NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Bacde]

Bzzt. If I am lynched, you better follow the shit out of my scumlist and not AtE, you owe me that much.

yeah sure

[Bacde]

being lynched d1 as town is an honor, not a slap to the face

being lynched d1 as scum is a slap to the face

[Bacde]

ok nacho who is your "definitely scum" read?

[Bacde]

Seanald?

[Bacde]

I'm giving you a chance to be upfront and not a sarcastic scumbag here

I'd suggest you take it

[Bacde]

I'm clawing for reasons to unvote you and vote for desperado you know

I'd so much prefer it for both of us to be town and I want to believe

but you aren't helping me here

you feel like scum to me love

[Bacde]

What about OS?

[Bacde]

Do you believe his reaction test gambit then?

And what do you make of how he performed a reaction test but didn't really get any reads from it?

[Bacde]

tbh I would prefer more cheekiness as well

maybe I've been ruining this game sorry guys

[Bacde]

anyway I feel like I've done enough leading for one dayphase

should we lynch nacho? I like being dominant and all but usually this isn't my MO

[Bacde]

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

WOAH.

What happened to you being super convinced that Nacho was scum? Like, seemingly 100% convinced? But at its height you decide you want to go another way?

I dunno

pushing a scumread for this long with minimal vocal support is draining

like really really draining

if I had someone to back me up I'd probably be high energy against nacho right now

I've just had to argue against people all day

I think the "Nacho demanded I follow his scumreads in the heat of the moment" despite him saying that he is "not happy about his reads" is a pretty good reason to say nacho is scum

but fuckit, if no one wants to back me up I'll become a follower like the majority of this town

its only d1 anyway

[Bacde]

Like seriously, why is no one else on the nacho wagon arguing the way I am?

this is bullshit

[Bacde]

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

WOAH.

What happened to you being super convinced that Nacho was scum? Like, seemingly 100% convinced? But at its height you decide you want to go another way?

I don't really feel like this is the height of the wagon

who are you suspicious of thezmon?

[Bacde]

Yeah that was when I was highest energy was when you were more supportive

now you're off the wagon and I'm feeling insecure again

tbh I'm willing to lynch hanz, he hasn't been posting since that one debacle at all has he

its just that I feel like I have scum by the throat right now in nacho, and I don't want to give it up, and I don't understand why others aren't either

1) seeing what I'm seeing

or

2) Trying to show me why I'm wrong rather than take the bulbazak approach and say that I'm faking it and calling me scum

or

3) Trying to show me a better scum candidate

which actually you are doing mollie. You are doing number 3. Did I mention to you that you're a townread of mine?

[Bacde]

mostly if I lynched hanz it would be because I don't feel like he is going to be helpful in this game and I'd be sheeping your scumread

nacho I have a scumread on, but I guess I'm feeling low energy right now

I'll wait til I'm more confident to start posting again because this side of me is weirding everyone out

[Bacde]

Bacde, why do you want to lynch Hanz (in the event you stop on Nacho)?

honestly, I don't "want" to lynch him if that makes any sense

I'd just be willing to lynch him

I want to lynch nacho

and I agree with you that it doesn't make any sense that nacho dropped the OS case

I'ma be discussing a lot of this game w/ you/B&tB I think because trying to talk to anyone else is driving me crazy

Seanald I appreciate the moral support but the way you are doing it looks really scummy fyi, I'm giving this to you as a gift just in case you are actually scum because I actually really enjoy your posting

[Bacde]

Wait, what? When did this start to become more about people's honor and not about lynching scum? Is it only the older players' honor that we have to protect, and if so, does that mean that a less experienced player must be lynched to protect it, regardless of the outcome? Does the lynchee have to commit hari kari if lynched d1? Inquiring minds want to know!

first thing bulbazak has posted in a game I'm in that I've truly enjoyed

[Bacde]

Syr I'm willing to work with you on AA9 scum

I'm in a "could be scum could be town" headspace with AA9 right now

[Bacde]

Yeah but then she made the long reads post and everyone was like "wow AA9 so town" and I got caught up with the crowd

[Bacde]

mollie I can tell that recently you are feeling unsure about me

trust me this is the same bacde that you saw in pikmin mafia

[Bacde]

FUCK ONGOING GODAMNIT WHY DO I DO THAT

EDIT OUT OR MODKILL ME OR DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO I GET IT

[Bacde]

Sorry mastin didn't mean to do that

<<< It's okay, I'm a fairly lenient mod. You get off with only a warning, but if it happens again, the punishment will be more severe. >>>

[Bacde]

thx baby,

do you have anything game related to say?

[Bacde]

Bacde. Let's assume for a moment that the Nacho slot doesn't exist. Who are your top three scumreads, and why?

FBN, AA9 and baby spice

I doubt that all 3 are scum, but if I wasn't tunneling nacho these would be the people I would be pressuring

[Bacde]

Seanald and Fenix also have a higher than normal chance of flipping scum

but I don't wanna lynch or pressure seanald tbh I like his posts

[Bacde]

thx nero

[Bacde]

dude if you guys wanna make me not so stressed out we can lynch fbn if you want

I want to lynch nacho and think he's scum, but all this contention about it really stresses me out tbh

PLUS if we lynch nacho and we are wrong, I'm willing to be lynched tomorrow (this isn't pride, this is just me trying to convince the town that I'm not scum-motivated over here)

[Bacde]

The part in parentheses is quite possibly the scummiest thing I've seen you say all game.

its weird to me when people think that saying "I'm town" is scummy

[Bacde]

You know what

screw this

I'm back on board with nacho-scum

we are lynching scumcho and if he flips town (he won't) we are lynching me next

100%

there is no other option

I'm not trying to "prove" that I'm not scum motivated, I'm just not scum motivated

so we are rolling w/ this

if I'm scum then you've got me in the bag

LETS GO TOWN

VOTE: nacho

VOTE: nacho

VOTE: nacho

No way would town-nacho pressure me to follow his reads in the heat of the moment, just moments after saying he is unhappy with his reads

thats all there is to it

this is simple guys

and when he flips scum, you can all congratulate me

I think people saying "wtf bacde you are scummy" is exactly what I needed to get my gusto back

[Bacde]

^^Vote for nacho please

[Bacde]

nope

First of all, nacho won't flip town

[Bacde]

Second of all, vote for nacho

I'm sick of second guessing myself

Nacho is scum and I know it

We lynch scumcho today

[Bacde]

thezmon: Have you EVER pressured someone to follow reads that you aren't happy with?

If the answer is no, then vote for nacho

RIGHT SMURFING NOW

[Bacde]

Ok, I'm 100% serious when I say right now that if you don't all lynch nacho then I WANT to be lynched

because



esp. w/ posts like pertayter

thats like the worst post I've ever seen in my life

seriously

what sort of idiot pushes reads that they aren't happy with

I'm super happy with my nacho scumread

and when I wasn't happy, I stopped pushing as hard

we need to lynch nacho

DO IT YOU GUYS SMURF

[Bacde]

I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet.

That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.

I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet.

That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.

I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet.

That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.

I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet.

That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.

