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Post Post #4750 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:27 am

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One-Hundred-Fifteenth Votecount
:
(Forty-Eighth Votecount of Day Three,
AKA, the "Day of deadline activity is through the roof!" votecount.
)


Bulbazak - 7 (Human Destroyer, Seanald, ThAdmiral, ArcAngel9, Bacde, CrashTextDummie, Desperado)

Slandaar - 7 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, Rena, Amethst Kitty, Nero Cain, Cephrir, Kublai Khan)

Rena - 2 (Slandaar, ffullisade)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)

All votes are in play.

With
18
alive, it's
10
to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,
Bubazak
would be lynched.

Rena is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
The Malakittens half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until July 15th.
PeregrineV is V/LA until July 11th.
Human Destroyer is V/LA until Sunday, July 11th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.


Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
Bulbazak - 7 (Human Destroyer, Seanald, ThAdmiral, ArcAngel9, Bacde, CrashTextDummie, Desperado)
Slandaar - 7 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, Rena, Amethyst Kitty, Nero Cain, Cephrir,
Kublai Khan
)
Rena - 2 (Slandaar, ffullisade)
Nero Cain - 0 (
Kublai Khan
)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Last votecount was page 190, post 4743.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D3
CrashTextDummie: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Bulbazak
Cephrir: Rena->ThAdmiral->penguin_alien->Amethyst Kitty->Seanald->Nero Cain->Seanald->Rena->Slandaar
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Seanald->PeregrineV
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Seanald->Slandaar
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8->Bulbazak->Slandaar
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Nero Cain->Nachomamma8->Bulbazak
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Nero Cain->Seanald->Unvote->Nero Cain->Unvote->Slandaar
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Nero Cain->Seanald->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak
penguin_alien: ThAdmiral->Unvote->ThAdmiral->PeregrineV->Seanald->Nero Cain->Seanald
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral->Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Seanald->Rena
Seanald: Rena->Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote
ThAdmiral: Nachomamma8->Seanald->Bulbazak
Rena: Bacde->Unvote->Slandaar
Kublai Khan: Bacde->Amethyst Kitty->Nero Cain->Slandaar
Amethyst Kitty: Seanald->Kublai Khan->Desperado->Kublai Khan->Slandaar
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Nero Cain->Unvote->Rena
Human Destroyer: Rena->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak
ArcAngel9: Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Desperado->Seanald->Bulbazak


