Mini 1463 (it has shitty jokes) over

[Alabaska J]

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF way too many caps man.

on that note,

FoS: DCLXVI

[Alabaska J]

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF way too many caps man.

on that note,

FoS: DCLXVI

Vote: Alabaska J

The FoS is completely unsubstantiated and useless.

i'm sorry, are you trying to say that DCLXVI has lower case letters in his name? lying is a scumtell bub

[Alabaska J]

So you call him out for calling out an FoS in RVS? You said it yourself, people do silly things during RVS. Most of Bub's posting HAS looked like jokes. Not buddying.

On that note, I want to get a wagon going

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Lets see where this one takes us

this is interesting already. bub's callout on me didn't look like a joke to me, and so i don't think it is right to assume he is doing a "silly thing". i'll make note of this later on if either of you turn up scum

[Alabaska J]

VOTE: NotThePope
now what the hell dude, you call someone and vote other guy? besides what is that "i want to get a wagon going" when the day hasn't even started yet... you are top in my scum list (this is not a wagon vote, I just want to put my shit straight)

Severe OMGUS can be found in the above post

Best way to get out of RVS is a wagon, and it looks like I've done pretty well at getting people out it.

Meh.

and wouldn't you know, it says goon under his name. i'm not surprised you jumped on a newer player with a "wagon" - i bet you sensed that sort of overreaction, huh?

FoS: NotThePope

- this one is for real

[Alabaska J]

"chainsaw'd?" i'm not familiar with the term

[Alabaska J]

unvote

absta you know that first FoS was a joke right? i still haven't seen confirmation that you read my post correctly.

also, i don't like jumping to someone before RVS really ends, especially early, since wagons jump out pretty fast (notthepope is at L-2 right now, so a vote by me would have put him at L-1 before i got back to the computer!) and i want to see reactions to my initial points that were made. looking at how people have jumped on notthepope so fast and how empty some of the posts have been as far as reasoning goes, i feel as though there are definitely scum motions behind this wagon and i'm not sure if i'm willing to back it

just

yet, although i have not ruled out an impromptu d1 bus for sure.

[Alabaska J]

unvote

absta you know that first FoS was a joke right? i still haven't seen confirmation that you read my post correctly.

also, i don't like jumping to someone before RVS really ends, especially early, since wagons jump out pretty fast (notthepope is at L-2 right now, so a vote by me would have put him at L-1 before i got back to the computer!) and i want to see reactions to my initial points that were made. looking at how people have jumped on notthepope so fast and how empty some of the posts have been as far as reasoning goes, i feel as though there are definitely scum motions behind this wagon and i'm not sure if i'm willing to back it

just

yet, although i have not ruled out an impromptu d1 bus for sure.

upon looking at the latest votecount, i realize my statements on the wagon of notthepope were not accurate. i seem to have misread how often he was voted. because of this, i will look back and consider voting him shortly

[Alabaska J]

As for the FoS, I was being half-serious. Every game I'm in I try to get out of RVS as soon as possible by nitpicking at some tiny thing and making a seemingly serious vote.

No, I do not find that FoS to be an alignment tell in any way. I just wanted to get the game moving.

so a serious vote on someone who's allegiance you are unsure of is your idea of getting the game moving, but:

Let's get this day moving.

VOTE: NotThePope

And how exactly does this vote get the day moving along? Yes, bandwagons can move the day along, but not just because they exist. You simply jumped onto the bandwagon and did nothing to actually get the game moving. Furthermore, the whole bandwagon on notthepope is stupid because he's most likely town.

wanna explain this a little more? i'm liking bub more than notthepope at the moment for a wagon. also, Kid A could we get some more input on your voting choices? you aren't adding much in your posts.

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins

[Alabaska J]

also, i don't like jumping to someone before RVS really ends, especially early, since wagons jump out pretty fast (notthepope is at L-2 right now, so a vote by me would have put him at L-1 before i got back to the computer!) and i want to see reactions to my initial points that were made. looking at how people have jumped on notthepope so fast and how empty some of the posts have been as far as reasoning goes, i feel as though there are definitely scum motions behind this wagon and i'm not sure if i'm willing to back it

just

yet, although i have not ruled out an impromptu d1 bus for sure.

buddy alert! buddy alert!

how is this buddying? i am explaining why i didn't seriously vote someone early in the game. not seriously voting someone during RVS is hardly a buddy tell

[Alabaska J]

also, i don't like jumping to someone before RVS really ends, especially early, since wagons jump out pretty fast (notthepope is at L-2 right now, so a vote by me would have put him at L-1 before i got back to the computer!) and i want to see reactions to my initial points that were made. looking at how people have jumped on notthepope so fast and how empty some of the posts have been as far as reasoning goes, i feel as though there are definitely scum motions behind this wagon and i'm not sure if i'm willing to back it

just

yet, although i have not ruled out an impromptu d1 bus for sure.

buddy alert! buddy alert!

how is this buddying? i am explaining why i didn't seriously vote someone early in the game. not seriously voting someone during RVS is hardly a buddy tell

you're not buddying, you're distancing while at the same time keeping the option open.
aka you're buddies, scumbuddies

oh, ok. much more reasonable analysis. what do you think of bub bidderskins?

[Alabaska J]

That's an eiree accusation Om
But whatever
Notsciense speaks fluently
I speak in lines
Makes everything easier
However I will sign my posts
-TIP

care to add anything more? why is that accusation eerie?

[Alabaska J]

also, i don't like jumping to someone before RVS really ends, especially early, since wagons jump out pretty fast (notthepope is at L-2 right now, so a vote by me would have put him at L-1 before i got back to the computer!) and i want to see reactions to my initial points that were made. looking at how people have jumped on notthepope so fast and how empty some of the posts have been as far as reasoning goes, i feel as though there are definitely scum motions behind this wagon and i'm not sure if i'm willing to back it

just

yet, although i have not ruled out an impromptu d1 bus for sure.

buddy alert! buddy alert!

how is this buddying? i am explaining why i didn't seriously vote someone early in the game. not seriously voting someone during RVS is hardly a buddy tell

you're not buddying, you're distancing while at the same time keeping the option open.
aka you're buddies, scumbuddies

oh, ok. much more reasonable analysis. what do you think of bub bidderskins?

Bub's town, but he's misguided in his NTP town read :/

reasons?

