NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Nero Cain · Post Post #4650 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:13 am

how so? Sad you aren't on it? Maybe I shouldn't have included AK and FF but I keep waffling on those two.

Why is it bad and what is your alternative?

Desperado · Post Post #4651 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:15 am

AK and Ceph are the only ones I'm even remotely interested in seeing dead right now.

My alternative is to just lynch him instead.

mastin2 · Post Post #4652 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:16 am

One-Hundred-Twelvth Votecount

:

(Forty-Fifth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Pish posh, applesauce." votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 5 (Nero Cain, Human Destroyer, Seanald, ThAdmiral, ArcAngel9)

Rena - 3 (Slandaar, ffullisade, Cephrir)

Nero Cain - 2 (CrashTextDummie, Kublai Khan)
Slandaar - 2 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Desperado)

Not Voting - 1 (Rena)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Bubazak

would be lynched.

Bulbazak and Rena are V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
The Malakittens half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until July 15th.
PeregrineV is V/LA until July 11th.
Human Destroyer is V/LA until Sunday, July 11th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 186, post 4628.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

ISO · Post Post #4653 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:20 am

Half that vig pool is obvtown....

ISO · Post Post #4654 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:22 am

At the very least, KK, Bacde and Nacho are like the absolute worst vig targets in the game

Bulbazak · Post Post #4655 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:51 am

In post 4647, Nero Cain wrote:Slandaar is a good lynch, I still don't trust you as town though.

You don't have to trust me. You just have to lynch scum.

In post 4647, Nero Cain wrote: I think your "Nero deflected but no one else did!!" is silly and scummy

I disagreed with your calling what AK did a deflection, and I explained why (although AK doesn't seem to agree with me, so it's more of a null point now). I also didn't think what Mollie did was a deflection, although I do think it was a dodge. That one may just be a simple difference in definitions.

I do feel that you categorizing my argument as "Nero deflected but no one else did" is a misrepresentation of my entire argument. Given what's happened recently, I'm unsure whether that is actually scummy or just you being butthurt.

In post 4647, Nero Cain wrote: and that whole "Thad can vig anyone but CTD" seems incredibly lazy.

I was more interested in saving def. town than directing the vig. I think now that CTD has been taken away as an option, ThAd can make a better choice for the town. At least you came through with the vig. pool, and, with the exception of Rena, I approve.

In post 4654, Cephrir wrote:At the very least, KK, Bacde and Nacho are like the absolute worst vig targets in the game

I disagree. Khan's defense of Slaandar was strange, and he's been suspected by AK, and to a degree Ffullisade. Bacde or Nacho being viged would shed some light on a more contentious part of the game and would allow town to finally unify like it needs to.

Slandaar · Post Post #4656 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:05 am

In post 4646, Bulbazak wrote: So your reason when previously asked about it was that you thought PV and Desp. were on a scumteam together, even though they are both in separate neighborhoods in a normal game? And the reasoning for that was, "I have reasoning, but I don't feel like saying what it is and backing up my absurd accusation which I just made up."? Yeah, not buying it.

Uh, yes?

Why can't 2 bluescum be in 2 different neighbourhoods Bulba?

I have reasoning actually... Desp made case on DLG, his best contribution of the Day which he dropped without ever revisiting he also made some weak accusations towards Ryu without following up. DLG made case on Ryu and was adamant to lynch Ryu (see previous case) but dropped it without a word. Then PV comes in and voted Oversoul D1 out of the blue over Desp; PV who doesn't like to bus.

Its like a beautiful trifecta of bluescum.

In post 4646, Bulbazak wrote: Actually, it's in town's best interest to assume the best case scenario, i.e. Shaheed's Law, and in the event that we're wrong, we can always recalibrate on the fly. Scum tends to congregate on preparing for the town's worst case scenario, since that is what they need in order to win. Therefore, assume 1 team until it becomes evident that it's multiball, and assume a ratio of 1:3 until it becomes evident that you're wrong. Scum will react in the opposite way, and then we can catch them and lynch them.

