NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)


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Post Post #5400 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:06 am

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Bulbazak is at L-2!


One-Hundred-Thirty-Eighth Votecount
:
(Twentieth Votecount of Day Four,
AKA, the "I realize activity drops during the weekend, but I really shouldn't have to deliver
this
many pokes. >_<" votecount.
)


Bulbazak - 6 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Human Destroyer, Rena)

Rena - 5 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade, Desperado, Amethyst Kitty)

Seanald - 2 (penguin_alien, Baezu)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (PeregrineV)

All votes are in play.

With
15
alive, it's
8
to lynch.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,
Bulbazak
would be lynched.


Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
Bulbazak - 6 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 5 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade, Desperado, Amethyst Kitty)
Seanald - 2 (penguin_alien, Baezu)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (PeregrineV)
Last votecount was page 216, post 5379.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4
CrashTextDummie: Nero Cain->Bulbazak
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Nachomamma8: PeregrineV->Rena
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Cephrir->Rena->Amethyst Kitty
Nero Cain: Bulbazak
Bacde | Baezu: Nachomamma8->ThAdmiral | Rena->Seanald
Bulbazak: Nero Cain
Desperado: Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Bulbazak->Rena
penguin_alien: Rena->Unvote->Seanald
Seanald: Bulbazak
ThAdmiral: Bulbazak
Rena: Bulbazak
Amethyst Kitty: Rena
ffullisade: PeregrineV->Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Human Destroyer: Bulbazak->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak


Spoiler: Vote History D4
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 07:28a,
Human Destroyer
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 4831.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:11a,
Nero Cain
votes
Bulbazak
in post 4832.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:15a,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 4833.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:24p,
Bulbazak
votes
Nero Cain
in post 4836.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:33p,
Cephrir
votes
Rena
in post 4838.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 02:26p,
PeregrineV
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 4867.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 05:18p,
Nachomamma8
votes
PeregrineV
in post 4870.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 06:04p,
CrashTextDummie
votes
Nero Cain
in post 4871.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:38a,
Desperado
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 4879.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:10p,
ThAdmiral
votes
Bulbazak
in post 4899.
On Sun, Jul 7/14/13 @ 04:25p,
Seanald
votes
Bulbazak
in post 4937.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 00:12a,
penguin_alien
votes
Rena
in post 4942.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:10p,
ffullisade
votes
PeregrineV
in post 4960.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:15p,
Cephrir
votes
PeregrineV
in post 4961.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 05:05p,
Desperado
votes
PeregrineV
in post 4965.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 07:22p,
CrashTextDummie
votes
Bulbazak
in post 4966.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 09:30a,
penguin_alien
unvotes
Rena
in post 4998.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 04:18p,
Desperado
unvotes
PeregrineV
and votes
Bulbazak
in post 5018.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 09:10a,
Human Destroyer
unvotes
Bulbazak
and votes
ThAdmiral
in post 5029.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 12:57p,
Bacde
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 5044.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 01:20p,
ffullisade
votes
Rena
in post 5046.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 02:41p,
PeregrineV
votes
Cephrir
in post 5051.
On Sat, Jul 7/20/13 @ 07:48a,
Human Destroyer
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
Bulbazak
in post 5129.
On Sun, Jul 7/21/13 @ 00:46a,
Cephrir
votes
Rena
in post 5136.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 11:34a,
Rena
votes
Bulbazak
in post 5142.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 01:12p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Rena
in post 5159.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 03:16p,
ffullisade
votes
PeregrineV
in post 5200.
On Tue, Jul 7/23/13 @ 01:31a,
penguin_alien
votes
Seanald
in post 5231.
On Tue, Jul 7/23/13 @ 02:43p,
ffullisade
votes
Rena
in post 5298.
On Thu, Jul 7/25/13 @ 01:27p,
PeregrineV
votes
Rena
in post 5349.
On Thu, Jul 7/25/13 @ 01:37p,
Baezu
votes
Rena
in post 5350.
On Thu, Jul 7/25/13 @ 03:13p,
Desperado
unvotes
Bulbazak
and votes
Rena
in post 5353.
On Thu, Jul 7/25/13 @ 05:46p,
Baezu
votes
Seanald
in post 5357.
On Thu, Jul 7/25/13 @ 11:34p,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Rena
in post 5360.
On Fri, Jul 7/26/13 @ 12:01p,
PeregrineV
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 5372.
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Post Post #5401 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:06 am