[Alabaska J]

OK since everyone is giving town reads on absta im gonna have to sthu...

i don't see it either tbh. hasn't posted enough, hasn't answered me wondering if he understood my rvs fos

[Alabaska J]

No, if you think someone is scum you keep on saying it all game. Unless someone provides a good argument as to why that person isn't scum you should still call him scum. I was in a recent game where I called someone scum basically all game, it wasn't until lylo that that person was lynched and flipped scum. If I had listened to all the other townreads ppl had on that player we would have lost the game.

trust your scumhunting ... if you are town. However I don't think that is the case here.

vote:levio

someone is way to concerned with trying to go with the flow.


also, I was satisfied with bub's response, I don't have a scumread on him at the moment.

major red flags with this post, will type more tomorrow

[Alabaska J]

wow. so a lot of people have picked up basically on what i thought about DCL's post; i don't know how you can get a read strong enough to deduce anything from levio's comment let alone to vote him there. i also feel as though a few people are jumping on the recent Smudger thing pretty hard *coughbubcough*; almost looks like scum trying to jump off a wagon on one of their buddies at just the right time, if you know what i mean. i also don't like yessiree's 122, as he basically piggybacks smudger's points completely.

don't know what to make of absta's abrupt switch there. still hasn't responded to my question and just seems to pop in and immediately direct votes elsewhere. absta, did you realize my initial FoS was a joke? why the immediate jump off of me after you posted so urgently to get more votes on me around page 3?

summary:

FoS: DCL, yessiree

, absta answer me questions matey

[Alabaska J]

also, i'm more ok with Kid A's vote on levio than DCL's, if people are wondering why i'm not picking on both of them. seems much more honest than DCL's odd pseudo-mentoring post where he all of a sudden votes levio out of the blue. Kid A finally decides to sprinkle some more logic to his post there.

[Alabaska J]

I might be being unfair to NTP but I really am hating this idea that two people can play as a single role in mafia. The posts from them so far have been a little too erratic and I have reasons to concern myself early.

JESUS
VOTE: yessiree
We need to give this guy more attention.
- TIP

i like the other head better. (s)he gives quality posts instead of barking orders


also Generic, please stfu about the hydra thing. they're here, they're queer, they're not goin anywheer

[Alabaska J]

I operate just fine without all the information possible, in fact sometimes it even makes me better at finding scum.

not quite sure this statement jives with me. what exactly do you mean here? how would ignoring information help you find scum?

also, maybe you can tell me since NTP still hasn't answered me: what is a chainsaw defense?

[Alabaska J]

where did twmblwbsj go

radiantcowbells you keep bwing people with little to no reasoning & not making your own cases, IMO you are trying to be unassuming but the lack of good content makes you stick out as scum to me
VOTE: radiantcowbells

you do realize how ironic this is, right?

fos: Kid A

[Alabaska J]

unvote

absta you know that first FoS was a joke right? i still haven't seen confirmation that you read my post correctly.

also, i don't like jumping to someone before RVS really ends, especially early, since wagons jump out pretty fast (notthepope is at L-2 right now, so a vote by me would have put him at L-1 before i got back to the computer!) and i want to see reactions to my initial points that were made. looking at how people have jumped on notthepope so fast and how empty some of the posts have been as far as reasoning goes, i feel as though there are definitely scum motions behind this wagon and i'm not sure if i'm willing to back it

just

yet, although i have not ruled out an impromptu d1 bus for sure.

upon looking at the latest votecount, i realize my statements on the wagon of notthepope were not accurate. i seem to have misread how often he was voted. because of this, i will look back and consider voting him shortly

what happened to this

give me a full read on ntp pls

bub happened. also, why don't you give me a full read on ANYONE? i've said a fair amount about NTP, as have a lot of people. i don't see what you gain (other than a pass for being lazy) by me making a full case on someone i'm not even voting for. you've said basically nothing all game. i'll listen to your demands when you actually contribute, thank you very much

[Alabaska J]

sorry, posted early again

i also feel as though a few people are jumping on the recent Smudger thing pretty hard *coughbubcough*; almost looks like scum trying to jump off a wagon on one of their buddies at just the right time, if you know what i mean. i also don't like yessiree's 122, as he basically piggybacks smudger's points completely.

am I missing something or did something get lost in the crash, the recent Smudger thing, what is that and what are you actually suggesting?

didn't like two or three people vote you/attack in a row or something? i coulda sworn that happened.

the forth one?

<snip>

This is exactly the kind of reactive/defensive argument that I would expect from scum. My vote is confirmed.

and this is exactly the large yet contentless post i would expect from scum. christ, how have more people not voted this guy yet???

VOTE: Kid A

ISO sucks elephant dick, voted me with shitty backing.

Care to explain why his ISO sucks?

even though i'm voting you, i can't help but second this. instead of saying his ISO sucks, you (RadiantCowbells, in case it is not clear) should do one of him (shouldn't be hard at this point) and show us why.

I never cleared you on experience. I was analysing the stupid insta clear of bub without reasons attached, and an arogant experienced player such as yourself would do that sort if thing and assume that's fine. Or would I be wrong there and you are indeed scum white knighting or getting a teammate town credit?

i don't know what to make of this post or of Generic in general.

@Alabaska

absta, did you realize my initial FoS was a joke? why the immediate jump off of me after you posted so urgently to get more votes on me around page 3?

No I didn't recognise the un-seriousness of your FoS.
I wanted more votes on you for pressure iirc.

seems a bit early for pressure, but that is common enough around here it satisfies me. thanks for the clarification.

Why wouldn't you vote NTP here? FoSs' are useless imo. A vote would've created real pressure and possibly some reactions that we could've worked with. The FoS seems to be more useful for scum that want to see how people react to their suspicions on someone.

Do you FoS a lot in your other games? Do you do it as scum as well?

i think i already addressed this, but it was a bit early for a vote in my opinion. i didn't feel ready to put one down; i wanted to make sure he answered me though. i do FoS a lot as both scum and town. unfortunately, i'm making a return after a multi-year sabbatical so it would be harder to meta me and my approach has surely changed a bit in my absence, so you'll have to sort of take me for granted; i DID fos in older games though, so if you can find them they should confirm this. i feel as though i've fos'd quite a bit in this game, though i've done it a lot in the other game i am playing (ongoing, can't link you i don't think i don't remember the exact site rules on this) so i may be getting them confused. i don't see how fosing is a scumtell, although it is clear we have different opinions on the tactic. i see it as a good gauge for how i felt about someone at a point in time and it can be quicker for me to look back and recall my general feeling towards someone without having to reread all of their posts to remember how i thought about them. they also tend to be in posts replying directly to things (usually isolated, but they can be little things adding up) so i can pinpoint the information that creates said feelings easier as well.

