Mini #406, Animaniacs! Water Tower Explosion! [Over]

[VitaminR]

Vote: JDodge

I have no idea why.

[VitaminR]

I'll go with that. Not random voting = no discussion.

Unvote: JDodge,
Vote: Foolster41

[VitaminR]

How is chamber saying that he is not going to participate much that scummy?

It's useless and it doesn't make much sense, but I don't see why it is particularly suspicious.

I'm sticking to my Foolster vote for now.

[VitaminR]

From what I've seen of chamber, he has an unusual playing style. Also, I doubt scum would just announce their intention to lurk if it was a significant decision.

[VitaminR]

Yes.

[VitaminR]

VitimanR: That's pure WIFOM by the way. Not perticipating (without a good reason) is scummy.

And you're voting me because I'm opposed to random voting? I understand an FOS maybe (as other have done), but 1.) I think that's rather extreme 2.)It is obvious I'm, doing my best to participate in exchange for not random voting. 3.)I believe said it was more a personal taste (and never said that people should right not ohmygosh stop random voting

vote: chamber

I vote whoever I think is most likely to be scum. That doesn't mean it is much more significant than a FOS.

2 is a good point. Actually, what bothers me about not random voting is how the player avoids the spotlight with it. The rest of your posts don't really match that, so I think I'll unvote.

Unvote: Foolster41

[VitaminR]

Vote: Sailor Jerry

I disagree with your point about Blake Judge, I doubt he would have drawn attention to his MO if he were scum in both cases.

Good point on Sailor Jerry, though.

[VitaminR]

Is this an accurate account of what just happened?

A superficial look at the wording of 1, 2, 3, and 5 should be enough to tell you that it is not. In any case, it is a wonderfully biased account of events.

(1) Blake Judge doesn't really do anything at all.
(2) Thesp attempts to start a bandwagon because of the apparent 'scumminess' of (1).
(3) Thesp attempts to goad me into jumping onto the bandwagon.
(4) I admit I don't really get why he's voting Blake Judge.
(5) Thesp fingers me for not jumping on a bandwagon that I really don't think has a base.

I like my vote.

[VitaminR]

Why? I'm not saying that you lurk all the time.

I'm just pointing out that you've avoided this thread completely since the spotlight went on you, despite the fact that you've been online a lot. And I think that's pretty scummy.

Eh? The last vote for Foolster was at the top of page 2. Look at page 2 and 3. There is basically a post of Foolster's in every 3 or 4 posts. If he's avoided the thread at all, it was when the spotlight was off him, in the last couple of days when there hasn't been much to discuss.

[VitaminR]

That Sailor Jerry wagon was awesome.

*hi-fives Thesp*

[VitaminR]

Yeah, that one is pretty obvious too.

Vote: Blake Judge

[VitaminR]

Unvote: Blake Judge

I think that is prudent at this point. Let's slow down and have a look at yesterday's Sailor Jerry wagon.

[VitaminR]

I don't think mole or Blake Judge are scum.

Re-reading brought me very little, except for the gut feeling that Fuldu is scum. (which I have fairly often for some reason, sorry Fuldu).

It's this post:

Okay, so now chamber and Foolster lurking is scummy, but Blake Judge lurking isn't.

Please explain why I shouldn't vote for you.

Blake Judge, I think this is the best summary of why the bandwagon on Jerry makes sense. I was okay with his behavior when it was just about you, but once he explained that his vote on Foolster was in consequence of what he viewed as scummy lurking, then the level of inconsistency became scummy.

unvote: chamber; vote: Sailor Jerry

It's just so absolute. No qualms about putting on a fifth vote that early at all. Thesp's sixth vote and Fritzler's hammer are more understandable to me, and how Sailor Jerry went from 3 to 6 so quickly was strange. I wouldn't be surprised if there was scum in there.

I don't really have anything more substantial at this point and I don't really want to base a vote on this.

Mod Edit: Quote tags fixed.

