Micro 161: No-Newbie Newbie (over)

[GuyInFreezer]

/towntells

Now that I got this out of the way

I'm gonna read.

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote Count 1.21

thenewearth

( 5 ) RedCoyote , Mac , A_Stone , Mr E Roll , ²

Before I read

doc lynch?

scum probably in this wagon.

[GuyInFreezer]

And I'm about to find out why

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote Count 1.21

thenewearth

( 5 ) RedCoyote , Mac , A_Stone , Mr E Roll , ²

Before I read

doc lynch?

scum probably in this wagon.

Oh hey, what a brilliant contribution from you.

- b

ikr?

Very surprised that this game has less than 30 pages.

[GuyInFreezer]

Near-End D1 FoS List

Rach FoS: GM/

A_Stone

Mac FoS: Rach/TNE/

A_Stone

MER FoS: TNE/GM/

A_Stone

2 FoS: Locked on

A_Stone

GM FoS: MER/Mac

RC FoS: GM/

A_Stone

A_Stone FoS: TNE/GM

ETL FoS: slightly on GM/

A_Stone

Guys?

Why the fuck didn't you guys lynch A_Stone D1?

I smell BS on that "compromise lynch."

[GuyInFreezer]

Based on this FoS list, TNE's "compromise lynch", and Rach kill alone, it heavily leans on GM/A_Stone scumteam.
Now I'm gonna read from beginning to see if I'm right.

[GuyInFreezer]

Using fallacy as defense is the lamest possible defense.

[GuyInFreezer]

Since when?

All I did was calling BS on TNE "compromise" lynch when almost everyone was FoSing A_Stone.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok. Just in case I wasn't being clear, these are my point.

-TNE was lynched via "lol almost deadline compromise" lynch EVEN THOUGH almost EVERYONE suspected A_Stone (like, 7/8 people suspected A_Stone.) Now how the hell did TNE (3/8 FoSes) got lynched instead as a compromise? That doesn't make any sense at all. The correct townplay should've been A_Stone lynch day 1.
I didn't really read yet (even though I said I would earlier. I have some other games to catch up. I'll probably read up tonight, though.) It's painfully obvious that TNE lynch was scum-oriented lynch (iirc I think I kinda read about TNE being quiet, which is usually shitty reason for a lynch.)

[GuyInFreezer]

First thing first

Dear Town
2 is town as hell.

Now A_Stone's Day 2 posts.

Says the guy trying to mislynch a townie

That all you got?

Eh, ok then.

In no particular order:

Mac and RC seem pretty genuine, although I don't really get what RC is talking about.

MER seems genuine, and the TNE thing that pinged my scumdar a bit is nullified,

GM, My mind tells me scum, for things like refusing to acknowledge why she was voting Mac instead of MER when MER had more support for a lynch when she stated she was 100% sure. Then again my gut is screaming town due to posts like #350, I've never really seen scum do things like that, I would have expected scum-gm to out her reasoning to avert suspicion, which she has not done. I also have a hard time seeing #357 coming from scum. Her case showed work had been put into it, but I'm not sure how she could have done work if all she kept in her mind was her basic reads, so I don't feel she was entirely honest about only keeping 'I think these people are scum' in her head.

ETL, I personally never really liked the way ETL and 2 kinda swayed to thinking each other were town, it seemed planned. Then again, I'm paranoid . Although I can definitely understand his vote on GM, the reads, even though I thought work had been put into them, weren't really all GM had shined them up to be.

2, I like -f's posts, they seem genuine to me, -b's posts are quite annoying though, although I quite like that he's toned it down. His blatant tunneling is non-sensical and *in my opinion*

No, you're not going to claim, because we're lynching A_stone.

- b

This was a bit terrible.

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I am a bit concerned with AS still.

I want others to acknowledge the point I made, because it totally has flipped my read of AS.

What did I do overnight to change your minute concern into a full scum read?

Or are you just overthinking it.

First of all, despite him having (barely) scumreads, no vote.

Second of all, his "scumreads" are very weak. (See: "maybe I'm just a paranoid")

If I feel they're genuine then I don't believe they're lying, and since I don't know who the town are then I feel that how truthful they are is a good gauge, and I haven't seen many slips from them.

Yeah, you're pretty much correct.

