NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Kublai Khan · Post Post #2375 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 6:50 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Oversoul

Le't do this.

Syryana · Post Post #2376 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 6:51 am

In post 2375, Kublai Khan wrote:Le't do this.

VOTE: Oversoul

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #2377 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 6:52 am

Vote: Oversoul

ISO · Post Post #2378 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 6:53 am

K.

Unvote, Vote: Oversoul

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #2379 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 7:05 am

VOTE: oversoul

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #2380 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 7:30 am

In post 2325, mastin2 wrote:mastin2, the mod, is sick.

mastin has told me that due to this and normal weekend commitments, he won't be around until Tuesday.

My schedule is going to be a little weird over the next week, but I will do my best to keep this ship sailing.

I'll have a VC up within 5 hours.

<<< Yeah, sorry 'bout that. Needed to keep myself from dieing. Anyway, I'll be hijacking this post for a votecount when I get the chance. >>>

Oversoul - 7 (Desperado, penguin_alien, Kublai Khan, Syryana, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Desperado - 4 (ArcAngel9, Thor665, Bulbazak, Amethyst Kitty)

Nachomamma8 - 4 (Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Bacde, Nero Cain)
Haylen - 2 (thezmon221, Oversoul)
penguin_alien - 2 (Red Ryu, Om the Destroyer)
Thor665 - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 4 (ThAdmiral, EddieFenix, PeregrineV, Haylen)

This was the last votecount. (You'll have to do changes from it manually, as you will for player and overall vote history. Apologies.)

Edit:

Still will have to do manual "changes from last votecount", but have these:

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

Bulbazak · Post Post #2381 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 7:37 am

In post 2368, Slandaar wrote: Thors day is today

Actually, that was yesterday.

In post 2368, Slandaar wrote: Nothing anyone else will be able to use for their benefit; the way he views Mac/thez is exactly how I have. And yes that makes him town unless its multiball.

When you said that you saw something that made Nacho town unless it was multiball, I was expecting something more substantial, not "Nacho has a similar scumread as me.". That's just weak.

In post 2350, Desperado wrote:Bulb, you aren't trying to teach me anything, that's the problem. You've never approached this situation from the perspective of "I'm town, Desp might be town, let me teach him why he's wrong and I'm right." You started with the premise that I had scumslipped and attacked me, repeatedly. So if your intent was to show me the error of my ways, you failed...if it was to provoke a reaction from me that you could use to paint me as scummy, then you succeeded.

And the best part is, let's say you had approached it that way...I don't have to agree with you! You are not the arbiter of what things mean. The site meta regarding what it means when someone says confirmation bias vs. scummily tunneling someone is irrelevant when we are only considering this individual case, in which I was 100% transparent by what I meant when I said Nacho was resorting to confirmation bias, and was not unwittingly admitting that I knew he was town.

I am allowed to believe that scum can use confirmation bias (a logical fallacy, which I'm sure you're aware, and thus not a valuable scumhunting tool for a town player that hopes to actually lynch scum) in the process of securing the MLs necessary for them to win. The notion that only town players are capable of exhibiting confirmation bias
baffles me.

With that said, you are allowed to (wrongly) lynch me for thinking that because of whatever experience you have that says that I slipped. When I flip town maybe you'll recalibrate your tells.

The thing with Desperado: I normally want to think the best of players, so when I see someone do something like he did, it's better to think scum than town who refuses to listen, discuss, or learn. I don't get that mindset coming from a town player. It bewilders me. However, Desperado has just started doing something which he has staunchly refused to do when defending himself: scumhunt.

Unvote

Given the recent posts, that was the one thing I needed to see to even consider him remotely being town. I'll have to reread him later, but I'm starting to fear that this will be Metal Overlord all over again...

Going back to my primary scumread.

Vote Oversoul

Let's make this happen.

Desperado · Post Post #2382 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:03 am

In post 2376, Syryana wrote:
In post 2375, Kublai Khan wrote:Le't do this.
VOTE: Oversoul

Nothing to say about one of your major suspects starting and coalescing a wagon on one of your other major suspects?

Seems like something a townie would point out as he hopped from one to the other.

In post 2381, Bulbazak wrote:The thing with Desperado: I normally want to think the best of players, so when I see someone do something like he did, it's better to think scum than town who refuses to listen, discuss, or learn. I don't get that mindset coming from a town player. It bewilders me. However, Desperado has just started doing something which he has staunchly refused to do when defending himself: scumhunt.

It's a two way street man. The only disposition I ever got from your posts was hostility and authority...you're right, and I'm so wrong that the only logical conclusion is that I scumslipped. Despite my best efforts to explain my position (which is what this is...a disagreement, not a school lesson), you continued to talk down to me, which, as I've said, is just about the least effective way to teach anyone anything.

With that said, I can appreciate that you identified something distinct and provided consistent reasoning for reaching the conclusion that you did, regardless of the way you went about pursuing it, which is why you're on my town list. What do you think of the thez/Ceph echo chamber?

In post 2381, Bulbazak wrote:Given the recent posts, that was the one thing I needed to see to even consider him remotely being town. I'll have to reread him later, but I'm starting to fear that this will be Metal Overlord all over again...

Link?

Syryana · Post Post #2383 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:12 am

In post 2382, Desperado wrote:
In post 2376, Syryana wrote:
In post 2375, Kublai Khan wrote:Le't do this.
VOTE: Oversoul
Nothing to say about one of your major suspects starting and coalescing a wagon on one of your other major suspects?

