NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Bacde]

ORIGIN

omg hes trolling us

Spoiler: <<< Not-quite-as-late-but-still-bad mod-edited-votecount >>>

Haylen - 3 (Cephrir, Om the Destroyer, Nero Cain)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
EddieFenix - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Bacde - 1 (Bulbazak)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Thor665 - 1 (Slandaar)
Cephrir - 1 (CrashTextDummie)

With

21

alive, it's

11

to lynch.

[ffullisade]

bacde, can you run down your other reads?

- f

[Bacde]

No, its not worth it until nacho is lynched

Nacho, I know you're reading my posts, I know you're scum, and I just want to say that I'm upset that:

1) You are hiding this game instead of pretending you are town since thats gonna work for at least 2 more dayphases
2) That you blocked my vig-kill

[Bulbazak]

How could he block your vig kill, Bacde?

[CrashTextDummie]

So CTD, you were about to paraphrase ya'lls talk from last night.....

Not without the go-ahead from Slandaar.

Dear CTD,

Why?

Love,
Ceph

You were a scumread yesterday. Your Red Ryu interaction analysis feels extremely surface to me (for example, you have thezmon as null when his one interaction with Ryu, an opportunistic vote on him by Mac, pretty clearly indicates they're not scum together) so I went looking for mentions of Red Ryu in your ISO and you look like a good bet for being his buddy yourself. You started out wavering on him and having him as null, then moved him to "officially scummy" when he started emerging as a counterwagon to Nacho's without contributing your vote (you were sitting alone on B&tB pretty much for the duration). You then gradually shifted him back down your list of suspects (he was a "question mark" among players on Nacho's wagon) for no discernible reason other than he wasn't posting much. In hindsight, you singling him out for "mindless Nacho pushing" bugs even more, because his attack against Nacho was more confusing than anything else in my opinion and only really obvious as a scum play to his scumbuddies.

[Cephrir]

Okay, fair enough.

I think you'll see that I'm not his buddy when Haylen flips blue though.

[thezmon221]

Firstly, I'd like to say I'm very sorry for being absent during Sunday and Monday of Memorial Day Weekend. I got caught up in celebration with family (and fixing a street lamp with my dad) and this game took a backseat, as with my other games. However, I'm back now and plan to make it up to you guys.

No, its not worth it until nacho is lynched

Nacho, I know you're reading my posts, I know you're scum, and I just want to say that I'm upset that:

1) You are hiding this game instead of pretending you are town since thats gonna work for at least 2 more dayphases
2) That you blocked my vig-kill

The fuck it's not worth it. Why are you scared to show your reads? And why did you just roleclaim?

And let me get ONE MORE THING straightened out. You just claimed that Nacho had two different actions that he used in one night. You said he blocked you in this post. And then earlier you claimed that he made the kill on Red Ryu. How about you take a minute to think about it, and then say what you mean? Or are you implying that he does, in fact, have two night actions (which is pretty inconceivable) that you magically know about? Which would then lead to the conclusion that you would be a scum buddy of his?

I think you'll see that I'm not his buddy when Haylen flips blue though.

Why are you not scum if Haylen is? Why is it not conceivable that you bussed Haylen?

You were a scumread yesterday.

Your Red Ryu interaction analysis feels extremely surface to me

(for example, you have thezmon as null when his one interaction with Ryu, an opportunistic vote on him by Mac, pretty clearly indicates they're not scum together) so I went looking for mentions of Red Ryu in your ISO and you look like a good bet for being his buddy yourself. You started out wavering on him and having him as null, then moved him to "officially scummy" when he started emerging as a counterwagon to Nacho's without contributing your vote (you were sitting alone on B&tB pretty much for the duration). You then gradually shifted him back down your list of suspects (he was a "question mark" among players on Nacho's wagon) for no discernible reason other than he wasn't posting much. In hindsight, you singling him out for "mindless Nacho pushing" bugs even more, because his attack against Nacho was more confusing than anything else in my opinion and only really obvious as a scum play to his scumbuddies.

Exactly what I thought. It sounds like an easy attempt by Cephrir to get some cheap towncred for something that is actually not very beneficial and shows very little ACTUAL depth of analysis.

