NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Bacde]

IF I WAS SCUM WHY WOULD I FEEL INSECURE ABOUT THE FFERY/MOLLIE SLOT WHEN MOLLIE ALREADY READS ME AS TOWN?! I HAVE NO REASON TO BUDDY THAT SLOT TO GARNER VOTES, IM BUDDYING BECAUSE FFERY IS MY BUDDY

ALSO, YOU READ THE FFERY/MOLLIE SLOT AS SCUM DO YOU NOT? WHY WOULD I NEED TO BUDDY MY SCUM-PARTNER?

GAAAH YOUR LOGIC IS SO WRONG

[ffullisade]

also, bacde, I only kid you about that game because you keep telling me to sheep you. I blame myself for taking my vote off Red Ryu after he replaced 42.

pedit bulba? buddying? I thought you had ME as null/scum?

curious.

- f

[Bacde]

also, bacde, I only kid you about that game because you keep telling me to sheep you. I blame myself for taking my vote off Red Ryu after he replaced 42.

if you don't ever sheep me ever I understand, I only ask that you not sheep the players I'm arguing with

[Bulbazak]

ugh this argument for nacho being town is ALL wifom

and your argument for me being scum is that I'm pushing on nacho

No, the argument for Nacho being

scum

is all WIFOM. And my argument for you being scum is the

way

you're pushing Nacho, not the actual push itself.

P-edit: I moved it to null/scum. I'm still trying to make up my mind about that slot. I'll probably get a much better read from Ffery in the next few pages.

[mastin2]

Fifty-fifth Votecount

:

(Third Votecount Day Two,

AKA, the "Don't nightkill the mod, he is scum" votecount.

)

Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
EddieFenix - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Bacde - 1 (Bulbazak)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Haylen - 1 (Cephrir)
Thor665 - 1 (Slandaar)

With

21

alive, it's

11

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline is Thursday, June 20th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-06-20 12:30:00).

mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA over the weekend.
AngryPidgeon, the co-mod, is V/LA over the weekend.

(

Oooooh, boy...

)

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
EddieFenix - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Bacde - 1 (Bulbazak)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Haylen - 1 (Cephrir)
Thor665 - 1 (

Slandaar

)

Last votecount was page 115, post 2850.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D2

thezmon221:
CrashTextDummie:
Cephrir: Haylen
Nachomamma8:
PeregrineV:
Bacde: Nachomamma8
EddieFenix:
Bulbazak: Bacde
Thor665:
Desperado:
penguin_alien:
Slandaar: Thor665
Seanald:
ThAdmiral:
Haylen:
Kublai Khan:
Amethyst Kitty: EddieFenix
ffullisade:
Om the Destroyer:
ArcAngel9: Desperado

Spoiler: Votecount History D2

On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 01:48p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 2820.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 01:56p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

EddieFenix

in post 2823.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 03:25p,

Bulbazak

votes

Bacde

in post 2830.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 03:39p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Desperado

in post 2839.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 03:44p,

Cephrir

votes

Haylen

in post 2842.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 04:00p,

Slandaar

votes

Thor665

in post 2852.

[Bacde]

No, the argument for Nacho being scum is all WIFOM. And my argument for you being scum is the way you're pushing Nacho, not the actual push itself.

you must have forgotten about how Nacho was scum yesterday

[Bacde]

way you're pushing Nacho, not the actual push itself.

have you ever seen me push a lynch?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hmm... kay, well I have been on the same scum-team as bacde, and played against scum bacde and this is town Bacde. He's less eratic and more controlled as scum, he is also more strategical.

I don't think the 1v1 with him will be productive to finding scum

RE: Thor, I found him to be leaning town early on and becoming nullish during mid-late D1 so I don't really know what to think ATM

~mara

[Bulbazak]

I've been on the Nacho-town train for awhile dude. Don't confuse my reads with yours.

P-edit: Don't use the Relativist Fallacy to defend yourself.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

~mara

[ffullisade]

ugh this argument for nacho being town is ALL wifom

and your argument for me being scum is that I'm pushing on nacho

No, the argument for Nacho being

scum

is all WIFOM. And my argument for you being scum is the

way

you're pushing Nacho, not the actual push itself.

P-edit: I moved it to null/scum. I'm still trying to make up my mind about that slot. I'll probably get a much better read from Ffery in the next few pages.

fwiw I think I'll be able to spot scum-nacho if he's scum this game.

and this IMO is town bacde.

- f

[Bulbazak]

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

~mara

It's the general feel that I've gotten from his play. I haven't been able to hit the ISOs like I'd like.

