Micro 161: No-Newbie Newbie (over)

[GuyInFreezer]

Since when?

All I did was calling BS on TNE "compromise" lynch when almost everyone was FoSing A_Stone.

[Mac]

buldermar/ffery, what do you make of GM?

Vote goodmorning

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buldermar/ffery, what do you make of GM?

Vote goodmorning

She's in our scumpile but we are not fucking compromising about A_Stone today unless he inexplicably does something so amazingly protown that we're incredulously dazzled into townreads.

- f

[Mac]

I want to say that if I lynch A Stone will you lynch GM with me but if he flips town we are in lylo tomorrow :/

[²]

Why do you think he's town?

- f

[²]

or better phrased...not as good a lynch choice as GM?

- f

[Mac]

I feel better about GM. her "mac/MER for scum team" based around associative tells between soat/MER sucked some serious ass. and then I ask her for a case and she can't provide it, or at least not yet.

[²]

you know what.

I have this vague recollection that she doesn't buy into associative tells without a scumflip. I'll have to do a remedial meta dive because I don't remember where that memory fragment comes from.

- f

[²]

He is advocating a lynch on Stone. I think there's a general consensus that Stone would be a good lynch. I haven't seen him provide any reasons to propose this other than "you guys all agree". Therefore it is a fallacious argument. Does that make it wrong? Not necessarily, though I personally think it is.

If there was a general consensus that Stone would be a good lynch, he would be dead already.

He did propose reasons. Did you miss the post in which he analyzed FoS's?

- b

[²]

buldermar/ffery, what do you make of GM?

Vote goodmorning

Scum, but less so than A_Stone who is scum with capitalized

S

- b

[²]

I don't want to be in LyLo with Scum_Stone and a whole bunch of people who doesn't want to lynch him. No, no, no.

- b

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok. Just in case I wasn't being clear, these are my point.

-TNE was lynched via "lol almost deadline compromise" lynch EVEN THOUGH almost EVERYONE suspected A_Stone (like, 7/8 people suspected A_Stone.) Now how the hell did TNE (3/8 FoSes) got lynched instead as a compromise? That doesn't make any sense at all. The correct townplay should've been A_Stone lynch day 1.
I didn't really read yet (even though I said I would earlier. I have some other games to catch up. I'll probably read up tonight, though.) It's painfully obvious that TNE lynch was scum-oriented lynch (iirc I think I kinda read about TNE being quiet, which is usually shitty reason for a lynch.)

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Ok. Just in case I wasn't being clear, these are my point.

-TNE was lynched via "lol almost deadline compromise" lynch EVEN THOUGH almost EVERYONE suspected A_Stone (like, 7/8 people suspected A_Stone.) Now how the hell did TNE (3/8 FoSes) got lynched instead as a compromise? That doesn't make any sense at all. The correct townplay should've been A_Stone lynch day 1.
I didn't really read yet (even though I said I would earlier. I have some other games to catch up. I'll probably read up tonight, though.) It's painfully obvious that TNE lynch was scum-oriented lynch (iirc I think I kinda read about TNE being quiet, which is usually shitty reason for a lynch.)

Once you're done with your lectures, please convince people to lynch Scum_Stone today.

Thanks.

- b

[Mac]

vote A Stone

[Mac]

I am trusting you buldermar. don't let me down.

[goodmorning]

I have this vague recollection that she doesn't buy into associative tells without a scumflip. I'll have to do a remedial meta dive because I don't remember where that memory fragment comes from.

- f

I don't buy into

other people's

associative tells without

any

flips.
Just to save you trying to find that.

Still working up cases, today is not my day.

[GuyInFreezer]

First thing first

Dear Town
2 is town as hell.

Now A_Stone's Day 2 posts.

Says the guy trying to mislynch a townie

That all you got?

Eh, ok then.

In no particular order:

Mac and RC seem pretty genuine, although I don't really get what RC is talking about.

MER seems genuine, and the TNE thing that pinged my scumdar a bit is nullified,

GM, My mind tells me scum, for things like refusing to acknowledge why she was voting Mac instead of MER when MER had more support for a lynch when she stated she was 100% sure. Then again my gut is screaming town due to posts like #350, I've never really seen scum do things like that, I would have expected scum-gm to out her reasoning to avert suspicion, which she has not done. I also have a hard time seeing #357 coming from scum. Her case showed work had been put into it, but I'm not sure how she could have done work if all she kept in her mind was her basic reads, so I don't feel she was entirely honest about only keeping 'I think these people are scum' in her head.

ETL, I personally never really liked the way ETL and 2 kinda swayed to thinking each other were town, it seemed planned. Then again, I'm paranoid . Although I can definitely understand his vote on GM, the reads, even though I thought work had been put into them, weren't really all GM had shined them up to be.

2, I like -f's posts, they seem genuine to me, -b's posts are quite annoying though, although I quite like that he's toned it down. His blatant tunneling is non-sensical and *in my opinion*

No, you're not going to claim, because we're lynching A_stone.

- b

This was a bit terrible.

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I am a bit concerned with AS still.

I want others to acknowledge the point I made, because it totally has flipped my read of AS.

What did I do overnight to change your minute concern into a full scum read?

Or are you just overthinking it.

First of all, despite him having (barely) scumreads, no vote.

Second of all, his "scumreads" are very weak. (See: "maybe I'm just a paranoid")

If I feel they're genuine then I don't believe they're lying, and since I don't know who the town are then I feel that how truthful they are is a good gauge, and I haven't seen many slips from them.

Yeah, you're pretty much correct.

Although I have a weaker scumread on ETL,

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@RC, It was an exclamation not a question, and I don't see the problem, especially when I was correct.

emphasizing that he doesn't know who town are.

If I feel they're genuine then I don't believe they're lying, and since I don't know who the town are then I feel that how truthful they are is a good gauge, and I haven't seen many slips from them.

Yeah, you're pretty much correct.

Although I have a weaker scumread on ETL,

Can you explain what you meant in your 540 which was in response to buldermar's post 539? Because I see an implicit assumption in that post.

- f

His action annoyed me, he jumped in and voted me, and then insulted all the other players for not having me lynched...
...I can understand the vote, heck, I expected it after all the tunneling. But the insult was uncalled for and simply derogatory, his reads have no more validity than anyone else's so far, and yet he's making them seem like they're fully correct.

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@GM, It really does look like you're winging it, if you aren't, as you claim, maybe if you explained your thoughts instead of keeping them to yourself it would alleviate the problem.

Could you post a reads list 2?

Same for RC

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On that note, I must inquire on RC's reasoning for his scumread, if I was not lying, and I did not intend my question would be answered, why the read?

The reason why A_Stone thinks buldy is scum: insulting other people to vote him.

Also after this, lemme check his voting history and FoSes.

[GuyInFreezer]

Erm

he didn't vote.

like, at all.

Except for that initial random vote and TNE vote.

And his GM scumread was the most descriptive one.

He never voted GM in his post.

Yeah you can die.

VOTE: A_Stone

[GuyInFreezer]

Fuck I just hammered him.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh well. That gives me 2 days to read up D1.

[²]

I can't quite describe the mix of emotions I'm experiencing right now. horrified relief is close.

- f

[GuyInFreezer]

Just in case I die:

If A_Stone flip scum, hardlynch GM tomorrow plz.

[²]

agree. I'll sign on for the same will and testament.

- f

[GuyInFreezer]

I probably should explain why GM is scum if A_Stone is scum.

Look at A_Stone's reads. The only "detailed" scumread he had on is GM. Why? Because A_Stone knows GM is scum. He never voted GM. Why? Because GM is his partner.

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