NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Amethyst Kitty]

My point is that wagon analysis would be unreliable if no one disagreed with the lynch.

;_; you're not getting my point. It's not unreliable if you analysis it against the other wagons.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I don't like how fast this seanald wagon has sprouted...

Bulb (at least I think it's you who asked) Scum would set up mis-lynches in multi-ball for the exact same reason they would set up mis-lynches in a non-multiball. they need the mislynches to win, even moreso here since the numbers are smaller and thus, would have more of a desire to do that kind of action.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

post 4007 was odd and unneeded, don't know why he put it there. I don't even know if I can call it AtE, but it kinda looks like an attempt to do so?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm unsure what you're saying. Is it that Nero is always anti-town, yet he always goes after the most anti-town player?

Kinda?

I mean, I don't really find him to be that anti-town but yes, he does tend to go after anti-town players thinking that they are scum as town. I see alot of town nero thought process and alot of town-Nero emotion, confusion, irritation ect... stuff that I experienced with him when I hydra'd with him.

if you really need me to, I can go post by post and pick out what it is exactly what I'm using as a base for my town read on him, but I'd prefer not to >.>

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Really now? Really?

It's a legitimate part he's not attacking others for the same thing.

[Amethyst Kitty]

What I don't understand is why we aren't looking for scum in these three claimed neighborhoods.

We have:

Seanald / Despo

CTD / Slandaar

Pv / ThAd

I don't think Mastin would have three town neighborhoods and I doubt scum would claim if they were neighbors together.

There's something wrong with this picture.

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My point is Nacho that I can sometimes pull information from town AND scum lynches. In fact I know I can because I have done it multiple times when I was a vig and was accurate.
So I'm different when people say we can't pull information from possible town flips because it's wrong - people are able to pull information from them, but they need to know how it's done correctly.

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@Despo:

I was eating lunch when I posted earlier and kept wanting to throw my phone across the wall because it kept sticking and I couldn't type anything right. I think my replacement screen is fucked up right now.

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@Mollie:

2566.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I don't think Mastin would have three town neighborhoods and I doubt scum would claim if they were neighbors together.

There's something wrong with this picture.

Setup spec, generally useless. Why not wait until we have more information to sort out the neighborhoods? Why is it crucial we focus on them now?

We have one neighbor (ThAd) who has a x-Shot vig and wants to shoot another neighbor (CTD). (ThAd) is not listening to what the town wants and rather put things in his own hands.

We have currently one neighbor close to L-3 (now I believe) (Seanald) and his own neighbor (Despo) who is 'testing' wagons and now trying to bring light back to our wagon.

CTD's neighbor (Slandaar) is doing flips and jumps.

ThAd's neighbor (PV) is actually being helpful right now. So I don't have anything to say regarding him.

[Amethyst Kitty]

We have one neighbor (ThAd) who has a x-Shot vig and wants to shoot another neighbor (CTD). (ThAd) is not listening to what the town wants and rather put things in his own hands.

We have currently one neighbor close to L-3 (now I believe) (Seanald) and his own neighbor (Despo) who is 'testing' wagons and now trying to bring light back to our wagon.

CTD's neighbor (Slandaar) is doing flips and jumps.

ThAd's neighbor (PV) is actually being helpful right now. So I don't have anything to say regarding him.

This doesn't mean we should focus on the neighbor group.

Yeah we should because there's something odd regarding it. I doubt that every group present right here is town/town.

CTD already had suspicions on Slandaar, but hasn't given any new information regarding that.

Despo is acting all weird again and for a few minutes there I was warming up to him being town now he put himself back into a null pile.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm waiting for Mara to flesh out the Nero town read.
When she does this then Ill comment on your thoughts.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nope not really readin the thread. I stopped caring a while ago. Mara cares though.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I stopped caring when Mollie got all paranoid on me.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Why would you stop caring because one player "got all paranoid"?

She's my strongest town read. I like working with my strongest town read, but I can't work with my strongest town read if she's fighting me. She's currently not giving me a chance. I do tend to bounce reads off strong town reads.

I'm waiting for her to respond to something though, but she hasn't been present since I said it.

[Amethyst Kitty]

OK

This is a big game though. If your #1 townread did something that gave you pause, why did you chose to stop caring rather than just moving on to your #2 town read?

You make it sound like I have a second biggest town read. I don't really have any hugeeeeeee confidence in anyone, but Mollie. Nacho's currently maybe trying to work with Mara, so that's cool I guess?

Arc would be a higher town read, but I can't bounce ideas off her when she's not really present in the thread, now can I?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Meta as I said.

How can I bounce ideas off if she's barely present?

Ehm. I was at work, tyvm.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Doesn't matter though she made two posts and popped out. I can't work with her if she doesn't pay somewhat attention. >.>

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mala.

Really Nero? Mara?

[Amethyst Kitty]

4156 was me phone posting.

The rest I was home.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nope not really readin the thread. I stopped caring a while ago. Mara cares though.

[Amethyst Kitty]

You're sitting here asking me questions I already answered. If you want more information on my Arc read - read the read list. If you want information on why I didn't quit read prior posts. I didn't 'fake rage' I was going to replace out, but Mara talked me out of it. This already has been covered.

Spoiler:

Town:

Nacho

- Started off really shakey though I think I got a good handle on him now. Recently, he's been doing alot better, I'm getting where he's coming from and his annoyance with Bacde looks extremely townish. the fact that he unwilling to lynch him despite him being an annoyance is town as fuck, the little dance we had made him look a tad bit townish... I think his paranoia of him jumping from the bottom of my list to the top is genuine.
For Mala, Nacho being pushed by both blue scum early on makes him townish.

Ffery/Mollie

- Mollie is being aggressive and stubborn, showing alot of her town-traits early on in the game. we both have similar feeling on that slot, and that slot was solidly town all game for both of us.

Nero

: Explained, and solidly based on Meta. Weaker read for Mala though, and she is basically just trusting me on this

Bacde

: Despite Mala's outburst on him earlier, He is a strong (I think at least) town read for the both of us. I like his contributions in thread and I think he's been somewhat helpful, moreso than he usually is.

CTD

: He is solidly town for both of us too, he has nice thought processes, and ask alot of good questions and his paranoia on the neighbor thing was genuine as fuck I think. also, I really like his early play.

Angel

- her post are incredibly light hearted, especially early on. This, I think is an indication of town angel. her reaction to the mass claim idea is really genuine as well. I really love her defense of OS, and her reasoning behind it.

she also made a nice push on Ryu which, at the very least shows that she isn't blue scum.

the only thing I don't agree with is her vote on us, and the timing of it but it doesn't hurt my read on her. Strong town read for Mala as well

Rena

- Mostly not blue scum, and I don't think anything her or Fuzzy has done is actually scummy. Early game, Fuzzy did his normal fuzzy shenanigans of doing wierd as fuck stuff though he usually does those kinds of things to try and get reads so I had him as town.
As soon Rena gets in, she asks questions and plays catch up, which is a really good sign. She's been asking alot of questions and been fairly engaged... Yeah, I don't get the case on her at all and I don't have a clue to why she was ran up to claim at all. Weaker town read for Mala

Bulb

: Easily one of the most engaged people in the game I think. Stronger read for me, a weaker one for Mala. I really like his questions and him trying to understand the mindset of others. the fact that he keeps returning to his original reads, to me reads that he trusts his reads more than he trusts others and is constantly re-finding his center in the game.

DLG/Peregrine

: I have him as solidly town, though Mala has him at null. a quick run through his Iso shows that both are genuine in their responses, and both were as engaged in the game as they could be. DLG looked less townish in my eyes, but PV's attempt to actually interact with everyone despite not being able to keep up with things. He's trying to analyze what's going on in game which is another very good sign.

Null.

Ceph: I was scum reading him, though Mala doesn't have an opinion on him yet. My read on him had to do with alot of his early interactions. I'm not to overly fond of his interactions with Mollie/jiffy early on and his thought process's don't go that deep until later in the game when he starts making lists which, I originally thought him to be trying to "look town" I shift on him alot but his response to being pressured is pretty much non-existant. almost like he doesn't care about what others think. My scum read on him feels out of date but he hunts for solely blue scum, rather than just scum in general which makes me look at him wierdly.

HD

was really townish early game, though he's buggered off lately. Mala was town reading due to Om though she doesn't exactly remember what it was. for me, he started off strong. he was a really strong town read though he hasn't given anything of substance for a while. aside from D1, his actions aren't memorable and he's lurking like hell but I don't think he's done anything scummy. I just need more from him in general. The Hydra dis looked legit to me as well.. when he was in hydra.

Scum:

KK

. I already explained my case on him and he is also a strong scum read for Mala too, though I mostly think she's sheeping me on him >.>

Penguin and Seanald are weaker scum reads for the both of us.

Seanald

is mostly based on gut, though Senalds most latest post are terrible. the only thing that stops me is Sherlock holmes mafia where he acted somewhat similar and I ended up lynching him.

Babyspice/Penguin

is mostly based on guts as well. I don't like either of their posts. Spice was superficial, not really deep seeding and penguin isn't any better I don't think. I don't get any of his votes at all, and a few of them look a bit opportunistic, mainly his Rena one. I do like post 3636 though, and that makes me question this read. Spices's post make sense from a mind scumset, but Penguins make less sense I think so I am also conflicted on that end.

Hydra dissonance is fun reads:

Thad

- I think he's town Despite AD early fluffiness. Early on, when he did try to catchup, he was actually trying to catch up and he wanted to avoid a no lynch via his "just tell me who to lynch, I won't have time to read through the thread"
day two starts, In between his complaints he has some decent reads and he interacts well with others. He doesn't really push his own cases, but he does try being helpful. I think all this later day stuff is just him starting to burn out a bit. His early claim is a little weird though I have had experiences with that myself so I'm unwilling to call him scum for that.
I have him as weak town
Mala has him as scum. Mala thinks AD was really fluffy, and Thad is the exact same. He isn't as aggressive as she's used to him being and he's following pushes of others over making pushes of his own. She also think his Vig claim is lazy, and a fake-claim. she's thinking SK, or red scum. She also thinks that Mollie's relative tell that we used in Tit for Tat can be used on him again this game.

Slandaaar:

I have him as solid town. I think his vibe here is different than his vibe in GoW and his post feel alot less forced to me. Mala thinks he's scum who is doing that terrible scum tunneling, though I disagree because I know that he also tunnels as town. She finds his flip-flop read on us extremely suspicion though I don't find it as much.

to me, he feels a whole lot light hearted in this game and isn't to concerened over what he's doing/saying.

the tunnel on Thor, and then tunnel on us is pretty bad and his other thoughts are all over the place but I think that indicates town slandaar.

Despers:

for me, alot of it is meta based... he does alot of 1v1 ( I don't know if he does these as scum too) and his thoughts and ideas look pretty genuine to me. I see a bit of logical fallacy in his posts, though he's generally fearless with his opinions and doesn't really care of how others view it. He has that stubborness that I have witnessed him to have as town and is unwavering behind it. He's pretty aggressive in his attacks, the only thing I have a problem with is his choice of targets. some of them look pretty easy. I can't really follow his thought process behind his Rena, Kitty, Nero, and Thad votes but that's pretty minor I think.

Mala has a gut read on him though, she can't really explain why she thinks Despers is scum though she does think 2321, 2322, and 2326 looks like scum distancing, and it also looks forced from her perspective.


~Mara

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Mollie fails <3

I trusted you as you were/are my highest town read. I figured we were in a similar boat to you and Fery. I was mistaken and it hurts when a strong town read just turns on someone like that. Yes, but see this is a lot different because you have meta on both Mara and I and we play a lot together. This game isn't one of my scum-games, but as I said you just flipped. It wasn't really you flipping that bothered me as so much what happened before you did it. You stated okay we are a weak town read (fair enough - I understand that) and that you wanted to talk to us to get a better read. Before we could even speak to you - you accused us both of lurking while bringing up Skype against us both. You woke me up the following morning and I said I was sleeping so it was most likely I was still sleeping, but as I said you didn't put that into perspective. Once I posted and made the '>.>' you flipped hardcore. I get really, really annoyed at people in general when they nitpick over my personal habits. This is exactly what you did. You said my personal habit is a relative-scum tell (which it's not). I can't change something if I do it all the time in random online conversation. Don't expect me to change either.

These are the tells you keep brining up against us:

•'>.>'
•lurking
•being calm
•aTe

All of which are done regardless of our alignment.

I never had that and I don't go to cold stone so probably will never have it.

The ATE meltdowns weren't a joke and they weren't a trick to get all the votes off of us. I was frustrated at everyone. I was frustrated at Mara too and I wanted out of the game. I wasn't happy with you and it affected my mood overall. Yes I wanted to replace out and yes Mara talked me out of it, but yes I still want to replace out, but I don't want to leave Mara alone to clean up after a mess I helped create.

You said you wanted to talk. Lets talk before I go to bed. You got 10 minutes since I might sleep once this episode is over. If you reply then ill watch another one and you'll have my attention for an hour.

[Amethyst Kitty]

And you now might understand how I feel.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Already asked that

When he called a wagon after 5 votes one of which was his own, but at the time the votes to lynch was more.

[Amethyst Kitty]

But considering the strength of Nero's scumread against me, I find it strange as fuck that he keeps on jumping on people who were unlikely buddies with me. I also have no idea where the multiball assertion came from (completely out of nowhere), but his endorsement of an OS wagon while voting me and while people are saying there are likely scum in the OS jump was scummy as fuck.

I had similar reasoning for Khanscum

Why is Nero scum for attacking people who aren't likely your buddy when you're his top scum read, but Khan isn't for doing something similar to me?

Nero at least initiated some kind of attack against you, Khan didn't even make a case against me until I attacked him. Yeah, he stated he had a scum read on me and that he had it for a while, but I don't remember him doing anything with it until I confronted him about it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

AK is not dying today.. Seanald is today's lynch!!!
Stop pushing counter wagons!!!!!!!!

???