Ugh it really doesn't matter than much its such a pointless thing to argue, if you assume the higher number you avoid issues later. That is literally the only difference so its better. There is no reason to assume 3/3 instead of 4/4. I have lots of scum reads and they fit nicely in 4/4 so I assume 4 its just logical.

In post 4646, Bulbazak wrote: I think it's funny that you have been calling me scum all game for saying something similar, and then when you are called out on doing little scumhunting, your reasoning is, "Well, I can't make people do anything.".

I have done plenty of scumhunting thanks, but after making a case and showing someone is scum what more can one do? Rewrite the case with pretty colours?

You on the other hand don't make cases you just argue innane things repetedly. Huge difference.

In post 4646, Bulbazak wrote: Her posts have felt genuine and have given me an overall town feel. I have never understood the case on her, and whenever I asked people to elaborate on it, they refused to do so. As far as I understand, it's based on Fuzzy's early posts, which are taken out of context given the nature of ISOs. If anybody has anything more than that, I'd like to hear it.

Well heres a case, between Fuzzy and Rena they have managed to do a total of zero scumhunting. Rena managed more posts as breadcrumb posts and talk about watcher than actual content posts. I mean its pretty obvious she is scum coasting.

You are her buddy though so I understand why you don't vote her.

Desperado · Post Post #4657 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:30 am

In post 4656, Slandaar wrote:I have reasoning actually... Desp made case on DLG, his best contribution of the Day which he dropped without ever revisiting he also made some weak accusations towards Ryu without following up.

This can't be all you had. I dropped it without ever revisiting because DLG got replaced. And I didn't follow up on Ryu accusations because he fucking died that night.

...seriously that is the laziest relationship scumhunting I've ever seen.

Desperado · Post Post #4658 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:31 am

Not to mention I've been consistently hounding Peregrine about his neighbordhood. Where does that fit into us being scum together?

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

ISO · Post Post #4659 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:59 am

Slandaar wrote:Then PV comes in and voted Oversoul D1 out of the blue over Desp; PV who doesn't like to bus.

Really? They're scumbuddies because they aren't bussing each other? I'm sure there are a variety of pairs in this game who aren't attacking one another and, newsflash, they aren't all scum.

Slandaar · Post Post #4660 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:41 am

Ceph you are such a scumbag.

Bulbazak · Post Post #4661 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:56 am

In post 4656, Slandaar wrote: Why can't 2 bluescum be in 2 different neighbourhoods Bulba?

Because it would be unbalanced and give them an advantage over both town and the other team.

In post 4656, Slandaar wrote: I have reasoning actually... Desp made case on DLG, his best contribution of the Day which he dropped without ever revisiting he also made some weak accusations towards Ryu without following up. DLG made case on Ryu and was adamant to lynch Ryu (see previous case) but dropped it without a word. Then PV comes in and voted Oversoul D1 out of the blue over Desp; PV who doesn't like to bus.

That's pretty weak, actually. IIRC, Desp. dropped DLG to focus on Nacho, by which point another player replaced into the slot. Also, PV not attacking who his predecessor attacked is not alignment indicative. This looks more like you made up a reason on the fly to justify your previous reason that you made up on the fly.

In post 4656, Slandaar wrote: Ugh it really doesn't matter than much its such a pointless thing to argue, if you assume the higher number you avoid issues later. That is literally the only difference so its better. There is no reason to assume 3/3 instead of 4/4. I have lots of scum reads and they fit nicely in 4/4 so I assume 4 its just logical.

So your new reason to suspect 8 scum players is that you don't want to give up scumreads? If that was the case, I would have thought that there were still 10 scum left as I entered this day phase, instead of acknowledging that I was probably wrong about some of my reads and still needed to work through them.

In post 4656, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4646, Bulbazak wrote: I think it's funny that you have been calling me scum all game for saying something similar, and then when you are called out on doing little scumhunting, your reasoning is, "Well, I can't make people do anything.".
I have done plenty of scumhunting thanks, but after making a case and showing someone is scum what more can one do? Rewrite the case with pretty colours?