@Alabaska

wow. so a lot of people have picked up basically on what i thought about DCL's post

No one picked it up from you... I got the impression when I read it.

you misunderstand me. i meant that people had already addressed what i saw before i could. the wording

is

ambiguous now that i read it again.

why the immediate jump off of me after you posted so urgently to get more votes on me around page 3?

All I said was "more votes on Alabaska". How is that urgent?

how is that

not

urgent? it was like the first post on page 3, dude. we had barely left RVS.

summary: FoS: DCL, yessiree

Omg! Fuck this, you're back in my scum pile.
Your vote is on Bub who you seem to not really talk about/get people to vote him. You say that DCL's post is very suspicions/scummy (major red flag) and then you just end it with a FoS on her. You're playing it too safe to be town.

obviously most of your case seems to stem from differing opinions on how to use an FoS in a game, so i see it as pretty flimsy and subjective. if i see one person as the most scummy, and see other people being scummy but not as scummy as the person i am voting is continually acting, what should i do? votehop every other post??? again, i use the fos as a marker of sorts to let myself know that i felt so-and-so was scummy at this time. i think bub is scummier than DCL and yessiree, but that is not a reason to not point out when the other two do stuff that sets off my scumdar. i'm curious, do you just votehop constantly the minute someone else does something scummy? you say me and DCL are both good votes; by your logic you should vote both of us since you think we are scummy (obviously impossible, but this demonstrates how absurd i find your argument).

i don't think you are scummy, just misguided. its obvious we have different points of view on a fundamental part of the game, so we may inevitably have to agree to disagree, but you are basically putting together a poor case based on my playstyle. i suggest you strongly consider the points i have made here, since i think i have elucidated why your argument is flawed and hopefully you can move on.

[Alabaska J]

also, i feel like within the post i voted bub i explained why i was voting him. not sure if you think i am not attacking him enough or something, but i also accused him of jumping on smudger opportunistically (here) although it may have been too subtle to catch on a quick reread.

[Alabaska J]

post your fucking read on him or you are being anti town

excuse me?

[Alabaska J]

I missed that from kid A, I take it this is a gloves off site?

I got a warning for using the word retarded on mtgs, and I want even calling anyone it!

Anyway, kid A has dropped in my estimations for the bully tactic. Smudger, your vote feels OMGUS, what's the full reason behind the vote there?

i wasn't mad about the word choice, i was mad about the anti-town accusation from a player who is barely contributing

[Alabaska J]

also, i'm more ok with Kid A's vote on levio than DCL's, if people are wondering why i'm not picking on both of them. seems much more honest than DCL's odd pseudo-mentoring post where he all of a sudden votes levio out of the blue. Kid A finally decides to sprinkle some more logic to his post there.

I'm sorry, but aren't they the same reason? Are you focusing on tone of voice, because I don't really understand.

yeah it was the tone thing and the phrasing. i mean the theory isn't super strong and i agree is also indicative of inexperienced town but DCL seemed to be picking up on that and giving him advice to trust his gut, and then all of sudden says "lol jk i think ur scum tho" and votes him. that rubbed me the wrong way on him

[Alabaska J]

V/LA UNTIL JULY 1

[Alabaska J]

back from v/la, exhausted from flights and laguardia airport in general, will post massive stuff tomorrow if that is cool with everyone

[Alabaska J]

Generic, no body does team speculations on day 1. save that shit for later

that's too blanket a statement for my liking. you should discuss anything that you think could contribute to scumhunting. however, i agree Generic was overreacting to NTP's vote

VOTE: alabaska j

you should vote people you think are scummy, not people who are on vacation and can't defend themselves. if you even have any opinions on anyone. why don't you post your views on each player? why do you care about my views on NTP? it should be obvious i have a slight scumread on him (at least at this point) but i like bub better. why tunnel on me like this unless you are scum looking for something to latch onto so you can say you are contributing when in actuality you are coasting?

Generic hasn't voted at all iirc. Such bs.

great observation. i'm eager to see how the rest of these pages unfold and where this leads

And I won't be voting until I see a need to. Just because you demand it doesn't make it likely to happen.

he didn't demand it, it just seemed quite irregular for you not to choose the one you felt strongest about. the game has gone far enough that not voting seems a bit queer seeing as you have scumreads on people

I'm still here!

I just haven't had much to say.

really??? why don't you start by giving us three people who you think are scummy and three you think are town

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo
VOTE: notthepopeVOTE:

what the heck are you doing? i feel like you are playing IRC mafia and everyone else is playing forum mafia

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo
VOTE: notthepopeVOTE:

What information would you get?

Damnit DCL, I was going to ask that.

Take a townpoint or two.

that was an obvious response. how does DCL get townpoints for that exactly?

Yo I think someone is scum
And I'm so certain that person is scum
But I won't use my vote to try to win the game lulz


^ Generic in his prime

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo

Alright
I've tried to be calm
Rational
And serene
So answer this right and I won't drop a fucking brick on your balls
What information will you gain?

remind me never to play a game with whichever head this is. great omgussy misrep on generic's case against you, btw

Yo I think someone is scum
And I'm so certain that person is scum
But I won't use my vote to try to win the game lulz


^ Generic in his prime

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo

Alright
I've tried to be calm
Rational
And serene
So answer this right and I won't drop a fucking brick on your balls
What information will you gain?

The one with the lower iq must have the keyboard.
I wasn't going to vote until I had done the review of you. When I did, I voted. I have just responded to being asked why I voted with the case.

Your response is to mock me for not voting... Riiiight.

Pathetic, really. You have to sink down to trying to slander my other head rather than come up with any sort of refutation. Scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum

and now both heads have joined in the OMGUS. why don't you refute his points instead of accusing him of slander? also any comment from this half on kid a's ridiculousness?

Thanks for continuing to justify my vote, you have no defence so you build straw men instead. Keep on digging that hole.

well put. oddly enough, i think generic is soundly winning this argument so far after being on the hot seat for a bit

Meanwhile, lets take a look at Generic, shall we?

First 5 posts- OMG HYDRAS CHEATING INSTA SCUMREAD OMFG GET THEM OUT

162- Nothing really, townreading people (wait, isn't it easier for scum to townhunt?)
166- Buddying and more townhunting.
The 4 posts from 172-187- Fluff posts, there to make him look like he's doing things but all in all he has done nothing.
188- Trying to force associative tells on the fact there is a wagon on him. Says that "affirms" his previous misgivings about my slot, which until that point had been expressed simply due to the fact we're a hydra.
190- I don't have time to focus on this game, when at the time he seems to have plenty of time for other games.
193- Newbie defense, strange. Doesn't seem to have played that card until he has a decent sized wagon on him.
194- More associative tells without a flip to appear scumhunting
196- Thanks captain obvious, your theory there really makes me think you're town! (Not.)
223- Wall of l0lbadcase
225- Him breaking rules
228- More fluff

Tell me folks, does that man seem town to you?

