Mini 1463 (it has shitty jokes) over

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Hi all will try to catch up, it is marathon day though so..... get over there and play

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VOTE: NTP

cos RC is doesnt want it

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VOTE: NTP

cos RC is doesnt want it

This would be a scum vote, but levio was a slot conf. town by kid A.

Mutely, I know you're town bro. Get off that shit wagon plz.

How can I be conf town on day1?

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Claim could well be true but as said we need bombs out of here they don't actually help town much now.

VOTE: NTP

Bye bye

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Yer so someone needs to hammer

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OR change vote to kid A and hammer that one

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VOTE: cowbells

so adamant on a lynch and now not even considering the fact NTP flipping scum changes anything

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Things changed, but all of them favour the Kid A lynch.

1) NTP didn't push very hard for the lynch to go onto Kid A instead, he just defended himself. That looks to me as if both of the major wagons were scum.
2) DCLXVI died. In general, town logic would be to look at the people not on the wagon on scum to scumhunt (which would be wrong, because I suspect both of the other scum were on the NTP wagon), and yet he died on the Kid A wagon. In terms of killing momentum for the Kid A wagon, that was the best decision; he was pushing harder than Yesiree, but unlike me or Bub, wouldn't necessary draw increased attention to the Kid A wagon.
3) Targeting DCL suggests that scum don't want to narrow down the choices on the NTP wagon, which again suggests that the scum were on there.

Also, if Kid A was town, the logical thing to do would be to kill me or bub, which would cause the other to push harder onto Kid A than a pregnant woman and 100% cause him to get lynched.
Works even if one of us is scum.

So yeah, Kid A for today. I also am getting a townread on Mutley, based on meta from previous games. He's still dumber than my aunt Nancy though.

And Aunt Nancy isn't all too bright!! This is why I think you are scum, you've not been like this in the town games we played. Too much goodish anaylsis. Maybe it was just those games which I wouldn't put it past
The bub stuff doesn't look too bad.

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I thought Bodyguard worked differently.

That does throw a mild crimp into my theory, but it doesn't change my vote.

However, if scum had been bussing instead then it was most likely Smudger, who could have been unsure of whether or not to bus which is why he waited so long to hammer (but I'm not as sure of this theory).

Yeah, I'm feeling Smudger/Kid A/NTP. I fully support a Smudger wagon.

PEDIT: @Mutley, you mean the game where you trolled and I had zero enthusiasm for the game as a result, or the one where I replaced in and tried to wagon you and got immediately counterwagoned?

You trolled harder than me in the end! The second game you couldn't expect any less when yo uvote someone for grudges!! All is the past though

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Dude, I seriously thought you were scum.

The post where I made the list of "Maybe it's because" reasons all of the ones that applied for me being vanilla town were the reasons I voted you.

fair enough, like I said all in the past

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I once had a wilfcard to a tennis tournament, I won it. Like I will win this game

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That made no sense smudger

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Too early in the morning for me

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Yer thats right I was the deciding point on the scum getting lynched don't you forget that................

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Mmmmmmm cookie

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Smudger could be scum. TMT need to think more about

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Smudger could be scum.

shucks really, why?

Cos you could have been given a PM saying you were mafia

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I know nearly a tough situation there

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VOTE: bub bidderskins

Cos prod dodge

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I know right.

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Say what?

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No you're lying

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not allowed to link ongoing games yessiree

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TMT was what thoough?

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Just been edited now. 2 NKs so surely a vigilante?

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Hmmm I was about to vote Om right off the bat until I realized that its mylo and yessiree could easily be claiming to get the one mislynch. However it is confirmed there is one scum in them so we have to vote one of them (guranteed 50% chance of hitting scum) or No lynch.
I'm down for more a NL atm and narrow the two scum down even more.

I'm VT btw

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If we do have to vote, I would go for om over yessiree right now

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PS I hate neighbours, cos of the whole could neighbour scum

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It's the best idea. Although one of me, or the neighbours will die.

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In fact if yessiree is telling the truth. That means the neighboured person is the other scum.

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Generic how much input did al have in you choosing om?

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Right we should prob lynch today, om and al are a team. Or yessiree and kid A. Generic is dead tonight. Only option for either scum team. So we either NL and lose generic. And still have the choice whether to believe yessiree or not. However he can look at one of me or Al. That could give us a lot of info.

Therefore
VOTE: no lynch

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Generic is dead. No way you get neighboured

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Why seeing what om says. To you he should be conf scum

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Dunno. Just realised that's not true actually to you. I was working under my assumption that from my stand point it's either you and yessiree. Or al and om. Can neighbours be killed and still successfully neighbourize?

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VOTE: Om

guys its om and Al

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Thats obvious and you know it. As yessiree would have confirmed result on me and you. (only 2 unsure roles when we eventually lynched om)

This way town has to decide if its me or you. Its you

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Its you or me. Theres no other possible partner. Its you

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Did generic neighborize anyone?

Also how much thought process did al have in om getting neigboured

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Mafia neighbour?

no. Its you. Stop acting dumb for town cred

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Lol of course you did. If he claimed it. Then you should have neigbourized Kid A. Who was confirmed town.

You didnt want him in there to see your discussions

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Advantage to you.

Its an advantage to town, cos he can see the QT and look at it from a new point of view, see how Om was got into the QT. How much did you offer anyone else. Did you jsut say yes definitely OM etc.

It was a huge benefit to the town.

Generic isnt scum

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Its me or you. No one else

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Generic look at how al has manipulated you since coming in here.

Advice for you if you are ever scum and get neighborized make sure you dont let your fellow scummers in. Even if its not your choice you should offer someone else. Getting OM in there is pretty much confirming you as scum now

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UNVOTE:

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fuck you kid A. We need disucssion from generic

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I know. I was posting at the same time.

