NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Seanald · Post Post #3225 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:07 pm

Bacde where does cephrir fall into all this for you?

Also since desperado mentioned the neighborhood, I'm the other neighbor.
Desperado hasn't given me any reason to think he is scum in our qt although our Qt is pretty short.
There is also some interesting flavor behind it, I'll paraphrase it if we think it might be prudent.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3226 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:00 pm

In post 3166, Nachomamma8 wrote:the she feels more passive than usual even though we should've touched bases, we should've been getting scum together by now
her reads are janky as fuck; her reads on me and oversoul were fairly strange and she backed off, jumped on at a WEIRD time

No. Everyone's been calling me out for passiveness lately, especially in my Hydra's Just, no.

I feel like you expect to much of me

What's wrong with my reads?

You said at some point that, you expected me to engage you directly if I thought I was scum and I did. alot of my early posts had to do with my read on you, and me trying to get you to tell me your reads on certain people, and it took a while for me to get an answer, and me trying to get you to talk to me. I started to shy away from that though as my scum-read on you started to decrease

what do you find odd about me Scum-reading you for your attack on OS?

In post 2693, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2685, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:retracting my claws from you for now mara cos it is interesting what is going on between between the boys
Mara's looking townier lately.

and how do you go from this to wanting me dead with nothing about us in between?

I'll work on explaining the reads

Nero, Mala is scum-reading you, and I don't really see reason to oppose it while, with Fuzzy/Haylen we have polarizing reads on that slot.

and yes, I don't want to go back into skype history because it's filled with both Idle chat and information regarding two different games, not to mention the fact that she explained her read on you days, maybe even weeks, ago. You aren't given the same luxury because I don't have an opinion on you while I have a strong opinion on Fuzzy/Haylen. Might be tempted to Hydra-meta read you though after I look through the iso which could potentially put you in our null Pile.

Thor, why Vote Haylen when you were scum-reading us though wasn't exactly sure why She was scum? If you thought we were scum, why didn't your vote come onto us until someone else did so, and why weren't you trying to sell our case, but rather fight with Mollie?

~Mara

ThAdmiral · Post Post #3227 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:57 am

OMG how many thor/fullisade wallposts am I going to have to read? This game is already long enough!

oh great, and now slandaar is getting in on the act.

TOO.
MANY.
WORDS.

In post 3051, Bacde wrote:OK WHO WANTS TO TRUST ME ON THIS ONE SERIOUSLY

IF HE FLIPS TOWN THEN LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY NEXT

IF HE FLIPS SCUM THEN LYNCH NACHO IMMEDIATELY NEXT

I'M 100% LETS DO THIS GO GO GO

VOTE: Thezmon

Um, alright.

vote: thezmon

actually post 3063 is enough by itself.

In post 3070, thezmon221 wrote:No, not really. I think you're town, though dumb and useless. I always have, and quite possibly will for a while. The fact that I presented an action to you and clearly stated that scum did it was to garner interest from you, as well as to see where your motivations lie since you're stubborn. You see, it's been debated, even here in this thread, that dumb/useless town can be synonymous with scum. It's a gray area, so I'm trying to discern between the two and make sure I am on the correct side of the spectrum.

What the bullshit is this?
This dude is caught.

WHAT THE FUCK WHY AREN'T PEOPLE VOTING THEZMON??!?!?!?!??!

ok they are finally starting to vote thezmon.

Slandaar · Post Post #3228 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:00 am

Bacde is probably redscum because at the start of the day he switched his stance regarding me and Thor; which would be influenced by Ryu flipping Blue.

As Redscum Bacde D2 would know;
The red team and Thor wouldn't be part of it
Thor and Ryu had a fair argument early in the game making them unlikely to be buddies.