Spoiler: Votecount History D3
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,
Nachomamma8
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,
Nero Cain
votes
Rena
in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Nero Cain
in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,
Kublai Khan
votes
Bacde
in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,
Slandaar
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,
Desperado
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,
Bubazak
votes
ffullisade
in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,
ArcAngel9
votes
Cephrir
in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,
ffullisade
votes
Rena
in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,
Seanald
votes
Rena
in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,
Desperado
votes
Rena
in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,
Bacde
votes
Rena
in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,
Slandaar
votes
Rena
in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,
Bulbazak
unvotes
ffullisade
and votes
Bacde
in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,
ffullisade
unvotes
Rena
in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,
Bacde
unvotes
Rena
and votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,
Nachomamma8
votes
PeregrineV
in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Slandaar
in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,
Nero Cain
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,
Slandaar
votes
Desperado
in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,
Human Destroyer
votes
Rena
in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,
Bacde
unvotes
Nachomamma8
in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,
Desperado
unvotes
Rena
and votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,
Bacde
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,
Slandaar
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3678.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 06:50a,
Cephrir
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3711.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 10:31p,
Seanald
unvotes
Rena
and votes
Cephrir
in post 3730.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:17p,
Bacde
votes
Seanald
in post 3731.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:59p,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Seanald
in post 3732.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 00:18a,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Kublai Khan
in post 3733.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 01:07p,
penguin_alien
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3740.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:07p,
Human Destroyer
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3745.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:18p,
Nachomamma8
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3746.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 05:10p,
CrashTextDummie
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3752.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:05p,
Nachomamma8
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
Nero Cain
in post 3759.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:28p,
Desperado
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
Nero Cain
in post 3760.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:02a,
Kublai Khan
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3769.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:50a,
Slandaar
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3771.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 07:28a,
Cephrir
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
penguin_alien
in post 3772.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:29a,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3774.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:53a,
Desperado
unvotes
Nero Cain
and votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3777.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 11:03a,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Desperado
in post 3792.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:54p,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Kublai Khan
in post 3821.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:59p,
Bulbazak
unvotes
Bacde
and votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3822.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 08:37a,
penguin_alien
unvotes
ThAdmiral
in post 3857.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 11:53a,
PeregrineV
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3869.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 02:24p,
Cephrir
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3885.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 06:39p,
ThAdmiral
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3900.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 11:04a,
ArcAngel9
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3921.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:05p,
Seanald
unvotes
Cephrir
and votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3950.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:28p,
penguin_alien
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3962.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:42p,
ffullisade
unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3966.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:50p,
Bulbazak
unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3967.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 02:52p,
Bulbazak
votes
Nero Cain
in post 3977.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 04:04p,
ffullisade
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3979.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 05:24p,
CrashTextDummie
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
Nero Cain
in post 3989.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 07:29p,
Desperado
unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
and votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3991.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 03:29a,
ArcAngel9
unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
and votes
Desperado
in post 4015.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 04:56a,
Slandaar
votes
PeregrineV
in post 4016.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 10:05a,
penguin_alien
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
PeregrineV
in post 4017.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 11:22p,
Desperado
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
Seanald
in post 4038.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 01:23p,
PeregrineV
votes
Seanald
in post 4056.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 02:14p,
Seanald
unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 4059.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 03:45a,
Slandaar
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 4066.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 08:24a,
ArcAngel9
votes
Seanald
in post 4070.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 01:41p,
Bulbazak
unvotes
Nero Cain
and votes
Seanald
in post 4081.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 02:02p,
Cephrir
unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
and votes
Seanald
in post 4083.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 02:38a,
ThAdmiral
votes
Seanald
in post 4087.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 07:02a,
Slandaar
votes
Seanald
in post 4088.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 11:52a,
penguin_alien
unvotes
PeregrineV
and votes
Seanald
in post 4091.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:08p,
Bulbazak
unvotes
Seanald
in post 4104.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:20p,
Desperado
unvotes
Seanald
in post 4106.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:17a,
Slandaar
votes
Rena
in post 4126.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 10:33a,
Desperado
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 4133.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 02:41p,
Bade
unvotes
Nachomamma8
in post 4153.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:19p,
Desperado
unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
and votes
Nero Cain
in post 4170.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:27p,
Bacde
votes
Nero Cain
in post 4171.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:28p,
ffullisade
votes
Nero Cain
in post 4172.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 06:01p,
Cephrir
votes
Nero Cain
in post 4198.
On Thu, Jun 6/27/13 @ 07:17a,
Nero Cain
votes
Bulbazak
in post 4231.
On Thu, Jun 6/27/13 @ 05:13p,
Rena
unvotes
Bacde
in post 4298.
On Fri, Jun 6/28/13 @ 01:13p,
ffullisade
unvotes
Nero Cain
in post 4333.
On Fri, Jun 6/28/13 @ 02:07p,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 4346.
On Fri, Jun 6/28/13 @ 04:35p,
Desperado
unvotes
Nero Cain
and votes
Seanald
in post 4374.
On Sat, Jun 6/29/13 @ 09:29a,
Kublai Khan
votes
Nero Cain
in post 4398.
On Sat, Jun 6/29/13 @ 11:46a,
penguin_alien
unvotes
Seanald
and votes
Nero Cain
in post 4402.
On Sun, Jun 6/30/13 @ 12:16p,
Human Destroyer
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
Bulbazak
in post 4409.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 00:13a,
Bulbazak
votes
Nero Cain
in post 4442.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 09:14a,
Nachomamma8
unvotes
Nero Cain
and votes
Seanald
in post 4451.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 09:59a,
Nachomamma8
votes
PeregrineV
in post 4458.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 10:05a,
penguin_alien
votes
Seanald
in post 4461.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 10:19a,
Cephrir
unvotes
Nero Cain
and votes
Seanald
in post 4464.
On Tue, Jul 7/02/13 @ 08:34p,
Seanald
votes
Bulbazak
in post 4542.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 05:52a,
ThAdmiral
votes
Bulbazak
in post 4558.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 03:50p,
ArcAngel9
votes
Bulbazak
in post 4574.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 06:53p,
ffullisade
votes
Rena
in post 4599.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 05:58p,
Cephrir
votes
Rena
in post 4601.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 11:48p,
PeregrineV
votes
Slandaar
in post 4623.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 00:42a,
Bulbazak
unvotes
Nero Cain
in post 4627.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 09:39a,
Desperado
unvotes
Seanald
and votes
ThAdmiral
in post 4639.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 11:42a,
Bulbazak
votes
Slandaar
in post 4646.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 03:42p,
Rena
votes
Slandaar
in post 4669.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 03:43p,
Bacde
votes
Bulbazak
in post 4670.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 02:39a,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Slandaar
in post 4689.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 04:18a,
CrashTextDummie
unvotes
Nero Cain
and votes
Bulbazak
in post 4691.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 08:02a,
Nero Cain
votes
Slandaar
in post 4696.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 08:30a,
Cephrir
votes
Slandaar
in post 4702.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 08:40a,
Desperado
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
Bulbazak
in post 4704.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 01:10p,
Kublai Khan
votes
Slandaar
in post 4745.
Last edited by mastin2 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post Post #4751 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:29 am

