NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

mastin2 · Post Post #4300 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:29 pm

One-Hundred-First Votecount

:

(Thirty-Fourth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Speaking of double-posting..." votecount.

)

Nero Cain - 6 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Bacde, ffullisade, Cephrir)

Seanald - 4 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, penguin_alien)

Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Kublai Khan)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)
Bulbazak - 1 (Nero Cain)

Not Voting - 3 (Seanald, Bulbazak, Rena)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Nero Cain

would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 172, post 4284.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

ffullisade · Post Post #4301 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:10 pm

In post 4276, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
Fery can you point Mollie in my direction and ask her to ISO me. I want her to read something - she'll see it when she ISO's us.

AA:

explain why Cephrir and Bulba please?

I can maybe see both Despo/Seanald.

wat am I supposed to be looking for

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4302 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:14 pm

my post 4156.

ISO · Post Post #4303 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:31 pm

Wow, Nacho and Bacde aren't scum together? What an incredible insight! Who could have deduced that? :O :O :O

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #4304 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:57 pm

I'm surprised the Nero wagon has stalled, but maybe I shouldn't be. It's made up almost exclusively of strong town reads. Nacho's case i think was a very solid piece of scumhunting and it's starting to really make me comfortable with him. The only person on the wagon I have issues with is Cephrir (and those issues have nothing to do with him being on the wagon). It looks to me like scum are reluctant to bus.

I haven't heard a good argument for why we shouldn't lynch Nero. AA9 thinks the wagon is bad because it's a counterwagon, which is a pretty wtf argument. HD is bored by the wagon. AK is against it because she has a meta read on Nero, I think? All these people need to give better reasons for why they aren't voting Nero right now.

Question to AK specifically because she's expressed a solid town read on 4/6 of the people voting Nero: If he's town, why aren't scum jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him?

Ffulisade, I disagree that Nero's defense hasn't been scummy. He's very selectively defending himself, hides behind theory discussion and is sidestepping most of the actual issues. Cases in point:
- His defense for dropping the D1 multiball tell is that he considers all 20+ player games likely multiball. But I've quoted an earlier post that's clearly designed to give the opposite impression, that Nero

didn't

just consider this game multiball without any supporting evidence. He didn't address this point at all because there is no defense for it. It's damning evidence.
- He's arguing back and forth about the merits of leaving a killing role alive, but he doesn't doesn't address the fact that he failed to do the one thing that actually makes the strategy feasible for town, the leashing. He meekly stated that we should give ThAd a pool of players to kill from, but only after I called him out.

Bulbazak · Post Post #4305 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:55 pm

In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4227, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4227, Bulbazak wrote:I like how you try to discredit me before addressing my points.
You have no points.

I've made the same points over and over again in many different ways. You just keep on ignoring them and going "Nuh uh!". Last time I even broke things down to the grammatical level. I'm through arguing this with you, as you are clearly not listening, and this whole thing is distracting.

In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote: That's like half the point of this game; to speculate on players motives. But the question has NOTHING to do with Bcade and everything to do with AK using a "hey look over there defense".

First, you were asking me about player motives based on votes that may or may not exist, from Bacde no less. Bacde's voting history has been eratic, and I really don't want to get into this, especially in a conversation that's about YOU, not AK. Second, AK was not using a "hey look over there defense", she was asking about your motives and criteria.

In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote: Let me get this straight....You were town reading her and then when I pointed out her deflect you started scum reading them....which reminded you why you were town reading them. And I did something to make you town read them?

No. I read AK as town at the beginning of d1. Near the end of the day, I started to have my doubts. On d2, you brought up AK as a means to redirect the conversation, yet you avoided actually quoting the post you were talking about. Meanwhile, I had started to scumread AK. By the beginning of d3, AK was a scumread of mine, so much so that I joined her wagon. You finally got around to quoting the selection of the post by AK. After reading the post, I was reminded why I had townread AK in the first place, which lead to her becoming a townread once again and me getting off her wagon.