Probably one of the best cases you've made all game was on PV, and that was actually made as a way to lynch his neighbor, ThAd, who was actually under heat at the time. So sorry, I don't buy the "I've done plenty of scumhunting" line, especially coupled with "I can't make people do anything", which is hypocritical, since you've been attacking me for saying the same thing.

In post 4656, Slandaar wrote: You on the other hand don't make cases you just argue innane things repetedly. Huge difference.

If you think that's what I've been doing, then you are highly mistaken. I've been hounding various players on things that I find scummy. Sure I might not make a pretty point by point case, but I still do my best to find scum and reveal them to the town. Meanwhile, you spent 2 whole day phases just pointlessly arguing with Thor on semantics. And then you have the audacity to accuse me about arguing inane things?

Need more votes on Slaandar-scum!

Slandaar · Post Post #4662 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:59 am

In post 4662, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4656, Slandaar wrote: Why can't 2 bluescum be in 2 different neighbourhoods Bulba?
Because it would be unbalanced and give them an advantage over both town and the other team.

Scumslip

Slandaar · Post Post #4663 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:00 am

How does Bulb know red don't have 2 scum in hoods?

Its like you are redscum Bulb

Bulbazak · Post Post #4664 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:06 am

In post 4663, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4662, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4656, Slandaar wrote: Why can't 2 bluescum be in 2 different neighbourhoods Bulba?
Because it would be unbalanced and give them an advantage over both town and the other team.
Scumslip

Common sense.

In post 4664, Slandaar wrote:How does Bulb know red don't have 2 scum in hoods?

Its like you are redscum Bulb

Because either team having more than 1 scum in the neighborhoods would be unbalanced. Seriously, your attacks are getting weaker and more desperate.

ISO · Post Post #4665 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:12 am

The suggestion is, then, that Bulb has scumslipped the knowledge that there aren't 4 scum neighbors out of 6 neighbors, in a normal game...

Get real.

Slandaar · Post Post #4666 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:15 am

There is no reason hoods cant be 2/2/2 or generated completely randomly.

Nice try though.

In post 4666, Cephrir wrote:The suggestion is, then, that Bulb has scumslipped the knowledge that there aren't 4 scum neighbors out of 6 neighbors, in a normal game...

Get real.

Hi Bulbas buddy.

He scumslipped there are not 2 redscum in hoods; not there are not 4 scum neighbours.

Slandaar · Post Post #4667 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:18 am

He is arguing there can't be 2 bluescum in the hoods because

Because it would be unbalanced
and give them an advantage over both town and the other team
.

It would be unfair on poor redscum.

And how could he know that?

ThAdmiral · Post Post #4668 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:40 am

In post 4649, Desperado wrote:That vig pool is absolutely awful

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

Don't worry, I won't be using it.

Rena · Post Post #4669 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:42 am

Somebody complained that I'm paranoid over CTD and Nacho because I consider them both very good players, I've played with both of them before multiple times and my reads on them have been on and off. Add into it that Nacho is an old friend and I'm an emotional player ~ I've always found it difficult to have the heart to kill him. I'm also easy to manipulate once someone tells me they're town - that was one of the reasons I dropped the case on B+B, I remembered that sometimes town think everyone who has the same opinion as them is town too.

That "scumteam" thing that looks like a scumslip was actually a typo. I typed that on my ipad and am notorious for misspellings on it elsewhere.

Slandaar never answered why he is contradicting his own read on me.

If I had to choose between the top 3 lynches, I would go here

Vote Slandaar

Bacde · Post Post #4670 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:43 am

VOTE: bulba

lets do this

Desperado · Post Post #4671 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:49 am

In post 4671, Bacde wrote:VOTE: bulba

lets do this

Lets not

Vote Thad instead.

ISO · Post Post #4672 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:05 am

Rena with the omgus of the century. Nice play!

We're letting three good lynches slip through our fingers and it is driving me up the fucking wall

ISO · Post Post #4673 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:08 am

Desp, we aren;t lynching ThAd. PLease help me do something remotely intelligent.

Slandaar · Post Post #4674 (ISO) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:11 am

How is Rena still alive?