And so Bacde would as redscum conclude Thor isn't scum which at the start of day 2 is what happened with his read switch on me for pushing Thor.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #3229 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:07 am

In post 3192, CrashTextDummie wrote:I got really excited when I saw ThAdmiral's neighbor claim, but Desperado claiming in suit muddies things again. I still think balance between the scum factions dictates an even number of scum among the neighbors, which probably means two and allows for an all-town neighborhood. ThAdmiral's motivation for claiming is confusing to me and bordering on scummy. He says he was intrigued by my argument of symmetrical neighborhoods and claimed to put "things in an interesting light", but he then went on to speculate that there was "at least 1, probably 2" scum in the neighborhoods, which kind of puts into question whether he
really
bought into the argument to begin with. I can see some town motivation in trying to make things more clear (though I could see infinitely more town motivation if the turn of events caused him to actually suspect his neighbor), but there's also strong scum motivation if he thought his neighbor might be spooked into claiming himself and decided to preempt that in an attempt to look pro-town. I'm gonna take a look back at Team Mafia to check where scum landed in the cascade of neighbor claims in that game, and go from there.

I did start to question my neighbor's alignment. Let me put it this way - I tend to think they are town based on what they have said in this game and in the neighborhood thread, but on a game theory basis if there were 2 neighborhoods it would stand to reason that they were both infiltrated by scum.

Now that we know there are three once again it is likely that 2 of them have been infiltrated by scum. I think we are agreeing on the main points here. I actually think all the neighbours should claim so it is all out in the open, especially since we have mostly claimed anyway. I'm not claiming my partner because, I don't know, I guess its sort of rude to do it rather than let them claim themselves?

fuck it. It's peregrine.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3230 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:32 am

In post 3230, ThAdmiral wrote:Now that we know there are three once again it is likely that 2 of them have been infiltrated by scum.

No.

Neighborhoods are nothing but WIFOM traps. Treat all neighbors claims as VT claims.

ISO · Post Post #3231 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:07 am

In post 3167, Seanald wrote:
In post 2900, Bulbazak wrote:Who do you think is scum based off of Syryana's reads?
sorry for taking so long to get back to this, or even in the game. real life is kicking my ass.

anyway, Cephir would be the top one, I didn't notice too much interaction between him and red ryu day 1, but coming into the beginning of day 2, Cephir exclusively focuses on who Red Ryu's partners would be, I think this is an obvious and easy tactic for scum to try and use, and inadvertently or oppositely gives all the "red Ryu interaction" one needs to form a read on who his partner could be. So with Syrana scum reading Red hard, as well as Cephir hard and no one scum reading Syr, I think we got another member of blue here.

VOTE: Cephrir

catching up now, still got a few pages to go.

By the way this is garbage. You think I'm bluescum *just because* I'm hunting bluescum by looking for associative tells? I fyou were trying to connect me with Red Ryu I'd understand, but this is just a reach. Setting up to lynch me tomorrow? By the way, I'm going to do the same thing when we get a redscum flip (which we're probably about to).

Also, by my count,

thezmon appears to be at L-1

.

Slandaar · Post Post #3232 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:54 am

Havn't done one of these in a while so...

Town:
AK
ArcAngel
Nero
CTD
Om/HD
FF
KK
Baby Spice/Penguin

Probably town
Sean
ThAd

Scum:
Nacho/Thor/Fuzzy(Haylen?)/Ceph/Bulba/Bacde/Eddie/Desperado/Mac (thez)/PV

Lots of scums!

Thor is definite
Bulba is close to definite with Ceph.
Fuzzy/Haylen very likely
Nacho very likely
Bacde very likely
Thez very likely
Eddie was quite scummy end of yesterday.
PV is a bit of a long shot but mostly there due to connections.
Desperado is kind of meh scumish side note is that hes town when Bulb is town.

Bacde · Post Post #3233 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:26 am

In post 3229, Slandaar wrote:Bacde is probably redscum because at the start of the day he switched his stance regarding me and Thor; which would be influenced by Ryu flipping Blue.

I like how this game I'm being simultaneously accused of never changing my stances thus I am scum

and also scum-changing my stances thus I am scum

Slandaar · Post Post #3234 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:36 am

I didn't accuse you of the former so it has no relevance.

ffullisade · Post Post #3235 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:38 am

Slandar, do you think that the scum teams were unaware that there were two teams on day 1?