Sup with this angel? you were supporting our wagon not that long ago

I really don't like this Cain wagon in the slightest

Khan, you were setting up mislynches. I was attacking one of the biggest pushers of the OS wagon at that time, and I voiced my opinions on the OS lynch. Saying I was doing absolutely nothing to prevent him from being lynched is still a mis-rep.

Desp. Slandaaar had given several scum-reads for no reason, so has Nero, and Thad has some really strange scum reads and last I recall, Thad hasn't even voted for a single scum read

and yes, she isn't allowed to take our vote off Khan. I'm not fond of any of the leading wagons so far, and the other wagons that I might consider joining aren't yet formed so our vote there wouldn't mean shit.

as for the policy lynching Seanald for Info, I don't agree with her on that respect. I don't want to push a wagon on the sole purpose of policy when I have something much better right here in front of me regardless of the information that we may or may not gain from it.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'll get to the Nero case tomorrow, but I don't like it

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fery can you point Mollie in my direction and ask her to ISO me. I want her to read something - she'll see it when she ISO's us.

AA:

explain why Cephrir and Bulba please?

I can maybe see both Despo/Seanald.

[Amethyst Kitty]

It's Mala and in a second if I have time.

Do you think FF/Mollie hydra is town, btw?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Peng:

Are you town?

[Amethyst Kitty]

my post 4156.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Question to AK specifically because she's expressed a solid town read on 4/6 of the people voting Nero: If he's town, why aren't scum jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him?

Town Driven mis-lynch wagons are Rare and Glorious as fuck. If scum have a chance of doing stuff without actually participating and be hidden, why not take it?

Scum aren't always on a mislynch wagon, I know that as scum I have stayed away from mis-lynch wagons and let town do the work for me because, often times they will especially when there's a strong person advocating for it.

also, jumping at the opportunity to mislynch him now is very likely to get any of them under heat and, having reduced numbers mean that they need to be more conscientious as to what they are doing

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

She's directing you to where she thinks Thad dropped his relative tell

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fery makes me sad on so many levels. Like SUPER SAD.

~~~

Actually I said this to Mara after the Donner Party game ended. There was something similar that was said here to something said there. Bulb had a total different reaction to it here which made me lean town on him mainly because he was SK in DP.

~~~

@Peng:

y u so lurky?

If I had to pick it's between ThAd, you and Seanald. Your current lurking is bothering me so much it's not even remotely funny.

ThAd is because of a relative tell and the fact he's wanting to shoot CTD who's a decent town read for half the game.

Seanald because he's lurking like hell and there was something in Day 1 I read as a slip by him, but I sent it pass Mara and she told me it looks like paranoid town so I dropped it.

What's your current read on CTD, but also Slandaar?

[Amethyst Kitty]

...

and everyone thinks Khan is town?

No one's even given me a town-case on Khan when I asked for it,

Mollie, I apologize for calling you stupid, though I don't like having what I think to be my two worst scum games (popcorn and Hard-boiled) and my worst town game on site (Polygamist) being used as a meta-point against me.
that, combined with the fact that you flipped from weak-town to full out scum before we could even speak to you and when we promised that we will talk to you when given the time to irritated me and not being able to do much about it sucked.

what do you think of the points I stated about Khan?

specifically, the setting up mis-lynches, his response to that, how he tries to deflect from that being used against him, and how the battle between us started?

I would like answer to the above from Nacho as well.

and Nero.

and I'm still waiting for responses to this

[Amethyst Kitty]

and what are your thoughts on the Seanald wagon Nero? because I don't like how it was formed at all.

Mollie, I don't particularly find anything appealing in his content, looking more closely at his posts

and most of his analyzing came when he started being attacked.

I will put my own Credibility on the line for This Khan lynch

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nero, please stop pretending to have a PR in a normal game.

This is a normal game?!?

no he's still scum just for another reason

no he's still scum just for another reason

this makes me laugh, debating weather or not I have a PR

leave the stupid fruit alone, Nero is town and even derp as fuck Mollie knows it. Now lets all kill Fenix.

HAI MOLLIE!!!

What do you mean what gives, Fuzzy?

Along with he was voting early on, there's alot of humor in these posts along with his normal early Bias that Nero Exhibited in the game we played together, when it came to him attacking TIP and when it came to him attacking Ffery/Ineffective Hydra. He has the "this dude is scum, let kill him and then you can all thank me later" kinda mindest and is being somewhat loose. Nero doesn't like playing scum, he's stated that to me alot of times, and he even told me, when we signed up for the Micro that he would flip shit if our slot ended up drawing scum. It actually looks like he wants to be in this game

Yeah, sorry to burst your bubble but I don't think that you put me "under a microscope". Obviously I was trolling and faking a PR so that's why I wasn't talking.

Tell me why you think B&TB is scum.

Him thinking that w/e he states should be pretty fucking obvious to everyone else. As town, he always has this expectation that his team should know what he's saying, and what he means. Unrealistic most of the time, but he has it.

IDK...lynching Arc would be a total utility lynch.

Unsure of an wagon that he knows is easy. Along with this, he's pushing who he believes are actually scum.

Tell me why do I read as independent as opposed to scum? Can't hunt your own team?

hey look!! A deflection.

More humor, in a sarcastic kind of way. I kinda laughed when I read these posts

hello kitty, what do you think about the mollie + OS vs. Nero and Despo bickering on the last page?

Wants other peoples thoughts on things that he thinks are important

Nero, that point was pretty stupid.

???????????

Mollie called me 3rd party.
I asked why I read specifically as third party.
Mollie deflects away and ad homs instead of answering a simple fucking question.
I point out said deflection.

Why is this a bad/stupid point, Nacho?

Translation: I think my points are sound and I don't think you should call them stupid

it's a sign that he's somewhat proud of what he's put forth and is offended by someone calling it stupid. I think Pride is a town-Nero trait

Mollie sheeping me?!? It really is the apocalypse!

Moar Humor.

That vote looks kinda suspicious.....I wanted Nacho to be scum so bad.

He's second guessing his read here based on my attack on Nacho. He's admitting that he could be wrong, something I don't think he'd do as scum and there's a tad bit of paranoia in here as well.

bulb, would you stop ignoring what's going on between me, Mollie, Despo, and Nacho. Why no comment?

Translation: There's something important here RE me and I don't like you ignoring it, stop ignoring it.

more of that town pride thing from Nero

I'll tell you what I don't like. You're vote was the 4th vote on Nacho. Now of course you can easily saw "oh well we were behind and didn't know there was a nacho wagon." but its incredibly convenient me thinks.

A subtle way of telling someone that he thinks scum slipped

I'll read Bulb more in detail later but my gut reaction says town, B&TB might be town 'cause Maj prob would put a leash on scummy/dumb as fuck Mollie. Ditto for OS, seems like he's more careful as scum. Though either way I don't really care about their alignments and I think its in the best intrest of the town to get rid of them. I think Nacho is scum.

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He goes back to his nacho scum read, very, very, very town Neroish. He's sticky with his strongest reads and will go back to them regardless of being right or wrong

yuck. I have a nulltown from you and my company is with Nacho, AK and Fenix? I fucking hate you, Cephir.

Translation: I should be Obv town and they aren't, why am I not Obv town.

When Nero is town, he expects everyone to know that he is town... I kinda have that tendency too I think

NOPE!!! On other sites there are third parties that are NOT scum.

and I think OM is playing like 3rd party.

lolol... more of that lovely, lovely humor

pfft. Nacho badgering mover asking why Mollie called me an "indie" is just retarded and scummy. That's all that needs to be said.

Why?

'cause its stupid. Mollie said something stupid and scummy, I asked about it. That's a pretty common reaction and for you to somehow think its scummy for me to ask Mollie why she said that, well you're prob scum.

Nero town conf. Bias. I know scum can be subjected to this to, but the way he's transmitting it makes me actually believe that he thinks Nacho is scum and he doesn't want to move from that. He's also irritated that he's being questions for stuff that apply to others, IE selective scum hunting which is one of his favorite scum tells

Mala says that Mollie caught something interesting that I had personally over looked. I do agree with her in that, it's a good point and it has to do with the entire Indie battle you had with her

This looks like nothing but strongly worded bullshit. Why were you needlessly vague here?

Town Nero annoyed that we aren't being as open as he wants us to be. He wants to know what we think, and why we think what we think but we aren't letting him in on anything and he's fustrated

Also can I ask you.. Your 3/4 vote on a wagon is for what size game? Meaning how many players and how accurate is it? I think you are just trying to find any reason to say we are scum and to see what sticks.

Its like any other "tell". Its listed on the wiki and from my experience in large games shows that scum still do happen to land on the 3rd vote vote.

Nero applying a general tell is what he does as town. there is also the fact that others are using that tell on him, and others aren't calling us scummy while he is. More fustration

Also Nero..

You state that the 3rd or 4th vote on wagon is usually scum. You tryin to indirectly state you are scum? You were the 3rd vote on two wagons so far.

~ Mala

Well isn't it obvious that I'm a 4th party surviving jester?

possible IIOA from Ryu in 864.

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humorous response is humorous

WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK.

His response to us being vague, and not giving him what he wants. another town response

Nero Cain is trolling most of the time. Then he latched onto the third party thing, then he made fun of mollie, then he tried to bring as much attention to the situation as possible. It doesn't really seem like a particular strong scum strategy, but I sort of liked that he made an attempt to read the people he was pushing policy lynches on and is pushing a real life scumread instead of the people he generally finds scummy anyways. Town.

Well everyone with a brain already knows that I'm town anyways...I wouldn't call that an accurate description of my play. Mollie called me a SK, I asked why Mollie called me an SK. Instead of answering said question she gets stupidly self righteous. Now maybe being a moron is a towntell for Mollie but I neither care or want to waste time debating their alignment. And I do find it scummy and not pro-town for you to berate me over a valid line of questioning. What's even worse? You supposedly didn't have a scum read on me this whole time but were more than glad to argue with me.

I also wouldn't say thet I ever really "pushed" for policy lynches just that I wouldn't care if we utility lynched a few bozos.

more of that Nero expecting people to see him as town, when he is actually town.

AK shouldn't even sniff a town read unless you're going for the too dumb to be scum tell. Her and B&TB and Ed...just get rid of that whole very very likely town group and stick em in the "prob town group"

He voices that his scum reads shouldn't be in a very, very likely town group. Town Nero doesn't like it when people don't agree with him, much less when people he thinks are very likely scum being placed in a town group

Lay off or back off. Which ever one suits you better. How are we playing dumb? Go on enlighten me please. I'll be awaiting it. Why don't you try explaining to us why you think we are scum. Clearly everyone disagrees and that little argument helps no one.

So defensive.

I think ya'lls vote on Nacho was rather opportunistic. Nacho already had 3 votes on him. You laid down a 4th vote supposedly oblivious to the budding Nacho wagon, which is something that seems like it would be easy to fake. And then when I call you on it you minorly flip out and pull out the "hey look over there" defense by telling me that I should look at bcade.

In 844 you (and by you I mean your hydra) "Mala says that Mollie caught something interesting that I had personally over looked. I do agree with her in that, it's a good point and it has to do with the entire Indie battle you had with her"

Which I find needlessly vague. I see no reason for you (supposedly as town) and Mara to withhold what you "caught" and be sneaky and secretive.

AND THEN

I get this super cheeky evasive response from Mara in 1114.

Cuz

Which just makes my blood boil. This whole immature/snarky/defensive thing seems to be in vogue these days but I'll never ever like it and each time I see it from you or Mollie or Arc or whoever the fuck, I cry a lil' inside.

As for my read on you. I think your play has been pretty scummy. I don't think that

everyone

has a town read at you and those that do have it 'cause of meta. I have never played with Mala and my experience with Mara is limited so I'm willing to listen to other players that have more experience with ya'll and besides you are helping me kill Nachoscum so you get to ride in my null pile until I find out that this is multiball.

prod Nero Cain, guy is lurky as fuck

He is just beyond annoyed at this point. His scum read on us has digressed to the fact that we aren't really working with him, which is Natural thought progression from Nero

in the game we played together, he had a hard-on for the Ffery/Ineffective Hydra, and that was mostly due to the fact that he thought their attack on us was terrible, and not town like. He kept telling me that, if they are town they are dumb town

Nero Cain
05-23-2013
02:01 PM ET (US) + NEC vote on us right after I voted scumTIP may actually be a chainsaw.

Nero Cain
05-16-2013
04:53 PM ET (US)
but I still don't like what NEC is doing one bit. Their play this game is utterly horrible.

And the fact they thost two were so quick to post and respond it the early game but now are kinda lurkish is meh.

Nero Cain
05-18-2013
08:57 PM ET (US) But both EMP and BB think NEC is scum. Do you think we are just all idiots?
(his response to me saying that NEC is defs not scum)

Nero Cain (01:03)
if it was Aeries and it's an LLD alt it might be a scumtell
Nero Cain (01:08)
though I remember Aeries being a lil'...idk...passive

(part of our night talk of that game. Nero was starting to doubt Aeries town, Aeries was one of our attackers D1)

If I were scum, I'd kill B&TB (nudge, nudge scum)

Humorously challenging scum to use WIFOM to implicate him tomorrow. this post is definitely not coming from a town mindset

that's right. I'm busted.

Humourus humor, though at he same time he is starting to give a shit of what others think, especially those who aren't town reading him because their thoughts are useless to him

In post 2638, Nero Cain wrote:So its scummy that I asked Khan why he finds me scummy for something that others are doing? That's scumhunting.


No, that's deflecting. I'm not even sure how you could confuse the 2.

So answering the question and telling him why I have such a belief and then asking him why he has such a belief is a deflection? No its not, that's a normal conversation.

As an example, what Mollie did is a deflection. Answering a question is not a deflection.

In post 2691, Nero Cain wrote:What do you think of Bulb and Moz claiming that I'm deflecting away from said question but still answering it? I don't even know how that works.

I never said that you were deflecting the question. You can answer a question but still desire attention to be diverted away from you. You essentially said, "Hey, those guys are just as scummy as I am. Look at them."