Although I have a weaker scumread on ETL,

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@RC, It was an exclamation not a question, and I don't see the problem, especially when I was correct.

emphasizing that he doesn't know who town are.

If I feel they're genuine then I don't believe they're lying, and since I don't know who the town are then I feel that how truthful they are is a good gauge, and I haven't seen many slips from them.

Yeah, you're pretty much correct.

Although I have a weaker scumread on ETL,

Can you explain what you meant in your 540 which was in response to buldermar's post 539? Because I see an implicit assumption in that post.

- f

His action annoyed me, he jumped in and voted me, and then insulted all the other players for not having me lynched...
...I can understand the vote, heck, I expected it after all the tunneling. But the insult was uncalled for and simply derogatory, his reads have no more validity than anyone else's so far, and yet he's making them seem like they're fully correct.

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@GM, It really does look like you're winging it, if you aren't, as you claim, maybe if you explained your thoughts instead of keeping them to yourself it would alleviate the problem.

Could you post a reads list 2?

Same for RC

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On that note, I must inquire on RC's reasoning for his scumread, if I was not lying, and I did not intend my question would be answered, why the read?

The reason why A_Stone thinks buldy is scum: insulting other people to vote him.

Also after this, lemme check his voting history and FoSes.

[GuyInFreezer]

Erm

he didn't vote.

like, at all.

Except for that initial random vote and TNE vote.

And his GM scumread was the most descriptive one.

He never voted GM in his post.

Yeah you can die.

VOTE: A_Stone

[GuyInFreezer]

Fuck I just hammered him.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh well. That gives me 2 days to read up D1.

[GuyInFreezer]

Just in case I die:

If A_Stone flip scum, hardlynch GM tomorrow plz.

[GuyInFreezer]

I probably should explain why GM is scum if A_Stone is scum.

Look at A_Stone's reads. The only "detailed" scumread he had on is GM. Why? Because A_Stone knows GM is scum. He never voted GM. Why? Because GM is his partner.

[GuyInFreezer]

Are you seriously thinking that I intentionally hammered him?

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah that was supposed to be L-1 vote.
Later I realized that Mac voted him too.

I love how you're not even considering my "case" on A_Stone.

Anyway, keep talking. I'm outing my report when time comes.

[GuyInFreezer]

and no, by that time I only read late d1 and d2.

[GuyInFreezer]

Because the hammervote is the only thing he is addressing + LyLo.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well shit. This went horribly wrong.

I'm actually a Jailkeeper, and I tried to imply that I'm cop to see if there was sudden panic/distancing.

Instead I see stupid "no you did it" between GM/2 and other two going puppy eyes on me.

I hate you all.

I jailed MER Night 1 and GM night 2.

[GuyInFreezer]

@MER:I said that because 2 was my strongest townread.

[GuyInFreezer]

Fery
i saw no full readlist from you in your iso
I am very disappointed

[GuyInFreezer]

Now i feel like an idiot

[GuyInFreezer]

Also i want rc to answer 2's question.
MER you should too.

[GuyInFreezer]

All i know is 2 and MER aint scum together

[GuyInFreezer]

thank god you didn't hammer

[GuyInFreezer]

All i know is 2 and MER aint scum together

how so? and who could we be scum with?

- f

This is what I get for playing Mafia at 2 AM.

I meant GM and MER.

[GuyInFreezer]

because the fact that you didn't hammer means that I read you correctly.

[GuyInFreezer]

Welp

[GuyInFreezer]

This is the second time I didn't listen to my gut instinct and cost the game q.q
(First time being 5p vengeful. Nacho hosted it.)

[GuyInFreezer]

I was serious when I said it was accidental.

[GuyInFreezer]

Re: gut feeling
I tend to not post stuff that I'm not sure of. I really need to get rid of that habit.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, gg folks.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dammit I knew jumping on quickhammer would be scum motivated stuff.

[GuyInFreezer]

You're just having a bad luck

[GuyInFreezer]

good job scum.

surprised I was NK'd considering I was pushing GM pretty hard. my reads were horse shit this game although I was beginning to cotton onto RC while read during the afterlife.

I was sad to see you get NK'd because you were my next strongest townread

[GuyInFreezer]

I still don't understand why town decided to lynch TNE over A_Stone when almost everyone FoS'd him ove TNE.