Bacde just shot up in scumminess with me. His recent push on Nacho is so terrible. Not really sure what the point of him claiming vig is to me. It sounds like a panic and perhaps a cover-up for a tracker seeing him kill someone. It also sounds like another terrible way to frame Nacho in a bad light. Like, seriously. Even if he really is a vigilante, why is he mad at Nacho for the roleblock?

[ThAdmiral]

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him? not like Syr was a major player capable of forming a lynch on ryu to go through, and again Ryu was a pretty good bussing option, so why try and eliminate people who scum read him?

I don't know about syr. I mean there is probably a vig in this game, and while I don't think they killed syr it could have been a random vig or third party kill or something.

Um...Syryana flipped Friendly Neighbor, not Neighbor.

There's a difference.

~

What?

This is what Syryana flipped, not this.

~

So I check the wiki and I've never heard of this role before. I feel like a colossal idiot now.

Lol!
Although it is sad syryana died as that role. I really like friendly neighbours.

That being said I feel pretty good about ctd. I can see where he is coming from re: suspicion of neighbourhoods, and this seems like a genuine mistake.

Hmm...

Actually I'm going to claim now, because it could potentially put things in to an interesting light.
I am also in a neighbourhood with one other member. I'm not going to claim them yet, in case they don't want to be revealed. CTD's stance about their being two scum/town neighborhoods, one for each scumteam, did pique my interest. I've seen the like before, although in this case I think my neighbour is town. Would it make sense for two separate random neighbourhoods though, containing entirely town?

[Desperado]

I'm at work and haven't caught up with early day happenings but I am also a member of a neighborhood.

[Bacde]

And let me get ONE MORE THING straightened out. You just claimed that Nacho had two different actions that he used in one night. You said he blocked you in this post. And then earlier you claimed that he made the kill on Red Ryu. How about you take a minute to think about it, and then say what you mean? Or are you implying that he does, in fact, have two night actions (which is pretty inconceivable) that you magically know about? Which would then lead to the conclusion that you would be a scum buddy of his?

lol

please tell me you aren't this dumb

you realize that mafia factions can use powers and have other members make kills right?

some mods even allow the same mafia member to make a kill and perform an action in a single night

[Bacde]

Actually I'm going to claim now, because it could potentially put things in to an interesting light.
I am also in a neighbourhood with one other member. I'm not going to claim them yet, in case they don't want to be revealed. CTD's stance about their being two scum/town neighborhoods, one for each scumteam, did pique my interest. I've seen the like before, although in this case I think my neighbour is town. Would it make sense for two separate random neighbourhoods though, containing entirely town?

Its possible for them both to be town

Mastin isn't a mod I would try to outguess

IMO in your neighborhood you are more likely to be scum since you replaced Hanzo_5 and are white-knighting for your partner

[Cephrir]

I recognize that the first part of my post is basically just summary. I then drew conclusions based on said summaries.

[Cephrir]

@thez: Do you really think bluescum would bus today? they lost one already and it's multiball.

[thezmon221]

2) That you blocked my vig-kill

Yes, nacho is good. That's why he killed Red Ryu and not me

please tell me you aren't this dumb

you realize that mafia factions can use powers and have other members make kills right?

some mods even allow the same mafia member to make a kill and perform an action in a single night

Maybe I wasn't clear. You said that Nacho himself both blocked you and killed RR. You didn't say his team did it. You said HE did it. And thanks for ignoring half of my post, but you should actually respond to my questions instead of ignoring them. HOWEVER, if you read anything else instead of misrepping my entire post, you'd realize that wasn't even the major point. So go and actually read it instead of cherrypicking things that you can defend against.

@thez: Do you really think bluescum would bus today? they lost one already and it's multiball.

True, I forgot about that. However Haylen's death wouldn't clear you as town, mind you.

[thezmon221]

@thez: Do you really think bluescum would bus today? they lost one already and it's multiball.

True, I forgot about that. However Haylen's

death and flip as bluescum

wouldn't clear you as town, mind you.

Oops, that's what it should say.

[ffullisade]

OMG, Bacde no... I think I'm wrong about Nacho though I wouldn't mind you following me onto Eddie

VOTE: Eddie

Going back to where I ended yesterday, Fuck you guys for lynching OS though

Mollie, was it you who said KK was town or was it Jiffy because I want to know why KK is town...