Do you know what IIoA is?

You're both acting like children, actually.
However, I'm inclined to believe Generic at this point, because when NTP was presented with an argument as to why Generic didn't vote immediately, NTP focused on the insult instead of the explanation, while claiming that his point was never refuted. He's ignoring a lot of information to try and portray Generic in a bad light.

this sums up everything on this argument i could want to say. i also agree that the naked vote on yessiree for pressure was weird for NTP. just voting someone doesn't necessarily put pressure on them; creating a case does, which ntp doesn't do. these empty pressure votes are a great way for scum to hide their vote somewhere while distancing from partners or coasting in games.

also, here yessiree conveniently forgets to quote

generic's actual case against NTP

. what a misrep!!!! red flag alert.

Actually, patience is not a virtue I've often been accused of having.

vote:om

towny points to whoever figures out why ommy is being scummy

He could still talk his way to my good side I suppose, but I'm finding it unlikely.

what?? you are blowing this way out of proportion. he thinks one person is scummy and doesn't entertain your hypothetical that he and the guy he is arguing with are both town so you vote him? you are trying to stir stuff up out of nothing; definitely looks like a scum tactic to me.

also, yessiree, why are you quoting other people's cases? what are you trying to accomplish exactly?

Also, the arguments between NTP and generic going nowhere, would two scums do something like this?

i know this isn't directed at me, but come on. of course they would.

Nevermind. I'll just go ahead with this.

We're lynching Kid A today, not NTP.

All quotes are from the Radiohead fanboi.

Let's get this day moving.

VOTE: NotThePope

And how exactly does this vote get the day moving along? Yes, bandwagons can move the day along, but not just because they exist. You simply jumped onto the bandwagon and did nothing to actually get the game moving. Furthermore, the whole bandwagon on notthepope is stupid because he's most likely town.

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins

Here, he makes an unsubstantiated vote on Bub Bidderskins after he implies that I'm scum. The manner in which he does this with no explanation to me indicates that he's defending me; like he's trying to buddy, or more loosely that he thinks I'm town. This becomes important later.

scum hydrae often wrestle with votes because they are both paranoid about being vcad and because their votes are never truly genuine

VOTE: notthepope

More voting people who vote me. Really setting up to be best buds here.

This still wouldn't be bad until later.

just gotta look at how the two heads play and respond to each other and figure out if they have town or mafia motivation

Personally I don't think it made sense for them to vote wrestle when they weren't in danger of lynching someone and I also don't like how one of them keeps townreading everyone who pushes on them

I actually can't say anything negative about this, He points out something that's genuinely scummy on his scumread.

i disagree with the people above me levio just told us they were voting the largest wagon over their scumread because ntp hasnt omgused absta

imo this is an attempt to look town because levio expects ntp to flip town and they dont want to look like they pushed a mislynch

VOTE: levio

This is where things REALLY get interesting.

Kid A's vote is on NTP because he thinks he's scum, right? Now, there's "levio expects ntp to flip town"

yeah but if we assume levio is scum being on the wagon is still beneficial to mafia and i really cant see any town motivation for voting the person who isnt your scumread

if ntp flipped mafia i would still be worried about levio voting mafia even though they think absta is the mafia, it would give me the impression that levio has more information than us

This sounds like he thinks he's onto something big.

Then he just completely lets it drop.

radiantcowbells you keep bwing people with little to no reasoning & not making your own cases, IMO you are trying to be unassuming but the lack of good content makes you stick out as scum to me
VOTE: radiantcowbells

Now he's on some other wagon agaisnt a person that he tried to buddy earlier.

someone is riled :c

Oh hey, the guy I voted because I think heis scum just voted me back.

Appropriate reactions?

a) Decide he's not scum for reasons and switch my vote.
b) Push everyone else to realize how scummy his OMGUS vote is.
c) Say "someone is riled :c"

He keeps his vote on me yet is obviously completely uninterested in pushing my lynch.

spot the difference

Again, he's not encouraging anyone to vote his scumread. He's just defending himself by comparing himself to me; something that suggests that I'm town by virtue of comparison, even though his stated position is that I'm scum and thus if we have similar ISO's, that makes us BOTH scum.

post your fucking read on him or you are being anti town

Active lurking.

doesnt this contradict the post i quoted

Interesting, and followed up with a vote. This actually looks pretty good, he finds a reason to suggest that someone is scum, then votes for them. Until...

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo

WHAT THE FUCK.


TL;DR This guy gives about as many fucks about scumhunting as Bowie does about sailors fighting in the dance hall.

VOTE: Unvote
VOTE: Kid A

(I already voted him but that makes it more dramatic)

great post. i will strongly consider voting kid a at the end of this post

Let's say I have reads on two players. A & B. I think A is scum and I think B may be town or scum. Which of the following statements may more sense concerning that read?

1: A and B cannot both be town.
2. A is scum and B could be either alignment.

Option two makes the most sense, yet om opted for option 1, which does not make sense if his reads truly are what he says they are.

dcl continues to nitpick and mince words. semantics is not that important and to me a huge scumtell. right now, bub, dcl, and kid a are my biggest scumreads, with ntp in fourth

So I'm scum because I said what you didn't think I'd say?
What I said was just a roundabout way of saying option 2, so why is option 1 only something scum would say?

Would it make any sense for me to say the following? Om and TMT cannot both be town because Om is scum for sure. No, that does not make any damn sense.

Here is what I think.

You said that two players cannot both be scum. Then, if you get the chance to mislynch one of them, you can then just logically push for a mislynch of the other. However, you got called out on that statement and you didn't have a good way to defend it so you just bs'd into saying NTP must be scum for sure so that is how my statement works. While that may be technically true, it doesn't fit the normal use of that phrase (one of them must be scum, or both can't be town) and has an obvious scum use.

I'm content with lynching om.

this post is horrific. this logic doesn't even make sense. how are you drawing these conclusions about om being scum?? how does that first statement not make sense? why are you caring so much about what amounts to semantics???

Oh shoot, got prodded. No excuse, I'll catch up ASAP.

you have been strangely inactive so far. feels like scum lurking but that is really just my gut. at this point you are no longer my biggest scumread.

unvote

i'll vote someone at the end of this post, unless someone does something really scummy like:

vote:kid A

Votes someone cause that lynch will be the "most informative"

has refused to explain why.