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*was scum so
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Post Post #5402 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:07 am

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In post 3388, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3385, Nero Cain wrote:all that scum hunting from the Haylen slot.

vote: Haylen/Rena
Vote: Nero Cain


Both are generally solid votes.
Here Nacho votes me.
In post 3533, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3471, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho, what made you switch your vote from Thad to me?
your "scumcho is voting him, so he's probably town" post.
Then Nacho lies about why he voted me.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #5403 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:09 am

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<---doesn't see how that's a lie

<---also thinks this discussion is a distraction because it isn't about lynching rena
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Post Post #5404 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:10 am

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In post 5399, ffullisade wrote:
In post 5396, Nero Cain wrote:question: Nacho had attacked me for attacking Rena. What does this say about his slot?
he also attacked you before he realised rena scum so
ok and? Its impossible for scum to backtrack?

So, you think Nacho's attack on me has nothing to do with anything, right?
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Post Post #5405 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:15 am

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In post 5403, Cephrir wrote:<---doesn't see how that's a lie
^
is scum so it doesn't matter.

But it is a lie/backtrack.

Nacho said he switched his vote for reason X but he already switched his vote before reason X. And Nacho already admitted to lying/screwing up. I just think its not an honest mistake as he's trying to make it out to be.

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Post Post #5406 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:17 am

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In post 5404, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5399, ffullisade wrote:
In post 5396, Nero Cain wrote:question: Nacho had attacked me for attacking Rena. What does this say about his slot?
he also attacked you before he realised rena scum so
ok and? Its impossible for scum to backtrack?

So, you think Nacho's attack on me has nothing to do with anything, right?
what are you doing

nero I want you to be town plz don't things that are not town like try to break up this beautiful bond we all have going on here.

so he backtracked on a read. town does it too. so why are you making this a thing like it doesn't ever happen.
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Post Post #5407 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:28 am

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????????

I'm not surprised that the whole conversation went over your head, Mollie.

But whatever. We can continue this conversation later 'cause we already have 3 good suspects in Bulb, Rena, Cephir.
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Post Post #5408 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:29 am

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In post 5336, Bulbazak wrote:@HD: I'm not trying to push anything. I'm just saying that you should have some line of reasoning behind your actions. Whether you think I'm town or scum, you should have some line of thought that led you to that conclusion in conjunction with ThAd's actions, who you are claiming is scum. I'm just curious about your thought process, because you have been hiding in the background since d2.
No.

There's a difference between "Do you believe ThAd's claimed kill choice affects my alignment?" or "C'mon, you
must
think ThAd's kill choice affects my alignment
somehow
!"
Are you ready for this?
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Post Post #5409 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:40 am

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In post 5408, Nero Cain wrote:????????

I'm not surprised that the whole conversation went over your head, Mollie.

But whatever. We can continue this conversation later 'cause we already have 3 good suspects in Bulb, Rena, Cephir.
then vote rena

I think bulba may actually be town
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Post Post #5410 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:38 pm

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In post 5393, Desperado wrote:
In post 5383, Baezu wrote:Desp, why not vote for Sean today?
Because everything Rena has said today has d fake/like she isn't reading the thread, despite her having an extremely powerful role that entirely depends on her ability to read the game and predict the scum's behavior. Her posts don't give any indication that she's capable of that, or even interested in doing so...which means she's faking it.
A role is only as good as the player. This player has no clue how to play this role, so she's playing it as vanilla. As I have said already.
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Post Post #5411 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:27 pm

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In post 5409, ffullisade wrote:
In post 5408, Nero Cain wrote:????????

I'm not surprised that the whole conversation went over your head, Mollie.

But whatever. We can continue this conversation later 'cause we already have 3 good suspects in Bulb, Rena, Cephir.
then vote rena

I think bulba may actually be town
As a last resort sure. I want to see Bulb scum eat rope.
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Post Post #5412 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:58 pm

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In post 5404, Nero Cain wrote:So, you think Nacho's attack on me has nothing to do with anything, right?
ok, in a concrete answer what do you think it is? cuz all im getting from your posts, is that your thinking nacho is buddies with rena.
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Post Post #5413 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:20 am

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*strangles Sean*

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Post Post #5414 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:28 am

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well you're not very clear with what you are trying to get across
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Post Post #5415 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:26 am

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Bulbie really shouldn't be getting lynched
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Post Post #5416 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:28 am

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In post 5375, PeregrineV wrote:
In 15 days, let's sum up your scumhunting:
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
from 37 posts.

