NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[mastin2]

Bulbazak is at L-1!

One-Hundred-Thirty-Fourth Votecount

:

(Sixteenth Votecount of Day Four,

AKA, the "Bacde, NOOOOOOOO, sadface." votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)

Rena - 3 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade)

ThAdmiral - 1 (Baezu)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 3 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade)
ThAdmiral - 1 (

Bacde

Baezu)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Last votecount was page 213, post 5300.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4

CrashTextDummie: Nero Cain->Bulbazak
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Nachomamma8: PeregrineV->Rena
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Cephrir
Nero Cain: Bulbazak
Bacde | Baezu: Nachomamma8->ThAdmiral |
Bulbazak: Nero Cain
Desperado: Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Bulbazak
penguin_alien: Rena->Unvote->Seanald
Seanald: Bulbazak
ThAdmiral: Bulbazak
Rena: Bulbazak
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: PeregrineV->Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Human Destroyer: Bulbazak->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak

Spoiler: Vote History D4

On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 07:28a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4831.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:11a,

Nero Cain

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4832.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:15a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4833.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:24p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4836.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:33p,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 4838.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 02:26p,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4867.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 05:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4870.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 06:04p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4871.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:38a,

Desperado

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4879.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:10p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4899.
On Sun, Jul 7/14/13 @ 04:25p,

Seanald

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4937.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 00:12a,

penguin_alien

votes

Rena

in post 4942.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:10p,

ffullisade

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4960.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:15p,

Cephrir

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4961.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 05:05p,

Desperado

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4965.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 07:22p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4966.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 09:30a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

Rena

in post 4998.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 04:18p,

Desperado

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5018.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 09:10a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

Bulbazak

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5029.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 12:57p,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5044.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 01:20p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 5046.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 02:41p,

PeregrineV

votes

Cephrir

in post 5051.
On Sat, Jul 7/20/13 @ 07:48a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5129.
On Sun, Jul 7/21/13 @ 00:46a,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 5136.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 11:34a,

Rena

votes

Bulbazak

in post 5142.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 01:12p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Rena

in post 5159.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 03:16p,

ffullisade

votes

PeregrineV

in post 5200.
On Tue, Jul 7/23/13 @ 01:31a,

penguin_alien

votes

Seanald

in post 5231.
On Tue, Jul 7/23/13 @ 02:43p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 5298.

[Seanald]

Serious question: How isn't Bulba hammered already?

scum buddies don wanna bus dude.

[Seanald]

ThAdmiral - 1 (Baezu)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

kind of all over the place there.

[Bulbazak]

So you're saying that you think ThAd is lying about being the vig (i.e. scum) and is therefore lying about who he targetted, yet that tells you absolutely NOTHING about his target? I understand we're in multiball and everything, but you should still be able to come to some conclusion via PoE.

Yes, that tells me actually nothing about the target. I'm not sure why you're so set on the fact that it does.

Because I'm trying to understand your thought process. I would think there would be some line of reasoning that would allow you to reach one conclusion or the other, but you're claiming that your line of reasoning would lead to no conclusion whatsoever. Essentially, you threw something out there that would lead to, you claim, no reasonable set of conclusions. This bothers me, because you are one of the few in the game that I'm still trying to figure out what your motivation is. You were very active on d1 and were at least able to voice your reasoning for your thoughts. You dropped a little on d2, but still, you were making well crafted arguments. However, you've seemed to be coasting since then. I'm just trying to make sense of all of this, hence why I'm asking about your line of reasoning.

[ThAdmiral]

ThAd, I'm Haylen. I switched accounts over 100 pages ago.

If I'm no lynched today: hey dude, if you're a town PR who blocked me, don't do that again? x.x I'm pretty sure KK targetted ThAd anyway and thats why neither of us could action.

Ok Hi haylen.

And that's not how jk's work.

/confirm

Hey All! Lemme have a chance to look at things tonight and I'll post my reads as soon as I can.

See in you about a year then!

[Human Destroyer]

So you're saying that you think ThAd is lying about being the vig (i.e. scum) and is therefore lying about who he targetted, yet that tells you absolutely NOTHING about his target? I understand we're in multiball and everything, but you should still be able to come to some conclusion via PoE.

