of today and tell me what you think of potato-hydra?

I agree with the fact that we have some serious lurker scum--I sort of suspect that everyone(besides Wisdom...) who is talking right now is probably town.

I've only ran one game, and it was an open so I don't think anyone expects anything from my games yet!

[Sweet Pertayter]

God Wisdom

why do you keep doing this shit to me?

why?

[Sweet Pertayter]

I don't think so Wisdom, there are some good points om brings up against you though there are some things in your post that look like they are coming from a town mind-set

we decided to give you a chance and work with people

VOTE: TNE


this is where we going to place our vote

[Sweet Pertayter]

We aren't going to touch Nats at all, no matter what the circumstances Wisdom, so if you want to work with me this game, You're going to have to leave Nats alone

[Sweet Pertayter]

You fighting with Mollie isn't going to do much either

Mac made a few posts that was super fucking town, a vibe I don't get from him often so I'm now confident in that slot being town

Slimer, TNE, and Desp are my Top 3 choices for scum

Which, goes against with what I was saying yesterday a bit as I was kinda defending slimer, though I'm not fond of his play at all. If we are going to put him on hold a little longer, I think the next best person o go after would be Serra, but Angel was super town so I'm kinda hesitant to go after that

How you're defending your neighbor doesn't look scummish, though I am a little sus of why Peng things the neighborhood is TvT and isn't considering the fact that one of you may be lying about flavor

Everyone else who I havn't touched upon is town

Pedit: To an extent yes. I can see where she is coming from, and I can see the similarities she is drawing her conclusions from though I think they are wrong, and I think that you can be a little fallacious and nonsensical as town as well as scum

YOu do give conspiracy theories as scum, but you also do them as town so it's null

I think that you expecting people to be able to read you as town, when you are town is pretty townish

[Sweet Pertayter]

Next best option to go after if anyone in that top three was town

and I honestly can't explain it other than Angel was pretty light hearted and the humorus nature of the post just screams, screams, scream town angel as does her engagement level when she is here

as for Desperado, I just don't like him...

I feel like he's treading water, taking care as to who he aligns himself to and I don't see any proactivity coming from him which is really worrisome

why do you think he's town?

[Sweet Pertayter]

Mollie

come talk to me when your more level headed

[Sweet Pertayter]

I'm not hedging?

I just gave three decent scum-reads, one maybe scum-read, and a the rest are being read as town

I am flip-flopping alot this game, but I am not hedging

[Sweet Pertayter]

:S

I'll catch up soonish. consider this a prod-dodge (I think)

[Sweet Pertayter]

town:

bert
nats
slimer
nats

tater

When did this happen?

[Sweet Pertayter]

VOTE: Mantis

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

that tater thing and tne needs to get the fuck in here and no 1 should hammer until they do.

Yes, what do you want?

Also UNVOTE: .
~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Hey Ommy, what do you think of the current shift towards Peng? Would you buy peng/desp?

I can buy Peng but not as sold on Desp.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

I gave up on trying to analyze stuff ages ago'

but my reads are still, more or less the same. This tunneling Wisdom has on Serra reminds me of his Tunnel on me in Jason's game

Both of them are still town

VOTE: Penguin

[Sweet Pertayter]

Om I just don't know and don't really like,

I don't like you either but if you're willing to shut up more often then feel free to work with me here

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Mara basically gave up because people were spamming too much and I'm kinda apathetic too because of the same reasons.
If people wanna ask me questions I'll be fine answering though.

Those scumreads are Mara's btw. Right now I'm not liking Mantis, Wisdom and Serra (I don't think they could all be the scumteam together, however).
In fact I should probably move the vote back.
VOTE: Mantis

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

We only gave him a chance to see if he could work with other people and he's failed to do so.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

@ om

come talk to me hon. I have been begging for y'all's attention all game what's up.

Can I just have a quick summary of all your scumreads before we talk?

~Om

PEDIT: When we unvoted him despite all the arguments we had with him.