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<<< Two hours remain until the deadline for the day; if you have something to say, you don't want to be late. >>>

Bulbazak is still the lynch candidate.
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Post Post #4752 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:30 am

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In post 4748, Bulbazak wrote:See, I was a little confused here. You seem to be saying that I haven't considered non-mirrored teams in my speculation, but then go on to call non-mirrored teams unbalanced (Well, "incredibly tricky to balance", but when talking about setup spec, it's essentially the same thing.), which seems to support my original supposition. Am I missing something here, and if so, can you expand on this point?
"tricky to balance" does not mean the same thing as "unbalanced, therefore disregard". That's where your problem lies.
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Post Post #4753 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:30 am

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Oi, Desperado. Move your vote. Slandaar is scummier than Bulbazak.
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Post Post #4754 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:32 am

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I really don't think he is.

Why do you think he's staying on Rena vs. putting Bulb to L1?
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Post Post #4755 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:33 am

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guys rena is scum like for realz
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Post Post #4756 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:34 am

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Yeah and that isn't happening in the next two hours mollie, so what about slandaar/bulb?
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Post Post #4757 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:38 am

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town is ctd, desperado, penguin, seanalderina, arc mebbe nacho mebbe nero

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Post Post #4758 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:39 am

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In post 4755, ffullisade wrote:guys rena is scum like for realz
She is, but tragically, many of our players are thinking to the eleventh commandment: Thou shalt not lynch a claimed power role, no matter what, ever.
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Post Post #4759 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:43 am

Post by Bulbazak »

In post 4749, Desperado wrote: There's no reason to assume both hypothetical scum teams should get one member each in a neighborhood other than you think it would be balanced, despite several players telling you that there are other ways to balance a game besides "total equality in everything."
So in a game where we need to make connections to find scum, you're refusing to make connections? Balanced neighborhoods make sense from a setup point of view, and a scum flip from Slandaar would help bolster your Seanald case. If you don't think this is the case, then you need to explain why.
In post 4754, Desperado wrote: Why do you think he's staying on Rena vs. putting Bulb to L1?
Because 1.) He'd be putting me at L-2, not L-1, and 2.) he knows that I'll flip town, and he doesn't want to be a part of the wagon and experience the backlash tomorrow.

You still need to answer this:
In post 4723, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4705, Desperado wrote: Bulb v Slandaar is looks way more like Bulb v Molla than anything in NY 163.
How so?
Also, while your at it, give me the full Bulb-scum case.
In post 4752, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 4748, Bulbazak wrote:See, I was a little confused here. You seem to be saying that I haven't considered non-mirrored teams in my speculation, but then go on to call non-mirrored teams unbalanced (Well, "incredibly tricky to balance", but when talking about setup spec, it's essentially the same thing.), which seems to support my original supposition. Am I missing something here, and if so, can you expand on this point?
"tricky to balance" does not mean the same thing as "unbalanced, therefore disregard". That's where your problem lies.
Ok, what do you think we are likely looking at?
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Post Post #4760 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:46 am

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my mentor once got a cop[ed town on a player. he trusted his own read over the cop read and the player flipped godfather. wish I could do shit like that.

play has to support claimed role and rena's doesn't. can we plz lynch her in the next day round?

the thing with slaandy is if he is scum then I literally do not know what to think. he has been the single player who's line of thought resembles my own <--- that is why I am town reading him. bulba is a strong town read to fery so that is our predicament.
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Post Post #4761 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:47 am

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hey bulba why don't you give a final list of your reads
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Post Post #4762 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:52 am

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In post 4760, ffullisade wrote:my mentor once got a cop[ed town on a player. he trusted his own read over the cop read and the player flipped godfather. wish I could do shit like that.

play has to support claimed role and rena's doesn't. can we plz lynch her in the next day round?