So, I know that I'm town and instead of telling KK that I'm town and to stop wasting time on me I should have....let him keep wasting his time on me? That's horrible as fuck 'cause it allows your buddies (assuming you are scum) to skate by and attempt to avoid detection. I wanted to know why KK found me scummy for something that others are doing.

If I found you scummy for lurking, wouldn't you want to know why I specifically find you scummy for lurking but not others?

I actually think he has a valid point here.

ok, I see despo's calm now.

My vig kill on ffulisade also failed last night but my role isn't a killing role so that's prob why it didn't go through.

<<< Deleted double-post. >>>

Do I even need to say why I think this post is a town post?

I have a question Bulb. I'm obviously a scum read for you since I "deflected" a question. Yesterday, I had felt that AK laid down a pretty opportunistic vote and she goes all "hey look at Bacde's vote!!!"

Why is my deflect scummy but hers isn't?

Also, the guy (KK) who asked me the question that I "deflected" doesn't even think I was deflecting. What do you think about that?

and I think He had another really valid point here I think. His "deflection and Mala's "deflection" are of the same flavor

Tbh: I have a hard time reading Ceph.

It's not that he's not likely as scum. It's that I don't see him as scum.

Ryu, hmm. Now THERE is a likely scum if I ever saw one.

Don't want to vote him just yet though. Ryu, what do you have to say to this?

.....................damn it, Ryu.

That's just too cute.

What?

I don't want to lynch Ryu.

Haven't looked into every possibility yet but for now,

VOTE: Haylen

I like this

I nominate you to be the leader of the "blue scum finding town faction"

So why are you not voting this?

Valid point.

I personally have him as null, that's Mala's read and I'm to lazy to search skype just to find the answer

This looks like a lie.

list of shared reads.

Mala's idea, not mine

Town

ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie) - town

Slandaar

Bulbazak

CrashTextDummie

Lean-town

ArcAngel9 [1] - Null-town

Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - leaning town

ThAdmiral

Bacde

Nachomamma8

PeregrineV

thezmon221

null

Thor665

Desperado

penguin_alien

Haylen (Mala thinks Fuzzy is scum, I think haylen is town)

EddieFenix

lean-scum

Kublai Khan

Seanald

Scum

Nero Cain

Cephir

~Mara

In the bolded, you said these were shared reads. You then claim that I’m

NOT

a shared read. OK. In that reads list you specifically stated that you two had different views on FuzzyHaylen. Why was I not given this some luxury?

He had a decent point here too I guess. He's basically confused with this list of reads, tries to figure out how this list was made, and is irritated that someone else was given treatment that isn't extended to everyone on that list. Specifically him

lol. AK hammered. I am so fake vigging that tonight.

Translation: AK is scum, nuff. said

also, it's done humorously

but Nero isn't scum. How can he explain something that isn't true?

Nero still irritated that people aren't reading him town, as town.

Also, it's like deflectception with you... Do you think that Kitty's scummy, and you want me to look at her instead? Is that it?

I don't think you know what a deflection is. Asking a player a question to see if their reads are manufactured or genuine is not a deflection. You can't both deflect and answer a question at the same time.

Am I supposed to base my scumhunting on what someone else thinks now? That's a sad defense. "Well, he doesn't think so, therefore it's not valid." Let's stick with the actual points, shall we.

Also, there are a lot of other things going on, why are you obsessed with something that is admittedly minor in the grand scheme of this game, instead of paying attention to what is going on now and actively scumhunting?

KK is a pretty strong town read for you. I would think you might listen to your town reads.

And if think that I haven't been scumhunting this game then you are a moron.

I really like this post. There are so many town driven actions here, it isn't even funny

The big difference between this quote and what you did is in tone. Kitty's question is more about the standards of the one questioning her, rather than pointing attention towards someone who did something similar. She is also not as offended with the inquiry as you were when Khan asked his question. Finally, in this instance, she is actually being called scum by you, whereas Khan was just asking a simple question and had not made any accusation, which makes your freakout even more suspicious.

And for those who are curious themselves, here is Nero's response to Khan again:

In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

You think there's a difference in our "deflects" 'cause I'm calling her scum?!? But this is still very much incorrect. The Mala head DID have a scum read on me and Mara was even ok with it until recently.

Kitty did the EXACT same thing as me. I called her fourth vote on Nacho (and her "oh I didn't know there was a Nacho wagon") opportunistic. Her questioning me about why I didn't call out Bcade for his 5th vote (despite him already being on the wagon therefore he wasn't the 5th vote) is no different then my questioning KK over why he didn't question others that were setup speculating.

Also, context says that Khan was light calling me scummy.

I agree with him here actually.

.....................

my point is that there's no reason at all to suspect me other than the fact that I suspect both of you so it looks like nothing more than OMGUS. wHY DO YOU SUSPECT ME bACDE?

I dunno, I don't particularly suspect you beyond OMGUS (especially because I don't understand why you have had a continuing suspicion of me for a few days)

but Nacho is a good scumhunter, and he suspects you

so I figure if we flip nacho and he winds up town you'd be a good vig shot

but I'm willing to substitute in your place its not a big deal especially since I'm pretty sure nacho is scum

are you being defensive right now? Its hard for me to tell whats going on inside your head

yep, only town would want to get mislynched/vigged. I'm so scummy for not wanting to waste a lynch/vig shot.

This whole "Nacho is a good scumhunter so he as town has to be correct about Nero." is nothing but a big pile of bullshit and potential chain lynching. It also seems incredibly lazy.

Who are your top 4 scum reads?

His little conversation here with Bacde is him being fed up with "Stupid people" but even so, he tries to communicate with him showing that he is actually going to work with who he thinks is on his team, regardless of how he thinks of them.

Would you hush?

Nero lot liking his town-play being criticized, regardless of how true it is. Town Pride, and coupled with the fact that there is no scum motivation to say this but fair amount of town one.

his reasons for suspecting people aren't the best and he often thinks that the most anti-town player is scummy.

Somewhere over in MD Mastin has said two things, that town will always post scummy things and that what's scummy for one player isn't always scummy for another player.

I mean maybe my tells are a lil' dated since site meta seems to have shifted to "I'm going to play scummy regardless, now guess my alignment." Fuck, even OS (and Mastin?) has said he plays a little (I think its more like ALOT) scummy as town.

As for OS, I think I made it clear that he was prob town but that I didn't actually care if he died.

but whatever, I don't give a fuck what you think.

[/quote]
Denying that he cares about something, no scum motivation for this.

.........................................................................................

WORST TOWN EVER!!!!

I'm being voted for a bunch of fucking nothingness. Jesus Christ.

Frustrated that he still isn't being town read...

Nero, you say Bulbazak defended something from AK that he found scummy on you. Given that you are obviously different players, and

we have 4000+ posts to work with

, why would you expect him to respond to both of you in the exact same way?

I don't understand what the bolded has to do with anything 'cause Bulb is arguing that my asking KK why he was specifically reading my setup speculation as scum but AK asking my why I wasn't scumreading Bacde for his "5th opportunistic vote" This is apples to apples and Bulb is trying to make it look like apples to oranges

Actually I said this to Mara after the Donner Party game ended. There was something similar that was said here to something said there. Bulb had a total different reaction to it here which made me lean town on him mainly because he was SK in DP.

Why are you being intentionally vague here...again?

Yeah, CTD in combination with Nacho is pretty persuasive. And active scum is more dangerous to us than scum that's been MIA for a week+ if they're both scum.

UNVOTE: Seanald
VOTE: Nero Cain

lol no.

First of all, there is no "they are both scum". Its either Sean is scum or neither of us is scum. 2nd of all I really hate this "I'm going to proxy my vote". Not saying that town can't sheep but really, its just allowing scum to blend in.

This post reeks of genuineness.

[Amethyst Kitty]

you don't have any credibility to put on the line

With Mollie? yes I do

[Amethyst Kitty]

Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?

No, I'm using it as a relative tell.

Nice misrep though

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

The Humor is a relative town-tell, not a straight out town-tell. The misrep lies in the fact that you are stating the "humor as a town tell" is being used as something universal, when it's really obvious that I'm applying it to solely him.

Being intentionally obtuse like that is a pretty reliable scum-tell I think

~Mara

Pedit: Buzzword Bingo?

<<< Oh, god. The horror. WHY. WHY DID YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT?!? >>>

Don't deflect shit

[Amethyst Kitty]

Oh damn, Just looked up buzzword bingo and my stuff is far from bullshit

[Amethyst Kitty]

mollliiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee

[Amethyst Kitty]

and what are your thoughts on the Seanald wagon Nero? because I don't like how it was formed at all.

Mollie, I don't particularly find anything appealing in his content, looking more closely at his posts

and most of his analyzing came when he started being attacked.

I will put my own Credibility on the line for This Khan lynch

[Amethyst Kitty]

No

I'm saying that, from an outsiders view point I can see how the actions Nero is doing and some of the actions that Mala and I are doing can be seen in similar lighting. I don't see how you can see Mala trying to back down from mollie and Nero trying to get people to look at us differently as two different things.

Objectionably, they are the same thing.

I'm also pretty sure you called my reads Bad when I accused Jen and TAM/Lurker scum in the nightless game bulb, and you were pretty set on DBG scum when I wasn't. who's to say that something similar isn't happening here?

[Amethyst Kitty]

You ignoring my nightless game comparison?

ok, cool :/

and you were talking about how Nero trying to deflect attention off himself and onto someone else was scummy, though when Nero brings up the fact that Mala was trying to do the exact same thing ( and from a third person's view, I can see how it can look like that) you say that it isn't the same thing.

Nero brought up two points against us; his deflection and our deflection as well as me being the 4th to vote Nacho and his fourth vote on a wagon, and how that isn't scummy for us to be doing it, yet it's scummy for him to do the same thing.

It's those two points that I think he has valid reasoning over.

Nero isn't scum, meanwhile why don't you give me a town-case on Khan like I had asked from people who were town-reading him

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nacho, have you read my list yet?

why Peregrine?

Nero, will you sheep me?

I will love you forever if you did

I also need Mara and Despo to talk to me about PA's play in WWE. Is this different?

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

Hell if I remember, I was in what? 3 large games simultaneously at the point that thing was running, maybe 4? I barely remember what mastin, AP, and Nacho was stating, let alone Penguin who's flip I can't even recall, why? does it feel like the same penguin to you Nero?

not particularly. His whole lurky/not going to defend myself could be scum laying back and using that to defend himself.

There are already 2 votes and Bulb and both you and Slandaar are calling him scum. I feel like Mara might be ok with a bulb lynch. I think PA has said that I made some good points. That's 6 right there and if we can convince one more person then we can lynch him.

Uhh... no? I have been kinda town-reading him all game and I'm pretty sure Mala has been to.

over seanald though? maybe

back to khan. I am not address all of your points and I hope that won't annoy you. I keep going back to khan shutting down fery's attempts to form a town core and I don't like it. when he did this fery and I more or less chalked it up to him being concerned but his actions do not reflect that concern cos he seems to be voting with people who he thinks are town in lieu of coming up with an independent case of his own.

Guess I'll survive :/

but this means you guys think Khan trying to break down the town core as scum-motivated? He doesn't like Ffery's town core, but is trying to put himself in another?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Despo #4495 reminds me a lot like Adam's post in Jiffy's game.

@Fery:

You and Mollie were agreeing we were town read to you guys at some point? Can you explain that further please?

~

[Amethyst Kitty]

Despo #4495 reminds me a lot like Adam's post in Jiffy's game.

@Fery:

You and Mollie were agreeing we were town read to you guys at some point? Can you explain that further please?

~

first off which post of adam's I mean adam had like 600 posts in that game but you seem to have a specific 1 in mind. so can you post it here and compare? cos I think desperado and adam are as different as night and day like I don't think desp is a dickhead at all. tbh that comparison looks like you are talking out of your ass and throwing mud to see what sticks.

you are also being needy as hell with these freaking inane questions and I mean the both of you. and ftr I haven't moved you to my town pile cos I did not wake you up when you went apeshit, you had already posted a good 15 minutes before you posted in this game in another part of the board. so you were lying about that and it still isn't sitting right with me.

my gawd Mollie.

This was towards Fery. She made a comment towards Nacho and I read it once upon a time you guys shared a read on us that was not-scum. So I asked for explanation.

I guess it's not the same. I swear I thought he did spoilers like Despo did, but he didn't. So forget it.

You know what you

~

[Amethyst Kitty]

You know what you did this recently in a finished game where people accused you of playing to your scum meta (lurking and passive) and you went apeshit there. How about you calm down and admit I go apeshit when people don't give me enough time to move from game to game.

Yay for candlejack!!!

~

[Amethyst Kitty]

I didn't ignore it. >.>

I said nevermind because it's not as alike as I thought it was. it's similar, but different at the same time. You did spoilers.. he didn't..

Talking about an open game where both Mollie and I let an obv scum slide x.x

~

[Amethyst Kitty]

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

I was asking Fery the question anyways, not you.

~

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nero, Seanald or Bulb?

I really hate you all right now. No joke

[Amethyst Kitty]

They are all town though

[Amethyst Kitty]

They are all town, and I'm not gonna have myself sit on a mislynch especially when plurality is in effect.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Also, AK I thought we were in the middle of a conversation or something? What happened?

- f

Mala is currently trying to die. My head is hurting so damn bad from this cold I'm on like 3 meds and nothing is helping. Nor is looking at the computer/phone screen.

We can continue this friday at the earliest before I go on vacation..

My main question was when was the first time you started to town read us?

(I did a candlejack one of my other posts so that "you know" was an accidental mistype with not a complete thought.


~

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hey, Hey

Peregrine

wanna follow me onto Khan?

also, why is Nacho Scum?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hate you all

VOTE: Slandaar

we better be going after Khan tomorrow

[Amethyst Kitty]

FFS

someone give me someone to sheep who isn't Nacho or Bulb or Nero or Ffery/mollie or Bacde

Mala is out of commission for a while so...