VOTE: DCLXVI

way to wagon hop and completely drop the whole om thing that never made sense in the first place. can't see myself voting for kid a or anyone else after this

VOTE: Kid A

you're being very vague when pushing the NTP wagon dude

you are coast central man. this guy could very well be scum

<snip>

This is huge.

Unvote; Vote: Kid A

Smudger is still scummy btw, but that catch by cowbells is massive. Kid A reveals that he knows that NTP is town by saying levio expects him to flip, but then he still wants to get onto the hot NTP wagon. That is such a massive scumslip. Cowbells is conf. town. Kid A is conf. scum.

Lynch him now. I will not be happy with any other lynch today.

just want to point the gregarious absolutes that Bub is posting in all of a sudden. don't see how this confirms Cowbells as town or kid a as scum. not a scum slip at all really, although i agree that the case is good against kid a. i think the vote hop is something scum would do (and thus agree with cowbells) but trying to portray it as a scumslip looks to me like a bus from Bub.

Trying to figure out this sudden kid A wagon that's formed. So far kid A has opened in RVS with a vote on NTP, then a naked vote to bub, followed by a return to NTP with what looks to be a serious vote based on indecision between the two users making up the hydra. He then criticises NTP for not explaining themselves, explains to me how to read a hydra mindset, then at post 106 changes vote to Levio based on the theory now that NTP will flip town and Levio knows this. Continues the case on Levio with decent logic, then switches to cowbell based on not much input of her own, leans on alabaska for an NTP read, goes back to cowbells to point out their OMGUS and show the difference in how each voted for people (the assumption here is that kid gives an explanation and cowbell doesn't).
From here there is an abusive outburst to alabaska to give his NTP read, moves his vote to NTP before then switching to NTP with the short reason of it giving most information.
He then in single sentence responses pushes NTP, and at one point explains he unvoted alabaska because he went v/la (dies that count as a reason?) before seemingly dodging responses to people who are pushing on him.

Summarised, there are a few concerns about his play, such as the leaving cases he built in favour of an NTP push which has very little case from him or indeed an explanation, and also the leaving of the alabaska vote I don't fully understand the reasoning given.
But beyond that he has been applying pressure and the vote changing up until NTP has always had a strong logic attached to why.

Is the wagon building solely to force him to stop dodging questions or have I missed something more damning on him? Currently im not seeing anything worthy of the speed those votes came in at.

Your defense of Kid A has been noted.

nothing wrong with being objective, bub. it is good to play mafia with an open mind and not think in absolutely. everyone who defends people you vote for is not instantly scum,

especially

when it is done so objectively as generic did it. i'm getting the feeling bub and dcl might be working together to bus Kid A here.

Smudger is still scummy btw, but that catch by cowbells is massive. Kid A reveals that he knows that NTP is town by saying levio expects him to flip, but then he still wants to get onto the hot NTP wagon. That is such a massive scumslip. Cowbells is conf. town. Kid A is conf. scum.

Lynch him now. I will not be happy with any other lynch today.

this is the misreppiest misrep to ever misrep

a suggestion that levio could be mafia expecting ntp to flip town is miles away from "Kid A reveals that he knows that NTP is town by saying levio expects him to flip"

using words like scumslip and conf inappropriately might make you think your case looks really good but it entirely hinges on something you made up :c

wow a quality post from kid a!! i agree with everything said here

i'm sticking with my DCL vote here. we need more people on this. the Om business was really funky. i really like Aldusskel's analysis too; good to have a quality player replacing in. i don't know why people don't think i was pressuring bub, he's been lurking and not really responding to me and in addition no one else is voting him so the pressure has been hard to apply by myself. i like DCL as scum better now, and while i agree with Aldusskel that Kid A's play could be because he is a bad player, and that the wagon on him contains scum, i think it looks more like a bus personally. Also, ald I got that award in 2012 when i briefly came back to the site to play like two games before school prevented me from really rejoining. it was for arrested development mafia, in which i did not play as large a role as the award might indicate due to being v/la for part of endgame.

[Alabaska J]

sorry i was going to clip down some of those quotes but hit submit by accident. please don't be intimidated by the wall

[Alabaska J]

i still would really like an explained read on ntp please

what more do you want? i'll reiterate: i have a slight scum read on him, especially after his recent interaction with generic, but the hydra makes things difficult to analyze. you think we are scumbuddies or something yes? is this still because i voted bub instead of him early on when i had scumreads on both of them? would you have hounded me about bub instead of ntp in lieu of actual contribution had i voted the other? i don't know why you are still going on about this. i highly doubt he will be lynched to day anyway; looks like people want you and i've moved on to supporting DCLXVI for the block (look at his interaction with Om of the Nom and tell me that isn't scum trying to manufacture a case away from the action so as to avoid being on a wagon or avoid joining a wagon on a scumbuddy) so i don't see its relevance. i'd rather not waste time doing an iso on someone who is my fourth (maybe fifth because of yessiree's contentless tripe that makes it look like he's trying his damnedest to fly under the radar and the fact that one of the heads is OMGUSsy and hard to read) scumread right now.

[Alabaska J]

As awesome as a Generic-Om-Ald town voting bloc would be, I can't bring myself to vote NTP at the moment. Generic's case is too much relational tells and "I hate hydras" and Om's case is too much stretching and gut (which sound like unfortunate medical side effects).

NTP just reads too much like a disorganized hydra rather than scum.

I'll do a bit of meta research later and if I don't like what I see I'll probably vote NTP. (I'll mainly be looking for quality of scumhunting in other games.)

(I'd vote Smudger except that I actually sort of like his recent posts. Ugh.)

Do you know me from elsewhere? It's the first time someone had included me in a list with AWESOME attached and it makes me wonder if you know my mafia history.

you said you played on MTGS right?

[Alabaska J]

@Generic: I don't know you from anywhere, I just think you and Om are town and have your heads screwed on reasonably straight.

@Alabaska: DCL's case on Om was really bad. But why is it scummy? Om doesn't strike me as a good target for scum DCL.

i don't think that he thought he was going to successfully lynch him, but here's why he would want his vote not on any of the main wagons (this was when the Kid A wagon was heating up):

if the person being wagoned is his scumbuddy, he wants his vote somewhere else so that he can keep it off the wagon so it has the chance to die down. if a bus seems inevitable, he can always jump on the wagon at some point (probably right as it gains traction)

if the person being wagoned is town, he can stay off of the wagon so as to look more town by saying "hey i never wanted to vote him in the first place"

i don't see a reason to start a case that makes no sense on someone that isn't acting scummy as opposed to examining the growing wagons happening around you, especially when you are also involved in questioning the person who is being wagoned!:

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo
VOTE: notthepopeVOTE:

What information would you get?

