NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Nachomamma8]

Please rephrase the underlined because I can't make sense of it.

Looking for scum in a group that is highly necessary to have scum but is not guaranteed to have scum mean that your reads of players in that group are all a little scummier. The scummy ones in that group will seem incredibly scummy, the town ones in that group will seem town but not town enough, especially when mislynches pile up. It's sometimes better to take a step back from groups like that when you mislynch from them.

I don't understand at all his unwillingness to jump back into neighborhoods today, he claims to have a strong read on Seanald independent from his neighborhood status and he's already playing the "woe is me, I'm useless and a mislynch waiting to happen" card, which makes it completely counter-intuitive for him not to try to validate his beliefs wrt to the neighborhoods. It's not like he has much to lose in his purported state of mind.

He is afraid of the Nero-scum threat. A bit irrationally sure, but he's still afraid of it. It also makes sense for him to be a mislynch waiting to be happen voting his strongest scumread as he goes down; that's what he did in Voided's Nightless and I wouldn't really expect any different here.

I believe that Bulba and Nero came into today with a firm plan to crossbus for town-cred. They both claimed VT and have no other real means to do so except through scum-hunting success. Voting Seanald (buddy or not) doesn't fit the narrative.

[Nero Cain]

Because it's weird that you apparently think whatever business you can't wrap up today can wait until day 5.

Its just replying to some of the silly accusations against me. I don't think it'll change anything in the long run.

And on the one hand you say you are not the only lurker in the game and on the other assert you've been quite active.

I'm the second most active poster and I think I have a good amount of content. Though CTD is quite right that I've been lazy and "lurking". Its a shit statement 'cause there are far worse lurkers than me but he's scum so its not like his accusations have to make any sense.

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[ffullisade]

Because it's weird that you apparently think whatever business you can't wrap up today can wait until day 5.

Its just replying to some of the silly accusations against me. I don't think it'll change anything in the long run.

And on the one hand you say you are not the only lurker in the game and on the other assert you've been quite active.

I'm the second most active poster and I think I have a good amount of content. Though CTD is quite right that I've been lazy and "lurking". Its a shit statement 'cause there are far worse lurkers than me but he's scum so its not like his accusations have to make any sense.

So there's nothing this game day that has changed your mind, or could change your mind about any player?

[ThAdmiral]

I'd be down to lynch rena if things go that way.
Just sayin'.

[CrashTextDummie]

I'm the second most active poster and I think I have a good amount of content. Though CTD is quite right that I've been lazy and "lurking". Its a shit statement 'cause there are far worse lurkers than me but he's scum so its not like his accusations have to make any sense.

You are the only one gloating that you've managed to exceed the activity limit without getting prodded. Yeah, you've generally been active but that doesn't change the fact that you've stalled on answering questions recently. Bacde has the most posts out of anyone and you're accusing him of lurking. Pot, Kettle.

You are admitting that I'm right in one sentence and claiming that my accusations don't make sense in the next. Why am I scum?

[Nero Cain]

So there's nothing this game day that has changed your mind, or could change your mind about any player?

nope, not really though it is kinda interesting how Nacho was attacking me for attacking Rena and now he has a scum read on said slot. What has changed today for you?

You are the only one gloating that you've managed to exceed the activity limit without getting prodded.

Switzerland hasn't invented humor?

Bacde has the most posts out of anyone and you're accusing him of lurking.

If you don't think there's been a massive drop in activity from that slot then you are stupid.

[penguin_alien]

Prefer Rena lynch to Bulbazak right now, although I would go with Seanald over both. Actually,

VOTE: Seanald

If anyone has a town read on him and wants to dissuade me, have at it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Bulbazak is at L-1!

saved, going to a meeting atm though.

One-Hundred-Thirty-Second Votecount

:

(Fourteenth Votecount of Day Four,

AKA, the "...And Mastin's going out to birthday lunch, but still had time to make this." votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)

Rena - 2 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8)

ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
PeregrineV - 1 (ffullisade)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 2 (

ffullisade

, Cephrir, Nachomamma8)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
PeregrineV - 1 (

ffullisade

)
Seanald - 1 (

penguin_alien

)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty,

penguin_alien

)

Last votecount was page 208, post 5175.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4

CrashTextDummie: Nero Cain->Bulbazak
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Nachomamma8: PeregrineV->Rena
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Cephrir
Nero Cain: Bulbazak
Bacde: Nachomamma8->ThAdmiral
Bulbazak: Nero Cain
Desperado: Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Bulbazak
penguin_alien: Rena->Unvote->Seanald
Seanald: Bulbazak
ThAdmiral: Bulbazak
Rena: Bulbazak
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: PeregrineV->Rena->PeregrineV
Human Destroyer: Bulbazak->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak

Spoiler: Vote History D4

On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 07:28a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4831.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:11a,

Nero Cain

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4832.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:15a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4833.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:24p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4836.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:33p,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 4838.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 02:26p,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4867.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 05:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4870.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 06:04p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4871.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:38a,

Desperado

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4879.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:10p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4899.
On Sun, Jul 7/14/13 @ 04:25p,

Seanald

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4937.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 00:12a,

penguin_alien

votes

Rena

in post 4942.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:10p,

ffullisade

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4960.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:15p,

Cephrir

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4961.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 05:05p,

Desperado

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4965.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 07:22p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4966.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 09:30a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

Rena

in post 4998.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 04:18p,

Desperado

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5018.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 09:10a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

Bulbazak

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5029.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 12:57p,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5044.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 01:20p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 5046.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 02:41p,

PeregrineV

votes

Cephrir

in post 5051.
On Sat, Jul 7/20/13 @ 07:48a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5129.
On Sun, Jul 7/21/13 @ 00:46a,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 5136.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 11:34a,

Rena

votes

Bulbazak

in post 5142.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 01:12p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Rena

in post 5159.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 03:16p,

ffullisade

votes

PeregrineV

in post 5200.
On Tue, Jul 7/23/13 @ 01:31a,

penguin_alien

votes

Seanald

in post 5231.

[PeregrineV]

Would like to hear a neighbor-scum scumlist and a clean-neighborhood scumlist from everyone.

And BOOM does the dynamite.

Thank you all for your participation.

I now leave you all back to your regularly scheduled tunneling/lurking.

KK ISO leads me to think Kitty is scum. Timing of their argument, timing of his death.

ArcAngel ISO lends same to Cephrir, Senald. I disagree with her about Desp and Bulba.

[Nero Cain]

you think Bulb is town?

[PeregrineV]

you think Bulb is town?

Based on his posts, yes.

Why do you think he's not?

Because your ISO is longer than some games I played in, a little direction to the meat of your reason would help.

[Nachomamma8]

PV you wanna vote Rena?

[PeregrineV]

PV you wanna vote Rena?

Gut says yes, mafia logic says no.

A town tracker (who has claimed and thus should be expecting death any minute) should be taking the lead in scumhunting, etc. to give the most while they still can.
But, sometimes this has the opposite effect, and you just want to wait for night to see if you get a result or killed.
So this is going to be based on the amount of effort already put into the game. If there is no burst of activity ever, then they might not be a town PR.

So that's gut.

Logic says to give her another night to possibly get results.
And lynching a PR claim that scum would want to NK doesn't seem logical.
Counterlogic says if she was really releblocked once, then she will have no useful results ever.


So, do I go with gut or logic?

[Nachomamma8]

Gut.

[Nero Cain]

nacho, you wanna answer my question?

[ffullisade]

nope, not really though it is kinda interesting how Nacho was attacking me for attacking Rena and now he has a scum read on said slot. What has changed today for you?

"Our" scumread of Rena has become "My" read. By that I mean there's active consensus.

PeregrineV has very much become a person of interest. And ThAd has come off looking a little better as a result of both the dual roleblocked claims and the concerns about PeregrineV.

I'm feeling more confident that Nacho is town.

I thought yesterday that both the Bulba wagon and Slandaar wagon were a mislynch in progress, and I feel similarly today about bulba. I'm surprised he isn't arguing against it harder, but I can relate a little to feeling that, between shaky reads and near-inevitable mislynch, sooner could be better for town than later. Sometimes I play through a fog of deathwish for weeks.

My town read of you has weakened some. A couple of your posts today sound off notes to me. I hear talk about confident or smug scumplay. I seldom actualy see someone who turns out to be scum play with visible smugness. No matter how well things might be going, playing scum is usually a graceless and choppy dash to endgame seconds ahead of the house of cards collapsing.

[ffullisade]

Gut.

Didn't you want to wait a day on Rena?

[Nachomamma8]

My read changed on you because two PRs were blocked during the night and I'm more likely to believe ThAd with the vigilante claim as opposed to your watcher claim since you've let me out in the dust and my town read's gotten a bit stale.

@nero.

[Nero Cain]

you think Bulb is town?

Because your ISO is longer than some games I played in, a little direction to the meat of your reason would help.

?!?!

This is pretty much the norm for me as town and you've played with me a fair amount so what's up with that?

off the top of my head

*his accusation that I am scum 'cause of my "deflect" is both selective and forced

*I do not like his hardcore buddying of the CTD

*I find it suspicious that he didn't vote for themon

*his backtracking on his each team has a scum neighbor

[Nachomamma8]

Gut.

Didn't you want to wait a day on Rena?

I do, but there is more support for Rena and I'm more interested in making sure scum is lynched over people like Bulbazak.