[Amethyst Kitty]

There are only 15 players left in the game and you want someone to sheep who isn't four of the most sheepable players and Nero for some reason?

Dunno if I can help you there, maybe try scumhunting?

I meant to sheep onto. I am not going to vote any of those players, but I wouldn't mind following them

in fact I was blocked from being investigated as well, what role does that?

AK just had her strongest scum read flip town. AK also urged the town to look into the neighborhoods, and she got her wish. I would very much like a little more input from her than just announcing a willingness to sheep.

Vote: Nero Cain

Yeah, what's the point of pointing this out?

RE, the neighbor thing, I don't want to go into that yet as Mala was the one to bring it up and I am unsure of who specifically to look at in there. There prolly is scum in the neighbor pairs, though I am unsure as to where

Mara! What are you thinking for today?

Khan is scum and the mod lied to us about both his alignment and his role
how sheepable that Pere vote looks, and the reasons behind it. I am confused to why he's voting you though, it doesn't make sense to me.
how the recent bulb posts are making me question my read on him

I mean, I don't mind sticky reads. I can be pretty bad in that area, so Bulb having terrible reads that are sticky isn't my concern but I feel like he is trying to over-justify his list

I don't like Rena 4873 and it looks like an excuse to why she is still alive at this point.

could live with a desp lynch I think. I don't get why he doesn't fight to get his top two scum lynches pushed, ever I mean he's made a bigger case on Thad than on us and he didn't even touch upon Ceph as far as I could remember.

I also don't get how he went from will maybe lynch Seanald, us, and Thad while having Ceph in the maybe lynch pile to wanting to see us and Ceph dead come deadline

[Amethyst Kitty]

Rena, what result did you get night 1?

I got a nobody visited the Om Hydra result.

@ Penguin - you are essentially asking me why I did not receive a result. How am I supposed to know why I didn't get one? I'm not a mind reader. I just send an action in and receive a reply later. If I knew why I didn't receive anything, it would make the game way too easy and we might as well be playing an open setup.

If I missed anything aimed at myself, direct me to the question. Nero said I'm not answering his questions but I can't find them.

More in a bit.

Can you please explain the difference in your activity before and after you claimed? You were actually reading town prior to claiming and now that you claimed you are barely around and barely posting. Why the difference? I'm sure as hell not going to let you skate. This is reminding me of a lot like Messiah in GoW where he skated prior to claiming and continued to skate after claiming.

[Amethyst Kitty]

@HD:

Is there any way you can explain on the Mala meta part more? Did he give you specifics or was it just a gut feel?

@Despo:

I'm not going to go back and forth with you again about the replacement out. It wasn't faked and it wasn't for any type of cred. I was pissed off at Mollie and I would have rather replaced out then lost a friendship, but Mara was able to calm me down after the fact, but yes I was really replacing out. Hopefully soon you'll meet a player where you treasure their friendship over some silly ingame fight that has no meaning.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Oh hey, Mala posted

I'll be around to respond and post tuesday/wednesday

consider this V/LA on my end until then

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

He got a town role PM.

go get some original content.

Also why is it the first time it didn't read genuine to you, but the second time it did?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hopefully soon you'll meet a player where you treasure their friendship over some silly ingame fight that has no meaning.

That was new.

And genuine as hell.

Yeah, that part was the only new thing. I'm sorry I get cranky when I have to say the same thing over again when I'm not being listened too. Don't take it personally.

I suppose Kublai Khan could have protected a VT claim, which would let Rena have been blocked. I don't love it, but I suppose it works.

PV, do you still trust ThAd? Do you think he trusts you?

Forgot, UNVOTE: Rena

??

??

@HD:

Okay. I was wondering because I know OM from playing that he uses gut a lot or attempts to try and give meta reasons. I'm surprised he didn't, but it's all good.

@Fery:

Can you explain why you don't like PereV.

I can't ever read him because he lurks hardcore as town or scum.

@Whoeverthismayconcern:

I don't know what Mara thinks, but I'm totes up for lynching Rena today. She's skatey like a string ray. It rubs me hella wrong.

@PereV:

What is he supposed to be looking at in Marketplace Mafia II? I remember playing that vaguely. >.>

[Amethyst Kitty]

Despo. I love you for that. Priceless.

[Amethyst Kitty]

could someone be an angel and give me the neighborhood pairings?

<<< The only Angel in this town died last night. Geez, doesn't anybody read the flavor? >>>

[Amethyst Kitty]

Cephrir
PeregrineV (DLG)
penguin_alien (Baby Spice)
Seanald
Rena(/Haylen) (fuzzybutternut)

all remaining scum is somewhere in this group I think

[Amethyst Kitty]

Heyheyhey

I'll be around tomorrow so can we please not lynch Bulb before then?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

We should still be lynching Bulb, even if he's town he'll be nothing but a distraction/no one will miss him.

I'll miss him. He's just as Obv town as you are Nero

6 more hours~~

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Will you be around then Nacho?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Although I can answer that my PV scumread is in between MM and RayFrost, leaning more towards an MM scumread.

Can this be put in terms that I understand?

[Amethyst Kitty]

ok uh...

Nacho's answer would have sufficed

What about CTD do you not like Nacho? I still think he's town, though I don't think he's been as transparently genuine as he was earlier on in the game.

If there is scum within the Neighbors, I would say scum would be in Peregrine or Seanald though Peregrine replaced DLG and I can't really get over how genuine his posts looked no matter how much Peregrine pings for me.

I also do know that genuine reads as scum isn't impossible, though is DLG the type of person to do that kind of thing?

[Amethyst Kitty]

also, how town do you think Bulb is?

I have alot of mixed feelings regarding him

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nacho is scummy for trying to push lynches, like the latest one:

Umm...

how is that scummy?

and what is your read on us? I was basically doing the exact same thing to now flipped town yet you havn't called me out on it?

VOTE: Rena

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

We have 8 days before deadline. I'm in no hurry to move my vote. Let's talk.

6 days before deadline and no additional people have promised to lynch Nero Cain with you.
While if you come over here we can have Thad, Baezu and Amethyst Kitty and actually get a lynch. How much longer are you going to try to push your vanity wagon through?

lolololol


Vanity Wagon

Both wagon leaders have their votes idling on vanity wagons and won't vote Thor; Drummer and HD won't budge because they have no sense of pragmatism. I'm not going to play this game forever.

Nacho is so town.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Cephrir
PeregrineV (DLG)
penguin_alien (Baby Spice)
Seanald
Rena(/Haylen) (fuzzybutternut)

all remaining scum is somewhere in this group I think

Scum-list, recently I might add CTD But I kinda don't wanna. Mala has been having reservations on Fuzzy all game, and despite how much I wanna believe Fuzzy was town, Rena's recent play has made me reconsider a bit. I doubt she's lying about being a watcher, but I don't think she's a town watcher

[Amethyst Kitty]

Bulbie really shouldn't be getting lynched

[Amethyst Kitty]

In 15 days, let's sum up your scumhunting:
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
from 37 posts.

So, make a significant contribution or get vigged.

This is Ironic, really, really Ironic

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nero

Stop, please

Pretty, pretty please?

Nacho isn't scum, I was wrong about that earlier but people can be wrong and still be town

[Amethyst Kitty]

Bulb

[Amethyst Kitty]

Leave Nero alone

He's town

[Amethyst Kitty]

and Rena is scum, you can't not lynch a person just because they are an investigative or a PR

[Amethyst Kitty]

and the game isn't run on logic

not all the time

look at Slenderman mafia

Pedit: what do you think of Nacho's "Rena claimed, but is still not doing any contribution and doesn't have any information yet" case because I think it's a good reason

[Amethyst Kitty]

Town:

Bulb

: Easily one of the most engaged people in the game I think. Stronger read for me, a weaker one for Mala. I really like his questions and him trying to understand the mindset of others. the fact that he keeps returning to his original reads, to me reads that he trusts his reads more than he trusts others and is constantly re-finding his center in the game.

along with that, all his emotions, and his fustration especially regarding us is genuine as fuck.

[Amethyst Kitty]

*sigh*

I wanted to push Seanald cause I swore he was scum and got fought a lot. Damn it to hell. There was something in Day 1 which reeked as a scum slip. Fml.

Explain the votes guys.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Also Peng is scum guys!

VOTE: peng

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie

can you tell these guys to screw off? I'm town. I wanted Seanald dead and then the CW of Slandaar appeared.

I'm also thinking PereV as scum over CTD.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I mostly think Thad is scum for his fakeclaim.

Nacho is scummy for trying to push lynches, like the latest one:

PV you wanna vote Rena?

If Rena flips town like she claimed, I'm putting my vote here tomorrow.

You know what? I've reread the last few pages and I do think rena is leaning more town for me.

I think scum is hiding in the current wagons.

Really thinking Seanald and Nacho are scum. I'm changing my vote to:

VOTE: Seanald

because of a lot of things, not the least of which is this gem:

Why didn't you join any of the wagons yesterday penguin, your entire play yesterday boiled down to just posturing.

Desp, why not vote for Sean today?

Because everything Rena has said today has d fake/like she isn't reading the thread, despite her having an extremely powerful role that entirely depends on her ability to read the game and predict the scum's behavior. Her posts don't give any indication that she's capable of that, or even interested in doing so...which means she's faking it.

A role is only as good as the player. This player has no clue how to play this role, so she's playing it as vanilla. As I have said already.

Okay, I'm convinced. This is definitely coming from scum! I'm new too. I don't know how to play half the time either, but at least I don't play my PRs as VT. That's the point of having a PR. and it's fun to use your abilities. If you can't see that - you must not be a PR.

VOTE: Rena

Agreed

VOTE: amethystkitty

Oh do please enlighten me on all of these posts/votes Beazu.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I also think Bulba is town.

Also Despo MOLLIE/FFLLISADE IS NOT FREAKING SCUM.

[Amethyst Kitty]

@ thad

come here honey you are starting to worry me a bit.

also why did baezu sub in if all he is going to do is immediately go on v/la and try to lurk out the rest of the game?

no

HELL NO

y'all don't make me use the shouty font

VOTE: baezu

How am I lurking? I've posted at least daily since getting back from V/la. Also, this is Bacde's slot. If you didn't have him as scum it means I'm not scum.

sorry AM. just trying to apply pressure. You're town - you're not getting lynched

Peregrine jumping on the wagon without explanation though is superscummy.

VOTE: Peregrine

I agree Baezu what is this?

You know this wagon was building sorta "fast" you could have accidentally lynched us on "pressure". Your vote was cheeky and opportunistic as hell.

You think he's red scum Bulb? Because I'm pretty sure I was wrong about one of CTD/ffullisade and that they are red scum

I think he's the last blue scum hiding in the neighborhoods.

Why do you think mafia are two teams of three?

I have to agree there is scum between the other two neighborhoods. (If there isn't I'll smack Mastin once I die).

ThAd.. Why don't you think there are two teams of 3 for each mafia?...

@Mastin:

Mara is on V/LA or something til Tuesday. So I guess I'm taking over til then?

<<< Ah, okay. Was not aware. Sorry. >>>

I'm very, very close to voting Pere, but the ONE thing that makes me not think he's scum is the type of content, but I think I need to meta him because it's been ages since I played with town-Pere.

UNVOTE: Peng

I'm starting to again distrust my scum-read on Peng.

Peng if you are town work with me here, PLEASE.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Alright, I'm a bit burnt out from reading about 25-26 pages, so I'll pick it up later (as in, in an hour or two probably). I suppose I'll give a general list of my reads on everyone. I'm not going to include a basis for them, and probably won't provide it right now because I've only read half the game thus far and will probably have another 5-10 pages by the time I read page 54. It's not in any particular order.

Spoiler: Reads

TOWN

ArcAngel

BeautyAndTheBeast
Cephrir

Slandaar

DLG
Bulbazak

Red Ryu

Amethyst Kitty

NULL
CrashTextDummie

Nero Cain

Bacde

Seanald

Om The Destroyer
Baby Spice
Desperado

Syryana
Kublai Khan

SCUM

fuzzybutternut
Oversoul

Nachomomma8
ActionDan

EddieFenix
Thor665

Just about all of my reads are pretty weak. I'll have a good feeling for the game hopefully before I actually hit this page.

Alright so won't lie I been using this to try and figure out who's on his team and who's not and who's on the other team.

I think I told Mara that his other team mate is probably in Nulls and maybe town list.

Also PereV has been hunting for "red" mafia all game rather than hunting for both mafia scum teams. At first he started out hunting for "blue scum" and ignoring red, but now he has moved onto red scum hunting.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Ones I'm going to go out on a limb and call town:
18.

ArcAngel9

6. Bacde (roflcopter)
7. Bulbazak - I thought this was the Bulb hydra. I'll have to look him opver again.
8. Desperado
12. ThAdmiral (ActionDan, Hanzo_5)
13.

Rena(/Haylen) (fuzzybutternut)

15. Amethyst Kitty [hydra]

Probably town:
5.

Nero Cain

9. penguin_alien (Baby Spice)
2. Cephrir

Null: Kiss my ass. This is 185 page game- there are no nulls at this point.

<<< I admit it, I lol'd. >>>

Slight suspicions on:
14.

Kublai Khan (Rondar)

16. ffullisade [hydra]
17. Human Destroyer (Om the Destroyer [hydra])
1. CrashTextDummie

Strongly leaning scum:
10.

Slandaar

11.

Seanald

3. Nachomamma8

I also like the concept of a killer per neighborhood. I guess there could be 6 town neighbors in a 24 player game, but does anyone believe that?

no. I used to auto town read neighbors 'cause I was in so many games where the neighbors would read each other as scum that mods probs started doing town-town neighborhoods just to fuck with town.

What you are suggesting is that 3 of the 6 neighbors are scum which...just holy chain lynching batman. I deff think that all 6 neighbors aren't town. I also think its a good possibility that 1 hood could contain more than 1 scum.

Actually, I think ThAd is the vig, and there is a red scum in another neighborhood and a blue scum in another neighborhood.

So if you do PoE now PereV why aren't you going after CTD instead of us?

