Micro 161: No-Newbie Newbie (over)

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Near-End D1 FoS List

Rach FoS: GM/

A_Stone

Mac FoS: Rach/TNE/

A_Stone

MER FoS: TNE/GM/

A_Stone

2 FoS: Locked on

A_Stone

GM FoS: MER/Mac

RC FoS: GM/

A_Stone

A_Stone FoS: TNE/GM

ETL FoS: slightly on GM/

A_Stone

Guys?

Why the fuck didn't you guys lynch A_Stone D1?

I smell BS on that "compromise lynch."

Also I retract everything I sarcastically said regarding your contribution; you've already done more than most other players in this game.

Now let's fucking lynch A_Stone already.

- b

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Based on this FoS list, TNE's "compromise lynch", and Rach kill alone, it heavily leans on GM/A_Stone scumteam.
Now I'm gonna read from beginning to see if I'm right.

Which is exactly the scum team f and I have been entertaining as a strong possibility for quite a long time.

- b

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Argumentum ad populum is the lamest possible fallacy.

It's not argumentum ad populum when the consensus is different from what he is advocating.

And even if the consensus was

exactly

what he is advocating, that wouldn't automatically make it a fallacy.

- b

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buldermar/ffery, what do you make of GM?

Vote goodmorning

She's in our scumpile but we are not fucking compromising about A_Stone today unless he inexplicably does something so amazingly protown that we're incredulously dazzled into townreads.

- f

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Why do you think he's town?

- f

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or better phrased...not as good a lynch choice as GM?

- f

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you know what.

I have this vague recollection that she doesn't buy into associative tells without a scumflip. I'll have to do a remedial meta dive because I don't remember where that memory fragment comes from.

- f

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He is advocating a lynch on Stone. I think there's a general consensus that Stone would be a good lynch. I haven't seen him provide any reasons to propose this other than "you guys all agree". Therefore it is a fallacious argument. Does that make it wrong? Not necessarily, though I personally think it is.

If there was a general consensus that Stone would be a good lynch, he would be dead already.

He did propose reasons. Did you miss the post in which he analyzed FoS's?

- b

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buldermar/ffery, what do you make of GM?

Vote goodmorning

Scum, but less so than A_Stone who is scum with capitalized

S

- b

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I don't want to be in LyLo with Scum_Stone and a whole bunch of people who doesn't want to lynch him. No, no, no.

- b

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Ok. Just in case I wasn't being clear, these are my point.

-TNE was lynched via "lol almost deadline compromise" lynch EVEN THOUGH almost EVERYONE suspected A_Stone (like, 7/8 people suspected A_Stone.) Now how the hell did TNE (3/8 FoSes) got lynched instead as a compromise? That doesn't make any sense at all. The correct townplay should've been A_Stone lynch day 1.
I didn't really read yet (even though I said I would earlier. I have some other games to catch up. I'll probably read up tonight, though.) It's painfully obvious that TNE lynch was scum-oriented lynch (iirc I think I kinda read about TNE being quiet, which is usually shitty reason for a lynch.)

Once you're done with your lectures, please convince people to lynch Scum_Stone today.

Thanks.

- b

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I can't quite describe the mix of emotions I'm experiencing right now. horrified relief is close.

- f

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agree. I'll sign on for the same will and testament.

- f

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♥GIF

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^^

- b

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You'll get lynched regardless of his flip.

- b

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You'll get lynched regardless of his flip.

- b

How do you feel about this now?

If GM is by chance town he would be the obvious intended mislynch for today.

Not b, but I have difficulty seeing a scum team in the remaining five that doesn't include GM.

I'm going to think about possible pairings for a while before I do anything else today.

- f

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@2: What are your feelings about RC?

He's in the frame.

- f

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How do you feel about this now?

If GM is by chance town he would be the obvious intended mislynch for today.

Yeah, I don't know what to think. I was so sure A_stone was scum. It's been a long time since I've been this wrong - I think I have to reevaluate everything basically.

- b

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Are you seriously thinking that I intentionally hammered him?

Erm

he didn't vote.

like, at all.

Except for that initial random vote and TNE vote.

And his GM scumread was the most descriptive one.

He never voted GM in his post.

Yeah you can die.

VOTE: A_Stone

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Well who was right about Stone?

That's right, IT WAS ME EVERYBODY. Nobody else, JUST ME. I don't even care that I was wrong about Mac, this feels really good and I think Mr E is still Scum.

Still haven't worked up a case though, for personal reasons.

@GIF: Why do you give a shit what Mr E thinks about your wrong cases and why, if you are what you seem to be implying you are, haven't you just outed "your report" already? This is LyLo.

