NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

ThAdmiral · Post Post #3900 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:29 pm

In post 3852, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3851, ThAdmiral wrote:I see that you are putting your hand up to die tonight. Excellent.
Can you start being useful sometime soon?

Love,
Nacho

Nah, I think I'm going to coast based on my pr claim.

In all seriousness though I tried to be useful about 10-15 pages back with some wagon analysis, and that is when everyone jumped on me.

In post 3853, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3851, ThAdmiral wrote:I see that you are putting your hand up to die tonight. Excellent.
WTF? CrashTextDummie is one of the towniest players and posted some good questions, and that's how you respond?

Sometimes the "towniest" players are scum.

In post 3877, ffullisade wrote:
In post 3853, Kublai Khan wrote:I see that you are putting your hand up to die tonight. Excellent.WTF? CrashTextDummie is one of the towniest players and posted some good questions, and that's how you respond?
I really like this reaction.

Although I'm inclined to give ThAd a night, I'll vote his ass in a heartbeat today if he continues to threaten players I think are obviously town.

- f

Funnily enough I really wanted to kill you last night even though I think there is a decent chance you are town, just because you were spamming the thread so much and I couldn't be bothered reading you!

In post 3893, Bacde wrote:I'm probably willing to lynch AK

but I'm gonna wait til there's a few more votes on it so I can fit into the butter zone better

still I'd rather get nacho

I dunno I'm just sure about this

I'm pretty meh on the ak wagon as well tbh.

Fuck it, lets give the nacho wagon a real go.

vote: nacho

ThAdmiral · Post Post #3901 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:06 pm

Ok so I planned on looking at nacho, ceph and seanald and I may as well do that now.

Nacho - red ryu and nacho argued, red ryu pushed the wagon on nacho pretty much all day 1. Although I have done that as scum partners before, I would say that gives nacho some non-bluescum points (<- happy slandaar?).

Seanald - hasn't really done or said much all game. Never mentions red ryu before day 2. Says one thing to thezmon day 1, answering a pretty neutral question. Pretty happy to lynch this guy.

Cephrir - Mentions red a few times day one, first null then leaning towards scum, but seems reluctant top put him as a full scum read. Day 2 puts a lot of effort in to looking at who interacted with ryu and how. He reads thez as leaning town day 2 which I don't really understand, but other than that his interactions look good - really hammered down on thez when it appeared he was lying, but then again scum would probably do that as well I suppose. Apart from anything else though I just like his analysis in general, I don't want to lynch him any time soon.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3902 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:13 pm

Seriously now? I wouldn't have killed Thor thank you very much.

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ISO · Post Post #3903 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:16 pm

I was beginning to think ThAd could be a sneaky SK pretending not to exist for the first couple days, but I actually doubt an SK would play the not-caring card and make little enough effort to appear town that he's generally unlikely to survive to endgame. So I'm leaning towards ruling that out and probably not wanting to lynch him ever if a third kill shows up.

ISO · Post Post #3904 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:18 pm

As absurdly WIFOMy as that sounds.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3905 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:35 pm

In post 3900, ThAdmiral wrote:In all seriousness though I tried to be useful about 10-15 pages back with some wagon analysis, and that is when everyone jumped on me.

In all seriousness it was some pretty horrible wagon analysis.

In post 3900, ThAdmiral wrote:I'm pretty meh on the ak wagon as well tbh.

Fuck it, lets give the nacho wagon a real go.

vote: nacho

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

ISO · Post Post #3906 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:00 pm

I was going to wait for the counter wagon to get some steam before suggesting it was probably scum driven, you tipped them off! D:

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3907 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:01 pm

I was trying to get him to make it more believable!

mastin2 · Post Post #3908 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:59 pm

Eighty-Sixth Votecount

:

(Nineteenth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Too slow, Mastin. >_<" votecount.

)

Amethyst Kitty - 6 (Kublai Khan, Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak, ffullisade, Cephrir)

Nachomamma8 - 4 (Nero Cain, Bacde, PeregrineV, ThAdmiral)

ThAdmiral - 2 (Human Destroyer, CrashTextDummie)
Cephrir - 2 (ArcAngel9, Seanald)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 1 (penguin_alien)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
ArcAngel9 is V/LA until Wednesday, Jun 19th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 156, post 3880.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3909 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:16 pm

In post 3851, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3764, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I dont think u should shoot nacho.

Nacho, why nero??

~Mara
I don't like his push on the Rena slot because it's lazy as fuck and scummy. He was attacking fuzzy for "not scumhunting" D1, and now is attacking Haylen for "not scumhunting" on D3. His on-off supicion of me sucks in general (I suspect you because you suspect me and you have no case and you scumslipped), his exchange with Angel about his fake vig power smelled fake from a mile away, and his suspicion of Bacde "this is not like the town Bacde I KNOW" even thought he doesn't really have any experience with him in the first place is just terrible. His backdown from his scumslip on me when Khan questioned him on his thoughts of a me-Bacde partnership smelled fake, as does his reasons shifting from LIAR SCUM to "I'm just paranoid because they suspected me for no reason ".

No, but it is anti-town.

and it is something that Town-Nero does almost all the time.

and if I learned something from Hydra'ing with him, it's his reasons for suspecting people aren't the best and he often thinks that the most anti-town player is scummy.

His play here fits Town-nero play perfectly.

and it also wouldn't be the first time someone made a huge assumption based on very little knowledge of a player

and it is similar to the reason why I was suspecting you.

