NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #5450 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:57 am

Bulbazak is at L-2!

One-Hundred-Fortieth Votecount

:

(Twenty-Second Votecount of Day Four,

AKA, the "AP is a lifesaver." votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 6 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Human Destroyer, Rena)

Rena - 4 (ffullisade, Desperado, Amethyst Kitty, Baezu)

Seanald - 3 (penguin_alien, Nachomamma8, Cephrir)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (PeregrineV)

All votes are in play.

With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Bulbazak

would be lynched.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 218, post 5429.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4

Spoiler: Vote History D4

ffullisade · Post Post #5451 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:22 am

UNVOTE

VOTE: Seanald

mollie is going to yell at you all for letting Rena get by another day.

Desperado · Post Post #5452 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:03 am

In post 5451, ffullisade wrote:
UNVOTE

VOTE: Seanald

mollie is going to yell at you all for letting Rena get by another day.

Um, what? You've been calling Seanald town all game. What changed?

ISO · Post Post #5453 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:41 am

In post 5449, Rena wrote:
In post 5448, Cephrir wrote:VOTE: Seanald
Why are you sheeping Nacho when you've been trying to lynch me for yonks?

Because Seanald is scum too and CTD has correctly pointed out that it's intelligent to wait a day on you regardless of your alignment.

Bulbazak · Post Post #5454 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:43 am

In post 5434, Human Destroyer wrote: And it's weird because you called it
my
line of reasoning when I never said that was my line of reasoning for calling you scum, ever. Wassup?

I was beginning to think you were sheeping, especially since you buckle and can't defend your position when questioned on it. This is most apparent when you backed up Nero earlier in the day. When questioned on your position, you had no idea what you were standing for. Again, you've been coasting since d2 and hoping nobody noticed.

In post 5434, Human Destroyer wrote: The bolded are twists of the truth or don't actually exist. Mostly the latter except for the first bolded line.

Really? Let's look at them again, shall we:

In post 5431, Bulbazak wrote:
Me: Walk me through it. You must have some line of reasoning that led to your conclusions. What were they?

In post 5328, Bulbazak wrote:
Because I'm trying to understand your thought process. I would think there would be some line of reasoning that would allow you to reach one conclusion or the other, but you're claiming that your line of reasoning would lead to no conclusion whatsoever. Essentially, you threw something out there that would lead to, you claim, no reasonable set of conclusions.
This bothers me, because you are one of the few in the game that I'm still trying to figure out what your motivation is. You were very active on d1 and were at least able to voice your reasoning for your thoughts. You dropped a little on d2, but still, you were making well crafted arguments. However, you've seemed to be coasting since then.
I'm just trying to make sense of all of this, hence why I'm asking about your line of reasoning.

In post 5431, Bulbazak wrote:
You: I'm not scum! Quit trying to push me!
You are trying to influence me! Scum! Scum!

In post 5331, Human Destroyer wrote:
like that is the weakest thing you could possibly push me on right now

also, saying you were going for "my thought process" is sorta nullified by the fact that you were trying to push me to say it
did
affect something

that's not trying to understand my thought process, that's trying to influence it

In post 5431, Bulbazak wrote:
Me: I'm not accusing you of anything.
I'm just trying to understand your thought processes and motivation, especially since you have been in the background since d2.

In post 5336, Bulbazak wrote:@HD:
I'm not trying to push anything.
I'm just saying that you should have some line of reasoning behind your actions. Whether you think I'm town or scum, you should have some line of thought that led you to that conclusion in conjunction with ThAd's actions, who you are claiming is scum. I'm just curious about your thought process, because you have been hiding in the background since d2.

In post 5431, Bulbazak wrote:
You: I'm not telling you anything.

In post 5408, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5336, Bulbazak wrote:@HD: I'm not trying to push anything. I'm just saying that you should have some line of reasoning behind your actions. Whether you think I'm town or scum, you should have some line of thought that led you to that conclusion in conjunction with ThAd's actions, who you are claiming is scum. I'm just curious about your thought process, because you have been hiding in the background since d2.

No.

There's a difference between "Do you believe ThAd's claimed kill choice affects my alignment?" or "C'mon, you
must
think ThAd's kill choice affects my alignment
somehow
!"

Side note: I have no idea what you were trying to get at in the bottom part, so I left it alone. The important part is you refusing to get into your motivation and thought process.

In post 5431, Bulbazak wrote:
Me: I just want to understand your thought process. Why don't you want to discuss your motivation?

In post 5417, Bulbazak wrote:
All I'm trying to do is understand your thought process
, especially since you've been coasting since d2. However, all you're doing is trying to squelch discussion, which is a humongous scumtell for me.

Say that I'm lying again. I dare you.

In post 5436, ThAdmiral wrote: Anyone up for lynching human destroyer instead?

Not today. He's likely to trip and expose himself before too long.

In post 5440, Nero Cain wrote:You've been putting in a lot of work on this game desp, keep up the good work.

Do you really think buddying can help you at this point?

Unvote

Vote Seanald

ffullisade · Post Post #5455 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:56 am

In post 5452, Desperado wrote:
In post 5451, ffullisade wrote:
UNVOTE

VOTE: Seanald

mollie is going to yell at you all for letting Rena get by another day.
Um, what? You've been calling Seanald town all game. What changed?