In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote: Well I have no clue what you are doing. Lets say for instance, if Ryu had flipped before OS. I'm pretty sure we'd have a group of players that would have thought that Ryu might have been defending a buddy and some that might think that Ryu was defending town for town cred. Town really has no way of knowing what scum are doing.

You're right, it's not unusual for 2 different groups of players to see the same action differently. It IS unusual, however, for the SAME player to see the SAME action 2 different ways at the SAME time. It is not a natural mode of thought, and therefore it is scummy, as you are trying to leave as many options open as possible in order to achieve a mislynch. Misrep harder next time.

In post 4247, ArcAngel9 wrote: He was bullying Fuzzy

I will never understand why people think pushing players to scumhunt is bullying or scummy...

In post 4247, ArcAngel9 wrote: Give free pass to Cepheir and puts him null

I didn't give a free pass to Cephrir. I just wasn't as convinced as others were that he was scum, and I wanted to observe him myself. Since when is not sheeping the popular opinion scummy?

In post 4247, ArcAngel9 wrote: Seanald is scum but unvoted him

CTD asked for some time to give some final posts, since ThAd is intent on vigging him tonight. Seeing as how Seanald was at L-3, I unvoted to give CTD the time he needed.

In post 4247, ArcAngel9 wrote: At somepoint jumped into AK wagon

Because that's what you do when you scumread someone.

In post 4247, ArcAngel9 wrote: Already kept his options open to jump into your wagon at anytime...

If you'd been reading the game, you'd know that I've been scumreading Nero since d1.

In post 4247, ArcAngel9 wrote:
also thinks i am scum..

Waaah... Your point?

In post 4247, ArcAngel9 wrote: His scum list is way to large than his town list....

So I'm taking my time solidifying my reads in a 24 player game and am not intent on handing out townreads like crazy. Your point?

On to page 171.

Ms Marangal · Post Post #4306 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:18 pm

In post 4304, CrashTextDummie wrote:Question to AK specifically because she's expressed a solid town read on 4/6 of the people voting Nero: If he's town, why aren't scum jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him?

Town Driven mis-lynch wagons are Rare and Glorious as fuck. If scum have a chance of doing stuff without actually participating and be hidden, why not take it?

Scum aren't always on a mislynch wagon, I know that as scum I have stayed away from mis-lynch wagons and let town do the work for me because, often times they will especially when there's a strong person advocating for it.

also, jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him now is very likely to get any of them under heat and, having reduced numbers mean that they need to be more conscientious as to what they are doing

~Mara

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4307 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:20 pm

In post 4306, Ms Marangal wrote:
In post 4304, CrashTextDummie wrote:Question to AK specifically because she's expressed a solid town read on 4/6 of the people voting Nero: If he's town, why aren't scum jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him?
Town Driven mis-lynch wagons are Rare and Glorious as fuck. If scum have a chance of doing stuff without actually participating and be hidden, why not take it?

Scum aren't always on a mislynch wagon, I know that as scum I have stayed away from mis-lynch wagons and let town do the work for me because, often times they will especially when there's a strong person advocating for it.

also, jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him now is very likely to get any of them under heat and, having reduced numbers mean that they need to be more conscientious as to what they are doing

~Mara

Bulbazak · Post Post #4308 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:23 pm

In post 4296, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4227, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4127, Slandaar wrote:Bulba is scum yes, he doesn't do anything, he posts a lot but he doesn't achieve anything with them; he posts and posts and what is the best argument he has made? 'You can't think a scumread has confirmation Bias'

Tell me one thing he has done other than that, you can't, hes scum.
This case is weak and is evidence that you are not reading the game.
Oh? Do answer my question then if my case is so weak; what have you done?

Perhaps I missed all the scumhunting you have been doing. How can one write so many walls and achieve so little with them?

I've been pushing Nero as scum since the end of d1 based on his deflection.
I've been pushing Seanald as scum since at least the end of d1 based on him staying on the sidelines and stirring the pot.
I've been questioning Ffullisade on them dodging Thor's questions.
I've asked about the motivations behind various players' posts, most recently AA9's.
Need I go on?

