Mini 1463 (it has shitty jokes) over

[NotThePope]

VOTE: Kid A

This is man's country, we ain't got no room for kids.

[NotThePope]

VOTE: Kings

For not knowing proper voting mechanics

[NotThePope]

I don't see how you saw that vote was serious? From here, it looked like a joke, as did his last post. Reaching a bit, aren't we?

[NotThePope]

So you call him out for calling out an FoS in RVS? You said it yourself, people do silly things during RVS. Most of Bub's posting HAS looked like jokes. Not buddying.

On that note, I want to get a wagon going

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Lets see where this one takes us

[NotThePope]

VOTE: NotThePope
now what the hell dude, you call someone and vote other guy? besides what is that "i want to get a wagon going" when the day hasn't even started yet... you are top in my scum list (this is not a wagon vote, I just want to put my shit straight)

Severe OMGUS can be found in the above post

Best way to get out of RVS is a wagon, and it looks like I've done pretty well at getting people out it.

Meh.

[NotThePope]

Oops, mistook your avy for RAdiant's. My bad.

Ala, I don't do that, because it happens to me all the time and it's an incredibly low move. Soooooooooo

That's pretty much how my first game went, the scum keying in on me for that same fact. I don't do it. I thought that was Radiant's avy, my mistake.

In other news, glad to see people out of RVS, don't really care if it's on me.

Alabaska, you seem to have chainsaw'd kinda hard there. (yes, I know it's too early to have associative tells, but it looks kinda like it to me) Care to elaborate?

[NotThePope]

Meh, not really. I'm out of RVS, and it sounds like other people are starting to come out of it. Which means, we can find scum sooner.

[NotThePope]

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF way too many caps man.

on that note,

FoS: DCLXVI

Vote: Alabaska J

The FoS is completely unsubstantiated and useless.

First post during RVS stage, looks to me like a sarcastic response.

I'm attacking them for making a silly FOS, not because it was on you.

"Silly" again, makes it sound joking. Attacking him over a "silly FoS" doesn't sound like a joke to anyone else, especially during RVS? I'm standing by that point, looks to me like a joke.

Then again, people here are sooooo serious it gets boring after a while.

Wheeeeeeee Radiant just OMGUS'd us tooo yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

How can you say in your right mind those are serious posts whatsoever, especially given the time period they were posted

Generic you did the vote method wrong js

Also if you've seen me play you know I'm mucho de paranoia

Weak townread on absta thus far, flip side for radiant.

[NotThePope]

Also, (including Generic's attempted vote) that's L-2

Scum be tryin to push a D1 quick lynch somethin' fierce I see

GODDAMNIT

[NotThePope]

quadruple post-

Sorry about that, I'm kinda all over the place xd

[NotThePope]

Hi
I am the second head of this hydra
I consider myself the smart head
Good discussion
Why would you vote Cowbell
She's Town
VOTE: Alabaska

[NotThePope]

Absta, thems some mean associative tells you got going on there

Especially without a vote :/

wtf why'd we change our vote how is RC town wtf are you doing

Smudger, I didn't say RC was town, because RC has done utterly nooooooooothing. I'm going to consult my other head on this, because I don't see it. I don't like RC's OMGUS, I don't like those 3 or so votes or so placed one after the other, feels like a nice place for scum to sit. Namely, RC.

Will consult with my other head on that though

Wheeeeeeeeee look it wasnt fully serious yaaaaaaaaay

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

[NotThePope]

Agree with the above, absta's my strongest townread thus far. Yessiree gets some townpoints from me because that's along the same thought pattern as mine.

[NotThePope]

wtf why'd we change our vote how is RC town wtf are you doing


VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

scum hydrae

often

wrestle with votes because they are both paranoid about being vcad and because their votes are never truly genuine

VOTE: notthepope

Good to know. Glad to see not having the same initial reads as hydra partners=scum, because that makes sense.

Seconding that Yessir, care to pursue it with me?

VOTE: King

[NotThePope]

It's actually the fact that so little has happened in this game so far, if there was more we'd discuss it more. Pretty sure he'd agree with me on this vote though. I didn't hydra to think I'm superior to anyone, but I do think he's wrong. Every vote except the alabaska has been made by notscience. The first was RVS, the second was joining a wagon to try and get us out of RVS (which it appears to have helped do), then TIP unvoted for some reason, then I revoted because RC OMGUS'd us, then I switched because King's vote seemed opportunistic, and I wanted an explanation for that. Yeah, there have been a lot of votes. But they do seem to have sparked some discussion, which always is nice. I'm liking Kid A calling it out as strange, although he didn't vote. Scum probably would have placed an opportunistic vote there.