Kid A and Om both have questions that need answering.

Who is getting lynched then?

And, @Kid A, you still haven't answered my question. I'm waiting.

@Kid A

stop ignoring me and answer this.

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo
VOTE: notthepopeVOTE:

What information would you get?

throughout all of these posts, as people are paying attention to Kid A, his vote stays on Om of the Nom for absolutely BS reasons, even though he obviously has issue with Kid A as well. His next post after 218, he switches to Kid A (finally) which makes me feel like this is a bus. Now, some might say I'm being hypocritical because I am also involved in questioning Kid A yet i am voting DCL; however, my case on DCL is much stronger than DCL's on Om, which is actually really just stupid, so i don't see the situations as comparable.

Yo Alabaska, 2 things

1) I OMGUS all the time

2) OMGUS is null

OMGUS is context-based for whether or not it is scummy, townie, or null. also, it is, in general, poor play no matter when you do it. i suggest that you stop OMGUSsing. also, voting someone for having a bad case on you is not OMGUSsing, but insulting them and not defending yourself is, and is poor play (and therefore anti-town). i would suggest dropping this habit, since you are self-aware of it.

way to wagon hop and completely drop the whole om thing that never made sense in the first place. can't see myself voting for kid a or anyone else after this

Om remains a scumread. But kid A came first actually:

thank you for helping prove my point

Don't have anything more to say. Kid A is still the lynch for today and no one else has struck me as scummy or towny enough to say anything about.

really? no one?

Vote: NotThePope

I am also open to a DCL or Smudger lynch if either ever get any traction.

Kid A is a stupid lynch because the case on him is way too superficial. It doesn't show why he (as scum) is more likely to coy about his NTP vote. RC's case is better than all the people just sheeping the Kid A wagon but it's still stretched.

I'm going with an NTP vote because they seriously aren't scumhunting, unless you call fruitless bantering with Generic and Kid A scumhunting.

don't see the smudger vote, glad you agree with me about mr. 666. i'm fine with NTP as well although they seem more like a vig target to me due to erratic and poor play. do you not get bus vibes from the Kid A wagon?

Theres no need to scumhunt with Kid A making such a nice case against himself by his "scumhunting", yet you vote us for not scumhunting. l0l

jesus christ. you are such a poor player it makes it

really

hard to tell if you are bad town or bad scum. i'm leaning toward scum here; wouldn't be surprised if this is scum bussing in a really poor manner, seeing how suddenly confident you are in Kid A's alignment. i'm gonna put my vote where it has more use.

unvote,

VOTE: NTP

[Alabaska J]

VOTE: NTP

[Alabaska J]

The NTP wagon is stupid and you should feel bad for being on it.

more clues that bub is scum here, people. i wish there was more support for a lynch of you, i really do.

The Kid A wagon is full of glory and justice and you should feel bad for not being on it

i did a quick meta of you and found that you usually play like this. i would suggest adding content to your posts (you were sort of doing it at the beginning of this game) to avoid getting lynched at the beginning of games. you are being thoroughly anti-town right now. how about listing some reasons that the kid a wagon is better than other wagons and why you are so sure that he is scum? note: if it because of multiple contentless posts and poor answering of questions, you are basically describing yourself, so think about that.

The NTP wagon is stupid and you should feel bad for being on it.

why have you been defending ntp constantly w/ no reasoning

this makes me feel a lot better about not being on the Kid A wagon

The NTP wagon is stupid and you should feel bad for being on it.

why have you been defending ntp constantly w/ no reasoning

Why have you been attacking ntp with no reasoning?

NTP has been scumhunting throughout this entire game. I find the very notion that he is scum to be laughable when he's clearly one of the most pro-town players in the game.

are you even trying?

in other news, that's L-1, so NTP please claim

[Alabaska J]

NTP our intent is to lynch you if you don't comply with claiming. no reason for town to withhold here, so i'm feeling good about my vote

pedit: he didn't, bub is scum

[Alabaska J]

"Our intent"

Oh, I'm sorry, who voted you town delegate? I must have missed it.

I don't claim without intent, and the fact you're attempting to make me do so makes me believe you are Kid A's scumbuddy.

"No Reason for town to withhold" WIFOM and bad and rolefishing

That is all, you scum are baaaaaaaaad

are you going to wait for everyone in the town to post? usually when someone is at L-1 right before deadline, the intent is to lynch them. what else could the intent be? why would a townie not claim here?

[Alabaska J]

NTP our intent is to lynch you if you don't comply with claiming. no reason for town to withhold here, so i'm feeling good about my vote

pedit: he didn't, bub is scum

OK, im on the NTP wagon but im very uncomfortable with this post. You don't talk for everyone, please don't do that again because currently there are only 6 (I think) who do want him lynched and comments like that feel like you are trying to force it through and it gives me concerns of a mislynch.

Add to that your trying to force a claim when I don't think anyone gave intent for the hammer you seem to be trying to rush the process the site generally works to.

how am i forcing anything? are you saying we shouldn't have the person at l-1

two days

before deadline claim? what would you have us do instead? i don't think it is much of a stretch that i am speaking for multiple people here. that is one L-1 means: we are comfortable lynching you, so give us a reason not to. i'm not sure what your interpretation of it is.

[Alabaska J]

*that is what L-1 means

[Alabaska J]

are you going to wait for everyone in the town to post? usually

when someone is at L-1 right before deadline, the intent is to lynch them.

what else could the intent be? why would a townie not claim here?

Kid A also has a significant wagon on him. He could also be easily lynched.

There is nothing wrong with NTP witholding a claim until absolutely necessary. In fact, I find it rather towny, given how close he is to being lynched I would think scum NTP would rather appease town then attempt to piss them off.

he is not at L-1 with someone ready to hammer. in fact, it might be more productive to have them both claim. when exactly is "absolutely necessary"? right before deadline, when it might be too late to make a decision should he claim a pr, and someone might not be around to counter claim, should that be the case? and you really think NTP regardless of alignment would try and appease the town? i don't see his withholding as a scumtell, it fits within his anti-town playstyle for the most part. why wouldn't scum hold out as long as possible with a wagon on kid a? they could get around having to construct a fakeclaim while the town changes their mind.

since we have people worried about what the town wants, lets take a vote: i say they both claim and we make a decision from there. everyone else should weigh in, but keep in mind, it is beneficial for scum to try and stretch this out until we get close to deadline to force us to make a more uninformed decision. time is running out and we need all the information we can get so we can choose who to lynch. i'm not sure what else the town would want here, a nolynch? a hammer without a claim? the game running to deadline? really, all you people against the people at L-1 and L-2 claiming, tell me your brilliant alternative.

