Micro 186: Vengeball (Game is over)

Katsuki · Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:00 am

Yeah.. the PMs aren't exactly consistent. I couldn't find anything on wiki when I checked either.

Judging by the scum PM posted though, I assume it's just the team whos godfather is lynched loses.

Mod, you need to clarify setup.. as well as our PMs...

Katsuki · Post Post #20 (isolation #1) » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:58 pm

Vote: jason

Katsuki · Post Post #24 (isolation #2) » Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:24 pm

Unvote, Vote: Wisdom

Katsuki · Post Post #32 (isolation #3) » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:09 pm

It's pretty much the same as any vengeful? Except we need multiple lynches and/or kills to win.

Katsuki · Post Post #41 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:38 am

In post 34, Rift Adrift wrote:

In post 31, MP5 wrote:Actually, I was thinking it would actually help town ...

Because the game is nightless, every kill is town controlled. If we happen to lynch a townie, then we should at least cast preferences as to who they should venge kill. Of course, they can always ignore it, but it does give us another measure of voting and influencing control of a kill which can be analysed later as well ...

5/2/2 normally would be horribly scum-sided, but this mechanic lets us fight back imo.
^^ Most towny post of the game so far.

- f

Disagree. Having to vengekill is pretty much our failure to correctly lynch despite supposedly 50% odds (no one is gonna vote for themselves, so a townie correctly lynching is 50%).

And venge is always (scum = town - 1) so it's somewhat a mitigating factor.

I won't bother commenting on the venge-shot directing as my personal beliefs might not apply to all.

Katsuki · Post Post #42 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:39 am

(my point being, it doesn't really make him town at all, dunno why I'm arguing this but I guess just don't want to be blinded by it?)

Katsuki · Post Post #43 (isolation #6) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:40 am

Oh and Jason already pretty much said what I said with less words.

Still happy with my vote.

Katsuki · Post Post #55 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:32 am

Ok... considering mod sent us the wrong town pms, how does that make me scum exactly?

Katsuki · Post Post #56 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:33 am

Add jake into the scum pile but wisdom first.

Katsuki · Post Post #59 (isolation #9) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:10 pm

But that'd require extra clicking (read PM, checked wiki link, went to thread, saw OP, posted).

Katsuki · Post Post #60 (isolation #10) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:10 pm

In post 57, Wisdom wrote:Why am I scum, Katsuki?

Votes plus posting prior to me voting you.

Katsuki · Post Post #62 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:15 pm

You give me nice godfather vibes. Plus there's already a few players I find rather townie thus far so, maybe you just got unfortunate with your role PM?

Katsuki · Post Post #69 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:05 pm

Someone hammer.

Katsuki · Post Post #70 (isolation #13) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:05 pm

In post 64, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 59, Katsuki wrote:But that'd require extra clicking (read PM, checked wiki link, went to thread, saw OP, posted).
You have modded a vengeful before though, so you are familiar with the GF dying aspect. Reading that any GF dies and town auto win would pretty much freak scum out. That's the vibe I got from you.

Multi ball just means 2 scum teams iirc, so why would you have to go to the wiki?

I've probably played upwards 100 vengefuls including RL.

Your point?

Katsuki · Post Post #72 (isolation #14) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:28 pm

This level of scumhunting is laughable.

But I can't even be angry given the number of scum on my wagon.

Katsuki · Post Post #75 (isolation #15) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:31 pm

Also lets play a game since I'm bored.

Jake since you went through the trouble of finding that I've actually modded a vengeful before, let me know if I've ever scumslipped in any scum game I've played before (I scumslip all the time, just never as scum).

Katsuki · Post Post #76 (isolation #16) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:32 pm

In post 73, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 70, Katsuki wrote:
In post 64, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 59, Katsuki wrote:But that'd require extra clicking (read PM, checked wiki link, went to thread, saw OP, posted).
You have modded a vengeful before though, so you are familiar with the GF dying aspect. Reading that any GF dies and town auto win would pretty much freak scum out. That's the vibe I got from you.