~Mara

it was me

I had him as town cos I liked his posts and I liked his push on thor. anybody who pushes thor is my auto-friend.

but nero asking me about khan out of the blue like that was weird. and his crappy excuse as to why he asked was even scummier. if nero flips scum khan is likely his teammate

[Ms Marangal]

Okay, fair enough.

I think you'll see that I'm not his buddy when Haylen flips blue though.

This doesn't stop you from flipping red scum

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Okay, fair enough.

I think you'll see that I'm not his buddy when Haylen flips blue though.

This doesn't stop you from flipping red scum

~Mara

What of Khans post did you like Mollie?

~Mara

[Cephrir]

Okay, fair enough.

I think you'll see that I'm not his buddy when Haylen flips blue though.

This doesn't stop you from flipping red scum

~Mara

Right, but we were discussing the possibility that RR was my scumbuddy.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I kinda don't think that's the case, you actually worked to try and figure out who could be on the blue team and, from my perspective it looks genuine though I think that it's just as likely that a red mafia would try to find the blue team as it is likely for a townie would try and find who's on the blue team and they would get town cred out of it, and thus has alot more rewards than a regular townie

[Amethyst Kitty]

~Mara

[Bacde]

2) That you blocked my vig-kill

Yes, nacho is good. That's why he killed Red Ryu and not me

please tell me you aren't this dumb

you realize that mafia factions can use powers and have other members make kills right?

some mods even allow the same mafia member to make a kill and perform an action in a single night

Maybe I wasn't clear. You said that Nacho himself both blocked you and killed RR. You didn't say his team did it. You said HE did it. And thanks for ignoring half of my post, but you should actually respond to my questions instead of ignoring them. HOWEVER, if you read anything else instead of misrepping my entire post, you'd realize that wasn't even the major point. So go and actually read it instead of cherrypicking things that you can defend against.

@thez: Do you really think bluescum would bus today? they lost one already and it's multiball.

True, I forgot about that. However Haylen's death wouldn't clear you as town, mind you.

you are accusing me of cherrypicking your posts, but I seriously quoted and addressed the meat of your post, the only thing I didn't address was this:

The fuck it's not worth it. Why are you scared to show your reads? And why did you just roleclaim?

1)I'm not scared to show my reads and in fact there are many posts of mine in my ISO which show them, but right now I'm concentrating on Nacho. Its pretty clear
2)Why not

Also, lol at you pretending like its a big deal to differentiate between which member of the scum killed Red Ryu or blocked me, honestly I don't know to either. But its definitely Nacho's team on both counts

[Thor665]

Despite the extensive interactions with Thor I could still see them being scumbuddies. Maybe not from Thor's angle, though, I should take a look at that.

I have a dream, that one day Thor will be judged based on the quality of his interactions, and not the terror of the supposed ability to, apparently, fake any and all interactions...ever!

Ffullisade: Two things: 1.) The Thor/Mollie interaction from d1. Mollie actually was dodging Thor's questions. It was enough to move them out of the town pile.

Holy cats! Someone actually noticed!

I'll be focusing more on reads than on strategy probably. I know my strengths and weaknesses.

Want to address your partner's question dodging?
Is that one of your strengths?

maybe mollie changed her scum meta to match her town meta but I have a good reason to believe that isn't the case, which means you are in a town slot

Have you

read

listened to Audio Mafia?
Could you tell me if what I caught her for there is consistent with her town meta?
Because she's doing the *same thing* in his game.

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

anyway,, I want to hear peoples opinions, on Why Syr?

Who had him as a scum read?
My recollection is 'nobody'
I sort of figured that was the reason to kill him. Y'know, it's a crazy thought, but it might be right.

Vote: Haylen

Baaaaa!

[ffullisade]

Want to address your partner's question dodging?
Is that one of your strengths?

Hello! I've been looking forward to playing a game with you sometime.

I can't answer questions about day 1 beyond about page 15 yet. I imagine questions about Mollie's play will be better answered by her, though.

- f

[Bulbazak]

Ffullisade: Two things: 1.) The Thor/Mollie interaction from d1. Mollie actually was dodging Thor's questions. It was enough to move them out of the town pile.

Holy cats! Someone actually noticed!

Of course I noticed. I see a lot more than people give me credit for. I just had other things on my mind then, plus I was still trying to sort you out, so I thought I'd just watch and let things play out.