If you know you are town and you think ThAd is town. Slandaar flipped town, Seanald flipped scum. Despo is probably not scum. Which just leaves CTD,

[Amethyst Kitty]

Don't misrep me. I never said I wanted CTD lynched. if I did my vote would be on him which it isn't.

I don't see how you

aren't

following PoE and going by your own reads if you think there's still scum left over in the 'hoods.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Spoiler:

OK,

Amethyst Kitty

Mala, let's chat. The Seanald wagon basically sprung up at a time when you weren't posting. I still disagree that you were vehemently pushing for his lynch in recent days, but I'll work from giving you the benefit of the doubt that you would have preferred that wagon to Rena.

Having said that, what's your take on the Seanald wagon?

That is, in fact, the hammer. Hold, please. Got some bookkeeping to do.

One-Hundred-Forty-Second Votecount

:

(Twenty-Fourth and Final Votecount of Day Four,

AKA, the "But now he is!" votecount.

)

Seanald - 8 (penguin_alien, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, ffullisade, Bulbazak, Desperado, Rena, CrashTextDummie)

Bulbazak - 4 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, Human Destroyer)

Rena - 2 (Amethyst Kitty, Baezu)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (PeregrineV)

Which of these votes do you find scummy, specifically on the wagon? Since of those off it who are living and assuming you're town, we have:

ThAd, HD, Baezu, and PV. That's a small group to hold minimum two red scum, possibly three depending on team size. Plus I tend to think ThAd is a vig, albeit one whose shots haven't gone off. Which reduces the pool to HD, Baezu, and PV. It makes me think there's a red scum on the wagon.

WRT ThAd being a vig, yes, it could be a scum gambit, but in that case I'd expect him to kiss up to his neighbor instead of being paranoid of PV being scum. Ignoring him in the night phase doesn't seem like scum playing a role. He'd want to work on convincing PV he was a vig rather than alienating him.

Fixed first of all.

I agree I was not at all around on hydra wise or even remotely reading the thread when it appeared. Honestly it should have happened the day Slandaar was lynched, but it got derailed. I would have preferred that wagon to Rena a whole lot better as I was seeing Seanald as scum from Day 1, but Mara and I were arguing the shit about it. I never once said I was pushing it "vehemently" because I couldn't change our vote the first time the wagon appeared because Mara locked us into a 1v1 with KK (>.>).

Bulba is probably town. I'm going to keep saying this until everyone sees it.

When the wagon of Seanald was up (not the day he was lynched)

Seanald - 6 (PeregrineV,

ArcAngel9

, ThAdmiral, Desperado, penguin_alien, Cephrir)

Compared to what you linked {Seanald - 8 (penguin_alien, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, ffullisade, Bulbazak, Desperado,

Rena

, CrashTextDummie)}

I got a feeling that both you and Despo are town. Mollie side of the hydra has been a town read for me since Day 1 and I do think Nacho is town.

Neither of these wagons look at all similar as you, Cephrir, and Despo are the only three who were both on it between the two days.

I do think PereV is scum, but I'm not sure if he's Red scum. He's likely blue scum. I could see Cephrir flipping red scum though because he is in prime shape for busing right here.

I'm kinda really starting to warm up to ThAd being town. I do have a decent relative-scum-tell on him (thanks to Mollie) and other than the possible beginning of what I pointed out he hasn't done it again. I noticed when we were town in TfT that he kept throwing off this relative-scum-tell like wildfire.

As much as Beazu is spazzy - He could be town. This is really on gut even though he's been annoying me with what he's been doing today.

HD is the one in question. I had a decent town-read on that slot due to OM, but since OM is gone and HD hasn't been posting much it's gone stale.

CTD I'm kinda up in the air on, tbf.

So scum-town read list looks like this:


PereV
Cephrir


HD
CTD
Peng

Beazu
ThAd
Nacho
Bulba
Despo
Fflus

Now it's raised in good question whether or not we have 4 players on each scum team. With the size of the game it's very possible, but I'm not sure. I guess we could figure it out if we managed to lynch another blue and the other two reds.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I think AK might be scum. It seems that suspcion on her results in the players death.

Spoiler: Selected postings of Thor chasing Amethyst Kitty

I'm vaguely town-reading Thor

What changed, scumCat?

But, taking this trip through your ISO reminded me that I'm unclear on a majority of your stances on players. Can I get your T-->S list?

I hate those and consider them dumb.
Here are just reads;

1. thezmon221 - null
2. CrashTextDummie [1] - townish leaning a touch null
3. Cephir - null leaning a touch scum
4. Nachomamma8 - townish
5. PeregrineV - Eh, I seem to recall DLG as being scummish - so, scummish.
6. Nero Cain - townish (very ish)
7. Bacde - null
8. EddieFenix - null
9. Bulbazak - town
11. Red Ryu - scummish
12. Syryana - null
13. Desperado - null
14. penguin_alien - null
15. Slandaar - scummy
16. Oversoul - townish
17. Seanald - scummy
18. ThAdmiral - town
19. Haylen - null
20. Kublai Khan - town
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal) - scummy
22. !BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie) - scummy
23. Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - town
24. ArcAngel9 [1] - town

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

Amethyst also sidled away from this question.
I know now you're thinking the slot looks townish, or at least less scummish, but I still want this answered.

Not necessarily, I just don't see why you would find him town.

It's gut at the moment, he feels like he's legit working, not fake working.

Yes, it is consistent.

She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?

Let's be peaches together.

Unvote: Haylen
Vote: AmethystKitten

So if you have a townread on me and a scumread on mollie and I'm calling mollie town, that's not a good thing.

I don't really have a legit town read on you.
I have a 'I don't think his bad play is proof he's scum' read on you.
But I'm willing to see the links you'll show me.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

<<< The spirits of the citizens were lifted by them finally making progress, but with night having fallen, they never knew what was in store for them the next day. All the thrilling adventures of bullets flying and corpses falling! Not to mention, that one drunken fool ranting and shouting in a loud voice, wandering about.

"YOU YOUNG RASCALS MOVE TOO QUICKLY! Back in MY day, we could have civilized conversations, and be intuitive about them. Why, even in my inebriated state of mind, I am still twice the man you are! I can hold my liquor, I have standards, and I don't go wasting my money on some trivial things! I am a sexy seductive man, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT! But I don't let my ego get in the way of CONVERSATION, YE DARN FOOLS. If you had taken your time, MAYBE we could have gotten MORE than just what we did, AND YET you were SO determined to WASTE your lives that YOU RUSHED into WHAAT SHOULDA BEEN SIMMPLE. So I SWEAR TO MY BEARD THAT--"

*piff*

Finally. Something shut him up.

And with that, everyone could get a peaceful night of sleep. Bad things might still be happening, but the future looks bright. Soon, the streets could be cleared of the wretched scum, fellows who could sneak into a house and rob the residents blind without causing any alarm.

...In fact, they're clear of one such fellow, unlucky enough to have been startled by the shouting of a lunatic drunk. In the streets, he was vulnerable to being gunned down. The citizens of the street would rejoice come morning.




...Until they learned that "could sneak in and rob a person blind" doesn't translate into "actually does sneak in and rob a person blind". Certainly this young fellow had sneaked into houses, but not with malevolent intent. An ex-thief who had retired to the streets because they were peaceful, this man was clearly upset to see the things he despised about himself re-lived in front of him from an outside perspective. But the real giveaway that he was no threat? His identity is made clear as

Eddie Fenix

, a teacher...at a police academy. He had turned his life around and been reborn as an upstanding citizen, and thus, was of no threat.

Though not quite as much of an upset, the people are still saddened to learn the method by which the crazy drunkard many of them secretly enjoyed the musings of had been silenced. Shot point-blank with a silencer, Papa

Thor665

lay dead, his horned helmet not offering him the invulnerability of the god (and simultaneously, devil) he claimed to be.

Still, life goes on, and a new day has dawned. What's the worst that could happen?

(Oh, dear...)

>>>

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

,

Shot Night Two

.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Smurfed Night Two

.

Day three dawns with 18 remaining.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Selected postings of Khan chasing Amethyst Kitty

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

If you're going to make this (bad) point, why leave off the BeautyAndTheBeast vote? It followed the Cephrir vote and had the same general format {no other comment except vote}.

Why not include the other couple of votes on the same page?

its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Why did an OS wagon pop up?

He's been the scummiest player all game.

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Vote Nero, People. There IS An OS Alternative.

Why do you do shit like this? You were voting Oversoul, then you jumped off and are promoting a counter-wagon. All of this without any post by Oversoul? WTF?

If you don't think Oversoul is scum, then why did you vote for him at all?

If you say that this is a hydra miscommunication thing, then one of you seriously needs to drop this game because this sort of shit is ridiculous.

Not defensive, I just have issues with people coming into page 99 of a game and trying to make an argument based on the first 10, acting like they're hot shit as they do.

Why? The first ten pages of the game are where scum are most exposed. They haven't started figuring out how to manipulate people yet.

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.

Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.

If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.

Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.

---

I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.

---

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?

Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.

Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.

---

The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.

---

Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.

Was me.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?

I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

You've got that backwards.

1784 - Amethyst Kitty - "Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads."

1809 - Kublai Khan - "Very willing to lynch Day 1: Red Ryu, Oversoul, Amethyst Kitty, Baby Spice"

1868 - Amethyst Kitty - "Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho"

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.

It's still out-guess the mod territory. And I've played with the mod in a multiball Large Normal with all-town neighborhoods. Treat as VT and scum-hunt normally.
---

@People paying any attention at all to the Vig claim -

Eh, we just lynched someone for lying about a claim. Who in their right mind fakeclaims after that?

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Eh. It's more like you've already got the conclusion that Nachomamma8 is scum and you just followed whatever course it takes to re-reach that conclusion.

----

actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.
--

Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

She already claimed them.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Reasons for suspecting Amethyst Kitty:

Early stuff:
> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Oversoul stuff:
> Doing nothing to try to push any counter-wagons to Oversoul or stop his lynch in any way until I called her out on it.
--- After that, she started up a case on EddieFenix, which indicates to me that she knows I had a very legitimate point and changed her actions accordingly.

OMGUS! and now stuff
> Ignores me until I put her on a scum list. Then I magically end up on her scum list.
> Calls me out on OMGUSing her
> Drops it, but still keeps me high on her scum list.
> Makes a case on why I'm scummy, but refers to nothing that occured previous to first reason for calling me scummy
--- Smells like a reads first, justification later type of activity. Which she's been doing all game.
--- Also doing the bullshit hydra thing of "oh, my partner had a x-read, I'll let them explain" "...." <- No explanation or anything ever given

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I meant thezmon221, not Red Ryu.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

That is the ONLY argument to your case and I've answered it 3 separate times (here, here, and here). You don't care. You literally do not care. So why do you keep asking "why?" as if you're scum-hunting?

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

You were going around asking "Hey, why do you have a town read on KK?". I'm glad that you're acknowledging that that was an attack and not some sort of legitimate attempt to scum-hunt.

WTF? I addressed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points. Try actually reading my posts. You've addressed nothing of what I've wrote. Not even a flat-out denial. Literally the closest thing you've done to addressing anything I've written it a 3 letter word. And I can actually use the word "literally" correctly.

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

Except when I showed that you were coaching blue-scum Red Ryu. You really haven't read a single thing I've posted, have you? Dingos monkey dishwasher fartfart. Doesn't even matter what I type right here at all.

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly.

I'm stunned that someone can completely dodge a case; hell, not even appear to read it. Instead attack some random other people, say the word "psychological" a few times to sound smart then put on a little drama show and people call them town.

Bravo scummy heads of Amethyst Kitty. I'm actually impressed.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

Okay, this is going to be revolutionary, so hold on to your seat. Mafia teams have

more

than one member. I'll give you a moment to process that idea.

So even if I think that you're scummy, I may put that aside for a moment if someone else is in the spotlight, because (*gasp*) they might also be scum. Insane, right? I might be trying to figure out the alignment of more than one person at a time.

Also, being that there are so many players in this game, I will react first to what's immediately happening instead of just random old stuff. So when Day 3 started and Bacde posted completely opposite reasoning for why he wanted Nachomamma8 lynched, I called him out on it. BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED. I really don't care that he was pivotal in lynching thezmon221 BECAUSE ALL SIGNS ARE POINTING TO A MULTIBALL SETUP. I'm typing stuff in caps BECAUSE ITS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE STILL POSTING DITZY BRAINDEAD CRAP LIKE:

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

--

and I have read your post, and I have responded to you.

Link it. Is it that post where you call it "bad" four times? Because that's not a response.

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

Explain to me in one sentence why ak is "clearly scum".

This reeks of an "I don't give a shit about your case" attitude.

Here.

--
@penguin_alien - I guessing that mastin2 listed Thor665 as "smurfed" instead of shot because it's "funny".

<<< This is correct. The Important Links post lists the correct flavor of "shot". >>>

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you

Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?

It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.

I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

Easy? Pfft. The people on the Amethyst Kitty wagon were townier than those making excuses to stay off it.

If you want an easy wagon, look at Seanald. It's super-easy to wagon the guy that isn't putting up much of a fight.

Wrong. You get something from the lynch, but it's nor what you desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

Second time Amethyst Kitty has encouraged a wagon on someone that they aren't voting.

It's still a scum move.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

Except I didn't "set up a mislynch". I pointed out that it's a scum move to say stuff like "hey, oversoul is town guys", and do

nothing

to prevent the lynch. No arguments, no counter-wagons, no show of town-tells, no meta arguments. Nuh-thang.

Except

after

I said that to tried to start a counter-wagon on EddieFenix. Because you knew that I was dead-on right.

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

I do.

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

"twist a conversation"? WTF? It's one of the things about you I called scummy back in post 3770.

And calling someone town while not stopping their lynch IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT from saying "so and so is scum" and not voting. Only scum would try to play dumb and not understand that.

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

---
Just reminding everyone that Amethyst Kitty is still scum.

I'm behind and reading.