Generic, the bracketed stuff are the two heads this hydra is made out of. Hence, why I accidentally posted on my main account. So, both notscience and The Irish Pope are together here. Usually it's pretty easy to tell us apart xd

Anyways, I'm waiting to hear King's reasoning for that vote.

RC/King/DCL/Smudger, feel like there are at least 2 scum within those 4.

[NotThePope]

That's an eiree accusation Om
But whatever
Notsciense speaks fluently
I speak in lines
Makes everything easier
However I will sign my posts
-TIP

[NotThePope]

so NTP is scum
he's been way too quick to jump on things during RVS

Jumping on things when they're done is a great way to find info, rather than let them fester and slip through.

the hydra dissonance looks faked, it's like they aren't even communicating together at all and instead they're blaming each other for their shortcomings.

Lmfao, the game just started and it's a new hydra acc. We're communicating just fine.

he's excusing his wagon jumping for "sparking discussion", which just looks like a throwaway excuse made up right before he posted it. also he's taking credit for 'getting us out of rvs' where no credit is due.

Then who gets credit for that?

also him calling RC out for 'OMGUS' just looks really shitty, especially when he's not really explained why it was a bad thing.

OMGUS- http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... d_You_Suck
after RVS he overplayed his neutral attitude to the wagon being on him, looks faked

Oh, I'm bugged by the wagon on me, but you basically spent this entire post saying how any and everything we do is faked. Good to know. Nice OMGUS there, but you're going to ask why it's scummy! Oh, it's in fact scummy because you're attempting to discredit someone who is voting your slot for an opportunistic vote.

VOTE: NTP

~ns~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``

[NotThePope]

God damnit messed up the tabs

[NotThePope]

I also don't like how one of them keeps townreading everyone who pushes on them

Wrong. Only two people I've given townreads on are absta and yessir, independent of their pushing. Nice misrep though

Life's not fair Generic :/ Now hunt or be hunted

[NotThePope]

OK since everyone is giving town reads on absta im gonna have to sthu...

You think he's scum? If so, state your case. That last bit screams scum appeasement. "Oh people think this guy I say I think is scum is town so I best just sheep them and avoid trouble!"

ns here

[NotThePope]

3 things I want to comment on here

1) Echoing everyone else, DCL with his opportunistic vote is scummy.

2)Om, I'm not about to read your slot as "just what you've posted" I don't care if you're two seperate entities or not, you have the same role and alignment so EVERYTHING the slot says should be taken into account for, and I find it scummy you ask me not to read what be did when trying to find your alignment, as well as the fact you "haven't read" what he posted. If you were catching up, wouldnt town want all the context available even about their own slotT?

3) General has us on his scumlynch for PL reasons.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ns~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[NotThePope]

I might be being unfair to NTP but I really am hating this idea that two people can play as a single role in mafia. The posts from them so far have been a little too erratic and I have reasons to concern myself early.

JESUS
VOTE: yessiree
We need to give this guy more attention.
- TIP

[NotThePope]

Liking whoever brought up that point about generic. Were going to agree there, kinda curious what happens when we....

VOTE: generic

Phonepost

[NotThePope]

Classic overreaction to having 2 votes. TMT was on to something.

Hes stretching for ways to discredit the wagon on him. Interesting.

[NotThePope]

Sorry about the inactivity guys, I was hospitalised
Om, self meta as an excuse just sucks

[NotThePope]

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo
VOTE: notthepopeVOTE:

What information would you get?

Damnit DCL, I was going to ask that.

Take a townpoint or two.

[NotThePope]

Yo I think someone is scum
And I'm so certain that person is scum
But I won't use my vote to try to win the game lulz


^ Generic in his prime

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo

Alright
I've tried to be calm
Rational
And serene
So answer this right and I won't drop a fucking brick on your balls
What information will you gain?

[NotThePope]

Yo I think someone is scum
And I'm so certain that person is scum
But I won't use my vote to try to win the game lulz


^ Generic in his prime

lynching ntp will give us the most information imo

Alright
I've tried to be calm
Rational
And serene
So answer this right and I won't drop a fucking brick on your balls
What information will you gain?

The one with the lower iq must have the keyboard.
I wasn't going to vote until I had done the review of you. When I did, I voted. I have just responded to being asked why I voted with the case.

Your response is to mock me for not voting... Riiiight.

Pathetic, really. You have to sink down to trying to slander my other head rather than come up with any sort of refutation. Scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum

[NotThePope]

Generic, why did you feel the need to vote now as opposed to earlier? You just refused to vote, and now, after no posts from your main suspect, you decide to vote. Why?