[Alabaska J]

Claims should only happen when someone is at L-1 and someone else has definitively declared an intent to hammer.

...so the current situation. also, i agree you want to out as few power roles as possible, i'm not asking for a massclaim or anything. but if we are going to have a stalemate over who should be claim, why not have both claim? do people really think that if we lynch one, the other will not be a lynch target the next day? if we are so split over who to lynch, and you are saying NTP shouldn't claim because of a lesser (but still significant) wagon on kid a, what makes the kid a wagon a better target for a claim? because you are voting him? we are going to have people arguing over which person should claim and which wagon should go to lynch, so why not have them both claim so we don't get locked in a stalemate over who to have claim? if we do make a decision and that person claims a pr, then we either lynched the pr (not preferred) or then have the other person claim, and we have two claims anyway. if one of these guys is a pr, then we are gonna get stuck with two claims regardless.

anyway, you've sided with no claims i believe, so let's wait and hear what others have to say. let me add that your rushed lynch was a mislynch...that should say enough right there. these two wagons have been building for some time, especially NTP who has been a suspect most of the day. i'd be perfectly fine if we could agree to have one of these two people claim only, but i just don't see that happening because i assume the preferences will fall the same way as the votes have already.

[Alabaska J]

So you're voting me because of my Anti-town playstyle? Not because you thinmk I'm scum?

no. not at all. great misrep. i SPECIFICALLY SAID your anti-town playstyle was a nulltell in that post!!!!!

i don't see his withholding as a scumtell, it fits within his anti-town playstyle for the most part.

[Alabaska J]

Wow, chill Ala
DCL is spot on, we don't want people claiming silly nilly to create a clusterfuck where we can't scout scum

yet again, not what i said. read my posts! i want everyone in the town to WEIGH IN on who should claim; it is my personal opinion that both of you should. two misreps in such a short time are making me feel better and better about my vote

[Alabaska J]

weird i saw my own post in the forced preview thingy

[Alabaska J]

My name is Ike and I approve of the previous message.

I think he shouldn't because we are NOT lynching him today. That would be amazingly stupid.

would either of you like to maybe expand upon these statements? both of you have made blanket statements like these without backing them up all game. would love to hear an actual, evidence-based case from either of you. note the two misreps that happened right above.

[Alabaska J]

I definitely don't want NTP alive at lylo. And I definitely don't see what's unlikely about it as a fakeclaim.

It's not like "Bomb" is some super duper pro-town role. We aren't losing much even if he is Town.

agreed. there is not much use for NTP in late game scenarios, and bomb is a perfect scum fakeclaim. policy lynch time.

In the worst case, Bomb claims will be policy lynched much like Bulletproof claims, as claiming Bomb is a convenient way to explain why a player is not being killed at Night.

if you are a bomb, you played it poorly NTP, because your playstyle is one that will attract a vig shot pretty easily, being the worstcase scenario for the town. therefore, i'm not buying the claim, but regardless we need to lynch anyway.

[Alabaska J]

In the worst case, Bomb claims will be policy lynched much like Bulletproof claims, as claiming Bomb is a convenient way to explain why a player is not being killed at Night.

[Alabaska J]

anyone up for lynching bub biddlekins tomorrow?

me for sure, although don't think you are out of the woods yet

[Alabaska J]

i must say, i am a little nervous that two of my larger scumreads (666 & bub) are defending NTP this late into the day...

[Alabaska J]

And how does that nervousness affect your reads.

i'm caught in some WIFOM about that right now. i need to think some more.

[Alabaska J]

So you call him out for calling out an FoS in RVS? You said it yourself, people do silly things during RVS. Most of Bub's posting HAS looked like jokes. Not buddying.

On that note, I want to get a wagon going

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Lets see where this one takes us

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF way too many caps man.

on that note,

FoS: DCLXVI

Vote: Alabaska J

The FoS is completely unsubstantiated and useless.

First post during RVS stage, looks to me like a sarcastic response.

I'm attacking them for making a silly FOS, not because it was on you.

"Silly" again, makes it sound joking. Attacking him over a "silly FoS" doesn't sound like a joke to anyone else, especially during RVS? I'm standing by that point, looks to me like a joke.

Then again, people here are sooooo serious it gets boring after a while.

Wheeeeeeee Radiant just OMGUS'd us tooo yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

How can you say in your right mind those are serious posts whatsoever, especially given the time period they were posted

Generic you did the vote method wrong js

Also if you've seen me play you know I'm mucho de paranoia

Weak townread on absta thus far, flip side for radiant.

these are the only times NTP mentions Bub at all on day one: a defense of his clearly-not-a-joke vote on me over the confusion of whether or not my FoS was real. also, note the distancing of Cowbells thrown in for good measure. he avoids talking about bub for the rest of the day, most likely to prevent links between him and his partner being seen, since bub defends him wholeheartedly you'd think he'd at least throw out a post his way at some point

Cowbells, NTP DID want people to vote Kid A. i don't think both of Kid A and NTP are scum, and since NTP was, i'm leaning more toward poor town play by Kid A. he especially seemed townier to my gut when he was on the chopping block.

VOTE: Bub Budderskins,

FoS: Radiant Cowebells

[Alabaska J]

I don't think scum Bub would defend NTP

that

wholeheartedly, even after the intent to hammer,

and

after the hammer he still questioned the hammer vote by Smudger. There was a very good chance NTP was going to be lynched, which he was. Doing what Bub did was literally throwing himself out on the spotlight for a lynch on day 2 if NTP flipped scum.

Why ignore the possibility of misplay/misread on a town's part?

is he? why wouldn't people make the same argument you are making? i would think that what he did is a legitimate strategy for scum, and it doesn't change my opinion. your argument accounts to mostly WIFOM.

[Alabaska J]

It's interesting you say that because I didn't intend to bring WIFOM up. What Bub did looked like a town defending his townread, more so than, a scum trying to salvage his partner. Are you saying town players don't make the same mistakes Bub makes?

p-edit: we'll have to see what Bub have to say

i'm saying that i would expect that play from both town and scum, so it comes up to me as null. i don't see how you can say it goes either way. generic says it well:

pp: @ generic: Bub did attack Smudger's hammer vote, in #497, and #499, would a scum player, knowing that his partner just got lynched, still uphold that defiance of an attitude?

But that's my point yessiree.