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I've never played a watcher role. I can count on one hand how many time's I've played town power role. I'm just winging it because I don't know proper watcher play.
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Post Post #4763 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:53 am

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In post 4759, Bulbazak wrote:So in a game where we need to make connections to find scum, you're refusing to make connections? Balanced neighborhoods make sense from a setup point of view, and a scum flip from Slandaar would help bolster your Seanald case. If you don't think this is the case, then you need to explain why.
You can't be serious with this. 50% of my Seanald case is his connections to the flipped bluescum--you know, the people we know for sure were scum. The "connections" that you are trying to find in the neighborhoods aren't based on anything except your personal opinion of what would make the neighborhoods balanced in the context of the setup that you shouldn't know anything about other than your role. Making determinations on what would be "balanced" in the neighborhoods isn't coming from a town mindset at all.
Because 1.) He'd be putting me at L-2, not L-1, and 2.) he knows that I'll flip town, and he doesn't want to be a part of the wagon and experience the backlash tomorrow.
Why would he get backlash for putting a vote on his direct counterwagon?

Your push on Metal actually made sense. Your pushes on Molla and now Slandaar...don't.

The full Bulb case is that your approach to this game has been to comb everyone's posts for scumslips, antagonize whoever you find into a quote war, and then pass that off as legitimate scumhunting. It's manufactured. Reading that game with Molla felt like having an out-of-body experience.

And I'm not interested in lynching Slandaar.
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Post Post #4764 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:04 am

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In post 4762, Rena wrote:
In post 4760, ffullisade wrote:my mentor once got a cop[ed town on a player. he trusted his own read over the cop read and the player flipped godfather. wish I could do shit like that.

play has to support claimed role and rena's doesn't. can we plz lynch her in the next day round?

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I've never played a watcher role. I can count on one hand how many time's I've played town power role. I'm just winging it because I don't know proper watcher play.
in thread you play the same as vt if you are already outed. you are not doing 1 thing to scumhunt nor are you acting like a special who is going to be nked. you are skating and the only reason people are giving you slack is cos of your claim.
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Post Post #4765 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:05 am

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Note: List is from towniest to scummiest

Town

Rena
CrashTextDummy
PeregrineV
Nachomamma8
Cephrir
Kublai Khan
Desperado
ThAdmiral (Note: Town-PR, but not pro-town)

Null

Amethyst Kitty (Probably town, but I've stopped caring at this point.)
Bacde (Keep flip flopping on him.)
Human Destroyer (Been awhile. I need to review him again. Truest null on the list.)
ArcAngel9 (Keep flip flopping on her, but then again, I have a hard time reading her and understanding her motivations. Don't let her get to endgame.)
Penguin_alien (There were a few things that made me think scum, but, with the exception of her soft defense of Thez, I forget what they were. I need to review her again. Definitely not a strong scum read.)

Scum

Ffullisade
Nero Cain
Seanald
Slandaar

If things don't reverse, I'll post some more final thoughts in a bit.
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Post Post #4766 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:10 am

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why on earth is rena your top town read holy shit
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Post Post #4767 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:16 am

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In post 4760, ffullisade wrote:my mentor once got a cop[ed town on a player. he trusted his own read over the cop read and the player flipped godfather. wish I could do shit like that.

play has to support claimed role and rena's doesn't. can we plz lynch her in the next day round?

the thing with slaandy is if he is scum then I literally do not know what to think. he has been the single player who's line of thought resembles my own <--- that is why I am town reading him.
bulba is a strong town read to fery so that is our predicament
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I wouldn't call it a strong town read, but I'm not happy about either him or slaandar being lynched today.
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Post Post #4768 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:24 am

