NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Thor665]

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

Yeah, let's lynch B&tB or Desperado.

[Oversoul]

Why do you want to kill BatB? I think they are town. They are playing to theier aggrressive meta.

[Om the Destroyer]

Why do you want to kill BatB? I think they are town. They are playing to theier aggrressive meta.

Majiffy and Mollie being aggressive is definitely a null tell.

Thor is pushing a good wagon in Desperado though, this is a really good time to follow the flowchart in that direction.

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[Desperado]

Good, I look forward to both of you leaving and being replaced by players that actually

want to play the game

.

No you're pretty much just being insufferable. You called me a fucking dolt because I misinterpreted something that you said. What's more likely...that you're being such a dick that multiple people have replaced out/have threatened to do so solely because of your attitude, or you're right and they're just pussies?

I am trying to diffuse the situ can you plz not throw gasoline on it tia

Quoting this just in case people still aren't realizing that Desperado is scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Desperado

Oversoul wagon doesn't appeal to me, the wagon composition makes me cringe.

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This vote makes me laugh. I read B&TB as town and a) was one of the people Majiffy insulted and b) wasn't throwing gasoline on the fire, I was calling the situation for what it was. I also think Khan and Haylen are town and he was acting in a manner that was detrimental to our success. I was hoping that, by seeing the ridiculousness of the question posed to him, he would calm down. I think his answer to my question shows that I was at least partially successful. Do you have a case on me that I have since forgotten? Link it, or just cliffnotes it.

[Om the Destroyer]

No, you were trying to perpetuate a useless argument in the hopes of creating a shit-ton of noise centered around B&TB so that the subject of your wagon would sneak away unnoticed.

Everything about that question is purposely inflammatory and doesn't do anything at all to actually...how did you put it...calm Jiffy down?

Yeah, no, I call bullshit on this one.

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[Desperado]

Um...what? My wagon hasn't been a subject for several pages. And considering I never ignored it or tried to "sneak it away unnoticed" when it was actually the leading subject of the game, why would I try to do that now?

Nothing about that question was purposely inflammatory. I think Majiffy is town. He was acting in a manner that was causing two of my other townreads (who have given valuable content and will likely continue to do so, something I can't necessarily expect from their replacements) to threaten to replace out.

Further considering that I was also the subject of his insults, I took it upon myself to show Majiffy that he was acting unreasonably.

So yeah, your justification pretty much sucks. Please tell me more about how I was trying to create noise to drown out my wagon when the majority of my activity in this game has been taking on my wagon head first.

[Red Ryu]

B&B I'm not a mod on this site but dude you need to seriously chill out.

this has nothing to do with you and this looks like opportunistic scum noise in order to look look busy, concerned and productive.

welcome to my scum pile

You're being a douche to others at times and need to shut up.

There is a line.

excuse me?

I have not said not one negative thing to anybody in this game ever since mastin said to cool it down

the first time

so why the fuck am I a douche? I have asked majiffy to dial it back cos I don't want to get force replaced since I spent a lot of time and energy in this game and there are a lot of players I like playing with or am interested in playing with plus its a mastin game.

and about lines. so let me get this straight. it is perfectly acceptable for nero to say

majiffy has fucked me into stupidity

? that it is perfectly acceptable that the personal details of my sex life are being used to put me down and discredit me? you are okay with that? seriously? not even if it hurts my feelings?

this whole thing does not even concern you, it is between majiffy, the players involved and mastin. you sliding in here to chime in when I have asked everyone to step back and take a breather so that there are no ill feelings or force replacements when it has nothing to do with you looks like a subtle form of buddying and fanning of the flames so that the situation worsens is scummy to the core. there is zero town motivation in that. if I was not so convinced nero was scum I would be voting for you right now.

I don't think I am the one who needs to stfu here

It's not, but retaliation is 90% of the time not needed.

It's not just him you're are doing it to either.

[Red Ryu]

I'd compromise Desperado lynch, but I'm not a fan of a B&B lynch.