VOTE: Nacho

[Bacde]

^^Nice

Hanzo tomorrow after nacho flips scum

[Bacde]

thezmon if you haven't voted nacho by now you are never going to do it

stop pretending like you care what I have to say

[Bacde]

the context of the second post is that we were having a quick back-and-forth discussion, and nacho got worked up in the heat of the moment and demanded that i follow his reads

he forgot completely that he is playing the "I'm not happy with my reads" game and acted indignant because generally thats a towntell

but not when you've already talked about how you don't like your reads

[Bacde]

Are you going to go back and actually read the game or just wait to be lead by the nose?

has my play this game indicated to you that I am trying to be led by the nose?

[Bacde]

Back from V/LA, Thor is derping hard.

We need to stop distracting from the Nacho wagon.

BB convince me Thor is scum over dumb, I still remain that he is dumb town.

I'll click my ISO button to see where I left off.

Bacde you still my Bro?

Are you still pushing me because my Oversoul push was too aggressive?

Uh, that point was actually really valid

and it wasn't too aggressive, it was as though you pushed the OS wagon so you could ignore the rest of the town

[Bacde]

How did I know he was lying as scum?

How does knowing that he was lying in any way make you town?

[Bacde]

It doesn't, but the premise of the argument was that there was NO WAY I could know that Oversoul was lying, and I refused to believe that he was either telling the truth (true) or that he was lying town (false, and the reason I kept pushing him regardless was actually explained earlier in the thread).

who has this premise to their argument?

You are making really solid arguments against points no one is making

[Bacde]

please be lynched by tomorrow

that quote is thousands of posts old, and doesn't even postulate the premise that you say it does

[Bacde]

It doesn't, but the premise of the argument was that there was NO WAY I could know that Oversoul was lying, and I refused to believe that he was either telling the truth (true) or that he was lying town (false, and the reason I kept pushing him regardless was actually explained earlier in the thread).

Premise: There is NO WAY that you could have known that OS was lying

But he tried to push OS on this as being scummy, there was no reason to consider him scummy for that action, he deliberately refused to think OS was town doing that lying or telling the truth.

Please stop interrupting.

Premise: There was no reason to consider the fakeclaim as scummy

They are quite different and I'm surprised you need me to spell this out for you (actually I'm not since you are scum)

Its funny to me how you are still attempting to undermine me and my case with "please stop interrupting" as though I'm a child or something? Get lynched.

[Bacde]

I am telling you to stop interrupting because I am trying to read Ryu, and I really would rather not deal with you when all that you've been posting for the longest time was scumscumscumscumscum. You were right that I was playing off. You were right that I was playing more passively than usual. Now I've stepped it the fuck up to a pretty dramatic point, but still with everything that I post it's scumscumscumscumscum. It shouldn't come to a surprise to you that I'm "attempting to undermine you" (actually, I'm trying the best I can to ignore you) because if you were in my position at this point you would have lost your patience a hell of a lot earlier than I have.

still with the jabs at me

[Bacde]

What I want to know is, why you don't feel like the nacho I love?

[Bacde]

please day vig me now

[Bacde]

I'm back to AA9 scum btw

[Bacde]

VOTE: Desp

[Bacde]

Peditx4: A bolded word?! Are we fucking serious here?!?!? No, just no. And #1993 is opportunistic as fuck.

It's too bad I had no intentions of hopping on the wagon anyway. Just a little input in a slightly more in-depth manner. I still don't really buy the Nacho case anyway.

Wait, you were serious with this?

I also refreshed this page at least 9 times to wait for Bacde to post 'jk'.

So did I

[Bacde]

Peditx4: A bolded word?! Are we fucking serious here?!?!? No, just no. And #1993 is opportunistic as fuck.

It's too bad I had no intentions of hopping on the wagon anyway. Just a little input in a slightly more in-depth manner. I still don't really buy the Nacho case anyway.

Wait, you were serious with this?

I also refreshed this page at least 9 times to wait for Bacde to post 'jk'.

So did I

I'm going to keep this moment in my heart forever.

lol I hope thats not you admitting that you are scum

you are on thin ice in my heart right now buddy

[Bacde]

The only time Bacde ever joked about bussing a scumbudy that I could find, he was actually bussing a scum budy.
He joked about bussing you this game.

Combined with what looks like a bus vote from Bc and ...

pretty sure that I have never truthfully admitted when I am bussing a scumbuddy

why are you making up fake meta of me?

[Bacde]

hey guys lets unvote nacho and lynch desp plz

ok thanks

[Bacde]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26373

Just read page one.

Zoidberg wasn't scum?

thank you for existing

[Bacde]

hey guys lets unvote nacho and lynch desp plz

ok thanks

Where's this Desperado push coming from?

I asked him to, Bulb.

I'm not sure I buy that, especially with how hard he was pushing the Nacho wagon. The shift is disconcerting.

lol

bacde is voting nacho--bulb: wtf bacde is scum!

bacde switches and votes desp--bulb: wtf bacde is scum!

bacde exists--bulb: wtf bacde is scum!

ad naseum

[Bacde]

Nacho, you, KK, Nero, Slandaar, probably Peregrine (had a townread on DLG).

Leaning town on people like Om, AK. Can't decide what to do with Thor, Bacde, Bulb.

throw me in town fool what do you think

[Bacde]

I switched because I realized I can be wrong and desp isn't looking good anyway

I'll decide after the flip if nacho was bussing or not tbh

[Bacde]

actually

VOTE: AA9

since AA9 is definitely scum and I'm not sure I wanna follow nacho's read on desp

thezmon is giving me scummy vibes, here is my impression of his thought processes this game

thezmon: dude why are you tunneling nacho

bacde: (gives reasons)

thezmon: those reasons are good, but not quite good enough, do you have more?

bacde: (gives more reasons)

thezmon: ooh thats good, but I'm just not gonna place my vote there for some reason, I don't think the reasons are good enough

bacde unvotes nacho

thezmon: it doesn't make any sense that you unvoted nacho! Why would you unvote nacho if you had all those great reasons?
--
basically, why would someone who has been unwilling to vote nacho all game think that its weird that I pulled back on that push?
---
I realize this post focused on thezmon but AA9 is 100% scum so I'm willing to make this lynch here

[Bacde]

So why do/did you think Despo is/was scummy?

the vote had more to do with thinking nacho was kinda townie

honestly at this point I don't care who we lynch out of nacho/despo/AA9

I'd most prefer AA9 though

[Bacde]

I'm down to lynch thor and he is probably scum

but AA9 has a bacde-guarantee to flip scum

[Bacde]

I personally wonder how much Mastin pointing out the deadline lynch ruling contributed to Bacde's change of vote and softening of his Nacho scumon.

me too

probably not that much

but it had an effect on where I wanted my vote to be

[Bacde]

wait, you are scum aren't you?

why do I humor scum

[Bacde]

So why do/did you think Despo is/was scummy?

the vote had more to do with thinking

nacho was kinda townie

honestly at this point

I don't care who we lynch out of nacho

/despo/AA9

I'd most prefer AA9 though

Does anybody else see the problem with the bolded? Bacde, why would you be okay with lynching someone you think is townie?

the word "had" implies the past

yesterday (during the past) I was thinking nacho seemed more townie

today (the present) I'm more in between

so nacho is on my lynch list but not necessarily at the top

[Bacde]

Bacde show me why Nacho is not scum off what you read recently.