[VitaminR]

Mod Edit: Quote tags fixed.

Thanks, PJ!

I'm sorry, you're going to need to explain that a little better. Putting on the fifth vote was scummy, but putting on the sixth and last votes wasn't?

Not from a behavioural point of view, no. I'd expect Fritzler to hammer in that situation. Thesp already built his case against SJ when there was no vote on SJ. Although I could see Thesp tying a scum buddy to a townie and pushing the townie, but I'd need a bit more evidence to assume that one.

[VitaminR]

Vote: Fuldu

then, since this game is not moving.

[VitaminR]

VR: May I ask why the vote? His answer to Thesp (first post on this page) I thought was reasonable. The same for his question, Though I agree pretty much with your answer to it. Is it something else? please elaberate.

Nope, it is just for the reasons given earlier.

[VitaminR]

Fritz, are you claiming information?

[VitaminR]

unvote, vote: chamber

guess who caught scum?

Please explain. Do you mean, "I'm a cop, I got a guilty investigation", or "THAT GUYS SUSPICIOUS."

definitely the latter

Why do you think he's scum?

[VitaminR]

VitaminR: From what I've seen of chamber, he has an unusual playing style. Also, I doubt scum would just announce their intention to lurk if it was a significant decision.
JDodge: So if someone admits to doing something, they're automatically cleared of being a suspect?
Vitamin R: Yes.

The last comment was a joke. I should have made that clear!

I thought JDodge was misrepresenting my logic so I responded with a joke.

I just think that the advantage in lurking for scum lies in slipping under the radar. If you announce your intention to lurk, the advantage is lost. You're actually making it more difficult for yourself.

As for my Fuldu vote, I do feel we're still in a Day 1 phase, basically. It's primarily gut.

Hope that clears things up!

[VitaminR]

Erm... no...

[VitaminR]

As for my Fuldu vote, I do feel we're still in a Day 1 phase, basically. It's primarily gut.

... So wait, Sailor Jerry managed to get lynched Day 1 on "gut"?

Right, I get what you mean now.

No, but I do think 'gut' votes are justified at this point. SJ got lynched so quickly that we don't have that much info, really.

I do think these are the scum:

chamber - too lurkish for his normal lurkish self + I trust Fritz's judgement.
Thesp - metagame reasons mostly, when he's town he goes out of his way to ask questions, test theories and clear people. As scum he just pursues people ardently. I think the latter is happening in this game.
Fuldu - for reasons already given.

But I don't really have enough evidence.

[VitaminR]

SJ got lynched so quickly that we don't have that much info, really.

Really? I think it gave us plenty.

FOS: VitaminR.

Why does that make me suspicious?

It hasn't stopped me voting or explaining my actions. I've mostly used it to undermine my own vote.

[VitaminR]

I think 'yes' would do.

[VitaminR]

The thing about Fritz is that I've never actually seen him come out with a first vote on someone. He always chooses a bandwagon.

That's why it stood out for me.

[VitaminR]

And, frankly, that's the most suspicious thing I see going on right now. As the object of VitaminR's suspicion, it's hard to disengage such concerns entirely from the notion of OMGUS, but really. a) VitaminR has repeatedly suggested that we didn't get any useful information from yesterday's lynch.

How is it OMGUS, exactly?

You didn't vote me, nor have you expressed suspicion of me.

b) VitaminR has voted for me on the basis of an, ummm, unusual read of information from yesterday's lynch.

This is nice and patronising. My gut feeling is that you're scum. Rather than attempting to construe a case against you around that, I think it's fairer that I just say that.

Also, you questioned my vote earlier. I explained what I meant then. You didn't get back to it. I think it is a bit unfair to ridicule it now without referring to that explanation.

c) VitaminR has acknowledged that he recognizes that these two facts are in competition and that the former undermines the latter.

I've said that you could see it that way. They don't for me.