Spoiler: Khan Nightkilled

Massive apologies for the delay. I should have set the deadline for Monday where I could have started day (close to) on time. My appointment left me quite a bit late. Sorry.

<<< High spirits might not be in plentiful supply, but the citizens are determined not to let that get in their way. I mean, looking outside, it's such a lovely day and night. The weather's gorgeous, there's no clouds, the stars the moon the sun are all shining, and it looks like things will be nice and

*BAM*

...Nice and bright. Sure, there may be a lot of bad things going on, but life would recover sooner or later. There's plenty to look forward to! If they would survive, the citizens would have a lot left to thrive on. The violence in the streets might be insane, but not a challenge impossible to beat. They may be up against demons, and they're not exactly angels themselves, but surely, they can manage to win. They're all happy to

*BAM*

*ahem*

All happy to be a part of this lovely city.

Come daybreak, they knew there would be casualties, but they didn't expect what they were going to see. Dead in her house was the purest of them: she had been sweet, innocent, young, and perhaps naive, which would make the loss of their dear little angel all the more of a tragedy.

ArcAngel9

was not a threat, yet clearly her death was meant as a message.

At the other side of town, the next dead body is found next to his van:

Kublai Khan

has been shot. But...why the heck was he driving a van in the middle of the night? Looking inside reveals the contents of the van: it's clearly meant more as a party van, because there's a luxurious couch along with alcohol and several drugs. But wait...what else is there? Knockout gas? Restraints to tie people? Hmm, maybe looking at the couch closer to see what's on it would b--EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW, gross!

...NOBODY should have to see that. "Party Van" indeed. Just not the type of party half the members 'invited' to would enjoy.

...Despite the depravity present, searching for any connections to the mafia turns up nothing. No weapons, no notes. He was a harmless wisecracking guy who just so happened to have a dark side--which, given the nature of these findings, was probably meant to be used for good. >>>

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed Night Three

.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

,

Killed Night Three

.

Day Four!

Deadline for Day Four is Wednesday, July 31st, at 12:30 PM, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

This is a weak case when you originally brought it up, and it is a weak case now. Futhermore, it is more incriminating than you make it sound, and it is absolute WIFOM. My own meta points to me not doing these kinds of kills as scum, why would I do it here?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

VOTE: Peregrine

[Amethyst Kitty]

sorry AM. just trying to apply pressure. You're town - you're not getting lynched

assuming that's us?

I just kinda wanna LOLlynch this, but you're probably town

~mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I think AK might be scum. It seems that suspcion on her results in the players death.

Spoiler: Selected postings of Thor chasing Amethyst Kitty

I'm vaguely town-reading Thor

What changed, scumCat?

But, taking this trip through your ISO reminded me that I'm unclear on a majority of your stances on players. Can I get your T-->S list?

I hate those and consider them dumb.
Here are just reads;

1. thezmon221 - null
2. CrashTextDummie [1] - townish leaning a touch null
3. Cephir - null leaning a touch scum
4. Nachomamma8 - townish
5. PeregrineV - Eh, I seem to recall DLG as being scummish - so, scummish.
6. Nero Cain - townish (very ish)
7. Bacde - null
8. EddieFenix - null
9. Bulbazak - town
11. Red Ryu - scummish
12. Syryana - null
13. Desperado - null
14. penguin_alien - null
15. Slandaar - scummy
16. Oversoul - townish
17. Seanald - scummy
18. ThAdmiral - town
19. Haylen - null
20. Kublai Khan - town
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal) - scummy
22. !BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie) - scummy
23. Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - town
24. ArcAngel9 [1] - town

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

Amethyst also sidled away from this question.
I know now you're thinking the slot looks townish, or at least less scummish, but I still want this answered.

Not necessarily, I just don't see why you would find him town.

It's gut at the moment, he feels like he's legit working, not fake working.

Yes, it is consistent.

She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?

Let's be peaches together.

Unvote: Haylen
Vote: AmethystKitten

So if you have a townread on me and a scumread on mollie and I'm calling mollie town, that's not a good thing.

I don't really have a legit town read on you.
I have a 'I don't think his bad play is proof he's scum' read on you.
But I'm willing to see the links you'll show me.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

<<< The spirits of the citizens were lifted by them finally making progress, but with night having fallen, they never knew what was in store for them the next day. All the thrilling adventures of bullets flying and corpses falling! Not to mention, that one drunken fool ranting and shouting in a loud voice, wandering about.

"YOU YOUNG RASCALS MOVE TOO QUICKLY! Back in MY day, we could have civilized conversations, and be intuitive about them. Why, even in my inebriated state of mind, I am still twice the man you are! I can hold my liquor, I have standards, and I don't go wasting my money on some trivial things! I am a sexy seductive man, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT! But I don't let my ego get in the way of CONVERSATION, YE DARN FOOLS. If you had taken your time, MAYBE we could have gotten MORE than just what we did, AND YET you were SO determined to WASTE your lives that YOU RUSHED into WHAAT SHOULDA BEEN SIMMPLE. So I SWEAR TO MY BEARD THAT--"

*piff*

Finally. Something shut him up.

And with that, everyone could get a peaceful night of sleep. Bad things might still be happening, but the future looks bright. Soon, the streets could be cleared of the wretched scum, fellows who could sneak into a house and rob the residents blind without causing any alarm.

...In fact, they're clear of one such fellow, unlucky enough to have been startled by the shouting of a lunatic drunk. In the streets, he was vulnerable to being gunned down. The citizens of the street would rejoice come morning.




...Until they learned that "could sneak in and rob a person blind" doesn't translate into "actually does sneak in and rob a person blind". Certainly this young fellow had sneaked into houses, but not with malevolent intent. An ex-thief who had retired to the streets because they were peaceful, this man was clearly upset to see the things he despised about himself re-lived in front of him from an outside perspective. But the real giveaway that he was no threat? His identity is made clear as

Eddie Fenix

, a teacher...at a police academy. He had turned his life around and been reborn as an upstanding citizen, and thus, was of no threat.

Though not quite as much of an upset, the people are still saddened to learn the method by which the crazy drunkard many of them secretly enjoyed the musings of had been silenced. Shot point-blank with a silencer, Papa

Thor665

lay dead, his horned helmet not offering him the invulnerability of the god (and simultaneously, devil) he claimed to be.

Still, life goes on, and a new day has dawned. What's the worst that could happen?

(Oh, dear...)

>>>

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

,

Shot Night Two

.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Smurfed Night Two

.

Day three dawns with 18 remaining.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Selected postings of Khan chasing Amethyst Kitty

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

If you're going to make this (bad) point, why leave off the BeautyAndTheBeast vote? It followed the Cephrir vote and had the same general format {no other comment except vote}.

Why not include the other couple of votes on the same page?

its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Why did an OS wagon pop up?

He's been the scummiest player all game.

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Vote Nero, People. There IS An OS Alternative.

Why do you do shit like this? You were voting Oversoul, then you jumped off and are promoting a counter-wagon. All of this without any post by Oversoul? WTF?

If you don't think Oversoul is scum, then why did you vote for him at all?

If you say that this is a hydra miscommunication thing, then one of you seriously needs to drop this game because this sort of shit is ridiculous.

Not defensive, I just have issues with people coming into page 99 of a game and trying to make an argument based on the first 10, acting like they're hot shit as they do.

Why? The first ten pages of the game are where scum are most exposed. They haven't started figuring out how to manipulate people yet.

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.

Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.

If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.

Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.

---

I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.

---

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?

Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.

Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.

---

The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.

---

Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.

Was me.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?

I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

You've got that backwards.

1784 - Amethyst Kitty - "Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads."

1809 - Kublai Khan - "Very willing to lynch Day 1: Red Ryu, Oversoul, Amethyst Kitty, Baby Spice"

1868 - Amethyst Kitty - "Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho"

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.

It's still out-guess the mod territory. And I've played with the mod in a multiball Large Normal with all-town neighborhoods. Treat as VT and scum-hunt normally.
---

@People paying any attention at all to the Vig claim -

Eh, we just lynched someone for lying about a claim. Who in their right mind fakeclaims after that?

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Eh. It's more like you've already got the conclusion that Nachomamma8 is scum and you just followed whatever course it takes to re-reach that conclusion.

----

actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.
--

Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

She already claimed them.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Reasons for suspecting Amethyst Kitty:

Early stuff:
> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Oversoul stuff:
> Doing nothing to try to push any counter-wagons to Oversoul or stop his lynch in any way until I called her out on it.
--- After that, she started up a case on EddieFenix, which indicates to me that she knows I had a very legitimate point and changed her actions accordingly.

OMGUS! and now stuff
> Ignores me until I put her on a scum list. Then I magically end up on her scum list.
> Calls me out on OMGUSing her
> Drops it, but still keeps me high on her scum list.
> Makes a case on why I'm scummy, but refers to nothing that occured previous to first reason for calling me scummy
--- Smells like a reads first, justification later type of activity. Which she's been doing all game.
--- Also doing the bullshit hydra thing of "oh, my partner had a x-read, I'll let them explain" "...." <- No explanation or anything ever given

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I meant thezmon221, not Red Ryu.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

That is the ONLY argument to your case and I've answered it 3 separate times (here, here, and here). You don't care. You literally do not care. So why do you keep asking "why?" as if you're scum-hunting?

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

You were going around asking "Hey, why do you have a town read on KK?". I'm glad that you're acknowledging that that was an attack and not some sort of legitimate attempt to scum-hunt.

WTF? I addressed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points. Try actually reading my posts. You've addressed nothing of what I've wrote. Not even a flat-out denial. Literally the closest thing you've done to addressing anything I've written it a 3 letter word. And I can actually use the word "literally" correctly.

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

Except when I showed that you were coaching blue-scum Red Ryu. You really haven't read a single thing I've posted, have you? Dingos monkey dishwasher fartfart. Doesn't even matter what I type right here at all.

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly.

I'm stunned that someone can completely dodge a case; hell, not even appear to read it. Instead attack some random other people, say the word "psychological" a few times to sound smart then put on a little drama show and people call them town.

Bravo scummy heads of Amethyst Kitty. I'm actually impressed.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

Okay, this is going to be revolutionary, so hold on to your seat. Mafia teams have

more

than one member. I'll give you a moment to process that idea.

So even if I think that you're scummy, I may put that aside for a moment if someone else is in the spotlight, because (*gasp*) they might also be scum. Insane, right? I might be trying to figure out the alignment of more than one person at a time.

Also, being that there are so many players in this game, I will react first to what's immediately happening instead of just random old stuff. So when Day 3 started and Bacde posted completely opposite reasoning for why he wanted Nachomamma8 lynched, I called him out on it. BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED. I really don't care that he was pivotal in lynching thezmon221 BECAUSE ALL SIGNS ARE POINTING TO A MULTIBALL SETUP. I'm typing stuff in caps BECAUSE ITS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE STILL POSTING DITZY BRAINDEAD CRAP LIKE:

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

--

and I have read your post, and I have responded to you.

Link it. Is it that post where you call it "bad" four times? Because that's not a response.

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

Explain to me in one sentence why ak is "clearly scum".

This reeks of an "I don't give a shit about your case" attitude.

Here.

--
@penguin_alien - I guessing that mastin2 listed Thor665 as "smurfed" instead of shot because it's "funny".

<<< This is correct. The Important Links post lists the correct flavor of "shot". >>>

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you

Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?

It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.

I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

Easy? Pfft. The people on the Amethyst Kitty wagon were townier than those making excuses to stay off it.

If you want an easy wagon, look at Seanald. It's super-easy to wagon the guy that isn't putting up much of a fight.

Wrong. You get something from the lynch, but it's nor what you desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

Second time Amethyst Kitty has encouraged a wagon on someone that they aren't voting.

It's still a scum move.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

Except I didn't "set up a mislynch". I pointed out that it's a scum move to say stuff like "hey, oversoul is town guys", and do

nothing

to prevent the lynch. No arguments, no counter-wagons, no show of town-tells, no meta arguments. Nuh-thang.

Except

after

I said that to tried to start a counter-wagon on EddieFenix. Because you knew that I was dead-on right.

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

I do.

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

"twist a conversation"? WTF? It's one of the things about you I called scummy back in post 3770.

And calling someone town while not stopping their lynch IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT from saying "so and so is scum" and not voting. Only scum would try to play dumb and not understand that.

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

---
Just reminding everyone that Amethyst Kitty is still scum.

I'm behind and reading.

Spoiler: Khan Nightkilled

Massive apologies for the delay. I should have set the deadline for Monday where I could have started day (close to) on time. My appointment left me quite a bit late. Sorry.

<<< High spirits might not be in plentiful supply, but the citizens are determined not to let that get in their way. I mean, looking outside, it's such a lovely day and night. The weather's gorgeous, there's no clouds, the stars the moon the sun are all shining, and it looks like things will be nice and

*BAM*

...Nice and bright. Sure, there may be a lot of bad things going on, but life would recover sooner or later. There's plenty to look forward to! If they would survive, the citizens would have a lot left to thrive on. The violence in the streets might be insane, but not a challenge impossible to beat. They may be up against demons, and they're not exactly angels themselves, but surely, they can manage to win. They're all happy to

*BAM*

*ahem*

All happy to be a part of this lovely city.

Come daybreak, they knew there would be casualties, but they didn't expect what they were going to see. Dead in her house was the purest of them: she had been sweet, innocent, young, and perhaps naive, which would make the loss of their dear little angel all the more of a tragedy.

ArcAngel9

was not a threat, yet clearly her death was meant as a message.

At the other side of town, the next dead body is found next to his van:

Kublai Khan

has been shot. But...why the heck was he driving a van in the middle of the night? Looking inside reveals the contents of the van: it's clearly meant more as a party van, because there's a luxurious couch along with alcohol and several drugs. But wait...what else is there? Knockout gas? Restraints to tie people? Hmm, maybe looking at the couch closer to see what's on it would b--EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW, gross!

...NOBODY should have to see that. "Party Van" indeed. Just not the type of party half the members 'invited' to would enjoy.