Multi ball just means 2 scum teams iirc, so why would you have to go to the wiki?
I've probably played upwards 100 vengefuls including RL.

Your point?
you implied your reaction couldn't be fake because that would require you to do all of these things.

In post 59, Katsuki wrote:But that'd require extra clicking (read PM, checked wiki link, went to thread, saw OP, posted).
when in reality all you had to do is read pm, come to thread and see siv's post, and fake react.

Now you're just making up scenarios

Katsuki · Post Post #79 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:33 pm

In post 74, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 72, Katsuki wrote:This level of scumhunting is laughable.

But I can't even be angry given the number of scum on my wagon.
do you typically omgus or just this game?

It's not OMGUS when it's pointing out the truth. Crappy scumhunting tends to correlate with scum especially in a game of this size and nature.

And yes I "OMGUS" all the time when people make shit cases.

Katsuki · Post Post #80 (isolation #18) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:34 pm

In post 78, Jake from State Farm wrote:no, you made up a scenario to explain why your reaction means you are town.

Well no its exactly what I did.

You made up a scenario for what I did when you don't even know what I did in order to make my post look scummy to back up your shit case.

Katsuki · Post Post #82 (isolation #19) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:36 pm

Oh if I do get lynched between hammer and mod posting,

lynch Jake after me thanks.

Katsuki · Post Post #84 (isolation #20) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:37 pm

In post 81, Jake from State Farm wrote: p.edit - I didn't make up anything. I don't believe you went to the wiki, you would have no reason to given your familiarity of the vengeful setup.

You made it up plain and simple, considering what you said is not what I did.

Familiarity with vengeful setup =/= familiarity with vengeball setup.

This is my first time seeing this setup, it didn't exist back when I played MS.

P-EDIt: I am.

Katsuki · Post Post #86 (isolation #21) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:38 pm

I already have a target genius.

Can't shoot them all sadly.

Katsuki · Post Post #88 (isolation #22) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:40 pm

And I'm calling all your posts bullshit. ^^

Katsuki · Post Post #91 (isolation #23) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:41 pm

It's sad how obvious of a godfather you are, wisdom.

p-edit: You clearly didn't have the same confusion we did when we saw our role PM. HURR I WONDER.

Katsuki · Post Post #92 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:41 pm

p.s. I would honestly like an apology post-game you're a very mean soul jake.

Katsuki · Post Post #93 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:42 pm

p.p.s. You guys better not fuck up on lynching Jake when wisdom flips godfather. Watch how things shifted page two.

Katsuki · Post Post #94 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:42 pm

*on NOT lynching jake

Katsuki · Post Post #103 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:55 pm

In post 95, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 84, Katsuki wrote:familiarity with vengeball setup
why not research it before you /in? or right after you /in?

why wait til you get your role pm before learning the setup?

and I stand corrected, I did use the wiki to learn about multi-ball, but I did it BEFORE I /in'd for the game. See

In post 4207, Jake from State Farm wrote:/186

I like vengefuls, adding in a multiball(which I had to quickly search to see what it was) seems like a fun game
p.edit - why do I need to apologize? if you are town that means I was wrong, being wrong doesn't mean having to say you're sorry

Ok now your case is shifting to me as a player.
Why should I research the game BEFORE the game starts? etcetc.

In post 99, Jake from State Farm wrote:I actually agree with the wisdom suspicion btw

Backtracking.

Now if I see a Wisdom LYNCH with you on it I'll reconsider.

Katsuki · Post Post #104 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:56 pm

In post 102, Wisdom wrote:Yeah JK, in multiballs scum can genuinely scumhunt because they don't know the other team.
You're wrong about Katsuki though, he's scum and the wagon speed doesn't mean anything.