His push on Rena/Fuzzy is bad, I don't like it as is his push on Bacde but that doesn't make him scum

I thought your push on Oversoul was really bad and I used it as major fuel for my scum-read on you early game.

though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

his other cases are just as shitty

he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

In post 3862, ffullisade wrote:and when I say weak town read I mean very weak as in I am not going to try to stop your lynch cos your khan push is terrible

Exact same thing has been said of my push on Guille in Inheritance and my push on Mac in Poetic. what did they flip Mollie?

also, mollie... Bring it on tell

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3910 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:23 pm

In post 3853, Kublai Khan wrote:

In post 3821, Amethyst Kitty wrote:VOTE: Khan

Dont wanna be on despers right now. I'm taking this 1v1 hut i will make a case tomorow, dont have the time to do it today thouh it shouldnt be that hard to figure out why i hink khqn is sum. If he was town, he wouldnt have needed to be goaded into battling one of his top scun reads
I love this "Khan can't vote multiple people at the same time, therefore scum" argument. I look forward to the rest of your case.

also, that is not what I said. before the day ended, you clearly had us as one of your top reads, and yesterday we battled Thor, so him dying would incriminate us I think

but, instead of furthering your case on us, you drop us and go after the person who actually lynched scum...

~Mara

same for the above post

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3911 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:04 pm

I have

You, Nacho, Bacde, Nero, Slandaar, CTD, Bulb as town

Desp, Angel, Rena, as weaker town

Khan and Ceph as scum, though Ceph may be out of date

PV as maybe scum

and the rest as Null, mostly due to the fact that there is nothing there that catches my attention.

~Mara

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3912 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:14 pm

No, never mind. Peregrine is town

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Slandaar · Post Post #3913 (ISO) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:23 pm

In post 3901, ThAdmiral wrote: Nacho - red ryu and nacho argued, red ryu pushed the wagon on nacho pretty much all day 1. Although I have done that as scum partners before, I would say that gives nacho some non-bluescum points (<- happy slandaar?).

Why are you voting Nacho if these are your findings? Nothing here suggests scum all it says is 'well hes probably not blue...'

At least try to pretend you are town ThAd.

Nero Cain · Post Post #3914 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:32 am

Would you hush?

In post 3909, Amethyst Kitty wrote:his reasons for suspecting people aren't the best and he often thinks that the most anti-town player is scummy.

Somewhere over in MD Mastin has said two things, that town will always post scummy things and that what's scummy for one player isn't always scummy for another player.

I mean maybe my tells are a lil' dated since site meta seems to have shifted to "I'm going to play scummy regardless, now guess my alignment." Fuck, even OS (and Mastin?) has said he plays a little (I think its more like ALOT) scummy as town.

As for OS, I think I made it clear that he was prob town but that I didn't actually care if he died.

but whatever, I don't give a fuck what you think.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #3915 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:25 am

Not sure about Amethyst
but why not Despo or Cepheir?

Sugar Cain · Post Post #3916 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:31 am

So you think the Cephir is redscum hunting the blue team or is there more?

Nero Cain · Post Post #3917 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:32 am

In post 3917, Sugar Cain wrote:So you think the Cephir is redscum hunting the blue team or is there more?

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3918 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:39 am

In post 3909, Amethyst Kitty wrote:1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we
were
scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Desperado · Post Post #3919 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:52 am

Spoiler: Khan eviscerating Amethyst

In post 3919, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3909, Amethyst Kitty wrote:1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we
were
scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.
1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You
still
haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and
even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit
. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Perfect.

Amethyst: can you explain how you went from this:

In post 3884, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Please walk me trough the Despo town read. I'm just not seeing it.

to this:

In post 3911, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Desp, Angel, Rena, as weaker town

without Mollie ever answering your question?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3920 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:00 am

The whole KK v AK that's all of Mara's. I'm not getting involved.

Despo:

You do realize we are a hydra right? Two heads don't see eye to eye on the same thing. We are fighting over the reads (again). I, Mala, sees you as leaning scum whereas Mara sees you as a weak town read.

I want Mollie to answer my question, but I'll see if that happens.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #3921 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:04 am

^ that's just a bad reason Amethyst... even for your hydra

VOTE: amethyst

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3922 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:06 am

In post 3921, ArcAngel9 wrote:^ that's just a bad reason Amethyst... even for your hydra

VOTE: amethyst

Really AA.
Lurking and now just toss a vote because I said something you don't like?

Try asking for clarification instead of just jumping on the highest wagon?

What's your thoughts on stuff? I mean you have been doing nothing other then lurking your ass off.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #3923 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:12 am

In post 3922, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Really AA.
Lurking and now just toss a vote because I said something you don't like?

Why are getting aggressive?
Despite khan's points, I didn't like the way you excused yourself for your misread on Despo, that's a huge scum slip. and anybody can tell you thats just so scummy and you're accusing me for voting you? serioulsy? If i do something would you let it pass? and now you're complaning that i was lurking. so now you tell me.. which is worse.. lurking or scum slip?

Desperado · Post Post #3924 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:13 am

In post 3922, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 3921, ArcAngel9 wrote:^ that's just a bad reason Amethyst... even for your hydra

VOTE: amethyst
Really AA.
Lurking and now just toss a vote because I said something you don't like?

Try asking for clarification instead of just jumping on the highest wagon?

What's your thoughts on stuff? I mean you have been doing nothing other then lurking your ass off.

Now you're just lashing out at everyone.

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