[Bulbazak]

Bulb might be scum after all 'cause you know he selectively edited my post and didn't read my explanation.

Who said that I didn't read your explanation? That by itself would have been perfectly acceptable. It's the "Hey look at these guys..." at the end that immediately tripped my scumdar. When I quote something, I want to quote the most important thing, i.e. what I'm referring to. So, no, I wasn't being selective. I was referring to a specific point of your post, which had nothing to do with your explanation. Regardless of the first part of your post, the end was still scummy, and I will hold to that.

[Thor665]

I'd compromise Desperado lynch, but I'm not a fan of a B&B lynch.

Move vote?

[Bacde]

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

Yeah, let's lynch B&tB or Desperado.

what the butt dude

we aren't lynching B&B

[Bacde]

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

Yeah, let's lynch B&tB or Desperado.

so, you want to lynch B&B or Desp,

but you're gonna leave your vote on OS?

that makes sense

[Desperado]

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

Yeah, let's lynch B&tB or Desperado.

so, you want to lynch B&B or Desp,

but you're gonna leave your vote on OS?

that makes sense

No he's voting me. Not sure what he meant in #2620 but he's been voting me since Monday, when he said this:

Unvote: Red Ryu
Vote: Desperado

Blatant counterwagon vote.
I'm ot even sure if I think Desp is scummy, he's just null.

Right then.

[Nero Cain]

Bulb might be scum after all 'cause you know he selectively edited my post and didn't read my explanation.

Who said that I didn't read your explanation? That by itself would have been perfectly acceptable. It's the "Hey look at these guys..." at the end that immediately tripped my scumdar. When I quote something, I want to quote the most important thing, i.e. what I'm referring to. So, no, I wasn't being selective. I was referring to a specific point of your post, which had nothing to do with your explanation. Regardless of the first part of your post, the end was still scummy, and I will hold to that.

So its scummy that I asked Khan why he finds me scummy for something that others are doing? That's scumhunting. What the fuck is wrong with you? Did you roll a scum pm?

[Thor665]

so, you want to lynch B&B or Desp,

but you're gonna leave your vote on OS?

that makes sense

You're right, if I was doing that it wouldn't make sense.

[Bacde]

so, you want to lynch B&B or Desp,

but you're gonna leave your vote on OS?

that makes sense

You're right, if I was doing that it wouldn't make sense.

I'm done being sarcastic with you just move your vote to nacho

[Thor665]

No.

[Kublai Khan]

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

[Thor665]

I'll give you the case based on softclaim point, we can move that to null - though I note that it still holds solid with the fakeclaim point, do you disagree?

Are you trying to convince me only scum would be silly enough to claim number of BPs?
If he's scum and BP, then he's just as foolish to claim it as he would be to do so as town.
If he's scum and not BP then it's a meaningless concern to me, and a actual concern to a anti-town killing role. Meh.
So...null tell, yes?

I'm not on board with it because I am not sure what he's scummy of other than lying about his role, and I've lied about my role as town plenty of times. I don't really think it's an inherent scumtell.
Is there a case on him besides him fakeclaiming and/or lying about his claim in some manner? Like, has he voted in ways that look scummy or something?
I've pointed out actual mental disconnects from town thought process on B&tB and all I get is everyone screaming about how town that slot is - so maybe I'm all gakked up, but I think my case is stronger there than this Oversoul one. It's a 'meh, derp player lynch' and if that's what we want to do let's at least admit it. Heck, i might support it if that was what we were lynching him for - but I don't think he looks scummy.

[Kublai Khan]

I've pointed out actual mental disconnects from town thought process on B&tB and all I get is everyone screaming about how town that slot is - so maybe I'm all gakked up, but I think my case is stronger there than this Oversoul one.

Oh, I'm totally with you on the mental disconnects of that player slot. The problem remains that it's a hydra player who apparently does no communicating at all outside the thread. And they don't sign their posts so they can totally dodge comments that make no sense. I don't think I'll ever have a town-read on that slot, but they aren't scummier than Oversoul atm.