So, make a significant contribution or get vigged.
This is Ironic, really, really Ironic
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Post Post #5417 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:29 am

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In post 5347, Nachomamma8 wrote:Bulbazak, has Rena produced any valuable information? No. And watchers are strong as fuck. Do you really think it's that impossible for a different investigative role not to have any valuable information at this point if one even exists?
Personally, I don't see how Watchers are any stronger then, let's say, a cop, since they have to actually be watching the right person, and then they only find out who visited that person, meaning they get nothing alignment related. Cop would actually be stronger, since that role at least gets alignment information.

If we were to say that town doesn't have any watcher/tracker, then that leaves 2 possible investigative roles left: cop and gunsmith. If we had a cop, I'd expect that he would have had enough information by this point to reveal it and essentially ensure a town win (4 innocents creates a nice block.). Same for gunsmith, since the vig has already claimed, that only leaves mafia with a gun.

What I want you to explain is why we should lynch what could be our only remaining investigative role, because I'm not seeing the logic behind it.
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Let me get this straight... I called it right when I said that Seanald said something to you in your QT that made you question your scumread on him, and yet you attacked me for even suggesting it? What the heck, Desp?
In post 5364, Nero Cain wrote: ?????
So Bulb never joined the Sean wagon yesterday? I'll have to look into that.
I don't like this at all. You'd have to go out of your way to misunderstand what CTD said. There is no way you could have gotten this out of that, especially since a simple ISO would show you you're wrong. This is just a way to softly manipulate people into thinking I'm scummy, that way you don't have to work as hard to push my wagon.

The same can be said for everything else Nero has done in relation to my wagon recently. He's starting to go very subtle with his misinformation.
In post 5364, Nero Cain wrote:
Answer this question straight up, because you've dodged the fuck out of it, Nero:
Why was your vote on Slandaar at the end of the day and not on Bulba? You had to concede the only reason you had given to suspect Slandaar and you had been making a strong case and push against Bulba up until the deadline frenzy.
I don't think I've ever dodged this. I think Slan's explanation that "we should assume the max # of scum" was craptastic and the fact that scum already tried to push a 7-8 man scum game made me fairly suspicious. In hindsight, I goofed but its ok 'cause we can lynch Bulbscum today.
Answer the question.
In post 5389, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5379, mastin2 wrote:4 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes.
and still no one wants to join the nero cain wagon
I don't like the Rena wagon, and Nero is still scum.
In post 5408, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 5336, Bulbazak wrote:@HD: I'm not trying to push anything. I'm just saying that you should have some line of reasoning behind your actions. Whether you think I'm town or scum, you should have some line of thought that led you to that conclusion in conjunction with ThAd's actions, who you are claiming is scum. I'm just curious about your thought process, because you have been hiding in the background since d2.
No.

There's a difference between "Do you believe ThAd's claimed kill choice affects my alignment?" or "C'mon, you
must
think ThAd's kill choice affects my alignment
somehow
!"
All I'm trying to do is understand your thought process, especially since you've been coasting since d2. However, all you're doing is trying to squelch discussion, which is a humongous scumtell for me.

Seriously, what is it with people lately not wanting to discuss their motivations?
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
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Post Post #5418 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:30 am

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Nero

Stop, please

Pretty, pretty please?

Nacho isn't scum, I was wrong about that earlier but people can be wrong and still be town
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Post Post #5419 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:31 am

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Post Post #5420 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:39 am

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What?
Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.
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Post Post #5421 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:41 am

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Leave Nero alone

He's town
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Post Post #5422 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:42 am

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and Rena is scum, you can't not lynch a person just because they are an investigative or a PR
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Post Post #5423 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:43 am

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I'm not seeing Nero-town, and I have not seen an adequate reason why Rena should be lynched.
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Post Post #5424 (ISO) » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:44 am

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and the game isn't run on logic

not all the time

look at Slenderman mafia

Pedit: what do you think of Nacho's "Rena claimed, but is still not doing any contribution and doesn't have any information yet" case because I think it's a good reason
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