Honestly, I feel that there is not much in Day 1's posts that allows me to get a read on the players in this game. Can we be done calling this 'silly' and 'babble' and move on?

[VitaminR]

I didn't vote, but you have the other part right at the beginning of what you quoted.

Misread that, sorry.

As for the comments about the non-gut pieces of the basis for your vote, yeah that was a little patronizing. Sorry. I find the argument difficult to respond to, but not because I believe it has any merit, so I was left without anything constructive to say about it.

Fair enough.

Gah... I don't get the feeling you're scum any more.

Unvote: Fuldu

We need to hear from a lot of people. I'm re-reading.

[VitaminR]

Vote: JDodge

[VitaminR]

Heh. Sorry.

[VitaminR]

What are you apollogizing for? voting JDodge? if so, why did you not unvote?

Nah, I'm apologising for whatever Thesp is frustrated about (which I assume to be my lack of reasoning and/or changing my mind based on intuition).

[VitaminR]

HurriKaty, good luck moving! Hope the new place is shiny.

[VitaminR]

For What It's Worth.

JDodge, I'm voting you for your quick votes on SJ and BJ.

Before anyone points out I was on those wagons too (albeit before him in both cases), I do realise that.

[VitaminR]

And saying "I realize that" is hardly a defence, vitamin.

I was just trying to pre-empt this discussion, because I think it is relatively fruitless.

Firstly, I don't need to not have done something in order to find it scummy. Secondly, we didn't do the same thing.

[VitaminR]

I hope we see some replacements. We need more people to chime in.

Foolster, not sure what you don't get about the second paragraph.

[VitaminR]

Vitamin: I think it's the double negetive that's confusing me. Could you rephrase it, and tell me what it is refering to. instead of saying you "don't get" why I don't get it?

Righto. I am free to criticise JDodge for doing something I did too. It's not illogical. What he did can still be scummy.

In any case, it is the different way in which he did it that matters to me. He jumped on the SJ wagon, I was the first vote. He stayed on the BJ wagon for (and had the third vote), I was the second vote and I unvoted.

[VitaminR]

For me, that would be JDodge and Ether, btw.

[VitaminR]

Where does he say that?

[VitaminR]

Woo! I'm at the bottom of the list!

I don't think Fritz would be a bad vote, but mostly because I can't read him that well.

I don't like JDodge has been trying to construe Blake Judge's vote as OMGUS.

[VitaminR]

I'd be cool with a Fritzlynch; other people have said why. When he voted me, I'm not really sure why VitaminR's initial impression was to "trust [his] gut." At the very least, I'd like to read what made my predecessor stand out for him.

Wanting to believe Fritzler is useful? I don't know, I've rarely seen Fritz come out and say someone is scum that way. I thought it was significant. That impression was pretty much blown away when he switched votes quickly after that, though.

Unvote: JDodge,
Vote: Fritzler

There seems to be at least some consensus there.

[VitaminR]

This Fritzler wagon needs more votes.

[VitaminR]

HurriKaty, you can think Thesp is scum, but you're not going to get a wagon going on him. Your opinion are useless to us if you confine yourself to that.

[VitaminR]

I buy that.

Unvote: Fritzler

[VitaminR]

Then perhaps you should not have claimed what your role does and just the flavour and role name.

[VitaminR]

Fine by me.

[VitaminR]

Surprise there...

I'm male.

JDodge is next.

[VitaminR]

And Thesp, "What do you think of VitaminR's post" and "Who do you think are scum" are two completely different questions.

I wish I was a dayvig.

I supppose I hoped that this would indicate that I wanted you to tell us who you thought were scum besides me. (It's almost certain there's at least two scum left.) I do not believe you failed to observe that, so my suspicion is that you are being deliberately difficult or are stalling like crazy to avoid the question. Happy with my vote.

Why in the world is HurriKaty not dead yet?

I'm starting to agree.