Yes, that tells me actually nothing about the target. I'm not sure why you're so set on the fact that it does.

Because I'm trying to understand your thought process. I would think there would be some line of reasoning that would allow you to reach one conclusion or the other, but you're claiming that your line of reasoning would lead to no conclusion whatsoever. Essentially, you threw something out there that would lead to, you claim, no reasonable set of conclusions. This bothers me, because you are one of the few in the game that I'm still trying to figure out what your motivation is. You were very active on d1 and were at least able to voice your reasoning for your thoughts. You dropped a little on d2, but still, you were making well crafted arguments. However, you've seemed to be coasting since then. I'm just trying to make sense of all of this, hence why I'm asking about your line of reasoning.

Translation: I am trying to distract you from lynching me by subtly hinting that scum-ThAd saying he targeted me means that I am town even though it is multiball and inherent WIFOM.

[Human Destroyer]

like that is the weakest thing you could possibly push me on right now

also, saying you were going for "my thought process" is sorta nullified by the fact that you were trying to push me to say it

did

affect something

that's not trying to understand my thought process, that's trying to influence it

[Baezu]

Well I read through most of the thread and I actually agree with my predecessor's reads. Rena thad and nacho look scummy. AK and desp are null to scum. I know bulba is at L-1 but I'm not sure I want to hammer. If we reach deadline I will hammer but for now I feel he's null. If you have a specific person on whom you'd like me to give specific reads let me know. I'll write more once I'm on a computer

[Nachomamma8]

What about CTD do you not like Nacho? I still think he's town, though I don't think he's been as transparently genuine as he was earlier on in the game.

It's the loss of being transparently genuine that hurts me the most.

I also do know that genuine reads as scum isn't impossible, though is DLG the type of person to do that kind of thing?

In multiball? Hell yes.

also, how town do you think Bulb is?

I have alot of mixed feelings regarding him

I have him as a 10 in towniness currently.

Serious question: How isn't Bulba hammered already?

scum buddies don wanna bus dude.

why is bulbazak red scum?

[Nachomamma8]

AK and desp are null to scum. I know bulba is at L-1 but I'm not sure I want to hammer.

you could not hammer but instead vote someone you think is actually scum
like rena

[Nachomamma8]

We have 8 days before deadline. I'm in no hurry to move my vote. Let's talk.

6 days before deadline and no additional people have promised to lynch Nero Cain with you.
While if you come over here we can have Thad, Baezu and Amethyst Kitty and actually get a lynch. How much longer are you going to try to push your vanity wagon through?

[Bulbazak]

@HD: I'm not trying to push anything. I'm just saying that you should have some line of reasoning behind your actions. Whether you think I'm town or scum, you should have some line of thought that led you to that conclusion in conjunction with ThAd's actions, who you are claiming is scum. I'm just curious about your thought process, because you have been hiding in the background since d2.

@Nacho: For Rena, same scale. How sure are you?

[Nachomamma8]

If I'm no lynched today: hey dude, if you're a town PR who blocked me, don't do that again? x.x I'm pretty sure KK targetted ThAd anyway and thats why neither of us could action.

after this?
i can't call it a rayfrost read but it's pretty damn close.

[ffullisade]

To my knowledge, Rena hasn't done anything heinous either (except under-contribute, which in her case is more likely the result of her never really getting into the game but sticking around because she drew a PR, than of her being scum, in my opinion).

You don't have a problem with her saying that she was getting suspicious of me because of the cases against me and then being completely unable to come close to summarizing any of the cases against me?

This was huge, CTD.

Nacho gave her 10 minutes. She replied after 9 minutes and change. It's worth quoting.

"that whole case made against you".
Summarize it, 10 minutes. Go.

I can't find why people were voting you o.o I've got the buddying Bulbz (possibly) thing.

That didn't answer my question, why all of a sudden has your read on me changed?

I don't remember this, let me check it out.

What did you conclude?

[Nachomamma8]

To my knowledge, Rena hasn't done anything heinous either (except under-contribute, which in her case is more likely the result of her never really getting into the game but sticking around because she drew a PR, than of her being scum, in my opinion).