[Sweet Pertayter]

I can agree with Bert and Nats as strong townreads. I feel pretty much the same way about penguin (except I'm kinda indifferent on the whole claiming fiasco).
Mantis is probably my biggest scumread right now, followed by Serra. I'm just not getting good vibes from Mantis anymore and I haven't really been getting many good vibes since ED1.
Serra I was townreading in D1 with kinda little reason (never really looked at him properly I just kinda got decent vibes) but lately with his continued lack of input and the fact that it took him so long to even give an excuse as to why he's giving little input is really bugging me and I don't like it.
Desp I really just cannot figure out. He sounds town but then I get bad vibes. I think I'm reading him as town because of the apathy as it seems like he's just apathetic town (like most of us) but then maybe my bad vibes are just paranoia? What do you think about his apathy?
I can kinda agree with a TNE read. I mean I haven't really gotten bad vibes but I haven't gotten good vibes either so I'm not disagreeing with it.
Wisdom I really just want dead regardless of alignment, but I can see him flipping scum so it's even more ok.

Also flirting with AP is nothing, I'm totes a ladies man despite being gay ;) Didn't you see Mara and Mala basically fighting over me that one time? But seriously I don't understand exactly what you're trying to say with that. Maybe you could link the relevant examples?

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

EBWOP: I'll shut up more often if that helps you all too

Think I've been more harm than help tbh, don't lie

This would help a bit, yeah. I am way past over gamed, and it doesn't help when I can't get the info I need in the initial run-through because of the high fluff content and arguments that are going on in thread

I'll maybe delve into the Wisdom/Mollie fight, but I don't think it's at all useful and I feel like both of them are town atm.

I'm pretty Cozy on Penguin right now

we are making it pretty obvious as to who's posting what with Om's signing and wotnot (and I would too though it's only necessary for one hydra head to sign their post) so the fact that she isn't trying to analyze the post to the extent of, figuring out who the authors are when reads are being talked about/when votes are being placed down is pretty suspicious.

I convinced Om to give Wisdom some time because we have been dissonant on him for the majority of the game. my personal read on him as changed quite a bit and I'm thinking his stubborness was playing against him

My reads have, for the most part been the same because of the fact that I havn't really analyzed anything new, nor have I re-analyzed any of the older information

if everyone is done fucking around, I'll try and get back into this game and give you guys relevant information

[Sweet Pertayter]

WAFFLES

WAFFLES ON EVERYONE

[Sweet Pertayter]

I think Desperado is town

and my read on Serra is weakening

I think I would vote Serra over Desp

though, I still kinda like my spot on Penguin

[Sweet Pertayter]

no

I am on Mantis, why am I on Mantis?

VOTE: Penguin

[Sweet Pertayter]

No, I was declaring the strength of my waffling reads. not calling everyone else out for waffling

[Sweet Pertayter]

UNVOTE:
Mara and I have been talking.
I'll revote once I've talked with mollie too.
I'm all ears, mollie. What have you got to discuss?

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Oh sweet fuck

I want God dead

ahhh...

Fuck, knew it was gonna happen at one point or another

[Sweet Pertayter]

but he seriously does need to go

[Sweet Pertayter]

His opening is shit, and his need to FOS people who voted Fitz at the end of the day?

I don't like it, and it looks like he is looking for an easy way to "scum-hunt" over actually doing so. He didn't take into consideration that it was a deadline-lynch, and then does this thing where he would rather no lynch than lynch a town-read, which is understandable, however Fitz wasn't a town-read for anyone.

The only thing that gives me pause is him projecting his personal playstyle upon everyone else. He is expecting everyone to Hunt the way he does which is Faulty as fuck (even though I can sympathize with that kinda mindset)

I don't like this Scum is more/less likely to be consistent/fluid with their reads. It's incredibly fallacious and town have motivation to be sticky with their reads. I know because I used to be sticky as fuck with mine

[Sweet Pertayter]

I keep thinking Fake God is scum but then I don't know if that's just my kneejerk reaction to his kind of personality.
Idk, I can't decide. I feel like his posts between Mara's last post and this post give me really bad vibes and I feel like he's focusing way too much on Nati right now. It just seems like he's also trying to play the willing-sacrifice card to look more persuasive but I don't feel like he's being genuine.
But then at the same time I see the points Mara raised up about him forcing others to be like him and we both agree that scum probably wouldn't really do that and it gives me second thoughts.