[VitaminR]

Vote: HurriKaty

[VitaminR]

I think everyone who still has to claim gender should just do so in the next post and we should start looking at our lynch. I don't want to have to wait for Ether and then Fuldu & Foolster. We won't have any time left before the deadline.

[VitaminR]

Back. Fine with a Katy lynch.

[VitaminR]

Katy is at -1. She needs to claim.

[VitaminR]

I'm not following you, Katy.

I don't think Thesp has a vendetta against you. He's been pretty fanatical about his suspicions of you, but that's his style.

I don't see a reason to stop playing the game and I hope you don't.

[VitaminR]

Foolster, don't. Give her time to claim.

[VitaminR]

Because your conclusions rely on the assumption that Fritzler is telling the truth.

[VitaminR]

I was expecting Katy to have claimed at this point.

[VitaminR]

What now?

[VitaminR]

Vote: Fuldu

I think he fits very well as third scum.

[VitaminR]

1) I still don't really like his position on the Sailor Jerry wagon.
2) Only one not on the HurriKaty wagon except for Blake Judge.

[VitaminR]

I'm not sure how to argue with not liking my "position on the Sailor Jerry wagon,"

This refers to the point I brought up earlier, which we've already gone over.

but I was trying to give HurriKaty the opportunity to claim, which is usually valuable, even if scum are stalling.

Well you didn't post, so that wasn't really evident.

[VitaminR]

Yes, I know what it refers to and I've accepted that you believe it, but given that I still find the argument bizarre, I have a hard time responding to it.

Calling it bizarre is rather unfair. I found it strange that the SJ wagon led to a lynch that quickly. I expect pro-town players to be somewhat cautious about putting on the 5th, 6th and hammer votes. I understood Fritz and Thesp's vote. That leaves you.

I suppose, but if I'd posted to say "Yeah, I think HurriKaty is a reasonable play, but I'd still like to wait until she claims," then you'd just be making a slightly different argument against me.

True, both don't change the fact that you stayed away from the Katy wagon completely when it was developing.

[VitaminR]

Welcome to the game, now a ranger.

[VitaminR]

Could we just get your night results, if not your opinions?

[VitaminR]

I'd be fine with a human/non-human claim.

[VitaminR]

Fuldu should claim his result.

I don't mind starting with Ether or me, but I think there is enough consensus for such a claim.

[VitaminR]

I'm fine with just claiming first too. Who starts?

[VitaminR]

Heh.

I'm here.

[VitaminR]

I think it's safe to see Thesp as confirmed for the moment. There's 8 of us left, we have plenty of leeway here. I don't think it's worth pursuing the possibility that Thesp bussed two scumbuddies at this point in the game.

[VitaminR]

We could just lynch blahgo...

[VitaminR]

Tired of waiting? Plus, it does seem like a scum role.

But, yeah, bad idea.

[VitaminR]

It's nothing significant, I just referred to role because it seemed clearer than saying blahethber.

[VitaminR]

blahgo, Ether and chamber.

[VitaminR]

I don't. I said I thought it likely that they played a scum role.

[VitaminR]

Really depends on which way you read it.

[VitaminR]

Could you pick the next person to claim?

[VitaminR]

Surprise!

Not-human.

Foolster.

[VitaminR]

Lol.

[VitaminR]

Foolster, JDodge and I fit the bill then.

I'd like to hear from Fuldu now, though.

[VitaminR]

NAR, calm down. You claimed "non-human male" and you don't have anything truly pro-town to your name (no real role results or significant place on a scum wagon).

[VitaminR]

Thesp, cite some examples, please.

Also, I really wouldn't have bussed my buddies that enthusiastically. I was the first vote on the SJ wagon and something like the second on the Katy one. I'm not the third scum here.

I don't mind claiming at all, but I have a feeling it is pretty much going to be like signing my own death certificate.

[VitaminR]

What comunications with Hurrikaty are you talking about? I can;t find it when I look back. I think it has to do with the lack of using names in some places with no postsbefore (I don;t want to look back 24 pages if I don't have to)

He seems to telegraph a lot to Hurrikaty about what to do/guiding her. Much of what he says makes a lot of sense for one scum to say to a fellow scum.