...Despite the depravity present, searching for any connections to the mafia turns up nothing. No weapons, no notes. He was a harmless wisecracking guy who just so happened to have a dark side--which, given the nature of these findings, was probably meant to be used for good. >>>

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed Night Three

.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

,

Killed Night Three

.

Day Four!

Deadline for Day Four is Wednesday, July 31st, at 12:30 PM, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

This is a weak case when you originally brought it up, and it is a weak case now. Futhermore, it is more incriminating than you make it sound, and it is absolute WIFOM. My own meta points to me not doing these kinds of kills as scum, why would I do it here?

~Mara

sorry AM. just trying to apply pressure. You're town - you're not getting lynched

assuming that's us?

I just kinda wanna LOLlynch this, but you're probably town

~mara

I think I love you. I wanted to talk to you once I got home on skype. I was in the car thinking we were getting framed. Which sucks because I

love

NK analysis, but this is just too close to the heart for me.

I thought that also.

~Mala

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

[Amethyst Kitty]

... AK..

Not AM, but Amethyst Mala would have been a cute name too!

[Amethyst Kitty]

"ThAd is town because there is a scum roleblocker" isn't an argument.

Especially when someone else has claimed roleblocked on the same night as them.

yeah

and I told him I wanted to talk to him and he never responded

VOTE: thadVOTE:

*Coughs* No relative tell.

[Amethyst Kitty]

that isn't the relative tell I have so I am not sure what dumb point you are trying to make here

Be nice. Put yours claws back into your paws.

Remember when I kept laughing once we died in TfT because he kept throwing his relative tell off like wild-fire. He's not doing it here. Why are you trying to yet go after

another

PR? You went after Rena (I did too) because you thought she was a scum-watcher.

There's reasons besides "role block" that could cause a kill to not go through. First off - Seanald flipped mafia doctor - so there's one. There's a few other mafia PR's that could potentially block a kill.

Try exploring all possibilities first.

[Amethyst Kitty]

that isn't the relative tell I have so I am not sure what dumb point you are trying to make here

Be nice. Put yours claws back into your paws.

then stop being catty.

Remember when I kept laughing once we died in TfT because he kept throwing his relative tell off like wild-fire. He's not doing it here. Why are you trying to yet go after

another

PR? You went after Rena (I did too) because you thought she was a scum-watcher.

I don't remember that at all. I only remember him throwing it off once. and when we talked about it didn't I specifically tell you that it was poor form to bring up how a player reads another player in a game? so why do you keep doing it

I didn't think rena was the scum watcher I thought she was scum mebbe fakeclaiming.

There's reasons besides "role block" that could cause a kill to not go through. First off - Seanald flipped mafia doctor - so there's one. There's a few other mafia PR's that could potentially block a kill.

Try exploring all possibilities first.

if fery would have let me you would be lynched by now. your whole post is an appeal and it looks like you are trying to steer any suspicion from thad. I mean you said itt that he was dropping "the tell" and now you want to change your story? plz

Funny. You are super funny tonight.

I'm not directly stating it so it's vague as fuck. So have fun with him trying to figure out what I mean. No you didn't say that actually, but if you are going to go after someone and ignore a relative tell as a whole then I'm going to poke at you for it.

You still went after her.

Why do I not believe this last part? My whole post is not an appeal - My whole post is trying to get you to step away instead of trying to lynch another possible PR. I know I said it at first, but since then I saw nothing. I'm starting to warm up to ThAd town.

You thought he was town and now you don't, but hey as I said there's possibilities other than being blocked.

If PereV flips scum then ThAd is likely town. If PereV flips red scum then we know how ThAd's kill got possibly blocked in the first place.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Bulb is defintely town

why are your reads so fency?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Why pv over ctd? Because he is more likely of the two to be lynched right now.

I don't like this line of reasoning

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Bulb is defintely town

why are your reads so fency?

~Mara

Which ones?
The only ones you could argue I'm fencing on are PV and Baezu really.

And no, Bulb is definitely 100% scum.

PV and Baezu are defintely fency, and even those you are scum-reading you aren't really given them the " HD Bull-dogged" type of push except for maybe Bulb, who is definitely town.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Don't really get teh HD votes.

I personally rather lynch PereV.

Why are we better off not lynching a neighbor Cephrir? Scared we are going to lynch your partner?

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm with my other head on this

I'd much prefer Peregrine, and, with PoE, Ceph is likely scum too I think and HD is a last resortish kind of lynch, not really seeing anything past it not being his normal play and, considering he was less then active when he was playing with me then I'm not really inclined to vote him based on activity level

Desp, why does a person not going to be lynched matter? if Bulb thinks Pv is scum, and he wants to explain why then I don't see a problem with it

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm pretty sure you are Nacho, but I'm not entirely sure if I can buy your reasons for suspecting him and the best reason I can personally come up with is his lack of investment in this game

Between Thad, PV, and CTD, I feel that Pv is the most likely to flip scum. Thad, I'm pretty confident that he'll flip town at this point and CTD is still muddy waters for me

[Amethyst Kitty]

You have reasons past him being somewhat inactive, reasons I'm not sure I can buy

My biggest reasons is his lack of involvement, and Apathy this game.

I don't particularly think HD is town, though I'm still not really seeing anything scummy in his Iso, and the Hydra dissonance when that slot

was

a Hydra is the kind of trolling I would expect Om and HD to do as town

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mala thinks HD is town though, she might be able to go in depth to why

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'll be out for a few days

~mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Where has Mala been?

Currently

LOST

.

._.

[Amethyst Kitty]

desperado/PV conftown at this point, ffullisade pretty much conftown.
there's probably 1 red and 1 blue left, but that's a theory that should be confirmed when this one dies.

No. I disagree with PereV. I agree that Despo could be conf-town, but PereV I disagree with.

I was thinking maybe SK, but the lack of three kills per night makes it unlikely.

last scum is between AK and PA i guess. i sort of have a tendency to turn on AK at this point in time and haven't been right yet but who fucking knows hey

Apparently you're just fucking wrong at reading me or you're scum.

last scum is between AK and PA i guess. i sort of have a tendency to turn on AK at this point in time and haven't been right yet but who fucking knows hey

probably AK at this point.

Same as above.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Apparently you're just fucking wrong at reading me or you're scum.

do you see why i am suspicious of you?

Sue me. Nacho you practically have a 98% accuracy rate in reading me and this game your read has been all over the place. So yes it makes me wonder.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fine.

VOTE: hd

[Amethyst Kitty]

I want PereV dead though. He's scum

[Amethyst Kitty]

._.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fuck off Nacho

Pedit: UNVOTE:

we aren't doing shit until I come home tomorrow

[Amethyst Kitty]

Does it look like I give a fuck?

we aren't going to do anything until I come home tomorrow and get a chance to talk with Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

You're free to do stuff with everyone else though

[Amethyst Kitty]

Someone is a little Joker

If you're going to attempt to scum-read us, you should go the entire mile instead of stopping half-way through

What happened to your strong town-read in Penguin anyway? Mala agreed with you there so, if you are town, you maybe at least did something right!

PV's probably right, in that there's two red and one blue

You're red and HD is blue

we just need to find that other red

FFery, I said Mala had a town-read on HD and that she'll explain it if she came back, though apparently it wasn't all that strong because she waffled last night when I told her my town-read on him died a long, long time ago

[Amethyst Kitty]

heh...

I could prolly go on a paranoia run on anyone who isn't in hydra atm

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mara just said I can vote so I'm going to vote!

VOTE: Nachomamma8
PeregrineV
Bulbazak
Desperado
penguin_alien
ffullisade
Human Destroyer

But for realz.

VOTE: Penguin

You are defo scum. I keep waffling on you, but you are defo scum now.

Mara brought some logic into my head about PereV and I'm willing to go with that read. I'm just being overly paranoid whether or not we should just deem PereV as town because ThAd flipped town and we caught two other scum. I feel like maybe there's a possibility of another scum somewhere in the neighbors, but I'll drop it for now.

You are just hedging for your vote on HD, but haven't placed it.

Yes, clearly, I'm a smart scum who soft-bussed when it came to my partners, but in the end I didn't have a tailbone and never voted them, yeah okay. Let's see how that theory goes for you. I'm the one who did wagon analysis and quickly said Ceph is red scum without a doubt.

Ftr, if the remaining blue scum is RB'er.. they probably can't use and block the same night hence Thad's shot not being blocked last night and going through.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Spoiler: Reads

TOWN

ArcAngel

BeautyAndTheBeast

Cephrir

Slandaar

(PereV)DLG
Bulbazak

Red Ryu

Amethyst Kitty

NULL

CrashTextDummie

Nero Cain

(Beazu)Bacde

Seanald

(HD)Om The Destroyer
(Peng)Baby Spice
Desperado

Syryana
Kublai Khan

SCUM

fuzzybutternut
Oversoul

Nachomomma8

(ThAd)ActionDan

EddieFenix
Thor665

So either he was busing his other partner {Nacho} or he put him in the null category. Saying null because everyone in the town I feel is actually town... (Exception: PereV, but I'm paranoid)

Mara says if Nacho is scum - he's more realistically red than blue.

Thing that kinda makes me want to rule out Nacho is that Bacade who gunned for Nacho until he was replaced/flaked never got killed. I think I need to go over the NK's again.

Also the fact the Ceph NK again points to us is pissing me the fuck off and is another reason I don't want to "roll over" to the possibility of PereV not being scum. Almost all the NK's have pointed to us which means someone is fucking toying and trying to frame us.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Yet...

you vote with us?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Would like to see everyone's town-scum-scumcolor list.

you can give me your scumlist or else i'll probably ignore you.

Go ahead, red. Let's see what everyone else has to say.

Why do you call nacho red right after me?

what makes you think Nacho is red?

[Amethyst Kitty]

also!

Bulb, why are you only looking at some of our posts and not all of them?

not everything that's coming out of this account is the "woe is me" crap and, while I do agree with you that it is annoying, and Kinda vain you aren't looking at anything I'm doing, you're looking at all of mala's post and using it to determine our alignment while ignoring my post, and the fact that I'm kinda the physical entity of this hydra while mala is the brains and stuff

[Amethyst Kitty]

despo parroting me in a way is scary too.

Fery question? Your townread [?] on us.. Was it based on the mala or mara part of the hydra?

~ Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Bulb?

are you still here?

I want to talk because all my town-reads are going to shit

[Amethyst Kitty]

Desp, I love you but Nacho is red scum, not blue scum

[Amethyst Kitty]

despo parroting me in a way is scary too.

Fery question? Your townread [?] on us.. Was it based on the mala or mara part of the hydra?

~ Mala

My read is pretty mushy tbh. I think that I've mostly interacted with mara. mollie's concerns were with mala posts mostly (I think - I'm not sure I've accurately identified whose posts are whose).

other than the latter half of yesterday, and today, we've actually worked to make each post Identifiable. which posts have you been struggling with?

You've interacted mostly with Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Current townreads are here:
3. Cephir
5. DLG
7. roflcopter
10. Thor665
11. Red Ryu
18. ActionDan
19. fuzzybutternut
22. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie)
24. ArcAngel9

Here, Nacho puts Ceph as town

In post 641, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
Hey Nacho, thoughts on Cehprir?

I don't like the way he's responding so far, but I'm still waiting for the wheels to turn a little more before I give a solid read on him.

couple pages later, after I ask him about Ceph, he says that he doesn't really have a solid read on him yet and that he doesn't like his responses so far.

I'm starting to come around somewhat just based on the avoiding the thread thing. That's the only thing though.

I haven't been avoiding the thread. I wasn't around for a little while, had to play catchup elsewhere. So I saved this one for last considering there was a lot of reading to do but it's still Day 1 here.

talks to him kinda like he's a town-read

Cephrir's sort of gotten railroaded into defending me a couple of times, but has maintained sufficient paranoia of me the entire game. I like that because it weakens the wagon and weakens the claim on the wagon, but doesn't mean that he actually gains any cred for defending me. His attack on Thor for being overaggressive seemed a little strange, but it was a fair attack considering his mindset, and his progression from Thor to Oversoul was pretty genuine. His mid-back off from B&B seemed fairly town motivated; he was comfortable in arguing with them, but held back a little when the argument pretty much became a semantics fight. His response to B&B accusing him of having unexplained townreads was the reads list in #797, which is a fitting response to the interaction and seemed more like a "screw you" townie response than scum under pressure in the least bit, considering he wasn't under a lot of pressure and could've easily dismissed B&B or bought time by telling them to explain townreads first. Overall, fairly town.

This post is good

I feel like Nacho and Desperado are both stretching for some of their points. So far this doesn't feel as town v town to me as our other arguments have.

People are stretching in their arguments, so you don't look at what they are posting but instead just say that the argument is "town v town"? You can do better than this.

Obviously I feel like Nacho or Desperado is scum (probably not bussing), and I haven't figured out which one it is yet. What led me to say that now is 1509- the first point seems pretty good and makes me feel like Nacho is using a double standard, but the third point sucks and is a huge reach.

Very nice posture.

but, with the way he's talking to him here I would think he's scum-reading him? especially with the posture comment. this isn't to many pages after the previous quote

I was saying it's *not* town v town. Pay attention.

Fix my typo and there's still a question for you to answer.

Very nice posture yourself, seeing as you haven't really expressed suspicion of me before this post and I look like the most likely counterwagon to yours at this point.

I'm not going to vote you today, but your most recent posts are waffley as all hell.

Scum buddy interaction? this is kinda weird, I can't really figure out what he's reading Ceph at this point. Null-scum? maybe not strong enough for a vote apparently, though Nacho isn't one who is scared to bus I don't think

Wanna hop on this nice wagon with me, Cephrir? It would be a hell of a slap to the face if I got lynched D1 AND couldn't get any sort of counterwagon going.

