NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Bacde · Post Post #3800 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:18 am

In post 3787, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

woah thsi is definitely malakittens

why are you so upset with me?

I haven't even said that I'm obvtown for at least 3 pages

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3801 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:19 am

This whole last page.. Was Mala speaking, not Mara.

Mara has actually been signing her posts and I have not been signing my posts lately.

Again I'm saying this hasn't been Mara speaking so 3797-3798 doesn't hold anything. Also how can you accuse Mara of speaking when I directly said in post 3793 "Screw waiting for Mara"

mastin2 · Post Post #3802 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:20 am

Eighty-Third Votecount

:

(Sixteenth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "I'm overheating from working on this game too much.

" votecount.

)

ThAdmiral - 3 (penguin_alien, Human Destroyer, CrashTextDummie)

Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, Slandaar, Desperado)

Cephrir - 2 (ArcAngel9, Seanald)
Bacde - 2 (Bulbazak, Rena)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
penguin_alien - 1 (Cephrir)
Desperado - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 3 (PeregrineV, ThAdmiral, ffullisade)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
ArcAngel9 is V/LA until Wednesday, Jun 19th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 152, post 3785.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3803 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:22 am

In post 3800, Bacde wrote:
In post 3787, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.
woah thsi is definitely malakittens

why are you so upset with me?

I haven't even said that I'm obvtown for at least 3 pages

Reading it from any player just makes me want to cringe. You are trying to use your "cred" to justify a lynch on a player. Why don't you try and use another method that doesn't involve "Arching your back, making your tail look puffy" to make yourselve look bigger then you really are?

mastin2 · Post Post #3804 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:27 am

Side-note, considering adding to the "Important Links" post a (spoilered) list of every single official votecount in the game, and was wondering if it'd actually be useful to anybody. (If so, then tell me, otherwise I'll assume nobody's going to use it and will spend my time doing other things.

)

ISO · Post Post #3805 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:53 am

Actually, why are we voting AK given that if they are indeed scum there isn't a ton of evidence suggesting they're blue?

Desperado · Post Post #3806 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:55 am

In post 3805, Cephrir wrote:Actually, why are we voting AK given that if they are indeed scum there isn't a ton of evidence suggesting they're blue?

Because the only people who should care about that are red scum themselves.

ISO · Post Post #3807 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:57 am

I'm pretty sure everyone has an interest in removing that nightkill from the game.

ISO · Post Post #3808 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:00 am

Then again, Rena is like 75% the last bluescum and we aren't lynching her today so maybe that is the right tree to bark up after all.

Desperado · Post Post #3809 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:04 am

In post 3807, Cephrir wrote:I'm pretty sure everyone has an interest in removing that nightkill from the game.

Yes but only redscum has an interest in prioritizing another lynch over AK solely because they probably aren't bluescum.

Nero Cain · Post Post #3810 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:24 am

In post 3786, Bacde wrote:
In post 3783, Nero Cain wrote:.....................

my point is that there's no reason at all to suspect me other than the fact that I suspect both of you so it looks like nothing more than OMGUS. wHY DO YOU SUSPECT ME bACDE?
I dunno, I don't particularly suspect you beyond OMGUS (especially because I don't understand why you have had a continuing suspicion of me for a few days)

but Nacho is a good scumhunter, and he suspects you

so I figure if we flip nacho and he winds up town you'd be a good vig shot

but I'm willing to substitute in your place its not a big deal especially since I'm pretty sure nacho is scum

are you being defensive right now? Its hard for me to tell whats going on inside your head

yep, only town would want to get mislynched/vigged. I'm so scummy for not wanting to waste a lynch/vig shot.

This whole "Nacho is a good scumhunter so he as town has to be correct about Nero." is nothing but a big pile of bullshit and potential chain lynching. It also seems incredibly lazy.

Who are your top 4 scum reads?

Seanald · Post Post #3811 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:41 am

In post 3809, Desperado wrote:
In post 3807, Cephrir wrote:I'm pretty sure everyone has an interest in removing that nightkill from the game.
Yes but only redscum has an interest in prioritizing another lynch over AK solely because they probably aren't bluescum.

exactly why my vote is still on cephrir, too much fascination with blue team.

ISO · Post Post #3812 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:53 am

I'm interested in the blue team because some of them have actually flipped. I suck at non-associative tells.

Is that why Seanald? Really, how interesting. First I've heard of it. Or are you latching onto someone else's reason because you were full of shit?