Btw, I don't do that sort of thing as scum.

[VitaminR]

You can read some of the games in which I was scum, if you want. I just generally don't give masked advice to scumbuddies.

[VitaminR]

I am Pinky!

I pretty much believe JDodge now.

[VitaminR]

Meh, I generally don't talk that freely to my scumbuddies. Makes me worry I'll give us both away.

Name claim would be a good idea, I think.

[VitaminR]

For the sake of keeping the game moving:

I am a townie.

In case I get to pick, I'd like to see Sweenytodd go next.

[VitaminR]

I pretty much believe JDodge now.

Why?

A hunch that we're supposed to confirm each other and a lack of evidence of safe claims.

[VitaminR]

Good catch, Sweenytodd.

I think we have our last scum.

[VitaminR]

Leading the charge? What?

I waited for your response. To be honest, I'm pretty torn. There's something very wrong about your account. Your role sounds made up and no one can confirm any of it.

But it seems a bit stupid for you to claim it as scum...

[VitaminR]

FoS: VitR

Yes, I changed my mind.

[VitaminR]

VitR: beign unsure is fine, but you sure didn't sound torn before, and yet didn't vote.

I wanted to hear your response first.

[VitaminR]

Not particularly enthused about a No Lynch, but I don't really see a much better option.

I will

Unvote: Fuldu

, in any case.

[VitaminR]

Out of these, I have to say VitaminR is most suspicous to me. "Nice catch looks like we have our last scum" sounds VERY certin to me, and his saying it isn't to cover himself makes me suspicous, among other reasons I've stated before.

I changed my mind. I don't see how that would really have helped me.

If you look back, I'm not the only one to suspect him in the past either.

Don't see how this means anything.

I think we should lynch Foolster, JDodge and me. We're the best candidates for scum at the moment.

Vote: Foolster

Although I don't mind going first.

[VitaminR]

Except you didn't SOUND like "Actually, I'll do this now." It was more "Look he's scum!" then "I never said I was sure he was scum." It's not changing you mind, it's BACKPEDDLING.

Why would I do that?

It only puts me in the spotlight and I've ended up going after you anyway.

[VitaminR]

If you got me lynched right then you could say "look no votes" and hope no one checks back to see you lead it. But I called you on it, which meant you had to pretend you wern't al the serious about lynching me in the first place, but which doesn't fly cionsidering the sure "Looks like we found scum" post.

It was way too obvious for me to do that.

We need activity in this game.

Pick Foolster or me and just vote.

[VitaminR]

Pick Foolster or me and just vote.

Okie Dokie...

Vote: VitaminR

Good.

[VitaminR]

Mod

, could we get some prods?

[VitaminR]

I think that is the best course of action.

[VitaminR]

Fritzler, you are the last one to weigh in.

[VitaminR]

Fuldu and Fritz?

[VitaminR]

That is weird...

[VitaminR]

Perhaps something to do with Thesp's death?

[VitaminR]

I think it's either JDodge or Sweenytodd. Dr. Ottoscratchansniff is the worst claim out of those two, but claiming human is then a bit of a risk.

[VitaminR]

Well, we seem to be dealing with a role that blocks all night actions. I thought Thesp's role may have been a trigger for that or something. In retrospect, that doesn't really make sense, because it help scum.

Alternatively, one of Fuldu/Fritz is a scum roleblocker lying about their result to cover themselves and spread confusion, but that doesn't seem all that likely.

[VitaminR]

Kind of a bad town role to have, though. A post restriction and a mass block. Perhaps he broke his post restriction the day before.

Actually, that works. Thesp posted something in caps every day except Day 4.

[VitaminR]

At the moment, my list is:

Sweenytodd
JDodge
Fuldu
Fritzler

What about everyone else?

[VitaminR]

Seol! Woo!