Say it was me defending NTP so aggressively. Suddenly he is hammered and I stop dead all my defensive comments. NTP flips scum, what do you make of my reaction?
Good scum should know not to drop something just because they know the outcome, that's waaaay too obvious.

great way of phrasing my thoughts exactly.

For me bub you are still a suspect due to suddenly just naming town players in your opinion. That feels like mafia trying not to press any opinions too hard right now.

again, i agree with this. i feel like generic is definitely town, seeing as he was also NTP's biggest target yesterday and it was over a dislike of hydrae as opposed to anything substantial.

However, that "my reads are shit" post bothers me, especially with little additional commentary.

speaking of reads, can we have your reads on everybody? you are the biggest wildcard here (i like that phrase whoever said it)

[Alabaska J]

i should say NTP's biggest target until the kid a lynch

[Alabaska J]

I would like to point out how much of a wildcard TMT is. Only person not voting Kid A or NTP at the end of the day, not to mention he's been lurking pretty hard.

What's the textbook definition of "wildcard"

well, although i'm not the person being asked directly, since i say you fit the definition, i'll give my opinion on the term and Alduskkel can give his, and you can decide whether you fit the definition or not.

in my mind, a wildcard is someone whose actions can be seen as either town or scum even on an objective level. note that this is different than a nullread, because that is a

subjective

judgment made by someone. people that fall into this category are those who do any combination of the following things: lurk heavily throughout major points in a game, have a decidedly anti-town playstyle, have a decidedly naive playstyle, have an erratic playstyle, consistently flip-flop on views early and often throughout days in a way that seems genuine. i would say that you are a wildcard for the first reason, NTP was (until the end of the day when he caved obviously enough under pressure) a wildcard for the second reason, Kid A is a wildcard as well for the second reason, and Mutleyddmc is a wildcard for the fourth reason. i think Kid A is most likely town for interactionary reasons, however.

[Alabaska J]

in addition, because of your lurking you were on neither wagon at the end of the day, giving us even less info on you.

[Alabaska J]

@smudger: potato potato

[Alabaska J]

just realized that doesn't translate well to a message board lol but hopefully you get what i mean

[Alabaska J]

The only defense I have is pure WIFOM:

Why would I, as scum, defend NTP so hard for so long? Wouldn't that be flagrant?

Of course, that's pure WIFOM, lynch me if you will.

that is literally exactly what we were just arguing over.

also, is it just me, or is yessiree committing the most obvious bus of all time?

[Alabaska J]

yessiree and kid a are the exact same player. this is hilarious.

[Alabaska J]

Spoiler:

Let's get this day moving.

VOTE: NotThePope

And how exactly does this vote get the day moving along? Yes, bandwagons can move the day along, but not just because they exist. You simply jumped onto the bandwagon and did nothing to actually get the game moving. Furthermore, the whole bandwagon on notthepope is stupid because he's most likely town.

@Bud

Furthermore, the whole bandwagon on notthepope is stupid because he's most likely town.

What makes you say that?

He's trying to get discussion moving and is scumhunting. By far the towniest player in the game right now.

just gotta look at how the two heads play and respond to each other and figure out if they have town or mafia motivation

Personally I don't think it made sense for them to vote wrestle when they weren't in danger of lynching someone and I also don't like how one of them keeps townreading everyone who pushes on them

I actually can't say anything negative about this, He points out something that's genuinely scummy on his scumread.

i disagree with the people above me levio just told us they were voting the largest wagon over their scumread because ntp hasnt omgused absta

imo this is an attempt to look town because levio expects ntp to flip town and they dont want to look like they pushed a mislynch

VOTE: levio

This is where things REALLY get interesting.

Kid A's vote is on NTP because he thinks he's scum, right? Now, there's "levio expects ntp to flip town"

This is huge.

Unvote; Vote: Kid A

Smudger is still scummy btw, but that catch by cowbells is massive. Kid A reveals that he knows that NTP is town by saying levio expects him to flip, but then he still wants to get onto the hot NTP wagon. That is such a massive scumslip. Cowbells is conf. town. Kid A is conf. scum.

Lynch him now. I will not be happy with any other lynch today.

here are some gems i dug up from day one bub iso. look how quick he is to call Cowbells conf. town. the post against her on her vote of NTP is his last mention of her beforehand. he also is quick to call NTP town with little evidence in his favor (he never cites what causes him to think NTP was scumhunting, he just says it)

Bub, i'd like you to go back to your day 1 self and quote a couple early NTP posts that you found townie.

Fixed the spoiler tag ~N

[Alabaska J]

hmmm my spoiler tag attempt failed horribly. this is what i get for forgetting to preview for once

[Alabaska J]

Vote Count 2.03

yessiree

( 1 ) Kid A

Generic

( 0 )

Mutleyddmc

( 0 )

Kid A

( 0 )

Bub Bidderskins

( 4 ) Om of the Nom , Alabaska J , yessiree , RadiantCowbells

Alabaska J

( 0 )

TMTOLBTWNTOF

( 0 )

Smudger

( 0 )

RadiantCowbells

( 2 ) Mutleyddmc , Bub Bidderskins

Alduskkel

( 0 )

Om of the Nom

( 0 )

Not voting:

TMTOLBTWNTOF , Alduskkel , Smudger , Generic

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-07-24 09:12:40)

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wow! bub was sitting at L-1 that long before generic's unvote??? someone totally could have gotten away with a hammer. now THAT is interesting

[Alabaska J]

No, he has been at L-2 for a bit though. I unvoted before cowbells put him back at L-2

that's not true

[Alabaska J]

Kid A is seemingly an antagonistic little fucker, but his play has been pro town so I think cowbells is just tunnelling out of pride more than anything else.

cowbells is voting Bub now, not Kid A

yes but cowbells tunneled kid a yesterday. remember?

[Alabaska J]

Honestly, Bub+Kid A+NTP makes a ton of sense.

can you back this up with evidence instead of making blanket statements please?

[Alabaska J]

Furthermore, I read a lot of the case against NTP as simply confusion over the hydra. Of course, I was wrong.

this was only true from generic. not anyone else, i believe.

[Alabaska J]

I have nothing to really say right now except lynch Bub please.

who is your number 2 scumread?

[Alabaska J]

well. this is unfortunate.

[Alabaska J]

not allowed to link ongoing games yessiree

that game was

ongoing?!?!?

well, hope we don't get a modkill in addition to the lynch...

[Alabaska J]

well... fuck

lemme make a post before you Modkill me plz

its not guaranteed; but i've seen it happen before. he might just delete it and give you a warning since it doesn't really have an affect on either game