Vote: Baby Spice

This wagon I can defiantly get behind though.

Why were people voting Desp though, I forgot/didn't get far enough to see why.

tbh I'm not convinced nacho is scum anymore

i dunno if it was a specific post or what

I think its likely that he is scum and he manipulated me to somehow feel this way, if that makes any sense

anyway AA9 is defo scum so we should lynch there

[Bacde]

can someone give me a tl;dr of the last 30 pages?

tl;dr shit went down

[Bacde]

VOTE: nachomamma8

nvm he's scum

I messed up the past couple of days

I completely understand if I've shot my credibility in the foot

but to be honestly not that many people thought I was that credible

doesn't matter though, I'm right

nacho is scum

[Bacde]

@Peregrine, here's the case on nacho

and yes, I'm back on board with nacho-scum

we are lynching this mofo

sorry to make you stop flying nacho, its just that you have a scum PM

Smurf you guys are gonna let scumcho right through your fingers

Link or restatement of your case on Nacho?

He's acting like

you

do when you are scum

you know, he's acting like an experienced scum player

his scumreads are few and far between

his only posts are purposely constructed to appear town without actually doing tough town work

he tunneled on the worst case I've ever seen nacho tunnel on in my life

and he was convinced about it

and now that no one followed him on the OS case, he is acting like it never happened

he isn't addressing me as though I have a real case because he wants to sweep this under the rug (and he knows I'm serious about this read and he knows that I can build a smurfing bandwagon by myself), yet he is addressing everyone else and their points

here's the thing--OS

COULD

be scum, but its something that Nacho hopped on extremely excitedly with no regard for anything else because he needs to latch on to SOMETHING to push to pretend like he is town

its the same way that in 1393 you latched on to AP making a small "lie" about whether he had read into your meta deeply or if he had skimmed your games--the point really doesn't smurfing matter that much but a scum will push it like dragon eggs because they don't want to have to think about the game analytically

also he proposed a massclaim on d1 for no reason and pushed that

nacho is being cheeky scum right now and people are letting him get away with it

Yes, I've played with Nacho before.

I also considered Ceph to be null, so that part isn't exactly an issue. His read overall has been a tossup for me. I felt he had good motivation in his posts, but Jiffy convinced me of a light for other posts of him, which is why he's null and not one way or the other. He showed a distaste for fuzzy when fuzzy made the unnecessary, and rather opportunistic pseudo-contribution, post, which I'm all for. Whether he would have voted if I didn't or not, I won't know, but I don't feel the sheep is explicitly a scummy sheep regardless.

Besides, we still have almost a week, so we have time. The fact of the matter is, I don't think Nacho is a good enough lynch at this point in time. His beginning was crap, but I like his recent posts, even if I don't agree with them.

<<< Actually, it's over a week--almost two weeks, in fact. Deadline for D1 was set at three weeks, not two, meaning you've still got a week and a half (12 days as of this edit) left. Deadline isn't next Monday, but the Monday after that. >>>

Nacho knows that his more recent posts are better,

that's why he made them

but nothing in his recent posts screamed town

AND YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY NACHO MAKES POSTS THAT SCREAM TOWN

the entire purpose of his "reads" posts was just to get more townreads from people not confident enough to lynch him

did you notice how nacho asked me if I saw a "keyword" or something in his posts? He was trying to act like he was confident that I wasn't reading his posts (even though I've been reading every letter). The entire way nacho is ignoring the wagon on him and ESPECIALLY ignoring me

SCREAMS

scum-nacho, and the way CTD is misrepresenting every aspect of my posts screams scum-partner

There's a reason nacho's play improved (only slightly) RIGHT AFTER I started this bandwagon on him for him having shitty posts. ITS. BECAUSE. NACHO. IS. SCUM.

PS--just wanted to add this in because I was thinking about how shitty CTD is at representing me. If I was ever "backing off" nacho, then why was I so insistent that he be vigged? And why did I never unvote him? Oh, I guess I was never backing off him in the first place

If you are town, do you know how stupid this is? You're basically saying you're willing to put town down -4 if you're wrong. Where's the town motivation in that?

Pride.

Does anyone else see how nacho makes a post like this, and then a bunch of townsfolk all say "WTF IT WAS PRIDE?! SCREW THAT! WE CAN'T LYNCH NACHO"

Trust me, nacho knows what he's doing, and nacho knows how to play scum

Guys, it wasn't pride

Pride has absolutely nothing to do with it

NACHO. IS. SCUM.

thats all there is to it

If ANYTHING, it has more to do with experimentation than pride, I'm experimenting with a new style

I like to call it "anti-scum to the extreme"

Nacho isn't playing to "out his reads" or "find scum" this game, he's

manipulating people

(and he can do it with one word even as shown w/ the pride post)

that is not the way town-nacho plays

Look at these two posts intended to manipulate me using fear out of my push on nacho:

Mollie, Bacde, I'm not screaming at you guys for being idiots this game because you do have a point because I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet. It's not that I'm lacking motivation for this game and it isn't that I'm being useless (that's bullshit, Bacde), but I definitely am not being as aggressive and on point this game because I just don't have things worked out yet. I have a pretty good scumread in Desperado, a pretty decent town core, but I don't feel comfortable with the game to the point that I usually do. Although, Bacde:

if nacho flips town you are suspect #1

If I flip town, you're living in my scumlist for a while. You owe me that much.

Will you?

Also, why has he forgotten about this:

That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.

If he wants me to follow his reads, why isn't he pushing them harder? If he wants me to follow his reads, why does he keep saying to me "No you have a point I haven't been playing as well as I'd like this game"

Guys, excuses like that are scummy on their own. But when he simultaneously says that he's unhappy with his reads, but ALSO wants me to follow his reads?

Scum.

I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet.

That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.

I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet.

That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.

I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet.

That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.

I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet.

That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.

VOTE: Nacho

[Bacde]

if we aren't lynching nacho then we have to lynch out of this pool:

baby spice/thor/desp/AA9

no other options

pedit- WHAT THE BUTT NACHO ISNT EVEN VOTING DESP ANYMORE LYNCH THSI SCUM

[Bacde]

sorry to make you stop flying nacho, its just that you have a scum PM

I knew it wouldn't last.

yeah scum are good at manipulating me in most of my games tbh

but then I can reread my old posts and go "why am I thinking something different than what I argued before? these posts are awesome!"

[Bacde]

I'd say my biggest problem isn't finding the scum

its being manipulated by the scum after I've found them

[Bacde]

hey Peregrine I'm talking to you and giving you info

[Bacde]

Hey I'm replacing in and....

Fucking 90 pages!!?!

<<< Sorry, shoulda warned you 'bout that. >>>

Um, it'll probably take me to the weekend to catch up. Anything really important I need to know now?