The Vengeball-based meta read went stale weeks ago. Seanald's posts in this game, especially over day 4, such as they are, look like coasting scum to us. We've been much more focused on the train wreck of a slandaar/bulba choice on day 3 and the craziness of a bulba wagon on day 4, but Seanald's not gone completely unnoticed. Rena, though, is mollie's priority, and this wagon coming so close, only to collapse is going to seriously piss her off.

But, Nacho is right and CTD makes a strong case for holding off. I think changing the vote now makes sense. If momentum stalls, then it's going to come down to bulba and I will hate that and yell at everyone on that wagon in perpetuity.

penguin_alien · Post Post #5456 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:58 am

In post 5451, ffullisade wrote:
UNVOTE

VOTE: Seanald

mollie is going to yell at you all for letting Rena get by another day.

Given the uncertainty about how KK might have influenced the night action results, do either of you really think lynching Seanald and giving it another night to figure out Rena's deal is worse than letting the incredibly scummy Seanald hang around and risk lynching a PR? I realize this flies in the face of my pushing Rena earlier this day phase, but without a tracker claim or a watcher CC'ing, she seems more likely to be a PR in unfortunate circumstances.

P-edit: with the above, it's pretty much addressed only to mollie...

Desperado · Post Post #5457 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:01 am

@ Bulb: I'm 95% sure Nero was being sarcastic

@ Ffullisade: Better late than never I guess. We could have avoided the slandaar/bulb train wreck if you two and Nacho hadn't derailed my original seanald wagon to begin with.

Unvote
Vote: Seanald

Bulbazak · Post Post #5458 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:05 am

I believe that's L-1. There better be intent, followed by time for a claim/final reads. If not, I'm going to hunt the hammer vote down to the ends of the earth and make sure they hang.

ISO · Post Post #5459 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:09 am

I don't think you counted Baezu's unvote.

Seanald · Post Post #5460 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:20 am

Flash Ahh-AHHHHHHH!

savior of the flash wagon!

Bulbazak · Post Post #5461 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:23 am

In post 5459, Cephrir wrote:I don't think you counted Baezu's unvote.

Nope. Missed it. Okay, Seanald's at L-2.

Seanald · Post Post #5462 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:31 am

ok, I have 1 question, why is it that all the vote switchers came from Rena's wagon?

Seanald · Post Post #5463 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:32 am

not a single one from bulba's wagon left, but almost the entirety of REna's wagon left it.

Seanald · Post Post #5464 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:39 am

talk about scum buddies don wanna buss. Ceph would be my first choice in that, penguin would be next, I think he can do a decent job of sounding town and all but he's in a background position and postures his way around nicely, scummy in my eyes.

I have town reads on Fullis, desperado,

nacho keeps me on my toes but I town read him for the most part.

and fuck it I'll just claim this bitch up.

Im a doctor I can protect a person once a night.

ISO · Post Post #5465 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:46 am

Yes, I am obviously scum afraid to bus my scumbuddy Rena, which explains why I keep pushing her. Duh.

Do I really need to ask who you're going to claim to have protected? Surely you've ever had to claim before?

Seanald · Post Post #5466 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:48 am

not talking about rena obviously

ISO · Post Post #5467 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:49 am

Then what the hell were you talking about? You were saying people didn't want to bus, then decided which of the Rena wagoners were doing it...

Also, you didn't post your actions. Need a minute to manufacture them?

PeregrineV · Post Post #5468 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:50 am

In post 5464, Seanald wrote:talk about scum buddies don wanna buss. Ceph would be my first choice in that, penguin would be next, I think he can do a decent job of sounding town and all but he's in a background position and postures his way around nicely, scummy in my eyes.

I have town reads on Fullis, desperado,

nacho keeps me on my toes but I town read him for the most part.

and fuck it I'll just claim this bitch up.

Im a doctor I can protect a person once a night.

So need colors (red or blue) for your two scumreads, then need more, since we have a flip of two blue right now.

And who you protected nights 1-3.

penguin_alien · Post Post #5469 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:04 am

In post 5464, Seanald wrote:talk about scum buddies don wanna buss. Ceph would be my first choice in that, penguin would be next, I think he can do a decent job of sounding town and all but he's in a background position and postures his way around nicely, scummy in my eyes.

I have town reads on Fullis, desperado,

nacho keeps me on my toes but I town read him for the most part.

and fuck it I'll just claim this bitch up.

Im a doctor I can protect a person once a night.

...so we have a doctor + a JK in the game? Mm-hm. Not buying it. Especially with the lack of declared targets. Desperado, any indication in your neighborhood exchanges that this is possibly true?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5470 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:33 am

In post 5469, penguin_alien wrote:...so we have a doctor + a JK in the game? Mm-hm. Not buying it. Especially with the lack of declared targets. Desperado, any indication in your neighborhood exchanges that this is possibly true?

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Seanald · Post Post #5471 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:44 am

In post 5468, PeregrineV wrote:So need colors (red or blue) for your two scumreads, then need more, since we have a flip of two blue right now.

And who you protected nights 1-3.

Red, Duh

Bacde night 1

Fullisade, nights 2 and 3

Rena · Post Post #5472 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:49 am

UNVOTE VOTE SEANALD

I don't believe you.

mastin2 · Post Post #5473 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:52 am

I'll double-check to be certain, but I'm reasonably sure that there has not been a lynch, yet.

Rena · Post Post #5474 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:53 am

awwww I LIKE HAMMERING.