[VitaminR]

I got human on SweenyTodd.

Okay, that pretty much confirms you.

Seol, you make a strong case, but I'm still bothered by his "no result" claim earlier today. The fact that he was the first to claim it speaks strongly in his favour. How do you see that?

[VitaminR]

I'm not all that sure we have a scum roleblocker, although, thinking about it, that would explain the incongruities in Foolster's claim.

I see little reason for Fuldu to throw that complication out there, though. Why then claim the "no result" himself?

It just casts doubts on the whole thing.

[VitaminR]

As in: there's no scenario in which it makes sense for a pro-town Fuldu to claim that, but not for a scum Fuldu?

Yes, that's true. I hadn't looked at it that way.

[VitaminR]

I had the first scenario in mind, but, thinking about it, I can see two more.

1) Fuldu is a scum roleblocker. In that case, I don't see why he claimed to be blocked. If only Fritzler were to have claimed a "no result," I would have just assumed that the remaining scum is a roleblocker. It wouldn't have pointed at Fuldu. I don't think see his motivation for making it this complicated.

2) Pro-town roles were blocked. The nightkill suggests that anti-town roles weren't. In this scenario, I don't see how Fuldu would have known.

3) Thesp had a martyr-type role. Failing his post restriction meant dying the next night, but also blocking all night actions.

3) doesn't actually seem all that unlikely. Hmm.

[VitaminR]

I had the first scenario in mind, but, thinking about it, I can see two more.

1) Fuldu is a scum roleblocker. In that case, I don't see why he claimed to be blocked. If only Fritzler were to have claimed a "no result," I would have just assumed that the remaining scum is a roleblocker. It wouldn't have pointed at Fuldu. I don't think see his motivation for making it this complicated.

This was the situation you had in mind originally, when you said:

The fact that he was the first to claim it speaks strongly in his favour.

Am I understanding you correctly?

Yes. I was approaching it from the opposite angle, I suppose. I couldn't see him doing it in the Fulduscum scenario I had in mind. I had been thinking of the second scenario earlier, but it applies equally really.

2) Pro-town roles were blocked. The nightkill suggests that anti-town roles weren't. In this scenario, I don't see how Fuldu would have known.

a) Have you ever seen a role which blocks all pro-town roles but not anti-town roles before?

I have once seen something similar (ongoing game, though).

b) Blocked by what/whom? I'm assuming it's not town, seeing as nobody's claimed such an ability, we've all fully claimed, and that's not something a townie would lie about - unless, are you suggesting there might be a pro-town role which can block all pro-town roles but not anti-town roles

without being aware of it?

It could be a scum ability, but that seems problematic. It could possibly be a one-shot scum role (otherwise it's hideously overpowered), but I don't see why that wouldn't be used Night 1. It seems far more likely that it is the latter.

3) Thesp had a martyr-type role. Failing his post restriction meant dying the next night, but also blocking all night actions.

3) doesn't actually seem all that unlikely. Hmm.

a) When did this possibility occur to you?

While I was typing that up, actually.

b) Do you believe Thesp's death was a result of him failing to satisfy his post restriction?

I think it is a distinct possibility. His posting restriction reminds me of my role in Verbose Mafia (in which PJ played) and my punishment for failing it was dying in the night.

Also, reading back, it is clear that he did fail his posting restriction.

[VitaminR]

Oh, I think I get you. The situation that you thought had happened - Fuldu being a scum roleblocker - doesn't really make a huge amount of sense, so you were inclined to think that situation unlikely. So at the point when you made the comment, you didn't really have a situation in mind that you thought was plausible at all? Am I understanding you correctly?

Yes.

The key point is that if it's a scum role, that would explain how scum Fuldu would know about it.

Yes, but I can only really see it as a scum ability in a mafia roleblocker scenario.

Do you agree we can eliminate the possibility that it was an ability knowingly used by town?

Yes.