- f

Slandaar · Post Post #3236 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:43 am

mastin2 · Post Post #3237 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:48 am

Sixty-First Votecount

:

(Ninth Votecount Day Two,

AKA, the "I'm trouble" votecount.

)

thezmon221 is at L-1!

thezmon221 - 10 (Bacde, Desperado, Kublai Khan, Nero Cain, EddieFenix, ffullisade, Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Cephrir, ThAdmiral)

Cephrir - 3 (Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar, Seanald)

Haylen - 2 (Om the Destroyer, penguin_alien)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Thor665)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Bacde - 1 (Haylen)

Not Voting - 3 (thezmon221, PeregrineV,Bulbazak)

With

21

alive, it's

11

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline is Thursday, June 20th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-06-20 12:30:00).

If deadline hit now, thezmon221 would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
PeregrineV is V/LA until Friday, Jun 7th.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 129, post 3200.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D2

Spoiler: Votecount History D2

ffullisade · Post Post #3238 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:52 am

In post 3236, Slandaar wrote:No.

So you think bacde's change in stance is about *who* flipped blue, not that a blue flipped?

RR looked scummy to me from really early - how he handled his pre-rsv/rsv reaction test. It would be odd if the red team didn't have him down as a potential opposite number on day 1.

- f

Slandaar · Post Post #3239 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:19 am

In post 3238, ffullisade wrote: So you think bacde's change in stance is about *who* flipped blue, not that a blue flipped?

Obviously

In post 3228, Slandaar wrote: Thor and Ryu had a fair argument early in the game making them unlikely to be buddies.

Hence Bacde would think Thor isn't Blue.

In post 3238, ffullisade wrote: It would be odd if the red team didn't have him down as a potential opposite number on day 1.

So, you are saying Bacde can't be red due to this? do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

ffullisade · Post Post #3240 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:24 am

No, that's not what I'm saying and I'm probably being too indirect but that's kinda how I tackle something that I don't understand - work through the stuff that is easily eliminated. Being more direct, what is it about RR's flip that makes bacde's stance change look scummy?

- f

Slandaar · Post Post #3241 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:31 am

Instead of the normal town thought of 'oh Thors probably red' (no reason hes not); he went with 'WHAT SLAND SCUM PUSHING THOR'

Even though he had me as town and thor as scum.

Slandaar · Post Post #3242 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:31 am

In post 3238, ffullisade wrote: It would be odd if the red team didn't have him down as a potential opposite number on day 1.

What is the point of this if what I said was wrong?

ffullisade · Post Post #3243 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:41 am

In post 3242, Slandaar wrote:
In post 3238, ffullisade wrote: It would be odd if the red team didn't have him down as a potential opposite number on day 1.
What is the point of this if what I said was wrong?

The various "what they might do"'s are pretty much all wifom. But it comes down to grabbing some towncred early, or not confirming multiball as long as possible.

Slandaar · Post Post #3244 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:08 am

I think you are missing the point.

If Ryu was that obvious he would have been lynched.

So, why do you think every redscum would think Ryu was scum?

ffullisade · Post Post #3245 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:15 am

True. He looked obvious to me when I read the first 15 or so pages of the game during the night phase. Since then, I've mostly focused on isos and picking B&B's game.

I think that *I* would have had him down as scum on day 1, though. And I have this bias that what I think is obvious is actually obvious. And I should know better, given prior games. :/

- f

ffullisade · Post Post #3246 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:18 am

but, as far as missing the point, no I have taken your point on board enough that I'm going to explore some of bacde's interactions.

- f

thezmon221 · Post Post #3247 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:07 am

Well, I'm a L-1, it appears.

Claim:

Universal Backup

Reads:

Spoiler:

Nero Cain · Post Post #3248 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:26 am

Shouldn't you have another power?

thezmon221 · Post Post #3249 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:56 am

No, why would I?