I never said I wouldn't vote. If you look back over what I have said I was quite up front about being stuck with the phone to play this off. Doesn't help with regards to reading people. But I forced myself and felt NTP hasn't been at all pro town and has never attacked me off his own back, seeking to come in after others have had a dig.
Also things of note:
#22 Defended someone when it wasnt even his arguement (white knighting)

I don't like moronic reasonings for vote, which he later says was not entirely serious, affirming this point.

#24 continues to defend but then pulls out a random vote to start a wagon.

Wagons are good ways to get out of RVS and find information about alignment.

#54 other person in the team chastises the names vote in #24 but then throw down their own naked vote.

Congratz, we don't agree on townreads so we must be scum, good to know.

#61 oh look. The original vote is back. Anyone would think this indecision is filler without anyone being able to push them in why that vote (because even they disagree on the validity of it)

Because RC has done nothing. People who do nothing need pressure to do things.

Then a series of posts very self focused and seemingly lacking in any sort of content or scum hunting. More filler basically. Then laughably tells me I need to get scum hunting.

Because you aren't.

When he finally begins to show signs if scumhunting he identifies DCL as scummy, but the next post they make has yessiree as one who needs pressure. Again it's a naked vote just for pressure, no case attached.

Votes all need cases? How about making sure noone flies too far under the radar?

Then we move to a vote on me. Liking the point about me, but can't remember who said it and never says what that point was, but again hints at the vote being for pressure purposes.

Okay, you remember EVERYTHING that EVERYONE said? If I quoted something without the name, could you tell me who posted it? I have a lot of names to remember, its hard to keep track of everyone else. Why repost what someone already said?

Basically no scum hunting I can identify even though there's two of them, several naked votes to appear active, a vote on me with some vague reasoning attached that someone somewhere said something...

You have done nooooooooo scumhunting and have no means to be talking there, scum.

I refused to vote just because someone had told me I hadn't, and the reason I hadn't was I hadn't been able to do any assessments. It's not worth voting on nothing. I found something worth voting on.

And it's the mislynch you're pushing to live D1.

@DCL, we both just get kinda distracted for using QTs, we usually bounce ideas back and forth on the chat.


Meanwhile, lets take a look at Generic, shall we?

First 5 posts- OMG HYDRAS CHEATING INSTA SCUMREAD OMFG GET THEM OUT

162- Nothing really, townreading people (wait, isn't it easier for scum to townhunt?)
166- Buddying and more townhunting.
The 4 posts from 172-187- Fluff posts, there to make him look like he's doing things but all in all he has done nothing.
188- Trying to force associative tells on the fact there is a wagon on him. Says that "affirms" his previous misgivings about my slot, which until that point had been expressed simply due to the fact we're a hydra.
190- I don't have time to focus on this game, when at the time he seems to have plenty of time for other games.
193- Newbie defense, strange. Doesn't seem to have played that card until he has a decent sized wagon on him.
194- More associative tells without a flip to appear scumhunting
196- Thanks captain obvious, your theory there really makes me think you're town! (Not.)
223- Wall of l0lbadcase
225- Him breaking rules
228- More fluff

Tell me folks, does that man seem town to you?

[NotThePope]

Meanwhile, lets take a look at Generic, shall we?

First 5 posts- OMG HYDRAS CHEATING INSTA SCUMREAD OMFG GET THEM OUT

Obligatory scum begging for a PL

162- Nothing really, townreading people (wait, isn't it easier for scum to townhunt?)
166- Buddying and more townhunting.

Scum like to townhunt and buddy because it's easy and can get them towncred, which he does here.

The 4 posts from 172-187- Fluff posts, there to make him look like he's doing things but all in all he has done nothing.

Fluff to look good in peoples eyes.

188- Trying to force associative tells on the fact there is a wagon on him. Says that "affirms" his previous misgivings about my slot, which until that point had been expressed simply due to the fact we're a hydra.

Trying to make it seem like he's actually done anything thus far.

190- I don't have time to focus on this game, when at the time he seems to have plenty of time for other games.

What makes those games take prominence over this one? Maybe the fact he ALREADY KNOWS THE SCUMTEAM

193- Newbie defense, strange. Doesn't seem to have played that card until he has a decent sized wagon on him.

Has attention then shrinks back like "omg I'm a newbie dont hurt me take it easy," which is scummy.

194- More associative tells without a flip to appear scumhunting

Still not scumhunting and saying he is.