[Bacde]

why are girls so much better at reading me

[Slandaar]

Just lynch Thor hes scum.

[Bacde]

Just lynch Thor hes scum.

Seriously explain please

because this is the type of argument you made in Mini 1393 when you were bussing him

I need evidence man, or at least explain your gut?

[mastin2]

<<< By the way, it's right there in my votecounts, but I should warn you all--my V/LA and our co-mod AP's V/LA coinciding means that votecounts will be sporadic if they are present at all. I'm seeking a backup mod so that such unlucky overlaps don't happen again, but if I leave before I have an offer, you won't get much this weekend. Apologies. >>>

[Slandaar]

Just lynch Thor hes scum.

Seriously explain please

because this is the type of argument you made in Mini 1393 when you were bussing him

I need evidence man, or at least explain your gut?

All the more reason to vote him then.

[EddieFenix]

Just lynch Thor hes scum.

Seriously explain please

because this is the type of argument you made in Mini 1393 when you were bussing him

I need evidence man, or at least explain your gut?

All the more reason to vote him then.

Gonna have to (reluctantly) agree with Bacde here... I need some more depth from you on this, Slandaar.

[Bacde]

Just lynch Thor hes scum.

Seriously explain please

because this is the type of argument you made in Mini 1393 when you were bussing him

I need evidence man, or at least explain your gut?

All the more reason to vote him then.

no

I have no reason to suspect that you are bussing right now

except I do have reason to suspect that you are scum pushing a scumgenda

do you see where I'm coming from?

[Seanald]

Ok So there has been a lot of talk about Red Ryu and shit, and who his partner/partners is which I get, and the talk has mostly just been a bunch of bacde and bulba tripping over each other's penises as they run around a bush.

But I feel like we are forgetting about Syr. Why the hell him? was it really a random kill? which i Don't believe or was scum actually afraid of syr's reads?

Alrighty, catch up time. Let's do this.

Spoiler: My notes, read at your own risk

Fuck reading pregame
Massclaim? In a normal? Wut. #203
Claim on page 1. new record. Informed townie? wtf? Informed scum maybe. #204
Good call, Nacho. #206
Informed scum at least knows why we shouldn't be massclaiming day 1. #207
Nacho wins cake #213
Holy shit #214, contradicts himself in same post.
lolAAscumlol #217
dat scumhunting AA #227
Scum claim VT or vig or *insert bullshit role here*, then start killing power roles, ya no massclaim #230
Self-deprecating Desperado, IGMEOU #236
Def lynching AA too #239 and #246 AND #252, I'm not reading her posts anymore
I like Bulba for town #253
OS is not #263
Maybe I'll go back and read pre-game later to verify these readslists #279
Eyeballin Desp hard #282
"Everyone who massclaims is scum" lololololol #283
I need more eyeballs to watch Desp with #289
Eyeballs on Slandaar too #291
B&B pointing out flaws in HD's argument, +1 #295
THANK YOU, SLANDAAR. Now explain your scumreads and I won't have to eyeball you anymore #296
Why is Oversoul town? Why is Nacho a weak scumread? HOW ON EARTH IS AA WITHIN LIGHTYEARS OF YOUR TOWNLIST #300
Yes #303
No, stahp it Nacho #304
Wait, scum don't have day-talk? How you know this AD? #306
Nacho, why you being dense brah #308
I don't understand why HD has such a hardon for the buddying thing between Majiffy and Thor, why is it surprising when flowchart people buddy #313
Nacho, how does massclaim get us free scum? #314
Irony #315
Me and Mala can be friends, at least until Mara comes back #317
Reading my mind, B&B #318
No it doesn't, Slandaar-scum does the same shit #322
Must see if Nacho elaborates on these mollie-towntells #329
<3 Mala #331
Jiffy just Jiffied Ceph #340
lol Slandaar #345
Ryu thinks Oversoul isn't scummy, huehuehuehue #349
You tell him Nacho #350
+1 for not wanting to massclaim, -1 for giving Majiffy +1 #357
Fuzzy is providing major content, fuzzy -50 #361
Back and forth between HD and Jiffy getting interesting #360s
Strawman = involves mischaracterizing your opponent's position in order to present a weaker argument than they have actually given, thereby allowing you to defeat it. Good to know.
fuzzy wuzzy was a bear, fuzzy wuzzy had no hair, fuzzy wuzzy is a scummy fuzzy #381
Wow, Cephrir repeating shit people have already said, awesome #398
Agree with you 100% Red #416
Why Nacho? #417
Nero is being obnoxious #418
The fuck? #421 Maybe he's town after all, fuzzy scum usually has to try harder to come up with something that ridiculous
Bad Red, bad #423
Good bacde, good #427
Why you not voting fenix then, Mala? #428
Um, cause he's posting now? #437
Congratulations fenix, you just described Jiffy's normal play as a scumtell #448
Insinuations by Red, think he's reaching a bit #461
Uhhhh #466
Red, you do realize the case against OS is greater than just his claim rite #468
Very yes, Nero #472
Nachomamma, stickin it to the man since 2009 #473
Slandaar tunneling Bulba, interesting #479
Don't like Mac #481
Agree with DLG 100% on AA #494, not so hot on him wanting Nacho to repeat himself wrt Oversoul #493
Slandaar is scum #504
Back and forth between OS and Desp is fake as fuck #513-522
Nero is town #523
Mala's town too #525
HD still tunnelin #531
At least I agree with him on ryu #534
Desp is finally doing something #539
Bulba is town too #540
Slandaar actually doing something, mayhaps he's not scum after all #541
Oversoul needs to die #555
rofl bacde #566
Hey, CTD's back #594
Nacho/Nero repartee is weird #600s
And Mara comes in and messes my Mala read up (as usual, <3 Mara), those are terrible reasons to vote Nacho #626
Yerp, Ceph is scum #639
Hay Bulb, stop bein fluffy #640
Om is still useless #649
"I plan to lurk, guys" #650
And Bulba agrees #651
Ceph calling CTD town via CTD's self-meta, lulz #655
First thing Ceph has said I agree with #660
Liking Slandaar better now #663