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In post 4763, Desperado wrote: You can't be serious with this. 50% of my Seanald case is his connections to the flipped bluescum--you know, the people we know for sure were scum. The "connections" that you are trying to find in the neighborhoods aren't based on anything except your personal opinion of what would make the neighborhoods balanced in the context of the setup that you shouldn't know anything about other than your role. Making determinations on what would be "balanced" in the neighborhoods isn't coming from a town mindset at all.
How is it not coming from a town mindset? I'm looking at 3 neighborhoods, saying that 1 is likely town-town, and the other 2 town-scum, albeit from different teams. ThAd's vig. claim adds another layer to this by suggesting that the town's killing role is in a neighborhood too, making his nieghborhood the likely town-town one. If I'm right about this, that would actually make scum easier to find after a flip, not harder, and I'm clearing more players than accusing. Yet you are calling such behavior scummy, even though it flies in the face of the scum's win condition. So explain, why is it scummy to want to make finding scum easier, rather than harder?
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Because 1.) He'd be putting me at L-2, not L-1, and 2.) he knows that I'll flip town, and he doesn't want to be a part of the wagon and experience the backlash tomorrow.
Why would he get backlash for putting a vote on his direct counterwagon?
Because doing so would be opportunistic, which would be noticed after my flip. Scum doesn't want to be noticed, and him voting for his counterwagon, simply because it is his counterwagon, would give him too much attention.
In post 4763, Desperado wrote: Your push on Metal actually made sense. Your pushes on Molla and now Slandaar...don't.
Actually, my push on MO was probably more nitpicky than my case here, and it was wrong. Why don't you think my case on Slandaar makes sense?
In post 4763, Desperado wrote: The full Bulb case is that your approach to this game has been to comb everyone's posts for scumslips
It's funny that you think I am "combing" the game, especially when I've had a hard time remembering some of the smaller details and think of the game in large strokes.
In post 4763, Desperado wrote: antagonize whoever you find into a quote war
The only ones I have gotten in quote wars with were scumreads. It creates discussion, which I use to bolster my reads.
In post 4763, Desperado wrote: and then pass that off as legitimate scumhunting.


That's how I scumhunt. Deal with it. Are you sure you're not mistaking a playstyle clash for scum play?

P-edit: She claimed a town PR, and it lines up with my read on her.
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Post Post #4769 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:28 am

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ignore the special claim

how is she town
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Post Post #4770 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:32 am

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I liked her posts d1 and d2. Granted, it's probably more of a gut read, but I feel rather strongly about it. I'm really not seeing scum intent. Plus, whenever I ask anybody to explain the case on her, they refuse to do so.
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Post Post #4771 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:42 am

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she is skating

that is a huge case

she is not acting like she thinks she will be nked (as in handing out last minute thoughts, reads, etc). as an outed special she should be worried and she isn't.

that is another huge case

also we just beetlejuiced her into the thread

HUGE

^ those are actual legitimate objective scumtells which is better than anything you have come up with this entire game.

so your assertion that "everyone" is "refusing" to explain the case on her is a misrep. cos I just did it. I did it before and I am doing it again.

why are you ignoring this?
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Post Post #4772 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:47 am

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She was V/LA for the longest time, which accounts for most of that, plus, given her breadcrumbs, I actually think her claim is legitimate. At least you took the time to state your case. The only previous case I had heard of was Cephrir's, which was composed of Fuzzy's pre-game posts, which were taken out of context. Regardless, I don't think you're going to get that lynch today, but if it makes you feel any better, I'll look through her ISO during the night phase if I survive.
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Post Post #4773 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:56 am

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The fact that neither of these are reaching full majority bugs me.

@Mastin- I hate deadline lynches. Just so you know.
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<<< Would you rather have a failure to reach majority result in a no-lynch today? How 'bout day one? This game's long enough as it is already, no-lynching would make it go on for even longer. :P Plus...If you couldn't tell...I hate deadline no-lynches, just so you know. :P >>>


@Slandaar-I searched your Iso for "Crash" and "CTD" and QT, just to see if you mentioned anything regarding it.
You didn't, except to say Crash is town a few times.

Since I don't know why you feel this way, it's either real, or artificial.

Since your cases on other players seem artificial, this townread is looking the same way too. How is it not "worth" your time to explain why your neighbor is town?

Requesting ThAd, ArcAngel, Bacde or Desp moves their vote to Slandaar.
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Post Post #4774 (ISO) » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:02 am

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oh hell no
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