[Bulbazak]

Ffullisade, I'm quoting this again because I'd actually like a response.

Ffullisade, I'm quoting this because I think you might have missed it:

Ffullisade, it seems to me like your case against PV largely depends on Bulba flipping scum. At least your primary reason for suspecting him (herding votes onto Slandaar) does in my opinion. Please consider moving your vote there.

Every time I read #5116, it just pings me a little more. That question is so leading.

HD, if you don't think that ThAd is the vig., are you saying that he's lying about targetting me, and if so, for what purpose? What does that tell you about my alignment?

1. Yes.
2. To pretend he's a vig. Duh.
3. Nothing.

So you're saying that you think ThAd is lying about being the vig (i.e. scum) and is therefore lying about who he targetted, yet that tells you absolutely NOTHING about his target? I understand we're in multiball and everything, but you should still be able to come to some conclusion via PoE.

PV.

Seanald.

^That makes me angry.

Weren't you just saying a moment ago that you were still for Seanald-scum?

Perhaps, but I don't think Nero has nearly the amount of cache that Bulb is giving him credit for here.

He's still managed to build up a wagon on me 2 days in a row. Why don't you think he's able to manipulate the town past the point of my lynch?

@ Underline: Yeah, it makes sense for scumBulb. Why is townBulb shying away from following through with his neighborhood spec? Why was he so gung ho to get a neighborhood flip if he was going to withdraw from that line of thought after he got it?

I was gung-ho yesterday, not just because of the neighborhood spec, but because I had a scumread on Slandaar for the longest time, and his 8 scum commment followed by his thinking that 2 scum from 1 team were in the neighborhoods gave me the strength to finally see that read through. Unfortunately, I was wrong, which was a humongous shock to me. I'm not exactly ready to try again, just on the basis of spec.

I still disagree on the "big threat/small threat" distinction, I don't think it makes sense from a town PoV and it looks to me like a fabrication on Bulba's part to justify his inconsistent behavior. Scum is scum.

Some scum are more dangerous to the town than others.

You've pointed out yourself that Seanald would be easier to lynch because of strong resistance to a Nero lynch. Bulba doesn't seem interested in reaching a consensus.

So you're saying I should go for the easier lynch, rather than trying to get rid of incredibly dangerous scum? Besides, I'm not the only one who supports a Seanald lynch but is not pushing him at this time. I am more than willing to consolidate my vote should I need to. But we still have time before deadline, so I don't see the need to rush and compromise at this point.

I don't understand at all his unwillingness to jump back into neighborhoods today, he claims to have a strong read on Seanald independent from his neighborhood status and he's already playing the "woe is me, I'm useless and a mislynch waiting to happen" card, which makes it completely counter-intuitive for him not to try to validate his beliefs wrt to the neighborhoods. It's not like he has much to lose in his purported state of mind.

So you're saying that because "I don't have much to lose." I should be going after an easier lynch? No, if I'm going to be lynched, then I'm going to let my death drive the final nail in Nero's coffin.

Why would I unvote when I'm down for a bulb lynch? Its not like I care if he gets lynched before I get to the other posting I need/want to do.

Don't think I've been lurking a week and

its not like I'm the only "lurker" in this game

. Infact, I think I've been quite active lately. I admit that I've been rather lazy these past few days but lurking. lol

Can you quote the post where I claimed VT?

Translation: "Hey there are other lurkers in this game, why are you looking at me?"

If you have no clue why I think this is scummy, then you haven't been reading anything I've said.

[Nachomamma8]

Bulbazak why the fuck are you still voting Nero Cain?

[Bulbazak]

*his accusation that I am scum 'cause of my "deflect" is both selective and forced

No it's not. You kept trying to steer the conversation away from the original point.

*I do not like his hardcore buddying of the CTD

I haven't been buddying up to CTD. This is just mudflinging.

*I find it suspicious that he didn't vote for themon

I had limited access and wasn't caught up at the time. There was no way I was going to put down a vote of any kind when I didn't know what the current state of the game was. For all I know, I could have accidentally hammered someone, and there was no way I was going to do that.

*his backtracking on his each team has a scum neighbor

Nope. I still think that if there is 1 scum from a team in the neighborhoods, than scum from the other team will be there as well. I'm just not ready to immediately jump back in after yesterday, and I'd rather let scum be found there via actual scumtells, rather than theory.

P-edit: Because he's scum, and I'm not quite convinced about anything you've said.

[Nachomamma8]

P-edit: Because he's scum, and I'm not quite convinced about anything you've said.

The only person who is convinced on your Nero case and is willing to follow it at the moment is CTD, and he thinks you're bussing him. Doesn't that tell you it's about time to switch gears?

[Nero Cain]

well there's cephir but that's scum.

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