196- Thanks captain obvious, your theory there really makes me think you're town! (Not.)

Talking theory to appear town while ultimately saying nothing

223- Wall of l0lbadcase

Presents a lackluster case to affirm his former "scumhunting"

225- Him breaking rules
228- More fluff

Tell me folks, does that man seem town to you?

Do you know what IIoA is?

You're both acting like children, actually.
However, I'm inclined to believe Generic at this point, because when NTP was presented with an argument as to why Generic didn't vote immediately, NTP focused on the insult instead of the explanation, while claiming that his point was never refuted. He's ignoring a lot of information to try and portray Generic in a bad light.

I'm still a child, idc.

There's your analysis, not sure why I have to spell everything out for you.

Yessir, why are you quoting ISOs?

[NotThePope]

Yeah TMT, it was notsci.

Anyone else feel like Kid A is just setting a vote down and riding the currents?

Content with him/Generic dead today.

[NotThePope]

Hey, we do have a QT, and we discuss reads, but we are really dissonant
Silly NS

content with notthepope or notthepope today

YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE FUCKING QUESTION YOU SCUMFUCK

[NotThePope]

So yeah I get your point now. The pressure on him I don't disagree with, he will either show some defensive fight or get found out, but my main concern was a seemingly strong scum hunter was being fast wagoned with votes that don't have the same level of explanation attached to them.

Where has he been scumhunting or voting with reasonings or providing any sort of reasonings based on what he's said?

[NotThePope]

I'm sorry NS, but Kid A needs a vote up his butt
VOTE: Kid A

[NotThePope]

lol
If you think players are "sub par", then replace out
The hydra dissonance will be addressed, do not fret
- TIP

[NotThePope]

I'm not hung up on the vote
You can notice because I'm not attacking my other voters
I'm hung up on the fact that you say things without backing them up, and you don't answer questions, and that deserves rope
- TIP

[NotThePope]

Yo Alabaska, 2 things

1) I OMGUS all the time

2) OMGUS is null

So meh

approx 5 days left, only two even up for lynch at are myself and Kid A.

Hmmmm.

Looking at the wagon on me, 2/3 are (already expressed) scumreads and the last is leaning scum for me.

That raises some flags.

My apologies for vanishing, This game kinda slipped my mind xd

If there's any questions I missed directed at this head lemme know.

[NotThePope]

Vote: NotThePope

I am also open to a DCL or Smudger lynch if either ever get any traction.

Kid A is a stupid lynch because the case on him is way too superficial. It doesn't show why he (as scum) is more likely to coy about his NTP vote. RC's case is better than all the people just sheeping the Kid A wagon but it's still stretched.

I'm going with an NTP vote because they seriously aren't scumhunting, unless you call fruitless bantering with Generic and Kid A scumhunting.

Theres no need to scumhunt with Kid A making such a nice case against himself by his "scumhunting", yet you vote us for not scumhunting. l0l

We like to banter, it's fun and amuses us. You want to vote us for it? So be it.

Yo Smudger, cowbells tunneling reeks of town, why are you voting her? Join this wagon over here if you actually want to lynch scum. Same to you Alad. Both of your votes are for stupid reasons. We found scum, we're just waiting until people realize this and start voting.

Stop boring us.

[NotThePope]

It's called pushing, Alduskkel, and you're just jelly
NS SIGN YOUR POSTS GAWD
Smudger, that was a really low blow man
- TIP

[NotThePope]

Not claiming til we hear intent, js

Trying to get us to prematurely is scummy :>

[NotThePope]

no i didnt you fucking moron you are clearing someone based on a misquote of a quote that you took out of context in the first place

Chill. Have a Snickers.
- TIP

[NotThePope]

"Our intent"

Oh, I'm sorry, who voted you town delegate? I must have missed it.

I don't claim without intent, and the fact you're attempting to make me do so makes me believe you are Kid A's scumbuddy.

"No Reason for town to withhold" WIFOM and bad and rolefishing

That is all, you scum are baaaaaaaaad

[NotThePope]

Kid A nice misquote there

He said he has to catchup first

So he's not necessarily claiming intent

Kid A Alabaska scumteam is obv

[NotThePope]

So you're voting me because of my Anti-town playstyle? Not because you thinmk I'm scum?

[NotThePope]

Wow, chill Ala
DCL is spot on, we don't want people claiming silly nilly to create a clusterfuck where we can't scout scum

[NotThePope]

My bad, probably confused you with the format
I'm telling you to chill
I'm telling everyone that DCL is right

[NotThePope]

Fuck you guys, there's a thing called timezones
We're a Bomb.