Are you trying to convince me only scum would be silly enough to claim number of BPs?
If he's scum and BP, then he's just as foolish to claim it as he would be to do so as town.
If he's scum and not BP then it's a meaningless concern to me, and a actual concern to a anti-town killing role. Meh.
So...null tell, yes?

If Oversoul legitimately got a town 2-shot BP role, then why wouldn't his strategy be to lay low and scum-hunt hard? The only thing he has to fear is being mislynched so he... pulls a fake claim gambit and does nothing but be useless? Just mostly ignores the wagon on him and hopes that others launch bigger wagons before deadline?

Plus consider the length of time one has to fully consider all the implications of their role after they receive it. Revealing that it's 2-shot means that he thought it up as an aspect to make the claim beyond testable, but didn't think about the pro-town strategies of keeping it quiet. Which means it's a fakeclaim.

Think long-term implications of his claim, Thor665. Oversoul is not town.

[Cephrir]

Somehow the softclaim point went over my head before. Happier with this lynch, think it should happen.

[Seanald]

Good, I look forward to both of you leaving and being replaced by players that actually

want to play the game

.

No you're pretty much just being insufferable. You called me a fucking dolt because I misinterpreted something that you said. What's more likely...that you're being such a dick that multiple people have replaced out/have threatened to do so solely because of your attitude, or you're right and they're just pussies?

Looking at it from the outside, I'd say yeah your all pussies

[Thor665]

Oh, I'm totally with you on the mental disconnects of that player slot. The problem remains that it's a hydra player who apparently does no communicating at all outside the thread. And they don't sign their posts so they can totally dodge comments that make no sense. I don't think I'll ever have a town-read on that slot, but they aren't scummier than Oversoul atm.

it's more than just that - the Mollie head is basically being caught in lies by me, and refusing to respond to the discussion (and refusing in scummy ways)
And the Majiffy head, when questioned on th epush, claims he's not reading any of that gak...while the Mollie head claims he's telling her to back off because her reasons are bad.
I fully understand and agree that they aren't communicating - but above and beyond that, they are not scumhunting, offering misreps, and distancing...from each other. If I just thought they were failing at being a hydra it's one thing, but they have logical inconsistancies that go beyond that, and I think it's showing them not being up to date on each others lies - not just being not up to date on each others reads.

Make sense?

If Oversoul legitimately got a town 2-shot BP role, then why wouldn't his strategy be to lay low and scum-hunt hard? The only thing he has to fear is being mislynched so he... pulls a fake claim gambit and does nothing but be useless? Just mostly ignores the wagon on him and hopes that others launch bigger wagons before deadline?

My issue is - this establishes he did not play it in the optimal method and probably is not as skilled at mafia as you would like him to be.
The question it begs is this: would Oversoul *not* do that as town?
I submit he would do it, and thus the tell is not a good one.

Plus consider the length of time one has to fully consider all the implications of their role after they receive it. Revealing that it's 2-shot means that he thought it up as an aspect to make the claim beyond testable, but didn't think about the pro-town strategies of keeping it quiet. Which means it's a fakeclaim.

The thing is - I believe he's BP.
I don't think he'd try this gambit in a game with likely SK and also likely town killing role if he was not BP.
So, coming at it from that point, it is of little value to him as scum or town to then list his number.

So, I think it's further proof of bad play, and not proof of scum play - do you get my point there, and why do you dismiss that as a response?

[Seanald]

Damn Thor and Kublai epic disscush.

Have some things to think about now.

I'm also curious am I the only one suspicious of the Om hydra?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

it is perfectly acceptable for nero to say majiffy has fucked me into stupidity? that it is perfectly acceptable that the personal details of my sex life are being used to put me down and discredit me? you are okay with that? seriously? not even if it hurts my feelings?

it was obviously a joke. Its not even talking about your sex life. I don't see why it would hurt your feelings but that was never my intention.

I didn't realise that that changes things.

it doesn't change that I still think you are scum

eta: seanalderina, NO YOU ARE NOT!!! THAT LAST POST WAS SCUMMY AS HELL!!!