NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

mastin2 · Post Post #3650 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:57 am

Seventy-Seventh Votecount

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(Tenth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "The Mod better not flake! >:I" votecount.

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Rena - 4 (Cephrir, Seanald, Desperado, Human Destroyer)

Bacde - 3 (Kublai Khan, Bulbazak,Rena)

Nachomamma8 - 2 (Bacde, Nero Cain)
Cephrir - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Desperado - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 6 (CrashTextDummie, PeregrineV, penguin_alien, ThAdmiral, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
Haylen is V/LA until Sunday, Jun 16th.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 146, post 3632.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

ffullisade · Post Post #3651 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:12 pm

In post 3636, penguin_alien wrote: Eh, not a game I'd want to be remembered for. I mean, kudos to IaI and the scum team, but being duped by a fake cop twice and mislynched at Lylo, hardly a shining moment.

it was not my shining game either especially since I helped support some of the wifom by wondering if there was a framer.

god, uber goober so should have been lynched in that game.

Meta knowledge aside, it seems possible that Rena (hope your brother's OK) showing classic scum behavior might be more a side effect of having a PR and the overlap that can happen there. And I can't find where Messiah claims he's only one-shot. That is a game where the opposing scum faction had a Ninja, like Red Ryu, so another point where Rena could be claiming with a scum PR.

I agree that specials often look scummy to me that is why I special hunt as town every bit as much as I do as scum, so I can stay away from them and not trolleytrack and force an out. there is a bit of difference but for me it has to center around how much meta I have on the person.

Human Destroyer, why the vote with no comment on the role claim? Your ISO has you saying that fuzzy was useless and shouldn't make it to endgame, but you don't say anything about why Rena was a good lynch, particularly in light of being an un-CC'd PR.

I'm not getting the Nachomamma8 case, even with reading my predecessor's ISO. It seems to be based on the idea that Bacde and Nachomamma8 are bussing each other, but since there's no proof that either is scum, it reads like a circular argument.

I had a meta read earlier but we are starting to settle on nacho being town. probably won't be lynching him. before it was mostly bc and I meta reading him. do you remember who was suggesting that they were bussing each other?

what else do you got?

ffullisade · Post Post #3652 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:13 pm

In post 3640, Bacde wrote:
In post 3623, Nero Cain wrote:Still think its a possibility that Bcade was early distancing from scumCho.
Do you really think this?

I'm so amazed by this I just need you to confirm that you actually think this

nm penguin

Nero Cain · Post Post #3653 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:25 pm

Why would town Nacho lie about why she switched her vote?

ffullisade · Post Post #3654 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:46 pm

nero I remember you making that post but I will be honest, I didn't really see the lie. could you plz clarify?

Nero Cain · Post Post #3655 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:50 pm

Nacho claims she switched her vote to me b/c of a post that was made

AFTER

she already switched her vote ergo she lied.

Nero Cain · Post Post #3656 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:52 pm

In post 3655, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho claims he switched his vote to me b/c of a post that was made
AFTER
he already switched his vote ergo he lied.

fixed pronouns. lol

Bacde · Post Post #3657 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:03 pm

quotes and stuff for the dumb ones like me plz nero kthx

ffullisade · Post Post #3658 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:09 pm

In post 3656, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3655, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho claims he switched his vote to me b/c of a post that was made
AFTER
he already switched his vote ergo he lied.
fixed pronouns. lol

I was wondering why you were calling him a she, lol

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3659 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:07 pm

What breadcrumb?

What claim?

~Mara

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3660 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:14 pm

Never mind, found it

Yeah, Rena is still town. her crumbs and frustration is legit I think

Nero Cain · Post Post #3661 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:01 pm

In post 3385, Nero Cain wrote:all that scum hunting from the Haylen slot.

vote: Haylen/Rena

In post 3388, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3385, Nero Cain wrote:all that scum hunting from the Haylen slot.

vote: Haylen/Rena

Vote: Nero Cain

Both are generally solid votes.

In post 3398, Nero Cain wrote:Why? He's prob town 'cause scumcho was voting for him.

In post 3533, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3471, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho, what made you switch your vote from Thad to me?
your "scumcho is voting him, so he's probably town" post.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #3662 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:04 pm

In post 3624, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3388, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3385, Nero Cain wrote:all that scum hunting from the Haylen slot.

vote: Haylen/Rena

Vote: Nero Cain

Both are generally solid votes.
You're right Nero. I am lying. The reason I voted you was because of this post exactly.

In post 3623, Nero Cain wrote:Still think its a possibility that Bcade was early distancing from scumCho.
you think that bacde was trying to bus me?

nerooooo

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #3663 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:05 pm

I misremembered that post because I was talking about it with it.
But the post I voted you for is quoted in my votepost.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3664 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:16 pm

In post 3504, Rena wrote:I read that Kublai and ignored it because bullshitz.

You can't ignore reasons then accuse people of voting you without reason.