Bulbazak · Post Post #3813 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:56 am

148:

In post 3688, Nero Cain wrote:
bulb wrote: The big difference between this quote and what you did is in tone. Kitty's question is more about the standards of the one questioning her, rather than pointing attention towards someone who did something similar. She is also not as offended with the inquiry as you were when Khan asked his question. Finally, in this instance, she is actually being called scum by you, whereas Khan was just asking a simple question and had not made any accusation, which makes your freakout even more suspicious.

And for those who are curious themselves, here is Nero's response to Khan again:
In post 2596, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2583, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?
Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

You think there's a difference in our "deflects" 'cause I'm calling her scum?!? But this is still very much incorrect. The Mala head DID have a scum read on me and Mara was even ok with it until recently.

Kitty did the EXACT same thing as me. I called her fourth vote on Nacho (and her "oh I didn't know there was a Nacho wagon") opportunistic. Her questioning me about why I didn't call out Bcade for his 5th vote (despite him already being on the wagon therefore he wasn't the 5th vote) is no different then my questioning KK over why he didn't question others that were setup speculating.

Also, context says that Khan was light calling me scummy.

Again, the difference is that Kitty was asking about YOUR motivations, while you asked Khan why he didn't look elsewhere.

In post 3689, Bacde wrote: What would you expect from scumcho?

A degree of non-genuine play. He came close in Voided's Mountainous Nightless game, but he was town then.

In post 3689, Bacde wrote: What about his suspicion of OS read as genuine to you?

OS had made a bull crap fake claim, and Nacho saw through it. I don't see how that is anti-town in the slightest, yet you are continuing to try to push that, in a similar manner as Ryu, btw. Pointing out, pressuring, and voting someone who is lying is not scummy. Period.

In post 3695, ffullisade wrote:
I addressed the hypocrisy in #1888. he didn't like my answer in post #1893. he thinks it is a playstyle issue. mebbe it is considering his flip. but I answered him and I simply don't understand why he was not understanding my answer.

Oh, you mean this:

Spoiler: Mollie "answering" questions

In post 1888, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1884, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:I am back to thinking you are scum. why? cos what I said made perfect sense and you know it but are still trying to push a crappy point
Then explain how what I said was hypocritical. Because if what you said made sense then you should be able to do so.

In post 1884, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:I was asking you to stop that condescending tone with me (you are still patronising but I will deal) and it worked!

that is what that was about. ty
I remember the last time you got dodgy about what you were saying and then went into a 'how dare you personally attack me spiel'

You didn't flip town.

In post 1884, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:people treat hydras differently a lot of people hate hydras on this site. you either understand this basic concept or you don't

*shrug*
How am I treating you differently?
Again, you're dodging the original point of the question to give a sideways answer.

In post 1884, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:2. erm that isn't quite what happened
So what did happen?

In post 1884, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:and I still say you haven't been reading my posts unless they are addressed to you

HUGE SCUMTELL
I've been doing that to a lot of posts this game.
Heck, i still haven't finished my catchup and no one has mentioned it so I'm planning to let that slide too.

In post 1884, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:I think you are doing the misrepping here and being opportunistic over mine and majiffy's dissonance. majiffy and I argue a lot in mafia we have 2 completely different approaches anybody who has played with us knows this

there is no way you can look at us and not say we are town for bloody obvious reasons but oh hai there are some moar of your posts I wanna address
It's actually quite easy for me to point and you and call you scum.
What are the obvious reasons I'm missing?

In post 1890, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 1888, Thor665 wrote:Then explain how what I said was hypocritical. Because if what you said made sense then you should be able to do so.
I did. you put a vote on a weak wagon when there were other options in play do you know who does that as a vet player and then tries to berate other players for doing the same it is scum that is who. I was wondering if it was a town tell for you but I guess it isn't

I remember the last time you got dodgy about what you were saying and then went into a 'how dare you personally attack me spiel'

You didn't flip town.
and I remember the last time you tried to use this as a scumtell for me. pretty sure you were culted at that point

How am I treating you differently?
Again, you're dodging the original point of the question to give a sideways answer.
no I am not

So what did happen?

I've been doing that to a lot of posts this game.
Heck, i still haven't finished my catchup and no one has mentioned it so I'm planning to let that slide too.
I mentioned it

I just said it

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It's actually quite easy for me to point and you and call you scum.
What are the obvious reasons I'm missing?
no it isn't. it is why you are going about it all clumsily

Probably the reason why he couldn't understand your answer is that you actually never

answered

him. He'd ask you a question and you'd leave him hanging and then later say, "I'm not avoiding your questions.", which is an absolute lie.