And as for the walls, they are mainly a product of how fast this game moves and my current circumstances, of which I explained in the thread.

In post 4304, CrashTextDummie wrote:I'm surprised the Nero wagon has stalled, but maybe I shouldn't be. It's made up almost exclusively of strong town reads. Nacho's case i think was a very solid piece of scumhunting and it's starting to really make me comfortable with him. The only person on the wagon I have issues with is Cephrir (and those issues have nothing to do with him being on the wagon). It looks to me like scum are reluctant to bus.

I haven't heard a good argument for why we shouldn't lynch Nero. AA9 thinks the wagon is bad because it's a counterwagon, which is a pretty wtf argument. HD is bored by the wagon. AK is against it because she has a meta read on Nero, I think? All these people need to give better reasons for why they aren't voting Nero right now.

Question to AK specifically because she's expressed a solid town read on 4/6 of the people voting Nero: If he's town, why aren't scum jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him?

Ffulisade, I disagree that Nero's defense hasn't been scummy. He's very selectively defending himself, hides behind theory discussion and is sidestepping most of the actual issues. Cases in point:
- His defense for dropping the D1 multiball tell is that he considers all 20+ player games likely multiball. But I've quoted an earlier post that's clearly designed to give the opposite impression, that Nero
didn't
just consider this game multiball without any supporting evidence. He didn't address this point at all because there is no defense for it. It's damning evidence.
- He's arguing back and forth about the merits of leaving a killing role alive, but he doesn't doesn't address the fact that he failed to do the one thing that actually makes the strategy feasible for town, the leashing. He meekly stated that we should give ThAd a pool of players to kill from, but only after I called him out.

Am I to assume that you're done with your final posts then?

ffullisade · Post Post #4309 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:18 pm

hey bulba I haven't finished up my last posts

@ ak wat am I supposed to be getting out of #4156?

I mean all you are doing is referring me to another post. what is your point exactly?

Ms Marangal · Post Post #4310 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:22 pm

She's directing you to where she thinks Thad dropped his relative tell

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4311 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:23 pm

In post 4310, Ms Marangal wrote:She's directing you to where she thinks Thad dropped his relative tell

ffullisade · Post Post #4312 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:59 pm

hhhmmm....not quite how I use it. BUT, I see where mala is going with it and it is a lateral application of it.

I was mystified as to why os played his role in the way that he did myself. I didn't understand why he did not like the bp role I mean I think that role is awsum you could spend the entire time taunting scum into nking you. it could take the nk off of a special how kewl is that.

let's look at cephrir. does anybody seriously believe that cephrir has no idea what to do with thad's "trolling". omg, no. I mean that is what cephrir is saying, "I have no idea what to do about thad's trolling cos I have just never encountered it before!". oh plz.

cephrir, how do you feel about discerning the difference between town flail and scum flail? I thought we had a nice exchange around that but it seems to be lost...

ThAdmiral · Post Post #4313 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:59 pm

In post 4240, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4231, Desperado wrote:Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say
So you think Sean is scum but you join his counterwagon? Gotta love that chain lynching.

You are complaining about nacho misrepping you, but I think you are doing the same to desperado here. He had moved off the sean wagon well before he voted you, saying that he was unsure about it since none of his townreads had gotten on (4106). He then voted and unvoted ak before voting you later.

In fact desp has actually been looking good to me lately, I might have been wrong about him.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4314 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:16 am

In post 4313, ThAdmiral wrote:
In post 4240, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4231, Desperado wrote:Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say
So you think Sean is scum but you join his counterwagon? Gotta love that chain lynching.
You are complaining about nacho misrepping you, but I think you are doing the same to desperado here. He had moved off the sean wagon well before he voted you, saying that he was unsure about it since none of his townreads had gotten on (4106). He then voted and unvoted ak before voting you later.

In fact desp has actually been looking good to me lately, I might have been wrong about him.