<<< Deadline is in six days, on Tuesday. >>>

2 things

1) Sorry about playing with fire

2) you should vote for nacho

[Bacde]

It's astounding how quick you are to hop from one wagon to the next. Two popular wagons, with one being the counter of the other, no less. Have you ever actually put thought into your cases and rationally thought it out, or are you doing this at the spur of the moment?

rational and spur of the moment are not mutually exclusive

and please stop pretending like I ever had any credibility with you to begin with, even at the apex of my confidence and case and wagon on nacho you were never convinced to vote for him

seriously all your posts are posturing

[Bacde]

thezmon why aren't you pushing on fbn harder?

why haven't you been trying to convince me to vote for fbn?

[Bacde]

Bacde make up your mind, holy balls. You may be either bipolar or disturbingly good at pretending to be bipolar.

nice attempt to discredit me by using a reference to mental disorders

does being bipolar affect nacho being scum in any way?

[Bacde]

Do you actually think about where you put your vote, or do you put it merely wherever you wish at that singular time?

how are these two things mutually exclusive?

I do both

[Bacde]

If a scum aligned player is pretending to use confirmation bias you wouldn't say that they have confirmation bias you'd say they were faking confirmation bias. Your post implied he actually had it, and don't tell me that's not what you meant because all the words around those two point to the same thing iirc.

And now we're back to word choice and telling me what I meant. My scum read on Nacho never wavered, yet you and Bulb and Nacho are trying to say that by saying he exhibits confirmation, I was subconsciously

admitting

that he's town.

Are you seriously suggesting that all I needed to say was "faking confirmation bias" as opposed to "he has confirmation bias" to render this whole argument moot?

is desp somehow misrepping the case on him?

because the case seems pretty shitty based on this post

[Bacde]

Question for those who are against massclaiming now.

Would you massclaim if the town decided to?

probably not

[Bacde]

thez is scum, nacho is scum, thor might be scum, eddiefenix is obviously scum w/ nacho

what else is there to say about this game?

[Bacde]

OH right AA9 is scum

[Bacde]

and pirate_mollie is obviously, painfully town

[Bacde]

thez is scum, nacho is scum, thor might be scum, eddiefenix is obviously scum w/ nacho

what else is there to say about this game?

That you are terribly tunnel visioning and trying to link me to nacho is just stupid.

no its not

lol @ your response though

[Bacde]

votes on nacho guys

guys

seriously

guys listen

guys

listen to me seriously

guys

hey guys seriously

hey listen cmon guys

seriously

vote nacho

[Bacde]

no no no

lets get nacho

[Bacde]

btw Slandaar has become a solidified townread of mine for this page

[Bacde]

ugh how are we not lynching nacho

nacho you are good at playing scum man

[Bacde]

you even had me fooled for a bit

[Bacde]

the difference is that Rena made it sound like she has a town read on OS/that her scum read on OS is fake. Fucking read Mollie.

I'm always down to policy lynch derp players like you and OS but I've never ever been willingly ok with mislynching a player.

Does not compute.

but this guy is prob scum. policy lynch=//=intentionally try to mislynch a town player. I mean Mollie is dumb as rocks and knows that I defend my town reads but your post looks like scum piling on.

lol, you are such scum nero!

VOTE: nero

I like where this is going

VOTE: Nero

nacho and nero sitting in a tree

s-c-u-m-i-n-g (not enough syllables for 2 m's)

[Bacde]

So you think I was bussing Nacho?

I wouldn't put it past you

on the other hand, maybe this is multiball

slandaar is town and he is speculating that its multiball, so maybe he's right

[Bacde]

Her meta change hasn't really been gradual; her town game's been getting more aggressive to compensate for my changing scum style, but her scum game is still the same. She just prefers playing town more; look at players like Empire, Tierce, Tammy. They've had a while to fix their scumgames, but they're still open books to people familiar with their meta.

guys this post is nacho pretty much admitting that he is scum

he got all stoked previously about me unvoting him because he had me fooled

anyway VOTE: nacho

[Bacde]

What's thez done to draw your ire, Slaand?

Arguing with beyond obvtown Bacde over trivial things.
Acting helpful
Votes the easiest wagons he possibly could.
He doesn't try to push wagons except ones hes not on.

yes

this is why thezmon is scum

especially the "pretending to be helpful" bit, where its obviously an act to get me to keep on ranting to which he will NEVER change his opinion or even insert his own beyond "I'm not convinced"

[Bacde]

Do we know what the record is for "voting the same player the most number of times in a game day"? Bacde is really gunning for the title.

what is the purpose of this post?

[Bacde]

^^town town town town town town town town town town town

town town town

town
town

town
townt
won

wtojwnt
wotn
wowtn





...






...



or serial killer w/ 2 shot-BP

[Bacde]

newpage fail

[Bacde]

actually, considering that he has no real scumreads, he is probably an SK

[Bacde]

^^votes someone who isn't a scumread

what am I missing

also Nero you must think that I'm

WAAAAAY

more strategic and manipulative of a player than I actually am if you think I've ever attempted to derail the nacho wagon

I just lost some of my confidence and tbh I don't understand why you were on board the wagon but never pushed it like I did, or tried to get me back on board when I was faltering

[Bacde]

Pro-tip, careful with iso. You don't get everything in context.

Nacho, BeautyBeast, Koobla, OmDes are my town reads. Less sure on Beauty though.

Thor, Oversoul, Bacda, Nero are my scum reads.

I'm pondering over CTD.

No opinion on anyone else.

care to explain bacde to me?

I'd love to explain why you are wrong

[Bacde]

Pro-tip, careful with iso. You don't get everything in context.

Nacho, BeautyBeast, Koobla, OmDes are my town reads. Less sure on Beauty though.

Thor, Oversoul, Bacda, Nero are my scum reads.

I'm pondering over CTD.

No opinion on anyone else.

care to explain bacde to me?

I'd love to explain why you are wrong

Your posts aren't useful.

define "useful"

because I don't think useful means what you think it means

[Bacde]

I don't need to think you've tried to derail the Nacho wagon, the thread evidence says that you have.

IMO I was reaching out for help and support, which you didn't give despite pretending to support the nacho wagon?

if you read my posts its obvious that I wasn't trying to derail the wagon, but had rather lost confidence in it

[Bacde]

btw Rena can't define "useful" because she's attacking my playstyle and not my play

I've seen it before folks nothing to see here move along

[Bacde]

I don't "whore" meta

none of my reads are based on meta you (pumpkin pie)

they are entirely based on the way people are playing IN THIS GAME

[Bacde]

So this:

the case on nacho is that nacho rules at mafia

but for some reason this game he is really lame

and his posts are lame

is not a meta read?

no its not

just because I can recognize when nacho is scum and you can't doesn't mean that its a meta read

[Bacde]

nacho acted all excited after i loosened up my pressure and what does he do?

does he take the opportunity to find scum and do protown things?

NO.

he freaking jumps right back on top of OS!

[Bacde]

[Bacde]

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

Yeah, let's lynch B&tB or Desperado.

what the butt dude

we aren't lynching B&B

[Bacde]

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

Yeah, let's lynch B&tB or Desperado.

so, you want to lynch B&B or Desp,

but you're gonna leave your vote on OS?

that makes sense

[Bacde]

so, you want to lynch B&B or Desp,

but you're gonna leave your vote on OS?

that makes sense

You're right, if I was doing that it wouldn't make sense.