All right. All caught up now. Reads list(in no particular order), based off above notes:

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Nacho B&B Nero Fuzzy	AK Bulb Slandaar Bacde	Everyone else	CTD Mac Desperado Red Ryu	Oversoul Om the Destroyer Cephrir

I'll give explanations on the reads to whoever wants them. Or you can trawl through my notes (only for the daring, you've been warned). Voting later, people are yelling at me it's time to go, catch ya'll later!

This was the scummy side of Syr's second reads table, I dont know how to copy paste tables seperately from the post it self so i just rewrote his reads.

Null: Om/Bulb Null-Scum: mac, Bacde, baby spice Scum: Eddie, aa9, red ryu, cephrir, desp, oversoul


Brief description of scum reads:
OS has admitted he lied about his role and I don't buy his reaction test BS. May reevaluate depending on what he got from said test (if it's damn convincing). Red's misrepping the hell out of Nacho and charging really hard to get Nacho lynched on said misreps. AA9 is not playing her town game (I'll elaborate more on this later). I don't think I've seen a single post from Eddie I liked. Ceph scumread came from repeating points already made in #398, his #639 was blatantly awful, calling CTD town from CTD's self meta in #665.

Oh, and VOTE: Red Ryu

so just based off of Syr's reads, Desp,Red, and AA9(based on his comment) are switched into the scum pile. and baby spice and bacde join the null to scum pile.
theres more to read based off of syrs reads switching but I honestly can't keep it all in my head.

after isoing Syr I can believe that Red killed syr, but if he did why did his team let him? at that point Red was a pretty good bussing option so why kill a person gunning for his death? unless Syr's reads were just retardedly accurate and the scum team got scared of him.

[Slandaar]

Oh

Bacde is scum

[Seanald]

man my thoughts are always more coherent than what I end up typing out.

anyway,, I want to hear peoples opinions, on Why Syr?

[Bacde]

Oh

Bacde is scum

ok nice to see how deep your townreads go

I ask you for an explanation and suddenly I'm scum

[Bacde]

so just based off of Syr's reads, Desp,Red, and AA9(based on his comment) are switched into the scum pile. and baby spice and bacde join the null to scum pile.
theres more to read based off of syrs reads switching but I honestly can't keep it all in my head.

after isoing Syr I can believe that Red killed syr, but if he did why did his team let him? at that point Red was a pretty good bussing option so why kill a person gunning for his death? unless Syr's reads were just retardedly accurate and the scum team got scared of him.

syr was a pretty strong proponent of Red Ryu scum, and its confirmed that red ryu killed syr (since the other factional kill killed him, and since he was a ninja he obviously targetted Syr) so it makes sense to me. Red Ryu wasn't in immediate danger of the lynch I don't think (at least he wasn't in danger of a vote from me)

Why did I move to null to scum, jw? Syr had me as null to town

[Seanald]

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him? not like Syr was a major player capable of forming a lynch on ryu to go through, and again Ryu was a pretty good bussing option, so why try and eliminate people who scum read him?