Do you believe it is plausible it was an ability used by town, or caused by a town role, but unknowingly?

Yes, as I've said before, I think Thesp's role may have caused a mass block. That is different from scenario 3 and that is what I had in mind earlier. This is not a lie:

3) Thesp had a martyr-type role. Failing his post restriction meant dying the next night, but also blocking all night actions.

3) doesn't actually seem all that unlikely. Hmm.

a) When did this possibility occur to you?

While I was typing that up, actually.

No, that's a lie. It's occurred to you before.

It only occurred to me while typing that that Thesp might have triggered his own death and blocked all other actions.

As you have already pointed out. However, the day-scene and MO is quite explicit that he was killed by an external force. If he was killed solely by his post restriction, the flavour is not just misleading, it is an out and out lie, despite MOs being both consistent to date and with the one exception to that consistency exactly what you would expect not only from the role functionality but the flavour of that role too.

That is a good point.

[VitaminR]

I had two theories last Friday. They were:

1) Fuldu as scum roleblocker
2) Thesp failing his post restriction triggering a mass block (but not his own death)

This is 1):

Alternatively, one of Fuldu/Fritz is a scum roleblocker lying about their result to cover themselves and spread confusion, but that doesn't seem all that likely.

This is 2):

Well, we seem to be dealing with a role that blocks all night actions. I thought Thesp's role may have been a trigger for that or something. In retrospect, that doesn't really make sense, because it help scum.

Kind of a bad town role to have, though. A post restriction and a mass block. Perhaps he broke his post restriction the day before.

Actually, that works. Thesp posted something in caps every day except Day 4.

I suppose my use of the word "mass block" is what is causing confusion here. I was referring to a block of all pro-town night actions, since it hadn't occurred to me that Thesp's death could have been self-inflicted.

Both situations complicate a Fulduscum scenario. I was specifically thinking of the first one earlier, since I'd already dismissed the second one.

The third scenario (Thesp triggering his own death and blocking all actions, not just blocking Fuldu & Fritzler) is what occurred to me later.

Do you believe it is plausible it was an ability used by town, or caused by a town role, but unknowingly?

Yes, as I've said before, I think Thesp's role may have caused a mass block.

Without him knowing about it?

Yes, though he may have known. I don't think he planned to fail his restriction yesterday.

[VitaminR]

Yes, Seol, that is what I meant.

I don't entirely see the significance of it, though.

[VitaminR]

Seol, I don't think one-shot blocking powers make much sense. There's no reason to have waited this late with using them.

A scum roleblocker could work. It may explain the discrepancies in Foolster's claim.

[VitaminR]

Seol, what are your conclusions concerning me?

[VitaminR]

Hello?

[VitaminR]

Seol, what are your conclusions concerning me?

[VitaminR]

Things like the "Thesp died as part of the mass block" being an afterthought after you cite the reason it occurred to you that night events were triggered by missing a post restriction

were based on a game where failing post restrictions killed you don't gel

- I can understand thinking it and dismissing it, but not that it didn't occur to you.

I never said this. I only thought of that role in Verbose Mafia and how it was similar later.

I don't believe the thought process you've described is the one you actually had.

Thought processes are always going to sound somewhat contrived if you spend so much time rooting through someone's impression of their own thinking.

[VitaminR]

I have to admit I'm somewhat clueless too at the moment...

I think it's either of Fuldu and JDodge. If pressed, I'd probably go for JDodge at this point.

[VitaminR]

Mod Note: If Katie Ka-Boom does not go Ka-Boom during the day, she must necessarily go Ka-Boom during the night. She will explode (figuratively - not literally), and all town roles (and scum Cop ability) will be blocked if Katie Ka-Boom fails her post restriction. The only action that will go through is a nightkill from scum. All investigatory roles will receive "No Result".

Ha!

I did find Seol's case convincing, but I didn't get the feeling Fuldu was lying about his ability. Suppose that's something to learn from.

::Mod Edited to fix tag::