Mollie, what do you think? Also I kinda can't really answer your question about serra because I really don't remember that game all that much, sorry.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

I keep thinking Fake God is scum but then I don't know if that's just my kneejerk reaction to his kind of personality.
Idk, I can't decide. I feel like his posts between Mara's last post and this post give me really bad vibes and I feel like he's focusing way too much on Nati right now. It just seems like he's also trying to play the willing-sacrifice card to look more persuasive but I don't feel like he's being genuine.
But then at the same time I see the points Mara raised up about him forcing others to be like him and we both agree that scum probably wouldn't really do that and it gives me second thoughts.

Mollie, what do you think? Also I kinda can't really answer your question about serra because I really don't remember that game all that much, sorry.

~Om

okay. does mara not remember it either? cos her and tam nailed both of us as soon as we subbed in. so did you.

I don't understand why I have had to ask this so many times and have it not answered until now.

Link the game for me and I'll ask her and also refresh my memory a bit.
Also I don't remember you asking before but oh well.

Still would like your opinion on FG btw. Mara and I are divided, I lean scum she leans town.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

I need the potato hydra to answer this question for me: yes or no?

Was there a beginning to this that I missed or something?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27341

I already stated what I thought about fg how are you missing this.

Okay I'll read through again quickly.
What you have said about FG so far hasn't really resonated with me. Give me a better rundown of why you think he's scum. What do you think about the points Mara and I have brought up?

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Nope, its a simple yes or no. Take your time. I figured that I wouldn't use the dice twice in a row.

Yes.

Also took a quick look and no I'm not getting the same feel from Serra between the two games.
~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Ok that's all I needed.
VOTE: Fake God

[Sweet Pertayter]

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

okay.

I think he is scum. or town but we have a divergence of game approaches. this is all implicit in our interactions.

what are the scum points you have on him again?

His opening is shit, and his need to FOS people who voted Fitz at the end of the day?

I don't like it, and it looks like he is looking for an easy way to "scum-hunt" over actually doing so. He didn't take into consideration that it was a deadline-lynch, and then does this thing where he would rather no lynch than lynch a town-read, which is understandable, however Fitz wasn't a town-read for anyone.

The only thing that gives me pause is him projecting his personal playstyle upon everyone else. He is expecting everyone to Hunt the way he does which is Faulty as fuck (even though I can sympathize with that kinda mindset)

I don't like this Scum is more/less likely to be consistent/fluid with their reads. It's incredibly fallacious and town have motivation to be sticky with their reads. I know because I used to be sticky as fuck with mine

This was Mara btw.

I keep thinking Fake God is scum but then I don't know if that's just my kneejerk reaction to his kind of personality.
Idk, I can't decide. I feel like his posts between Mara's last post and this post give me really bad vibes and I feel like he's focusing way too much on Nati right now. It just seems like he's also trying to play the willing-sacrifice card to look more persuasive but I don't feel like he's being genuine.
But then at the same time I see the points Mara raised up about him forcing others to be like him and we both agree that scum probably wouldn't really do that and it gives me second thoughts.

Mollie, what do you think? Also I kinda can't really answer your question about serra because I really don't remember that game all that much, sorry.

~Om

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Hard does not always equal good.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

:/

Nats why did you do that nats?

[Sweet Pertayter]

TBF, it took me a me a while to understand what he was crumbing but, Nats, you had several people defending you, stating that you weren't likely scum. There was no chance of you being today's lynch. Why did you claim?

God, why don't you believe Nat's claim? what do you think of him reaching out to me early today when I asked him about his change of heart?