I'm done being sarcastic with you just move your vote to nacho

[Bacde]

It's a 'meh, derp player lynch' and if that's what we want to do let's at least admit it. Heck, i might support it if that was what we were lynching him for - but I don't think he looks scummy.

omg omg omg

thor said something I agree with!!!!

[Bacde]

VOTE: nacho

[Bacde]

Happy birthday Thor!

vote for nacho now?

[Bacde]

the problem w/ this game is that nacho, thor, and nero are all scum and we have players like desp who are awesome scapegoats to the whole shenanigans

plus players like thezmon and eddiefenix are perfect sidelining scum who won't let any of the needed lynches through, and their play is making the actual unsure townies even more unsure and less willing to string up the obvious big name scum that are in this game

[Bacde]

oh snaps this is multiball holy shit townpoints for everyone who called it!

[Bacde]

I'm assuming the other mafia is red (since a red/blue dichotomy makes sense)

Nacho is obvredscum who shot red ryu for being a huge supporter of the nacho wagon, but also as an attempt to discredit the wagon by leaving the largest and towniest supporters alive

I bet he was hoping red ryu would flip scum to discredit the wagon

don't let it fool you boys

VOTE: Nacho

[Bacde]

Eddiefenix next

[Bacde]

Who wants to dig around for Red Ryu's partners? I'm hunting red right now but a town-team looking for blue scum would be awesome

[Bacde]

hi guys.

nacho, I hear from mollie that you are looking pretty scummy. tell me it ain't so.

what else do I need to know?

- fery

Nacho is probably scum and probably about to shoot for Desp

He's pretty clearly setting up mislynches

oh snaps this is multiball holy shit townpoints for everyone who called it!

You mean scum points right? Calling multiball before a flip is always scumm

You were one of the people calling it multiball, weren't you?

Yes! I wasn't the first, but after some people pointed it out I agreed

since there are a LOT of players being TOTALLY scummy who don't seem like they are on teams

[Bacde]

Besides this being a gigantic load of WIFOM, this theory is also horribad. Nacho is too good to do something as obvious and stupid as that. Odds are that it is either someone off of the Nacho wagon who wanted to keep suspicion on Nacho, or someone on the wagon who wanted to continue pushing the case for a mislynch.

if nacho is "too good" to do things then why has he sucked this game?

[Bacde]

Because he's probably blue. Although if that's the case, Ryu's sheeping him was an incredibly stupid play. Nevermind, blue Bacde is unlikely because of that. It's probably red Bacde using WIFOM to throw everyone off of his trail.

I can't wait til I'm nightkilled and you ahve to reread all my posts and are like

GAH I WAS WRONG WHY CANT I READ THIS BACDE GUY

[Bacde]

Who wants to dig around for Red Ryu's partners?

I'm hunting red right now

but a town-team looking for blue scum would be awesome

why?

Also, I made a mistake yesterday. It was Thez, not Bulb, that suggested a 7-8 man scum game.

because nacho/eddie are my top pick for scum pair and they don't make sense w/ Red Ryu I don't think

also I'm upset with myself for missing out on Red Ryu being scum so

I'm not opposed to lynching blue scum though, find me Ryu's partner and I'll vote him/her

ACTUALLY would nacho make sense as a team w/ red ryu? They mighta been bussing and I don't remember if nacho was on board with ryu-scum or not

[Bacde]

Because he's probably blue. Although if that's the case, Ryu's sheeping him was an incredibly stupid play. Nevermind, blue Bacde is unlikely because of that. It's probably red Bacde using WIFOM to throw everyone off of his trail.

I can't wait til I'm nightkilled and you ahve to reread all my posts and are like

GAH I WAS WRONG WHY CANT I READ THIS BACDE GUY

AtE

is there a purpose behind this post?

yes, I used AtE

ILL ADMIT IT WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE?

[Bacde]

I've seen him play worse and still be town. Plus, his play mid to late d1 was not only good, but gave me a solid town read. Again, you're going to need better than Burden of Proficiency and WIFOM to convince me that Nacho's scum.

Besides this being a gigantic load of WIFOM, this theory is also horribad. Nacho is too good to do something as obvious and stupid as that. Odds are that it is either someone off of the Nacho wagon who wanted to keep suspicion on Nacho, or someone on the wagon who wanted to continue pushing the case for a mislynch.

If nacho was bad, he woulda killed me instead of Ryu, the most commonly accepted scummy member of the nacho-push

You're going to need better than counter-WIFOM and an argument that you

self-admit is bad

to convince ANYONE to pretend that I am scum

Here is him admitting his case is bad:

Spoiler:

Because he's probably blue. Although if that's the case, Ryu's sheeping him was an incredibly stupid play. Nevermind, blue Bacde is unlikely because of that. It's probably red Bacde using WIFOM to throw everyone off of his trail.

[Bacde]

I was right about RED RYU

Bcade you need to turn your Nacho obsession into something else. Stop expressing your crush on him here..
the next obvious scum is DESP

VOTE: Desp

if no one follows me onto nacho can we at least lynch AA9?

[Bacde]

Tbh: I have a hard time reading Ceph.
It's not that he's not likely as scum. It's that I don't see him as scum.

Ryu, hmm. Now THERE is a likely scum if I ever saw one.

Don't want to vote him just yet though. Ryu, what do you have to say to this?

.....................damn it, Ryu.

That's just too cute.

What?
I don't want to lynch Ryu.

Haven't looked into every possibility yet but for now,

VOTE: Haylen

I like this

I nominate you to be the leader of the "blue scum finding town faction"

[Bacde]

"blue-scum-finding town faction"

makes it a little more clear what I was trying to say

[Bacde]

hi guys.

nacho, I hear from mollie that you are looking pretty scummy. tell me it ain't so.

what else do I need to know?

- fery

hey ffery

now, more than ever, I need you to not sheep the "project themselves as power players" crowd

because this game is a bigger mess than a pot of south carolina shrimp gumbo spilled over a gopher hole (although actually w/ 1 bluescum down we are doing alright)

mollie is towntowntown so I figure you are town for being in the same slot, HELP MEE

[Bacde]

I got to about page 13 yesterday and then decided to wait and see if mollie and I survived the night before reading the whole damn thread.

13 pages was enough to get a scum vibe off Red Ryu, though, as well as a sense of unease about Nacho. I don't really know Thor. he was another active player during the period before day 1 voting was supposed to start. How do you feel about him? Think he's town?

pedit hi maramala! same question to you?

Thor is scum in the sense that he is actively hindering town achieve our win condition, which is lynching nacho-scum and then watching the rest of the scum crumble

Does he have a scum role PM? Its hard to say

[Bacde]

Besides this being a gigantic load of WIFOM, this theory is also horribad.

Nacho is too good to do something as obvious and stupid as that.

Odds are that it is either someone off of the Nacho wagon who wanted to keep suspicion on Nacho, or someone on the wagon who wanted to continue pushing the case for a mislynch.

Obvious counter-WIFOM

Yes, nacho is good. That's why he killed Red Ryu and not me

I haven't made the argument that Nacho is bad at this game once, so I guess you're the one who is misrepping?