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Why al. Its me or you. No way is generic scum

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lol

I'm going to prove generic isnt scum here.

VOTE: alduskkel

will show you the case after its proven to al that generic is town

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Why the hell was I not neighbourized last night?

Another reasom al is scum. He hasnt wanted anyone else to see your QT so we can show you how he is scum. Hence why he told you not to get the conf tow in Kid A in there.

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Not unvoting, its obvious you are the scum. I know you are not the neighbourizer but yu even said yesterday you told him not to get Kid A in there as you didnt see the point. Even though there was a huge point to it.

You've kept generic alive again due to the fact he is more likely to side with you as you two have been neighbours and have worked on him since.

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Not forcing doesnt mean you didnt convince or play a part. Why would Kid A probably have voted me without hesitation??

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Even though this whole neighbour thing to me implicates you and I hope generic sees it. IE, the whole you said you were pretty sure om was town and he joined. Then you didnt want to get Kid A a confirmed town in the neighbourhood.

Also who did generic try and neighborize after om?

Quick post to say that I think the point of no lynching is so that yessiree gets another result. If he dies, then we just auto-lynch Om.

First part of the case -

Didnt auto lynch him...... what happened there?

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VOTE: mutley

only one scum in yes/om and i townread ala and gen

doesnt mean things havent changed since then.

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As awesome as a Generic-Om-Ald town voting bloc would be, I can't bring myself to vote NTP at the moment. Generic's case is too much relational tells and "I hate hydras" and Om's case is too much stretching and gut (which sound like unfortunate medical side effects).

NTP just reads too much like a disorganized hydra rather than scum.

I'll do a bit of meta research later and if I don't like what I see I'll probably vote NTP. (I'll mainly be looking for quality of scumhunting in other games.)

(I'd vote Smudger except that I actually sort of like his recent posts. Ugh.)

Vote: NotThePope

I am also open to a DCL or Smudger lynch if either ever get any traction.

Kid A is a stupid lynch because the case on him is way too superficial. It doesn't show why he (as scum) is more likely to coy about his NTP vote. RC's case is better than all the people just sheeping the Kid A wagon but it's still stretched.

I'm going with an NTP vote because they seriously aren't scumhunting, unless you call fruitless bantering with Generic and Kid A scumhunting.

Right here in the first quote. You say you think NTP is disorganized hydra rather than scum. However you will go and meta to see if the scumhunting is normally like this.

However 3 of your posts later you come back and vote for not scum hunting. Had you done your meta you would have seen that is the hyrda heads from NTP, they dont do a lot of quality scumhunting on day 1 especially. So why did you come back and vote? meta would have agreed that it was a disorganized hydra. No you voted cos you wanted to be on the wagon for town cred

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Who brought up Om first in the QT?

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Lol TIP scumhunts more as scum not town. Therefore you would have ot voted him.

Go for as town and to neighbourize please

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Any way you only other vote in the game. Was for smudger. Youve been very wary to vote all game it seems. You were second on that wagon, and you know what they say 2nd on the wagon is usually scum

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Looking at your ISO so many of your posts seem to be trying too hard be town. The slow down guys after the smudger lynch etc. However you actions and the only thing that ever matters is logic. Your actions are all scum scum scum.

What happened to ISOing me and generic. what did you get from it?

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Why did no one get neighborized the day after om?

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Wanna bet that I cant apply that rule. Its true here and it will be true over 50% of the time

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And no you acted as if you got paranoid. To distance yourself from him to generic.

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Theres no need to unvote now generic. Youve just proven you are town. So there is literally no reason to unvote. Discussion will end when you choose to. So unvote wont make it longer or shorter.

Ok but last night getting me in, only harms the town. You have to give a fair view to everyone. You havent by not letting me in. In fact you did exactly what you didnt want and have let al have all the information to use etc

The not getting a conf town in though, that is just stupid and he was the one to say that. Think about it what were the benefits of not letting a conf town in?

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Look at al also all he has done here is defend my points. Made no case on me (or you for that matter considering he has said it is possible for scum to be you)

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I acted paranoid because I was paranoid.

nope. you didn't. This will be proven after the flips

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You were town reading me cos you knew who is who. Wanted town cred with generic. Everything you have done with generic has been to gain town cred.

Generic tip for future games as neighboirzer even though it isnt the best role. There is no benefit to town by not neighbourizing any night

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Yer its generic then. Mafia neighbourizer. Bloody troll

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No surely not a troll though? I mean it does happen I've done it loads but I dont know

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So you were scum generic?

Damn sorry town I lost this game.

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Everything pointed to you ald.

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Now I know why there was no neighbourizing after om.

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Fro mmy persepective it did point to me or you.

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Yeah, that's why you don't vote in your first goddamn post in lylo Mutley.

And no, everything did NOT point to me.

If I'm sure Im sure though, and nothing today would have changed my mind.

Actually I am stupid the fact you didnt OMGus me should have told me

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Fucker.

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I feel bad

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Im glad in the dead qt yessiree, thought it was you ald. Makes me feel like it was a good scum win. Which it was.

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If I had been able to read the neighbour QT, I would have actually been more paranoid, and thought about a mafia Neighbourizer.

As I said earlier not neighbourizing only helps scum. So yer ald if you could have convinced generic to neighbourize I could have changed. The fact it came across tom me like it was your idea got me big time

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when 2 goons flipped

it should've rang a bell in your head Mutley

it did but I thought better of it for some stupid reason. I had ald in my head all night and was very rash.

Plus its easier to say it now after the game