I have a null-town read on you, so the best way to get our vote off you is to work with me

Pedit: why not?

I 1v1 as a PR as much as I would as a VT, or as scum.

[Sweet Pertayter]

Is town-cred the most important thing to have as town?

[Sweet Pertayter]

top

Pedit: or not

[Sweet Pertayter]

steal

[Sweet Pertayter]

No?

Nats is chasing a scum-read, and by 1v1'ing and just so happen to be wrong, you are less likely to be killed the next night

on the other end, if you do just so happen to lynch scum, and if you crumb hard enough, town will be able to see who you protected with your flip

what are the risks of 1v1?

[Sweet Pertayter]

bert, I brought it up

let me talk to god please

[Sweet Pertayter]

also, mollie, I don't really remember that game. all I remember is appealing to Om and trying to get him off me as well as playing passively as fuck

[Sweet Pertayter]

Do you understand that Natirasha isn't you, and thus doesn't think the say way you do?

[Sweet Pertayter]

Also, do you understand that not everyone will play the cop role the way you think it should be played?

[Sweet Pertayter]

or, any PR role while we are at it

[Sweet Pertayter]

No, you've based just about everything on your opinions.

Leaving your personal ideals aside, why is Nati's claim unlikely to be true?

[Sweet Pertayter]

I've only stated facts. Not opinions.

pedit: Obviously. I also don't think nati is a cop.

ppedit: Sure.

with this in mind, why are you using your beliefs to determine if Nati's claim is real or not?

[Sweet Pertayter]

Kay

I'm just about ready to call fakegod scum

God, my questions are a means of me trying to figure out your alignment and me trying to work with you and I'm not exactly pleased with your answers. You aren't answering my questions, but rather beating around it. You definitely have something to hide and I don't think it's a PR given what you think how PR's should play.

[Sweet Pertayter]

Can we make a LOLlynch that will simultaneously give us information?

[Sweet Pertayter]

I'd be down with that I think

[Sweet Pertayter]

though, the last time I moved from Mantis to Penguin, Ommie yelled at me so I'll go and see what he thinks

last I checked, she was null-town to him

[Sweet Pertayter]

Well Mara never actually asked me but I'm not in favor of a Penguin lynch yet bc yeah I am null-town on her right now.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

VOTE: Huntress
Huntress has not improved slimer's shittiness so I am okay with this.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

does this look like his play in polygamy?

I don't think so, not really. I would compare this more to Ffery's game than I would polygamist.

I can see how you see similarities with his push here, and his push on me in polygamy ( and yes Bert, I did cry as I was getting ran up/as I was arguing with wisdom and all that stuff)

and yes Wisdom, you did call me stupid in so many words though I think you were more careful with your words there as compared to here even after you got all flustered and stuff

[Sweet Pertayter]

Bert, I couldn't talk till I was dead, of course I admitted it post game

[Sweet Pertayter]

now shut up about the game please

[Sweet Pertayter]

Everyone needs to calm the fuck down.
Mollie, seriously, stop that. You're turning this game into something personal and that's not where it should be going. We can work together here if you can just calm down and compose yourself again.
Wisdom, seriously, stop that. Tone it down a notch.
Bert, seriously, stop that. No need to CAPS LOCK TIME.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

ohsweetfuck

VOTE: Wayne

[Sweet Pertayter]

I don't want Waynne to get into mylo

regardless of who he replaced in

[Sweet Pertayter]

Missed you to Serra <3

[Sweet Pertayter]

It's more a, I don't really trust his decisions in mylo or lylo

Desp tracked Mantis to the kill?

[Sweet Pertayter]

I don't really trust him, period

Pedit:

ok

[Sweet Pertayter]

VOTE: Mantis

I think I could go for this

I don't think Desp would lie like that just to try and gain a edge, specially if it would mean one less member if he chooses to frame a buddy

[Sweet Pertayter]

Wayne is probably town

and I'm on page 106!

Oh, who is that Mala?