Notice that it is not my case about why you are scum. It is my reasoning about why you are not blue scum. I've never admitted that my scum case against you was bad. Ever. You're going to have to try to misrep me harder if you want to succeed.

If you actually think I am red scum then you must think I am bussing nacho because nacho IS RED SCUM

[Bacde]

Can we stop making gog damn counter wagons to the 2-3 people have a mass amount of votes on, this is what causes a no lynch.

idgaf about the eddie case right now because he's not Nacho, Desp, or OS.

We need 13 within 2 days, so stop with the bullshit counter wagons and go with something that is actually viable. /drunk

Not trying to be a dick but we need to actually get a lynch and not waster 108 pages and not even lynch.

There is a plurality rule

Your attempts to appear town are fooling no one

ok I was fooled tbh Syr but this post explains why red ryu shot you

funny... his name is red ryu but he was blue scum

go figure

[Bacde]

Besides this being a gigantic load of WIFOM, this theory is also horribad.

Nacho is too good to do something as obvious and stupid as that.

Odds are that it is either someone off of the Nacho wagon who wanted to keep suspicion on Nacho, or someone on the wagon who wanted to continue pushing the case for a mislynch.

Obvious counter-WIFOM

Yes, nacho is good.

That's why he killed Red Ryu and not me

I haven't made the argument that Nacho is bad at this game once, so I guess you're the one who is misrepping?

Notice that it is not my case about why you are scum. It is my reasoning about why you are not blue scum. I've never admitted that my scum case against you was bad. Ever. You're going to have to try to misrep me harder if you want to succeed.

If you actually think I am red scum then you must think I am bussing nacho because nacho IS RED SCUM

How did Nacho kill Red Ryu if you don't mind my asking?

it was

YOUR

factional kill that you used w/ nacho

why are you pretending you don't understand my argument?

[Bacde]

ugh the thing about bulbazak is that he's probably town

[Bacde]

Eddie Fenix: I've played with Eddie before. Not only that, but I've modded several games that he's been in. I've seen enough that I'm able to discern between his scum and his town game. This is his town game.

what are the differences between his scum/town game?

I'm interested because I'm heavily reading Eddie as a scumpartner w/ nacho

UGH are you sure he's town?

[Bacde]

SCREW YOU RED RYU WTF YOU ARE SCUM IN ALL MY GAMES AND NOW I LOOK BAD BECAUSE OF YOU

UGH YOU PROBABLY DIDNT EVEN THINK NACHO WAS SCUM YOU FREAKING COATTAILS RIDING SCUMBUTT

[Bacde]

THAT'S funny.

NOW, explain your extremely weak argument.

i can do the same thing

howabout you make an argument before you demand that I explain mine (for the nth freaking time)

[Bacde]

figuring you out is going to be a priority after our first game together.

lol?

I haven't betrayed you once. Ever. I wasn't even betraying you in that first game.

You keep referring to our first game as though I did a bad thing

Sure, 42 ended up being scum but I wouldn't have seen that w/o my top scumread being lynched in that game

and I helped you realize that AP was scum in that game

I'm a good guy man, and my reads are good. Maybe they aren't perfect, but they are good

and nacho isn't sitting right with plenty of people for a reason

[Bacde]

ugh quote fail...trying again.

Ffullisade: Two things: 1.) The Thor/Mollie interaction from d1. Mollie actually was dodging Thor's questions. It was enough to move them out of the town pile. 2.) Majiffy was the only one who backed Red Ryu up about directing the night actions. Everybody else who commented was against it, iirc, and referred to it as anti-town.

that is so majiffy.

I'll be focusing more on reads than on strategy probably. I know my strengths and weaknesses.

- f

maybe mollie changed her scum meta to match her town meta but I have a good reason to believe that isn't the case, which means you are in a town slot

fyi bulb's read on me is as wrong as his read on you

[Bacde]

Of course that part is WIFOM! But you said that I used WIFOM in the case against you. This is not the case against you. This is why I believe Nacho is not scum. You want to know how I came to that conclusion? Because if I was scum, and I had a wagon on me like the one Nacho had, the last thing I would do would be to shoot one of the major pushers of my wagon. Now I know that Nacho is a better player than I am, and understands what I do. Therefore, there is no way he would have shot Red Ryu as scum. Especially with you trying to shove his wagon down everyone's throat. The same goes to why he wouldn't shoot you as scum. It's too obvious and an overall bad move.

ugh this argument for nacho being town is ALL wifom

and your argument for me being scum is that I'm pushing on nacho

I'm leading you to water dude, DRINK IT

[Bacde]

Look. Buddying.

YES I AM DOING THAT

I DONT UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT

YOU SEEM TO BE IMPLYING THAT IT IS SCUM-BUDDYING BUT YOU ARE DOING A PISS-POOR JOB OF IT BECAUSE YOU CANT EXPLAIN IT FURTHER THAN JUST SAYING "BUDDYING" OR "ATE" OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANNA JAB AT

[Bacde]

IF I WAS SCUM WHY WOULD I FEEL INSECURE ABOUT THE FFERY/MOLLIE SLOT WHEN MOLLIE ALREADY READS ME AS TOWN?! I HAVE NO REASON TO BUDDY THAT SLOT TO GARNER VOTES, IM BUDDYING BECAUSE FFERY IS MY BUDDY

ALSO, YOU READ THE FFERY/MOLLIE SLOT AS SCUM DO YOU NOT? WHY WOULD I NEED TO BUDDY MY SCUM-PARTNER?

GAAAH YOUR LOGIC IS SO WRONG

[Bacde]

also, bacde, I only kid you about that game because you keep telling me to sheep you. I blame myself for taking my vote off Red Ryu after he replaced 42.

if you don't ever sheep me ever I understand, I only ask that you not sheep the players I'm arguing with

[Bacde]

No, the argument for Nacho being scum is all WIFOM. And my argument for you being scum is the way you're pushing Nacho, not the actual push itself.

you must have forgotten about how Nacho was scum yesterday

[Bacde]

way you're pushing Nacho, not the actual push itself.

have you ever seen me push a lynch?

[Bacde]

why are girls so much better at reading me

[Bacde]

Just lynch Thor hes scum.

Seriously explain please

because this is the type of argument you made in Mini 1393 when you were bussing him

I need evidence man, or at least explain your gut?

[Bacde]

Just lynch Thor hes scum.

Seriously explain please

because this is the type of argument you made in Mini 1393 when you were bussing him

I need evidence man, or at least explain your gut?

All the more reason to vote him then.

no

I have no reason to suspect that you are bussing right now

except I do have reason to suspect that you are scum pushing a scumgenda

do you see where I'm coming from?