If it was, it wasn't intentional however, I do not believe this is a misrepresentation at all. I don't understand his point. It sounded to me like he believed that Sean ACTIONS were scummy, so if that's what he believes then why does he care if his town reads are not on said wagon. He could be wrong about those reads, those town reads could be wrong about Sean. I don't see how he gets "oh noes!!! town reads ain't joining the wagon so Sean might not be scum." I guess Desp needs to explain this to me kiddie style.

I thought desp looked good in the early game but lately he kinda stinks.

Slandaar · Post Post #4315 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:33 am

In post 4308, Bulbazak wrote: I've been pushing Nero as scum since the end of d1 based on his deflection.

Have you?

Could have fooled me, I don't remember you pushing a wagon on him let me check your vote on him...

In post 3977, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 3949, Cephrir wrote: If Bacde was independently scummy there would be nothing preventing him from being redscum. He just isn't. And being wrong is not a scumtell in and of itself.
Can you explain this?

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly. I'm not sure I buy their Khan case, but I'd like to see how this plays out first. Going to go with the vote I had originally before I was convinced by Desperado to join the wagon.

Vote Nero Cain

This is a good wagon.

P-edit: They just felt thrown together at the last minute. You were also not up to date on Cephrir or PV, which showed in how you couldn't give a coherent read on them. I also found it strange that you would have so many nulls at this point in the game. This shows that you're clearly not reading the game as closely as you should.

Sure were pushing that wagon eh?!

Good work Bulbazak!

In post 4308, Bulbazak wrote: I've been pushing Seanald as scum since at least the end of d1 based on him staying on the sidelines and stirring the pot.

Have you?

Well if you could link me to the part where you make a case on him, make an argument to try and convince someone else hes scum or link me to where you made a nice coherent post to him or regarding him that wasn't a tiny snippet hidden within a wall that would be very useful.

In post 4308, Bulbazak wrote: I've been questioning Ffullisade on them dodging Thor's questions.

Questioning. What have you done with your questioning? what was the end result of it? Nothing.

In post 4308, Bulbazak wrote: I've asked about the motivations behind various players' posts, most recently AA9's.

Very good!

In post 4308, Bulbazak wrote: Need I go on?

No, please don't I have heard enough.

Bulbazak does nothing, he may ask questions he may look like he is interacting and scumhunting but the fact is nothing ever results from what he says. This is the meaning of doing nothing.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4316 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:46 am

In post 4308, Bulbazak wrote:I've been pushing Nero as scum since the end of d1 based on his deflection.

Which was no more of a "deflection" than Kitty's "ZOMG, LOOK AT THE FITH VOTE!!!" or Mollie's "U R DUMB!" or whatever fucktarded thing she said.

I mean, really. I asked Khan why he thought my setup speculation was scummy despite others doing it. That's no different then your view of Kitty asking my why I didn't find Bcade's 5th vote (THAT WASN'T EVEN A VOTE!!!) scummy/opportunistic.

and now that I'm the leading wagon your vote is where? That's right. You aren't voting. Which is a big reason why I'm reading you as scum, I've been your #1 suspect since day 2 and instead of being overjoyed and hopping on my wagon you are tentative as fuck to vote me wich doesn't strike me as town in the least.

please die scum.

To save me the headache, is Arc your scumbuddy 'cause she's calling you scum but doesn't want to lynch you today?

please vote for Bulb Slandaar.

ISO · Post Post #4317 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:41 am

In post 4312, ffullisade wrote: let's look at cephrir. does anybody seriously believe that cephrir has no idea what to do with thad's "trolling". omg, no. I mean that is what cephrir is saying, "I have no idea what to do about thad's trolling cos I have just never encountered it before!". oh plz.