Seems like something a townie would point out as he hopped from one to the other.

I'm happy to see a wagon going on one of my half dozen scum reads. I frankly don't give a damn who started it.

Syryana · Post Post #2384 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:12 am

Oh, and Bulb can't link it; it's an ongoing. At least if it's the game I'm thinking of.

Desperado · Post Post #2385 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:17 am

In post 2384, Syryana wrote:Oh, and Bulb can't link it; it's an ongoing. At least if it's the game I'm thinking of.

Guess I have some research to do.

I like that answer though. That's a good attitude to have D1.

Is the case that you kept promising on me even worth asking about anymore or should we just move on?

Bulbazak · Post Post #2386 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:20 am

In post 2382, Desperado wrote:What do you think of the thez/Ceph echo chamber?

It was strange that they'd argue for the same points, but then slightly disagree when asked. Cephrir, however, did offer some original insights in the discussion, and explained somethings better than I could. Thez really didn't offer anything new to the table. The only reason I'm not more suspicious is because he was doing other things at the time. I probably need to remind myself who he replaced...

In post 2382, Desperado wrote:
In post 2381, Bulbazak wrote:Given the recent posts, that was the one thing I needed to see to even consider him remotely being town. I'll have to reread him later, but I'm starting to fear that this will be Metal Overlord all over again...
Link?

Soon.

Syryana · Post Post #2387 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:22 am

Move on.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #2388 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:24 am

yeah no talking about ongoing games I mean that rule is pretty clear

Desperado · Post Post #2389 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:31 am

In post 2388, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:yeah no talking about ongoing games I mean that rule is pretty clear

He was answering a question I had just asked him.

thezmon221 · Post Post #2390 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:32 am

It kind of baffles me that such an instance can happen where while I am asleep and at school, the whole wagon instance can completely shift from Despo to Oversoul. I'd be more concerned with the speed of the votes if I didn't really like the lynch, nor the people on the wagon. But I'm alright with most of the people who've voted for Oversoul.

In post 1831, thezmon221 wrote:
In post 1812, Kublai Khan wrote:Oversoul:

-snip-
If I didn't want a fuzzy lynch as badly as I do, I'd totally be game for this lynch. I think fuzzy's the way to go, though, and everyone should vote for him.

Said I had interest in the read, and the fuzzy/Haylen lynch will get me nowhere, so I will oblige.
VOTE: Oversoul

Bulbazak wrote:
In post 2382, Desperado wrote:What do you think of the thez/Ceph echo chamber?
It was strange that they'd argue for the same points, but then slightly disagree when asked. Cephrir, however, did offer some original insights in the discussion, and explained somethings better than I could. Thez really didn't offer anything new to the table. The only reason I'm not more suspicious is because he was doing other things at the time. I probably need to remind myself who he replaced...

I replaced Mac, who did hardly anything. As for Cephrir, I really can't help that Despo seemingly argued just because he wanted to argue with someone. He argued with you, Bulb, and then with Cephrir, and then me. All on the same general topic, but each person had a slightly different stance and argument. I can't help that he's also close minded in such an affair.

Haylen · Post Post #2391 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:45 am

This lynch makes me very happy from what I've read at the moment. I don't have time to write my whole case now but the reasoning involved that stupid non-normal informed townie claim.

vote oversoul

I was going to push for this lynch, Thors or BeautyBeast if my reasoning didn't change during the last half of the thread I need to read.

Bulbazak · Post Post #2392 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:47 am

In post 2390, thezmon221 wrote:
Bulbazak wrote:
In post 2382, Desperado wrote:What do you think of the thez/Ceph echo chamber?
It was strange that they'd argue for the same points, but then slightly disagree when asked. Cephrir, however, did offer some original insights in the discussion, and explained somethings better than I could. Thez really didn't offer anything new to the table. The only reason I'm not more suspicious is because he was doing other things at the time. I probably need to remind myself who he replaced...
I replaced Mac, who did hardly anything. As for Cephrir, I really can't help that Despo seemingly argued just because he wanted to argue with someone. He argued with you, Bulb, and then with Cephrir, and then me. All on the same general topic, but each person had a slightly different stance and argument. I can't help that he's also close minded in such an affair.

You replaced Mac? I think I remember having a weak townread on him. I'll reread later.

Bulbazak · Post Post #2393 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:48 am

If I read correctly, that's L-1. Anybody who quickhammers is tomorrow's lynch. No exception.

Haylen · Post Post #2394 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:49 am

What if we hit scum?

Seanald · Post Post #2395 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:50 am

In post 2375, Kublai Khan wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Oversoul

Le't do this.

In post 2376, Syryana wrote:
In post 2375, Kublai Khan wrote:Le't do this.
VOTE: Oversoul

In post 2377, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: Oversoul

In post 2378, Cephrir wrote:K.

Unvote, Vote: Oversoul

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

Syryana · Post Post #2396 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:51 am

Seanald, I'm disappointed. I expected a derphammer.

Bulbazak · Post Post #2397 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:55 am

In post 2394, Haylen wrote:What if we hit scum?

What if it was a scumhammer?

Slandaar · Post Post #2398 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:58 am

What a ridiculous counter wagon to my Thor wagon.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #2399 (ISO) » Fri May 24, 2013 8:58 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=12807