The hydra point, especially, is ridiculous. You originally tried to dismiss his initial push by saying that he was just treating you differently,

because

you were a hydra. Thor was confused and asked how that even made sense, which you dodged by going into a big hydra discussion. Seriously, your responses are nonsensical.

In post 3695, ffullisade wrote: posts #2764 and #2786

I answered his questions.

Are you serious? #2764 is Thor saying that you have not addressed his questions at all, and then in #2786 you STILL HAVEN'T answered those questions, instead addressing something more recent and saying that you didn't want to get in a "word war", which Thor pointed out was a lie and contradicted your original story about Majiffy telling you not to get into it with Thor.

In post 3695, ffullisade wrote: thor was not paying attention to the game HE EVEN SAID THIS WHEN HE SAID HE DIDN"T READ 20 PAGES

Thor was not caught up. That does not mean that he wasn't paying attention to the game. In fact, he was very attentive of current events thread-wise. If there was something that was important that happened in the section he was not caught up in, you could have always linked or quoted them, but you chose not to do so.

In post 3695, ffullisade wrote: and let's look at the question you asked rena.

bulb: hi rena, who all visited bc? can anyone confirm?
rena: hi bulb. well I said nothing of interest happened nothing led to a nk but so and so visited them but do you think they might be a town special??????

That is a blatant misrep.

In post 3541, Bulbazak wrote: @Rena: Did anybody visit Om n1 or Bacde n2?

I didn't ask who visited her targets. I just asked if anybody did, which can be a simple yes or no answer. She could have easily answered yes and said that she preferred not to out the player's name. I don't need the specifics. I just want to make sure everything lines up.

In post 3695, ffullisade wrote: she would have been outing town specials at that point and if anything her reluctance to do so makes me give her town points but scum claiming to be watcher meta :/

I don't understand that last part. You think she's town for not outing PRs, but yet she's scum for not doing so?

On to page 149.

Nero Cain · Post Post #3814 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:01 am

In post 3813, Bulbazak wrote:Again, the difference is that Kitty was asking about YOUR motivations, while you asked Khan why he didn't look elsewhere

.......................................................

there is no fucking difference!!!

Bulbazak · Post Post #3815 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:23 am

149-150:

In post 3715, Bacde wrote: Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--
the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum
.

You ignored the other possibility: That Thezmon was scum who didn't want to get caught on a Nacho-town wagon.

In post 3730, Seanald wrote: I still find cephrir scummy from the previous day, and he's still playing pretty much the same in this day.

What is the case on Cephrir again? Because if I remember correctly, the only reason you voted Cephrir was because I was pressuring you regarding your Syryana IIA.

In post 3740, penguin_alien wrote: As far as ThAd and Slandaar go, Slandaar seems to be trying to make a case for ThAd being red scum on a day where it sounds like consensus is that we want to lynch the potentially last blue scum. Given that you're showing where ThAd could be blue, I don't know why bluescum-Slandaar wouldn't go with that slant on the analysis.

Which leaves me thinking ThAd is a pretty good candidate for getting rid of all the blue scum, and even if it's not that optimal case, he stands a better-than-random chance of being red scum. So either we take a stab at eliminating a scum faction or get a red flip to get a toehold on that team. I didn't want to lynch into the neighbors at this juncture, but he and PV's weird purported interactions in their QT

This seems like quite a leap. Why exactly do you think that ThAd is blue scum?

On to page 151. (Mew! ^_^)

Bulbazak · Post Post #3816 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:37 am

The Mew page:

In post 3763, ffullisade wrote:kill arc unless mastin decides to force replace her out cos the active lurking/prod dodge posts are bs and go against the rules
mastin are you reading this
. I don't think she knows a single thing about what is going on in this game.

With everything that's going on, you're advocating a policy lynch?!

In post 3765, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy.

Are you saying that your slot is scummy?

In post 3770, Kublai Khan wrote: > Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.

You'll need to explain, because otherwise, I consider much of the pre-game stuff null.

In post 3770, Kublai Khan wrote: > Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Explain in more detail please.

In post 3774, Bacde wrote:VOTE: Nachomamma8
I think I've earned enough town-cred in this game to lead the lynch in this situation

How have you earned town cred?

On to page 152.

Bacde · Post Post #3817 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:48 am

In post 3803, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Reading it from any player just makes me want to cringe. You are trying to use your "cred" to justify a lynch on a player. Why don't you try and use another method that doesn't involve "Arching your back, making your tail look puffy" to make yourselve look bigger then you really are?

what if I am really big though

cuz in this game I feel big

Desperado · Post Post #3818 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:51 am

In post 900, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 897, Red Ryu wrote:
In post 894, Nero Cain wrote:no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.
Cop this guy.
No fucking no.