I haven't. I've never seen a claimed vig say, "Nope fuck you imma do whatever I want". Find a completed game of mine where this happens. You can't. If I didn't believe he was town I'd lynch him for it, but now it's a question of, 'is it worth lynching town to save a useful, stronger town?' and I'm not sure it is because we could potentially lynch scum today. I guess we could have protective roles go on CTD or something, or at least WIFOM that possibility, just so he'll pick a different target. [/directingPRs]

In post 4312, ffullisade wrote:cephrir, how do you feel about discerning the difference between town flail and scum flail? I thought we had a nice exchange around that but it seems to be lost...

Honestly, I think this is a skill that I don't have. When Desp was flailing, I thought the flail was scummy. The difference between him and AK for me at this point is that the body of Desp's posts outside of said flail is good (day 2 & 3, at least), whereas AK's other posts are basically useless and aren't really scumhunting (KK doesn't count because that case and vote have got to be the most useless thing I have ever seen).

I have seen flailing before that I thought was town, but I can't quantify the difference.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4318 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:59 am

In post 4305, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote: That's like half the point of this game; to speculate on players motives. But the question has NOTHING to do with Bcade and everything to do with AK using a "hey look over there defense".
First, you were asking me about player motives based on votes that may or may not exist, from Bacde no less. Bacde's voting history has been eratic, and I really don't want to get into this, especially in a conversation that's about YOU, not AK. Second, AK was not using a "hey look over there defense", she was asking about your motives and criteria.

This is extremely relevant to our conversation/argument. If YOU think that she was asking me about my motives then its a fair question to ask you why she felt that I should have called out Bacade on his "5th vote"

In post 701, mastin2 wrote:Sixteenth Votecount: (AKA, the "Times are a changin, votes are a not" votecount)
Nachomamma8 - 4 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty)

As you can see, bacde was already on the Nacho wagon and therefore his revote was NOT the 5th vote.

YOU are claiming that this was not a deflect and her asking about my motives. I'm calling bullshit on this 'cause Bacde didn't even have the 5th vote on the Nacho wagon and so Kitty's post looks like nothing more than a "hey look over there" post 'cause I find it very very hard for Mala to legit believe that I should have found his post scummy/opportunistic when he wasn't even the 5th vote.

So explain to me how she was asking about motive and criteria based on a not actual vote.

On d2, you brought up AK as a means to redirect the conversation

No. I brought it up 'cause you are scumreading me based on a "deflection". I wanted to know if you thought that deflections are scummy (which you seem to imply) why are you not looking at ALL the deflections. There is no fucking way that Mala was asking about my motives, and even if she really was (and just didn't understand that Bacde was not the 5th vote, which is why I didn't find it scummy) my asking Khan why he wasn't scumreading other setup speculators is not different.

This tells me that you are specifically attacking me, weather you think I'm a soft target or if weather I'm scumreading a buddy of yours, it doesn't matter. What matters is that you are selectively scumhunting me and I want to know why you find my "deflect scummy" but not Mollies or Kitties?

In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote: Well I have no clue what you are doing. Lets say for instance, if Ryu had flipped before OS. I'm pretty sure we'd have a group of players that would have thought that Ryu might have been defending a buddy and some that might think that Ryu was defending town for town cred. Town really has no way of knowing what scum are doing.
You're right, it's not unusual for 2 different groups of players to see the same action differently. It IS unusual, however, for the SAME player to see the SAME action 2 different ways at the SAME time. It is not a natural mode of thought, and therefore it is scummy, as you are trying to leave as many options open as possible in order to achieve a mislynch. Misrep harder next time.

I think your defense of Kittens is scummy. Weather they are town and you are defending them for cred or they are your scumbuddy doesn't really matter to me and we'll cross that bridge after you flip scum. The point is that, your defense of the slot looks scummy to me and that I and no one (besides the mods and your maybe scumbuddy) but you know if you are scum defending scum or scum defending town.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4319 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:09 am

In post 4298, Rena wrote:Nero is doing stuff now he's people think he's scum for being useless.

???????

Are you faking drunkposts again?

Also, if you think I'm being voted for being useless then you are obviously not paying attention. I hate that you rolled a scum pm 'cause now you'll be able to coast.