You don't have a problem with her saying that she was getting suspicious of me because of the cases against me and then being completely unable to come close to summarizing any of the cases against me?

Hm. I suppose the implication here is that she's fabricating reads/inventing reasons to suspect people and I can see that. It's hard to picture this coming from a pro-town mindset and I concede that it's a point against her.

This being multiball, she shouldn't have to invent reasons to suspect people as scum. It does look like bullshitting though, and that's more likely coming from scum not giving much of a shit than from town not giving much of a shit.

Still don't think she should be lynched today, as she's keeping ThAd from being messed with either way.

[penguin_alien]

Rena's appeal to some supposed town PR that could have blocked her reeks. Plus this:

This actually makes me think Nero is bussing Bulba. I think if Bulba flips scum, we definitely need to look at Nero. I find Nero's play change particularly concerning considering it changed when he was about to be lynched. However, why would scum want to put themselves out in the open like that? Unless he's scum with a powerless role or he was connected to Town on Day One.

I do agree with the rest of your points about him. I think even if Bulba flips town, we would learn a lot for tomorrow. Vote Bulba

So if Bulbazak is lynched and flips scum, Nero is under suspicion for you, but we learn a lot if Bulbazak flips town? Do you think a Bulbazak town flip absolves Nero? If not, you're basically saying Nero should be lynched after Bulbazak regardless, as I can't imagine you think we'd learn more about someone else than Nero from a Bulbazak town flip.

[Nero Cain]

Well I read through most of the thread and I actually agree with my predecessor's reads. Rena thad and nacho look scummy. AK and desp are null to scum. I know bulba is at L-1 but I'm not sure I want to hammer.

yuck!!! I'd like to see something original from this slot before nightfall.

While if you come over here we can have Thad,

Baezu

and Amethyst Kitty and actually get a lynch. How much longer are you going to try to push your vanity wagon through

You have a scum read on this slot now?

[Nachomamma8]

You have a scum read on this slot now?

No.

[Bulbazak]

If I'm no lynched today: hey dude, if you're a town PR who blocked me, don't do that again? x.x I'm pretty sure KK targetted ThAd anyway and thats why neither of us could action.

after this?
i can't call it a rayfrost read but it's pretty damn close.

Ok, I trust your read if it's that strong. I still want you to address this, though, since it's my major concern:

@Nacho: Do you honestly think that rolecop was the only investigative role that we had?

do you believe all of our investigative roles have been outed?

I thought for sure that town had another investigative role besides Eddie (rolecop is kinda weak, imo), and given the ninja flip, watcher seemed to fit the bill. I also would think at this point that another investigative role would have enough information to start making headway in the game via PoE, and would have thus shared results. I guess they could just be playing it safe for another day, but the longer the game goes without such a claim, the more I think that Rena is our last investigative role. Now if there's something wrong with my train of thought, please inform me, but I see no reason to lynch what could be our last investigative role at this time.

[Nero Cain]

So you want any other investigation roles to claim?

[Bulbazak]

So you want any other investigation roles to claim?

I didn't say that. Given what's flipped, it makes perfect sense for there to be a watcher. Nacho says that it doesn't, because watcher would be too powerful and that we likely (?) have another informative role. However, I find that unlikely, since we're on d4, and I'm sure that if we had another informative role that they'd have something worth producing. I just don't see it. I want Nacho to explain how that version of events makes sense, but not us having a watcher.

[Nero Cain]

scum watchers are common. Reading your 5343 makes it sound like your theory is that Rena is town 'cause no other investigation roles have claimed.

[Nachomamma8]

Bulbazak, has Rena produced any valuable information? No. And watchers are strong as fuck. Do you really think it's that impossible for a different investigative role not to have any valuable information at this point if one even exists?

[PeregrineV]

Well I read through most of the thread and I actually agree with my predecessor's reads. Rena thad and nacho look scummy. AK and desp are null to scum. I know bulba is at L-1 but I'm not sure I want to hammer. If we reach deadline I will hammer but for now I feel he's null. If you have a specific person on whom you'd like me to give specific reads let me know. I'll write more once I'm on a computer

Cool, maybe summarize and break them down, for starters.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Rena/Haylen