That said, I believe your claim. It's testable and makes sense given the flipped ninja. Also, I've got a town read on you.

In post 3546, Bulbazak wrote:Btw, whatever happened to penguin? I had them down as a likely blue partner.

He's still a likely blue partner.

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In post 3628, Slandaar wrote:
In post 3627, ThAdmiral wrote: What use is a ninja
unless
town has something like a watcher?
Well if Haylen is Redscum... But that was my mistake.

That reply makes no sense. You said you "don't see how a town watcher workins within the setup" not "how a redscum watcher".
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Reasons for voting Bacde:

In post 2820, Bacde wrote:I'm assuming the other mafia is red (since a red/blue dichotomy makes sense)

Nacho is obvredscum who shot red ryu for being a huge supporter of the nacho wagon, but also as an attempt to discredit the wagon by leaving the largest and towniest supporters alive

I bet he was hoping red ryu would flip scum to discredit the wagon

don't let it fool you boys

VOTE: Nacho

In post 3367, Bacde wrote:VOTE: Nachomamma8

Pretty sure thats our last bluescum

To anyone that's bothering to read Bacde's posts, it's obvious that he's tunneling on Nachomamma8 as a sort of default mode. It's meant to look like confirmation bias (tunneling town), but it's starting to look really fake. Look at these two quotes from his opening Day 2 and Day 3 posts. "Nacho is obv redscum!" "Nacho is bluescum". Tunneling town have a consistent, if flawed, viewpoint. Bacde is just staying on message and not keeping track of whether his message is logical.

Keeping those two quotes in mind:

In post 3372, Bacde wrote:Lets reduce our nightkills by one today

This is the real reason why the message switched to "Nacho is bluescum". Scumteams in a multiball setup usually prioritize killing off other scumteams because night-kills are much harder to defend against than lynches. Especially if they think the competing scumteam is down to one last member. Note that Bacde this quotes shows that A) Bacde knows FOR SURE that it's scumteam v scumteam v town instead of scumteam v SK v town. The naming of a scumteam heavily suggests that it's multiball, but it shouldn't be considered a confirmed fact. And B) Bacde knows FOR SURE that the blue scum team has only 3 members (i.e. lynching blue today eliminates the team).

Also this is weird as fuck:

In post 3370, Bacde wrote:I mean MAYBE I could be redscum fypov (who we are still assuming exists? It could be purplescum or magentascum or blackscum even, but the other scumteam basically), but Nacho DEFINITELY doesn't deserve to be higher than me on the list

This is a really weird backpedal from having called the second scumteam the red scum. Nobody really cared, so why make this rhetorical question? I'm guessing that Bacde's red scummates gave him shit for stating their color.

In post 3389, Bacde wrote:
In post 3386, Rena wrote:Hey bacde, who did you target last night, as vig?
I'm actually not vig, I was trying to draw the nightkill

I'm a reflexive night-vengeful townie

Hey, it's another bullshit fakeclaim. And it's the second fakeclaim to revolve around the ability to kill. Someone is trying to justify being linked to a murder later in the future.

In post 3555, Bacde wrote:Me bringing up that I lynched thezmon isn't my attempt at "town cred" dumbass

It totally is. You've done it four times now.

In post 3623, Nero Cain wrote:Still think its a possibility that Bcade was early distancing from scumCho.

I don't think so. Given that they have history, it looks more like scum-Bacde obfuscating any potential read that Nachomamma8 can get on him.

Nero Cain · Post Post #3665 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:25 pm

In post 3663, Nachomamma8 wrote:I misremembered that post because I was talking about it with it.
But the post I voted you for is quoted in my votepost.

you actually think that my vote on Rena is a scumtell?!?

Nero Cain · Post Post #3666 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:26 pm

In post 3664, Kublai Khan wrote:I don't think so. Given that they have history, it looks more like scum-Bacde obfuscating any potential read that Nachomamma8 can get on him.

Eh, Nacho looks like scum to me. I guess they could be scum from different teams.

Bacde · Post Post #3667 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:45 pm

In post 3664, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3504, Rena wrote:I read that Kublai and ignored it because bullshitz.
You can't ignore reasons then accuse people of voting you without reason.

That said, I believe your claim. It's testable and makes sense given the flipped ninja. Also, I've got a town read on you.

In post 3546, Bulbazak wrote:Btw, whatever happened to penguin? I had them down as a likely blue partner.
He's still a likely blue partner.