[Bacde]

Oh

Bacde is scum

ok nice to see how deep your townreads go

I ask you for an explanation and suddenly I'm scum

[Bacde]

so just based off of Syr's reads, Desp,Red, and AA9(based on his comment) are switched into the scum pile. and baby spice and bacde join the null to scum pile.
theres more to read based off of syrs reads switching but I honestly can't keep it all in my head.

after isoing Syr I can believe that Red killed syr, but if he did why did his team let him? at that point Red was a pretty good bussing option so why kill a person gunning for his death? unless Syr's reads were just retardedly accurate and the scum team got scared of him.

syr was a pretty strong proponent of Red Ryu scum, and its confirmed that red ryu killed syr (since the other factional kill killed him, and since he was a ninja he obviously targetted Syr) so it makes sense to me. Red Ryu wasn't in immediate danger of the lynch I don't think (at least he wasn't in danger of a vote from me)

Why did I move to null to scum, jw? Syr had me as null to town

[Bacde]

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him? not like Syr was a major player capable of forming a lynch on ryu to go through, and again Ryu was a pretty good bussing option, so why try and eliminate people who scum read him?

I dunno

my guess is that the scum team decided NOT to bus, which makes sense as bussing doesn't even really earn you that much town-cred in multiball. They probably wanted to let Red Ryu live and killed Syr accordingly

I wouldn't have tried to lynch RR so thats at least one townie he had fooled

plus Syr was basically unlynchable, I don't know anyone who scumread Syr

[Bacde]

ORIGIN

omg hes trolling us

Spoiler: <<< Not-quite-as-late-but-still-bad mod-edited-votecount >>>

Haylen - 3 (Cephrir, Om the Destroyer, Nero Cain)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
EddieFenix - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Bacde - 1 (Bulbazak)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Thor665 - 1 (Slandaar)
Cephrir - 1 (CrashTextDummie)

With

21

alive, it's

11

to lynch.

[Bacde]

No, its not worth it until nacho is lynched

Nacho, I know you're reading my posts, I know you're scum, and I just want to say that I'm upset that:

1) You are hiding this game instead of pretending you are town since thats gonna work for at least 2 more dayphases
2) That you blocked my vig-kill

[Bacde]

And let me get ONE MORE THING straightened out. You just claimed that Nacho had two different actions that he used in one night. You said he blocked you in this post. And then earlier you claimed that he made the kill on Red Ryu. How about you take a minute to think about it, and then say what you mean? Or are you implying that he does, in fact, have two night actions (which is pretty inconceivable) that you magically know about? Which would then lead to the conclusion that you would be a scum buddy of his?

lol

please tell me you aren't this dumb

you realize that mafia factions can use powers and have other members make kills right?

some mods even allow the same mafia member to make a kill and perform an action in a single night

[Bacde]

Actually I'm going to claim now, because it could potentially put things in to an interesting light.
I am also in a neighbourhood with one other member. I'm not going to claim them yet, in case they don't want to be revealed. CTD's stance about their being two scum/town neighborhoods, one for each scumteam, did pique my interest. I've seen the like before, although in this case I think my neighbour is town. Would it make sense for two separate random neighbourhoods though, containing entirely town?

Its possible for them both to be town

Mastin isn't a mod I would try to outguess

IMO in your neighborhood you are more likely to be scum since you replaced Hanzo_5 and are white-knighting for your partner

[Bacde]

2) That you blocked my vig-kill

Yes, nacho is good. That's why he killed Red Ryu and not me

please tell me you aren't this dumb

you realize that mafia factions can use powers and have other members make kills right?

some mods even allow the same mafia member to make a kill and perform an action in a single night

Maybe I wasn't clear. You said that Nacho himself both blocked you and killed RR. You didn't say his team did it. You said HE did it. And thanks for ignoring half of my post, but you should actually respond to my questions instead of ignoring them. HOWEVER, if you read anything else instead of misrepping my entire post, you'd realize that wasn't even the major point. So go and actually read it instead of cherrypicking things that you can defend against.

@thez: Do you really think bluescum would bus today? they lost one already and it's multiball.

True, I forgot about that. However Haylen's death wouldn't clear you as town, mind you.

you are accusing me of cherrypicking your posts, but I seriously quoted and addressed the meat of your post, the only thing I didn't address was this:

The fuck it's not worth it. Why are you scared to show your reads? And why did you just roleclaim?

1)I'm not scared to show my reads and in fact there are many posts of mine in my ISO which show them, but right now I'm concentrating on Nacho. Its pretty clear
2)Why not

Also, lol at you pretending like its a big deal to differentiate between which member of the scum killed Red Ryu or blocked me, honestly I don't know to either. But its definitely Nacho's team on both counts

[Bacde]

yeah right, no one is following you Bcade!!!!
you're shit!!!

k

who is scum

if I'm so bad

[Bacde]

ITT AA9 calls others bad at mafia

discuss

[Bacde]

pretty sure mollie is town

[Bacde]

ugh this is dumb everyones reads are different how is this game supposed to work

[Bacde]

1) So you're saying your reads haven't changed from D1 to D2 based on night kills?
2)The fuck you mean why not? The scum can take you out at night time or manipulate you in a way during the day to work to their advantage. You just put a big target on your back when you didn't need to.

1) Not especially

2) How I play is my own perogative; scum can make what they want of my claim. Town definitely will after I die

3) Stop pretending like these questions matter at all, its pretty obvious they don't

[Bacde]

ugh this is dumb everyones reads are different how is this game supposed to work

simple. We pick, dig, and watch the pattern of people for slips and what not.

yeah but with you being scum and Cephir probably being scum too (seriously, I'm a townread of Cephs? Why?) and no one being willing to lynch you guys this is going to be tough

lol did you seriously respond to my complaining post trying to be helpful by saying basically "we play by scumhunting". Seriously, what town would say that?

[Bacde]

ugh this is dumb everyones reads are different how is this game supposed to work

simple. We pick, dig, and watch the pattern of people for slips and what not.

yeah but with you being scum and Cephir probably being scum too (seriously, I'm a townread of Cephs? Why?) and no one being willing to lynch you guys this is going to be tough

lol did you seriously respond to my complaining post trying to be helpful by saying basically "we play by scumhunting". Seriously, what town would say that?

Really? I've been calling you obvtown since early day 1.

oh

well I don't know you and usually town who don't know how I play will scumread me so I'm still suspicious

you aren't my top scumread by any means though

[Bacde]

Ok whether or not Slandaar is right about Thor I am convinced that he is town

[Bacde]

Sorry about the reference to 1393 I was making previously buddy

[Bacde]

1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.

Really? You think its crap? Because you haven't refuted any of it. And actually, yesterday you were saying that it was pretty good, it just wasn't

quite enough

to get you to vote

I'm pretty certain that you're scum w/ nacho (and probably EddieFenix)

You know who ELSE doesn't have reads that change after flips? Town who is correct. And if you had even been reading me yesterday, my read on nacho DID change yesterday, until I finally become convinced of him being scum again

try harder to paint me as scummy plz

[Bacde]

Seriously thezmon, that post was so shitty

If nacho was scum yesterday, why the hell would he suddenly be town today? Especially considering that the Red Ryu kill would have been an awesome one for nacho-scum to make

[Bacde]

Ok whether or not Slandaar is right about Thor I am convinced that he is town

Do you have a read on Thor? Or is this something you don't want to talk about today?

Mollie and I talked about her reasons for thinking Thor is scum, and I buy into them, since I know they are coming from a town perspective and she has a hell of a lot more experience playing with Thor than I do.