[Sweet Pertayter]

Why desp over Mantis?

[Sweet Pertayter]

example of that?

because I don't see it

I also can't see the rationale of scumdesp coming out like the way he has, it looks alot like he thinks he actually did catch scum

I find it weird that there is a tracker and a cop in the game, and I played a normal game where I faked-cop but you aren't an optimal lynch either until later on.

I do find it wierd that you are still alive though

Pedit: I don't think it's that out of the question, no

[Sweet Pertayter]

Yeah I don't think potato is scum. I just think mara is not thinking.

Come again?

[Sweet Pertayter]

I am reading?

and I am trying to clarify what exactly happened

So far, what I have gotten is that Desp tracked Mantis, and all I'm reading is WIFOM'ic shit on why Desperado is scum when it is obvious that he isn't given the timing of his claim

[Sweet Pertayter]

example of that?

because I don't see it

I also can't see the rationale of scumdesp coming out like the way he has, it looks alot like he thinks he actually did catch scum

I find it weird that there is a tracker and a cop in the game, and I played a normal game where I faked-cop but you aren't an optimal lynch either until later on.

I do find it wierd that you are still alive though

Pedit: I don't think it's that out of the question, no

[Sweet Pertayter]

I think a tracker and a cop in a single game is weird, but I don't find it out of the question

[Sweet Pertayter]

Not today Nats, no

[Sweet Pertayter]

He claims tracker, just to push a mislynch?

when, tomorrow it is likely to put him under alot of pressure when Mantis flips town, and non-visiting as she claims?

[Sweet Pertayter]

no

not really, though I did read enough to have desp as townish and Om did yesterday to I think

[Sweet Pertayter]

Mantis is a better lynch regardless of Desp's alignment.
Nati is actually looking much scummier today.
That is where I stand.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Ok Peng makes sense.
UNVOTE:

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

Mantis/Nats?

[Sweet Pertayter]

Now I understand why Mara didn't want you in LYLO/MYLO.
Like seriously you put way too much stock into that vote. It was a throwaway vote on someone that is almost definitely not getting lynched today, and probably never will be.
Not to mention that the basis behind it was a policy-lynch mentality, which is null-motivated and only based on personal prejudices instead of alignment.
You can talk yourself up all you want, who it's based on doesn't matter. I wanted Wisdom dead yesterday despite the townread Mara and I had on him because he really annoyed me, yet you could probably say he did a fair bit in this game too.

~Om

[Sweet Pertayter]

I could see the Wisdom bit, but I don't want to stir that pot.

So what? You're going to call us scum just because you can't bear with the fact that people might not want you in the game? Because that's what I'm seeing right now.

Also hey, if you want to lynch us, let me ask you this. What's the motivation for offing a townie to force 3 days of mylo in a game where scum are at full strength, regardless of how you perceive their play? That would require town lynching perfect for three days straight (assuming 3 scum though it could be 2 with the SK), and we haven't done that for one day straight yet.

[Sweet Pertayter]

And Om, you sure are defensive. Especially considering I asked you to hold off until I could get input from both Nat and Desp. There's purpose to that.

I'm not going to sit around waiting until I can get my turn. If I'm being pushed with bullshit reasons then sure I'm going to call you out on it.

[Sweet Pertayter]

Just because it's town motivated doesn't mean it's not horribly fucking wrong.

[Sweet Pertayter]

Wayne

why don't you just STFU and let the big boys and girls handle this

Because, otherwise I will personally Push a 1v1 against you and won't stop until you're dead regardless of you being obvious town

[Sweet Pertayter]

Kill:Wayne

Get the fuck outta here

[Sweet Pertayter]

I don't even care about winning at this point

I just want you gone

[Sweet Pertayter]

How

the hell

would our town flip Implicate Serra and Desp?

it doesn't at all, in the slightest

town can buddy town

You're logic is incredibly fallacious

regardless of your alignment, you never help out town with what you do and what you say

and there's a reason to why alot of players who have played with you want you blacklisted.