OH MAN THE DESPERATION

"NEED DAT MISLYNCH SO I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY BOUT LOSING THE GAME FOR MA TEAM I SMELL BLOOD SOMEONE PLS BLOOD FOR THE SCUM GOD"

Katsuki · Post Post #109 (isolation #29) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:25 pm

Hardly.

Katsuki · Post Post #112 (isolation #30) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:34 pm

Explain 99 then, possible that I'm misreading what youre saying.

Katsuki · Post Post #113 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:38 pm

In post 110, Wisdom wrote:
In post 69, Katsuki wrote:Someone hammer.
btw does this stand?
Do you want to be hammered?

What a silly question. This isn't even scumhunting.

I'd prefer you, and will settle for myself.

Katsuki · Post Post #115 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:45 pm

In post 114, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 112, Katsuki wrote:Explain 99 then, possible that I'm misreading what youre saying.
I'm saying I agree wisdom is suspicious. But I never called him town.

^Positioning to look more townie if I get lynched and shoot wisdom.

Katsuki · Post Post #159 (isolation #33) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:09 am

Bleh I come on to say I'm posting later and get this.

Well at least this spares me of having to post.

There's a lot of momentum for this wagon and while I would love to shoot someone harder to lynch I, fuck it.

Lynch Jake for me after.

Vengeshoot: Wisdom

Katsuki · Post Post #161 (isolation #34) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:10 am

Also my reaction was nowhere near over the top... compared to what my "over the top" reactions are.

Katsuki · Post Post #162 (isolation #35) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:10 am

In post 160, Wisdom wrote:Hope this is scum trolling, otherwise 2 dead town

There is no way you're town so.

Katsuki · Post Post #164 (isolation #36) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:11 am

I very rarely mis-shoot, not even in a 15player venge. (though it helps when you have a cheeky scumfuck called fate to shoot)

Katsuki · Post Post #165 (isolation #37) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:12 am

In post 163, Wisdom wrote:If you're actual town and you shot me, you'll see it soon enough.

Well I'm actually town and you're still not reading town so. I doubt you'll be flipping town and if you are your play was utter shit.

Katsuki · Post Post #166 (isolation #38) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:12 am

p.p.s. True scumslips don't exist, and all the supposed behavioural tells were wrong.

Katsuki · Post Post #167 (isolation #39) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:13 am

*not true scumslips, but supposed scumslips. Scum would not make the mistake of scumslipping in the first place (unless youre newbscum maybe)

Katsuki · Post Post #169 (isolation #40) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:15 am

This

In post 124, Wisdom wrote:Listen JK.
Me and Jake are your scumreads, right?
Me and Jake are also Katsuki's scumreads.
So if Katsuki is town (which is the only reason you might not want to hammer him), he will kill one of us.
Sounds good to you, doesn't it?
So you have no reason not to hammer her, do you?

is not a post townies make.

Katsuki · Post Post #172 (isolation #41) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:17 am

We'll see now won't we. ^^

Katsuki · Post Post #173 (isolation #42) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:18 am

In post 171, Wisdom wrote:Generalizing what town "usually" do and what scum "usually" do does not work on me

There is town motivation and scum motivation.

I highly doubt that you approach the game from a scum point of view as town and if you do then there is nothing I can say.

It has nothing to do with "usually", it has to do with playing to your wincon.

Katsuki · Post Post #181 (isolation #43) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:26 am

In post 174, Jake from State Farm wrote:
I'm scum cause I called you scum? get real. your OMGUS behaviour was your downfall. I expected more from an experienced player

trololol

and I had a BEST TOWN PERFORMANCE scummy too. It means nothing.

I highly doubt my deductions are wrong and we will see from the flips. Your case was pretty BS past the scumslip thing.

And sorry, guess I should've CAPS'ed my way out. This is nowhere near OMGUS, I pointed out the BS in your case, and you just went LALALALALA IM RIGHT IM RIGHT.
But it's to be expected since youre scum anyways so I really ought to stop wasting my time arguing.