@2: What are your feelings about RC?

You being right about A_stone does not make you town.

- b

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@2: What are your feelings about RC?

You being right about A_stone does not make you town.

- b

Please demonstrate where I claimed it did.[/quote]Please demonstrate that I claimed you claimed it did.

- b

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Please demonstrate that you did not imply such.

this is fucking hilarious coming from you in this game, with your short-circuited gambits, your never-present cases, the day 1 hammer-vote promise that I had to suck up with 3-4 minutes left on the clock.

Your game has been mostly handwaving so far. How about some substance? If you think RC looks scummy do the work and show us why. And who else do you think is scum?

- f

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that is so not a case on rc or another scumsoect.

- f

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Please demonstrate that you did not imply such.

Please demonstrate that I did (as the absence of something can't be demonstrated).

- b

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I think that replacements get the results for the slot that they are replacing into right?

Not always but sometimes.

- b

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So are we lynching RC or GM?

- b

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@GM and RC

Who do you think is the 2nd scum and why?

- f

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235

after that I mostly posted something about it when a read changed.

- f

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or are you talking about those catch up walls I do when I parachute into an ongoing game?

- f

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All i know is 2 and MER aint scum together

how so? and who could we be scum with?

- f

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Mr E Roll

I was under the impression that your questions are for buldermar, so I didn't reply.

I tried to do a complete reset on this game after A_Stone's flip. I don't think I was entirely successful because I wound up with nearly the same reads I had before, i.e, you, ETL/GiF, town, RC questionable after being one of my stronger town reads, and GM scum.

So, I still feel that GM is the best lynch option.

Re your second question, it probably doesn't make a difference. If GM is town and is right about you being scum, then way too many of my reads have been shit this game. And I am arrogant enough to think that's not the case.

- f

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Just doing a few posts now to make sure everyone understands where things are:

One or both of RC and GM is scum, so we need to be lynching one of GM and RC today (if neither were scum, then the two scum would have hammered either of them).

- b

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thank god you didn't hammer

why?

- f

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I am trusting you buldermar. don't let me down.

Mac, if you read this: I'm sorry I let you down, but I think f and I are THIS close to have solved this game now. Will post soon.

- b

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Alright so I just looked through every conversation between GM and RC in this game and it doesn't add up. Firstly, there is a lot of akward conversations. For instance, at one point RC votes GM and GM doesn't react to it at all (very unlike GM because GM was reacting to all sorts of things at that time).

I think they went into this day with a plan of bussing each other, as evident by the huge walls by RC. If you look at all of RC's previous posts, they have been lazy as fuck. Suddently he got motivated - no wonder; they're quite close to winning.

GiF is town because it's very unlikely for scum to claim a PR at this point when it could easily be challenged and, in addition, he didn't even claim the PR with the most utility (he claimed JK when he could have claimed cop). Mr E is town as well. He has been wary of everyone throughout the entire game and his thoughts has been logical.

We take full responsibility if we lose this game, and yala yala, but we are absolutely convinced that the team has to be GM and RC.

VOTE: GM

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I am incredibly confident about this so

Vote: RC

I think this is one of GM's rare sincere posts.

- b

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oh well Mr E deserves it.

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I wasn’t going to post until N did the lynch scene but I think RC already spoiled that so…

oh well Mr E deserves it.

Thank you. But to be fair I think it’s only because I was willing and

able

to be more active than some of the town players. I think if TNE, Rach, SOAT, ETL and to a lesser extent GM had been more present and active things could have gone much differently. I hope everybody who experienced misfortunes during the course of this game are seeing their circumstances improve.

This is the second time I didn't listen to my gut instinct and cost the game q.q

Don’t blame yourself too much you didn’t even vote. But you are responsible in that you didn’t even share what your gut feelings were. I think it was still possible to persuade 2 that it was a RC/MER scum team but it was going to take some effort.

Anyhow I didn’t think this was the most interesting or active game but I did enjoy the player list and would definitely play with you all again. I hope you all feel the same way.

RC it was great being your partner and you did exactly what you said you would you played it cool.

And finally thanks for modding N. I thought you didn’t a flawless job.

I'd be happy to read the scum QT if possible. Congratulations on the win to both of you =)

Also thank you N for being the mod of this game!

Thank you all for playing.

- b

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^^ seconded

And thanks to ETL, Mac, and GiF for replacing into this game and keeping it moving along.

it was not exactly the most impressive hydra debut.

hopefully our future collaborations will be more successful.

- f

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I hope to get there eventually GM

- f