Do not ever try and direct night actions.

Let the person who has the role do what they feel is right.

Plus
we don't
know if there's even a damn cop in the setup.

Shut up.

___

Nero:

How, theoretically speaking, are we Nacho's partner? That's if Nacho
flips
scum..

Also answer my damn question.

~Mala

In post 928, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Please show me a game where directing cop actions were beneficial? I don't think directing any type of investigation or protective roles are helpful because we don't know your alignment so we wouldn't know if you are scum trying to point us away from your buddies or you are scum directly fishing for information.

It's a bad idea. Knock it off.

~Mala

She directly implicates Ryu as scum twice (making it clear that she only sees scum motivation in directing night actions) without ever voting him or even bringing it up again later. Pretty blatant coaching.

Bacde · Post Post #3819 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:51 am

In post 3810, Nero Cain wrote:yep, only town would want to get mislynched/vigged. I'm so scummy for not wanting to waste a lynch/vig shot.

This whole "Nacho is a good scumhunter so he as town has to be correct about Nero." is nothing but a big pile of bullshit and potential chain lynching. It also seems incredibly lazy.

Who are your top 4 scum reads?

dude chill out this isn't a "bacde is wrong so I need to push back on him" situation

I'm not even attacking you

notice how I didn't even accuse you of being defensive? I literally

asked

you if you were being defensive (hint: you are now)

Either way, fine replace me on the vig list I don't even care

we lynch nacho, if he flips town then I get vigged, and if I get vigged then nero gets lynched due to all this weird defensiveness

if nacho flips scum, then AK gets vigged

Desperado · Post Post #3820 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:53 am

Bacde, show me you have the support for a Nacho lynch. Because I don't see it.

When you realize you don't, vote AK

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3821 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:54 am

VOTE: Khan

Dont wanna be on despers right now. I'm taking this 1v1 hut i will make a case tomorow, dont have the time to do it today thouh it shouldnt be that hard to figure out why i hink khqn is sum. If he was town, he wouldnt have needed to be goaded into battling one of his top scun reads

~Mara

Bulbazak · Post Post #3822 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:59 am

In post 3776, Bacde wrote:Right now the case is:

A nacho flip will inform thAd in the most significant way for him to be able to make an effective vig kill

That is not a case. Explain how a Nacho flip would be the most informative for ThAd.

In post 3783, Nero Cain wrote:.....................

my point is that there's no reason at all to suspect me other than the fact that I suspect both of you so it looks like nothing more than OMGUS. wHY DO YOU SUSPECT ME bACDE?

Getting super defensive Nero? Yeah, there's no way you're scum...

In post 3809, Desperado wrote:
In post 3807, Cephrir wrote:I'm pretty sure everyone has an interest in removing that nightkill from the game.
Yes but only redscum has an interest in prioritizing another lynch over AK solely because they probably aren't bluescum.

If we are assuming that this is multiball, then it is in town's best interest to eliminate a NK. Why would you not want to do so? And why would it be more important to eliminate Kitty rather than a NK?

In post 3811, Seanald wrote: exactly why my vote is still on cephrir, too much fascination with blue team.

This is the first I've heard of it. It's almost like you're changing your justification in order to score an easy mislynch.

In post 3814, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3813, Bulbazak wrote:Again, the difference is that Kitty was asking about YOUR motivations, while you asked Khan why he didn't look elsewhere
.......................................................

there is no fucking difference!!!

Saying "Nuh Uh!!!" is not a rebuttal.

P-Edit: Desperado makes a good point on the cop case. Was that your point as well Khan?

Also, I get goaded into voting as town all the time.

Unvote

Vote Amethyst Kitty

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3823 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:06 am

Fucking phone...

Really now? And Im not talking about being goaded into voting, I'm talking about being goaded i to taking a stance againt your "top scum read" and actually interaxting with them

~Mara

Desperado · Post Post #3824 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:06 am

In post 3822, Bulbazak wrote:If we are assuming that this is multiball, then it is in town's best interest to eliminate a NK. Why would you not want to do so? And why would it be more important to eliminate Kitty rather than a NK?

But it is not in the town's best interest to derail a lynch because solely because they probably aren't bluescum. Which is what Cephrir said.

Please show me where I a) said I don't want to eliminate a NK, and b) said it would be more important to eliminate Kitty over eliminating a NK.