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In post 3628, Slandaar wrote:
In post 3627, ThAdmiral wrote: What use is a ninja
unless
town has something like a watcher?
Well if Haylen is Redscum... But that was my mistake.
That reply makes no sense. You said you "don't see how a town watcher workins within the setup" not "how a redscum watcher".
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Reasons for voting Bacde:

In post 2820, Bacde wrote:I'm assuming the other mafia is red (since a red/blue dichotomy makes sense)

Nacho is obvredscum who shot red ryu for being a huge supporter of the nacho wagon, but also as an attempt to discredit the wagon by leaving the largest and towniest supporters alive

I bet he was hoping red ryu would flip scum to discredit the wagon

don't let it fool you boys

VOTE: Nacho

In post 3367, Bacde wrote:VOTE: Nachomamma8

Pretty sure thats our last bluescum
To anyone that's bothering to read Bacde's posts, it's obvious that he's tunneling on Nachomamma8 as a sort of default mode. It's meant to look like confirmation bias (tunneling town), but it's starting to look really fake. Look at these two quotes from his opening Day 2 and Day 3 posts. "Nacho is obv redscum!" "Nacho is bluescum". Tunneling town have a consistent, if flawed, viewpoint. Bacde is just staying on message and not keeping track of whether his message is logical.

Keeping those two quotes in mind:
In post 3372, Bacde wrote:Lets reduce our nightkills by one today
This is the real reason why the message switched to "Nacho is bluescum". Scumteams in a multiball setup usually prioritize killing off other scumteams because night-kills are much harder to defend against than lynches. Especially if they think the competing scumteam is down to one last member. Note that Bacde this quotes shows that A) Bacde knows FOR SURE that it's scumteam v scumteam v town instead of scumteam v SK v town. The naming of a scumteam heavily suggests that it's multiball, but it shouldn't be considered a confirmed fact. And B) Bacde knows FOR SURE that the blue scum team has only 3 members (i.e. lynching blue today eliminates the team).

Also this is weird as fuck:
In post 3370, Bacde wrote:I mean MAYBE I could be redscum fypov (who we are still assuming exists? It could be purplescum or magentascum or blackscum even, but the other scumteam basically), but Nacho DEFINITELY doesn't deserve to be higher than me on the list
This is a really weird backpedal from having called the second scumteam the red scum. Nobody really cared, so why make this rhetorical question? I'm guessing that Bacde's red scummates gave him shit for stating their color.

In post 3389, Bacde wrote:
In post 3386, Rena wrote:Hey bacde, who did you target last night, as vig?
I'm actually not vig, I was trying to draw the nightkill

I'm a reflexive night-vengeful townie
Hey, it's another bullshit fakeclaim. And it's the second fakeclaim to revolve around the ability to kill. Someone is trying to justify being linked to a murder later in the future.

In post 3555, Bacde wrote:Me bringing up that I lynched thezmon isn't my attempt at "town cred" dumbass
It totally is. You've done it four times now.

In post 3623, Nero Cain wrote:Still think its a possibility that Bcade was early distancing from scumCho.
I don't think so. Given that they have history, it looks more like scum-Bacde obfuscating any potential read that Nachomamma8 can get on him.

hey kublai khan I totally understand you and can understand why you think I'm mafia

but you gotta trust me

because I promise you that I am town in this game

the reason that my reasoning on nacho switched from red to blue scum was because I saw thezmon as a partner of nacho, and thezmon flipped blue

it kind of fit in with red ryu being on the same scum team, because I've seen him attempt to bus before

Before that though, I didn't think red ryu was bussing, I just figured he was trying to get in a mislynch

The only reason I was investigative towards thezmon in the first place was because I thought he was being weird about nacho, who I've been suspicious of this whole game

Nacho is acting skeezy imo and nothing he's done has changed that

I helped you lynch scum before, just work with me til it stops paying off at least?

Slandaar · Post Post #3668 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:45 pm

In post 3664, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3628, Slandaar wrote:
In post 3627, ThAdmiral wrote: What use is a ninja
unless
town has something like a watcher?
Well if Haylen is Redscum... But that was my mistake.
That reply makes no sense. You said you "don't see how a town watcher workins within the setup" not "how a redscum watcher".

OK

ThAd says 'What use is a ninja unless town has something like a watcher'

See how ThAd doesn't think about the possibility of redscum having a watcher or 'something like a watcher'? thats because he is redscum and knows they don't hence I coloured him red.

So, my reply is; if haylen is redscum which shows how town doesn't have to have a watcher for ninja to be useful for blue... but based on what ThAd said this is obviously not correct hence; But that was my mistake.

Tie this with his townpoints instead of nonblue points and its pretty clear at this point.

Slandaar · Post Post #3669 (ISO) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:10 am

Anyways

Bacde I promise you Nacho is not bluescum.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #3670 (ISO) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:23 am

@ slandaar: so just to clear it up - I'm redscum, and haylen is town. Got it.

Bacde · Post Post #3671 (ISO) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:06 am

UNVOTE:

who are we getting slandaar

hopefully its a scum this time

Desperado · Post Post #3672 (ISO) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:16 am

Unvote
Vote: ThAdmiral

Bacde · Post Post #3673 (ISO) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:30 am

VOTE: ThAd
why not

ISO · Post Post #3674 (ISO) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:34 am

I think there is a compelling reason not to do this. Stoppit.

I could be wrong though.