This call out... it looks like he's trying to figure out Cephs alignment, and this is good however I just did something similar to this to Fonz in #Swagtown where we were both scum. Nacho is a far better scum-player than I am, so if I am able to pull something like this off, I'm sure as hell Nacho is able to do it

who all is in your town pile let's go from there

you, bacde, thor, syryana, bulba, Om/HD, eddiefenix, arc, CTD, thez is the strong town pile. cephrir probably belongs in there, but I'm a little hesitant.
seanald is a decent townread for latching onto bacde in the way he did, red ryu i would call town but he's been hard to talk to lately, nero is probably town, but hesitant.
CTD I occasionally have paranoid flashes on but I still think he's probably town.

He is keeping Ceph as a town-read, and is hesitant to name him strong town which points to a little bit of Paranoia. I like this post I think

CTD should be totally in it. Who else?

om the hydra, but that was mostly for day 1
cephrir
bulba
haylen
KK
AA x10

though not to many pages later he's decided that he's town enough to be included into the town block?

I'm a really easy and uncontroversial scumread to have. Need someone to pad your scumlist? Why not Cephrir?

don't do this to me man
you're town as shit

I like this call out actually, it feels town. this might be the most genuine post he's had Re Ceph

I'll finish the rest of the Nacho/Ceph interaction later, but I think that, so far this points to Nacho and Ceph are a team

I also don't recall Nacho interacting with Seanald much, I'll go through that as well and spell out why they are scum together

[Amethyst Kitty]

I am considering all of your posts. I got a general town feel from them in the beginning, then I lost that. I regained it after your seemingly genuine breakdown, and even though you made some crazy plays, some of which were essentially saying "Yep, I did that thing I'm being accused of", I still had a general town feel from you, because who in their right mind would do something like that as scum? However, the later we got in the game, the more you complained about being "framed" and the more you sought to derail wagons on actual town, even though you never gave a decent reason why that person would be town. You didn't make many pushes yourself, at least none that were unique, instead mainly derailing wagons. Looking back, everything can essentially be seen as a massive play for towncred, with the WIFOM question "Why would they do that as scum?" keeping you alive. I don't think it's real anymore. I think it's all fake, and I've gotta say, I didn't think you had it in you.

Everything you've pointed out as a scum posts belong to mala, today, you've only used her interaction to call us scum though you've completely ignored mine

are you able to tell the difference between us at all?

[Amethyst Kitty]

that does not answer my question

<<< Post from MS Marangal deleted. >>>

[Amethyst Kitty]

"what is your favorite color?"

"the sky is blue because it absorbs all the other colors of light and only reflects that specific color"

Same topic, but the question isn't answered

my question isn't answered

are you able to tell who is posting what?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Not really, no. And I don't really care.

Ok

the fact that it took you a while to give me a straight answer is making me think otherwise though

[Amethyst Kitty]

Ffery, why don't you think Nacho is scum? I agree with you logically, though Gut says something different

and yes, the argument between our accounts was mostly mala/mollie

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'll finish the rest of the Nacho/Ceph interaction later, but I think that, so far this points to Nacho and Ceph are a team

What are the interactions between us that make you feel this the strongest?

It isn't a specific action, but how you treated Ceph as whole and how you talked to him.

You mostly called him town early on, though when I asked you about him you said you didn't like his responses, then you called him town again.

When you interact with him, it looks like you're reading him as scummish up to a point (the point where I stopped analyzing) but still called him town, then you called him town as fuck and your interactions after that, was light defending but nothing really worth notice given your supposedly strong town-read of him

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fuck off Nacho

Pedit: UNVOTE:

we aren't doing shit until I come home tomorrow

Does it look like I give a fuck?

we aren't going to do anything until I come home tomorrow and get a chance to talk with Mala

You're free to do stuff with everyone else though

Someone is a little Joker

If you're going to attempt to scum-read us, you should go the entire mile instead of stopping half-way through

What happened to your strong town-read in Penguin anyway? Mala agreed with you there so, if you are town, you maybe at least did something right!

PV's probably right, in that there's two red and one blue

You're red and HD is blue

we just need to find that other red

FFery, I said Mala had a town-read on HD and that she'll explain it if she came back, though apparently it wasn't all that strong because she waffled last night when I told her my town-read on him died a long, long time ago

heh...

I could prolly go on a paranoia run on anyone who isn't in hydra atm

Bulb, what do you think of these posts?

specifically the last one, because it has just as, if not more, potential to be construed as scummy compared to the post you chose to scum-read us off with.

If you're going to say you aren't ignoring my post, and are unable to even tell the difference between our posts, at least make the effort to scum-read everything we say as a whole and not just a select few

[Amethyst Kitty]

As a bonus, the first two quotes could also easily be construed as me "trying to look pro-town"!

[Amethyst Kitty]

Yet...

you vote with us?

You're not red scum.

Pv, I'd like a response to this when you get back

[Amethyst Kitty]

Ffery, why don't you think Nacho is scum? I agree with you logically, though Gut says something different

and yes, the argument between our accounts was mostly mala/mollie

I'll answer this in a day or 2. I'm mulling over some things that I think points strongly to town-Nacho.

K

I can wait

[Amethyst Kitty]

I did a quick Iso on you and you definitely talked to Ceph there as much as you have here, though there is a lot less you trying to figure him out there compared to here. If I was to compare the games side by side, and read you solely off of that, I would say that the two of you probably aren't scum together this game

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'll make a post tuesday. Mala should be around though

[Amethyst Kitty]

oh

before I forget

Obligatory Play-style rant

Obligatory rant on Scum hydra being weaker than solo scum

Obligatory rant on Town hydra being stronger that solo-town

aaannnddd

Does Nacho have a Game where he was town with Ceph (of either alignment) that I can look at?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Why are you ranting about that stuff?

Mostly cuz I do it at some point in a game and I just realized I havn't done that yet

though, for the hydra rant thing, I just find it incredibly annoying and somewhat ignorant when someone thinks that play as both alignments somehow get better, when it doesn't especially as scum


When did Thad become Obviously town, I must have missed it

Nacho, what was the point of you linking that game? I came to the conclusion that your interaction with Ceph here is nothing like your interaction with Ceph there, though that doesn't really mean much to me since one can easily change their interaction with their partner that they have previously. You would be aware that people could meta your interaction with Ceph especially since (IIRC) someone else brought it up early game.

and, if there is three scum left who would it be if you aren't scum and I'm not scum?

Desp and Perev are nearly conf. town, Ffulisades has been incredibly town all game

and Bulb, HD, and Peng_alien are left over

Bulb in that PoE makes me feel weird and I can't find a partnership that works with any given two

[Amethyst Kitty]

VOTE: HD

[Amethyst Kitty]

PA is blue. HD is red along with AK. If we lynch blue, we eliminate a NK. Vote PA.

^ scum along with ak mebbe?

I dunno I have been trying to figure why nacho has been staying away from them.

ak I swear to god you dropped a special tell early on and then called me out for role fishing and you are not dead?

numbers say we are at 2 - 1 - 3 scum scum town.

town need to find each other and I really do think it is within the /ohgodkillmenowgroup

that there is not another single vote on ak tells me she is red scum.

and makes me waffle between nacho and perv.

Guess you didn't quit the hydra afterall.

Just because you think I or Mara dropped a special tell doesn't mean we did. Just because we aren't dead because you think we are a possible pr doesn't make us scum. The fact your slot is voting us based on this special tell is fucking bullshit.

The fact you aren't thinking about why we are still here in LyLo is beyond me. Our actions haven't been super town like. Are you really expecting us to get Nk'd so easily? The fact you or nacho aren't dead is beyond me though because flat out your slot has been freaking town to me the whole game. The fact we are fighting nail to nail against each other gives scum a great reason to keep us both alive because hey our stupid little fight that keep going longer and longer might actually give them a win if we are stupid enough to cross vote each other in LyLo.

[Amethyst Kitty]

ffullisade: AK, Nacho, and Bulbazak haven't even checked in yet. Which actually makes me suspicious of that whole group, as I'd expect scum to want to see the lay of the land before picking a line of attack.

:/

or, maybe we're busy?

I havn't posted anywhere in the past three days until today personally

[Amethyst Kitty]

I personally think that scum is within the GOD TOWN group

FOS: Ffulisades

[Amethyst Kitty]

/ohgodkillmenowgroup

who do you define as that group?

[Amethyst Kitty]

and did we even claim? >.>

[Amethyst Kitty]

She won't stop hitting my Skype. So answer Mollie/Fery so I can sleep pls

[Amethyst Kitty]

I personally think that scum is within the GOD TOWN group

FOS: Ffulisades

You did this to me when I suspected you last time.

Are you going to take this anywhere or...?

/ohgodkillmenowgroup

who do you define as that group?

and did we even claim? >.>

Mollie

[Amethyst Kitty]

or

Ffery, either one can answer

[Amethyst Kitty]

or

Ffery, either one can answer

If you have anything to claim, then please fucking claim it.

You can answer our question first.

Bring Mollie back in the thread. I want her to reply to my post.

[Amethyst Kitty]

or

Ffery, either one can answer

If you have anything to claim, then please fucking claim it.

You can answer our question first.

Bring Mollie back in the thread. I want her to reply to my post.

Sorry, you get to deal with me for now.

See, I figured if if you're town and you had ANYTHING AT ALL that could help narrow things down here at the doorstep of a town loss you would have put it on the goddamn table today. Instead you're being coy.

I am pretty damn sure you are red scum.

No, but we are town, but nothing special, but thing that's glaring obvious by now. If we had something, anything I would have said it already by now. I think if I had anything I would have made it known prior days. You are looking for us to give you proof that we don't have.

@Nacho:

Bad vote because we are town.

[Amethyst Kitty]

No, in fact I don't even know what the crumb is. I didn't crumb jack shit this game and this is what I'm trying to explain. No wasn't intentional because hell I don't even know what you are talking about. I tried to find something that remotely resembled a crumb and to me nothing looks like one, nothing.

[Amethyst Kitty]

See, I figured if if you're town and you had ANYTHING AT ALL that could help narrow things down here at the doorstep of a town loss you would have put it on the goddamn table today.

There really isn't anything to keep this from happening at this point, and we don't have anything special to keep this from happening

You could give me the answer to what I asked earlier though

[Amethyst Kitty]

Has anyone seen Peregrine?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fery or Mollie remove your vote. I want to talk to you when I'm home from work which is at 945 est. we are town, but I want to explain when I'm home. Plz give me time to do it?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Has anyone seen Peregrine?

Semi-back today.

Who is the blue scum?


Who is the red scum?

Bulb and nacho are red

Mollie/ffer is blue

Revelations came today but isn't enough to get town out of this hole

Its pretty obvious that we don't stand a chance against scum


And its kinda cruel for them to give us a slimmer of false hope

[Amethyst Kitty]

apparently I want to talk to Fery or Mollie once again gets ignored. Fuck fery was even around when I asked this to.

[Amethyst Kitty]

What I don't understand is why we aren't looking for scum in these three claimed neighborhoods.

We have:

Seanald / Despo

CTD / Slandaar

Pv / ThAd

I don't think Mastin would have three town neighborhoods and I doubt scum would claim if they were neighbors together.

There's something wrong with this picture.

____

My point is Nacho that I can sometimes pull information from town AND scum lynches. In fact I know I can because I have done it multiple times when I was a vig and was accurate.
So I'm different when people say we can't pull information from possible town flips because it's wrong - people are able to pull information from them, but they need to know how it's done correctly.

____

@Despo:

I was eating lunch when I posted earlier and kept wanting to throw my phone across the wall because it kept sticking and I couldn't type anything right. I think my replacement screen is fucked up right now.

____

@Mollie:

2566.

Fery can you point Mollie in my direction and ask her to ISO me. I want her to read something - she'll see it when she ISO's us.

AA:

explain why Cephrir and Bulba please?

I can maybe see both Despo/Seanald.

No, I was actually reaching out to you Mollie. I wasn't crumbing anything. I wanted your help on sorting ThAd out.

[Amethyst Kitty]

apparently I want to talk to Fery or Mollie once again gets ignored. Fuck fery was even around when I asked this to.

What are you talking about?

Doesn't matter now. I asked if you and Mollie could be around when I got home so I could talk to you. Yet you were elsewhere and not here so I didn't bother since neither of you bothered. I explained what you thought was a crumb.. which was you guys mistaking me trying to ask for help and reaching out.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie and I have talked this over again this morning and we are still of the opinion that AK is scum and that she should be today's lynch.

Along with what I already said.

I am trying to reach out and work with you and you are refusing.

I'm acting different than DP which at the time I knew who was scum. Here I have not a clue who the scum are because I'm town.

The more I think about it at least either you or Nacho is scum because PereV, Peng & Bulba were in the thread around the same time and we weren't hammered. Which means either you and Nacho are scum together or scum are hunting the other team currently while trying to lynch them and ignoring us.

The more I think about the Syr NK which made no sense to me looks like a Nacho kill. I forgot about the Thor NK, but I'm not sure how often Thor and Nacho play together, but I'm sure Thor could easily spot scum-Nacho.

You keep saying I breadcrumbed in Day 1, but what you posted was in Day 3 or 4 I forget which. So either you are obviously bullshiting or you can't remember where I "potentially" crumbed Day 1. You chose not to engage with me in my current explanation, you flat out ignore it and disregard it.

Along with your straight out of the bat vote on us Day 7 I don't believe anymore that you have a town-wincon since it's not like Fery to vote so quick in possible LyLo.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I don't work with people I think are scum. Sometimes, I suspend disbelief and talk to someone as though I can see they are town, and I see what sort of echoes I get back. I've done that a few times in this game, and have never really gotten back a "lets get this shit sorted out" feel back. When I or Mollie back off, then you seem happy with that and move on.

Really?

this coming from the person who followed Nacho's every vote and every word, and every little thing he did as if it was the bible when you believed him to be scum in a Micro?

Second, That is out of line even if you are scum. Mala has been trying to reach out to you, even when her hydra partner no longer had a town-read on you, even when her partner Doesn't want to work with you. What your doing is absolute shit, and you need to stop.

and, if you just so happen to be town you cant even make a read outside of personal shit and Mala shouldn't have to deal with this

I've personally don't want to deal with this anymore

Mod: this entire slot is outing.

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