Desperado · Post Post #4320 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:13 am

In post 4314, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4313, ThAdmiral wrote:
In post 4240, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4231, Desperado wrote:Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say
So you think Sean is scum but you join his counterwagon? Gotta love that chain lynching.
You are complaining about nacho misrepping you, but I think you are doing the same to desperado here. He had moved off the sean wagon well before he voted you, saying that he was unsure about it since none of his townreads had gotten on (4106). He then voted and unvoted ak before voting you later.

In fact desp has actually been looking good to me lately, I might have been wrong about him.
If it was, it wasn't intentional however, I do not believe this is a misrepresentation at all. I don't understand his point. It sounded to me like he believed that Sean ACTIONS were scummy, so if that's what he believes then why does he care if his town reads are not on said wagon. He could be wrong about those reads, those town reads could be wrong about Sean. I don't see how he gets "oh noes!!! town reads ain't joining the wagon so Sean might not be scum." I guess Desp needs to explain this to me kiddie style.

I thought desp looked good in the early game but lately he kinda stinks.

You don't understand how I might be wary of a wagon that I started and got to L-2 without my five strongest townreads?

That wouldn't give you pause? What do you think I meant when I said that "I'm not sure what this means yet?" Your mini diatribe here seems to imply that I just got scared that Nacho and Mollie didn't vote with me and that I'm just cowering on to a different wagon when my behavior tells a very different story.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4321 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:25 am

no, not really. Which is why I asked you to explain it but instead you are defensive. Why?

Unless you specifically think that there are certain players on the wagon that are scum then I don't think it matters that your town reads aren't voting with you.

But I am correct in that you think Sean is scummy?

Nero Cain · Post Post #4322 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:26 am

In post 4304, CrashTextDummie wrote:It's made up almost exclusively of strong town reads. Nacho's case i think was a very solid piece of scumhunting and it's starting to really make me comfortable with him

So when I flip town, how will if affect those "strong town reads" and Nacho?

- His defense for dropping the D1 multiball tell is that he considers all 20+ player games likely multiball. But I've quoted an earlier post that's clearly designed to give the opposite impression, that Nero
didn't
just consider this game multiball without any supporting evidence. He didn't address this point at all because there is no defense for it. It's damning evidence.

no its really not. You've already pointed out that I use multiball interchangeably. I generally find Mala/Mara to be scummy. I did not know if we had scum team + sk or scum team + scumteam. If we had only one scumteam then it makes it mathematically less appealing to hunt the possible SK and I thought people like Nacho and Bcade were scummier.

My point about OS...when Sean pointed out some opportunistic/scummy votes on OS...with 4 days to go until deadline, I didn't think there was any reason to derail said wagon.

Also, current site meta suggests that large games have more than 1 killing faction. You and Nacho pretending like its soooo scummy for me to suggest that seems so silly to me.

- He's arguing back and forth about the merits of leaving a killing role alive, but he doesn't doesn't address the fact that he failed to do the one thing that actually makes the strategy feasible for town, the leashing. He meekly stated that we should give ThAd a pool of players to kill from, but only after I called him out.

So what am I supposed to do to leash him? Yell at him in all caps that if he shoots outside the acceptable targets 'cause he already knows that's how I feel. I've been giving my reads all day and deadline is a week away and there's no point in finalizing my pool this far away. Why are you so curious to see who I want vigged?

Desperado · Post Post #4323 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:30 am

In post 4321, Nero Cain wrote:no, not really. Which is why I asked you to explain it but instead you are defensive. Why?

Unless you specifically think that there are certain players on the wagon that are scum then I don't think it matters that your town reads aren't voting with you.

But I am correct in that you think Sean is scummy?

What about that was defensive? I did explain it. In real time, as it was happening. And then I quoted the same posts again later.

And yet here you are, asking me to explain it again and then trying to get one over on me because I was "defensive" instead of answering your question (that had already been answered).

Yes I find Seanald scummy.

Desperado · Post Post #4324 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:30 am

oh god triple post my computer is so bad sorry mastin

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