I could still go for a Nacho lynch personally. Reading through that mass claim discussion did not give me a happy this-is-town-nacho vibe at all.

there are a ton of other players to catch up on, so exactly what my day 2 lynch priority should be is a little up in the air until I'm fully caught up. I have another game that's entered its final hours before nightfall and it's taking up most of my mafia-time right now.

@Thor

while I'm getting up to speed, I'll probably ignore your day 2 posts for now unless you make it clear enough that you are addressing something to the fferyllt head of ffullisade that I can spot it as I exercise the scroll wheel on those walls. Or better yet...make it a short post!

- f

hey whats up ffery nice to have you as town here

I'm down to lynch thor I guess but I REALLY want nacho lynched

trust me, if nacho was town you'd be getting warm fuzzy feelings from his posts

the same happens to me

but I'm not getting those feels for some reason

oh, I know the reason, he's scum

[Bacde]

AA9 is bluescum, btw

since she doesn't fit into the nacho/fenix/thezmon team I don't think

[Bacde]

OH SNAPS THEZMON IS DEFINITELY SCUM

I CANT SAY WHY BECAUSE THATS CHEATING BUT SUDDENLY IM VERY SURE

[Bacde]

OK WHO WANTS TO TRUST ME ON THIS ONE SERIOUSLY

IF HE FLIPS TOWN THEN LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY NEXT

IF HE FLIPS SCUM THEN LYNCH NACHO IMMEDIATELY NEXT

I'M 100% LETS DO THIS GO GO GO

VOTE: Thezmon

[Bacde]

1) So you're saying your reads haven't changed from D1 to D2 based on night kills?
2)The fuck you mean why not? The scum can take you out at night time or manipulate you in a way during the day to work to their advantage. You just put a big target on your back when you didn't need to.

1) Not especially

2) How I play is my own perogative; scum can make what they want of my claim. Town definitely will after I die

1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.

2) I still can't believe you decided to do such, but we'll leave it as it is.

3) Stop pretending like these questions matter at all, its pretty obvious they don't

Obviously your scumhunting is very different from mine, then.

Ok, why is thezmon trying to heavily imply that I am scum, yet never votes me, doesn't push on me, and later in the post he talks to me as though I'm town?

This entire post is Horseradish

Pass me the Ketchup

[Bacde]

^^By the way that last post isn't why I'm 100% on thezmon being scum

but I think its enough to get him lynched

which will lead to a nacho lynch

trust me on this one guys

Slandaar, I'm looking at you

[Bacde]

AA9 and Hanzo_5(ThAd) are probably the last two remaining blue scum

this game is too easy

[Bacde]

Slandaar you are prone to tunneling on town listen to me man I've got a scumbag here

[Bacde]

Thor nothing I say will ever get you to change your opinion about anything so why don't you just read thezmon's ISO and come to the same conclusion that I have

[Bacde]

@Thor the fact that you are willing to reach out and work with me on this reads to me as very townie, sorry I didn't answer your question? I guess I didn't see it let me find it

Spoiler:

no. what I am saying is that you are using certain words to ascribe an intention that I don't have. that is what I am saying

What intentions am I ascribing to you that you didn't have?
Specifically.

not for that

Okay, so we will move past you making up my voting history in your own head and not react or change our stance in any way.
Meanwhile we will continue to accuse Thor of misrepping us when the only one who has been proven to be using false info is Mollie.
No admission of this will happen.

I thought I did.

Quote the explanation?

okay. or *maybe* you are just scum. *maybe* it really is that simple.

SO...you're just going to ignore the multiple points I noted that suggested what I'm doing is town play and settle for 'but *maybe* you're scum!' as the rebuttal?
If this is a scumtell, shouldn't my answers all be provably false because town wouldn't do what I'm doing?
And if my answers aren't provably false, haven't I just shown how it's not a scumtell?

okay

This is Mollie agreeing with my understanding of the conversation.
Which means she agrees with it.
Which means I am amazed she has previously acted so confused about where we are in the conversation.

2 precludes 1

I agree that those seem futzy too, and called you on them at the time. 3 and 4 are my main concerns though.

I think you should ask the ones you

feel

like I didn't answer, cos I

feel

like I answered them all.

I...did ask them again.
Then you dodged them again.
Why do I need to ask them again a third time?
I *feel* like you dodged them twice so I *feel* like I don't need to ask them again...?

I didn't ignore you in audio mafia what are you even talking about here. one minute you are saying that I WAS ALL OVER YOU and the next you are saying that I ignored you wth

I said I (Thor) was all over you (Mollie)
You did ignore me. Remember when I asked you to explain how me 'changing the order of your actions' was a scumtell on me?
And you dodged and avoided and said 'but I already answered that'?
And then you were scum.
Y'know, kind of *exactly* what is happening here?
Yeah...

I didn't want links I wanted you to restate your questions. and I think I *did* answer your questions you are the one who keeps pushing this dumb agenda. you know who pushes dumb agendas it is scum that is who

You do realize I already provided you links to the dodged questions once already and you responded at that time that you were intentionally dodging those questions - why do you want to answer them now? And the 'I didn't want links, I wanted re-stated questions' answer...seriously? Why? Was I hard to understand the first time through?

except I didn't dodge.

it isn't dodging the questions it is me blatantly avoiding going 1 on 1 with you cos I can't.

Oh, okay, right- you didn't *dodge* you *blatantly avoided*.
Should I start using that instead od 'dodge' now?
Fine, you blatantly avoided my questions, this is different from dodging because...well...um...actualy, both of them result in you not answering the question and acting like it was never asked, so maybe it's just that you didn't do it subtly? I guess that's the difference.
Big whoop.

that it does not qualify as a lie.

How does it not? I asked you to explain that.
This doesn't qualify as explanation.

wrt the bold: there is a disconnect here. I didn't target you in audio for meta reasons, never went after you for them so what in the world are you even talking about

I'm talking about your play in this game.
You are aware, for meta reasons, that I do tunnel as town.
Because you've seen it.
You've been scum and seen it.
It happened TO YOU.
Then, in this game, you claim...Thor wouldn't derp tunnel like this as town!

...so...yeah.

Ok, so far all I'm seeing is you playing as unreadable-Thor, and that throwing everybody else off. I think you tend to twist other people's cases to make them look way worse and scummier than they actually are (and its a skill I know you are good at), so I'm afraid thats what you are doing right now if you read FF as scum.

Because FF is town--just because mollie is town. Mollie is blatantly, obviously, ridiculously town. She has a certain playstyle when she's scum, and I have full confidence that if she was scum RIGHT NOW that she'd be playing to that playstyle.

Can you link me to Audio mafia? I'll tell you if she was playing to her scum meta in that game.

@Bacde - still looking for your take on the exchange with me and FF.
As far as Thez goes, I vaguely like the no vote point, I am not sold by the 'talk to me like I'm town' point, as I don't think he did (yes, I see why you're saying he did, but I think you're reading it weird) and the rest is a 'reason that cannot be explained' which I never sheep, and, frankly, after your histronics with Nacho yesterday, and now a supposed stronger tell on Thez, I am vastly uninterested in doing so today.

And to be quite honest, I'm still just as sure that Nacho is scum. But I fucked that lynch up yesterday and no one is following me anymore, but I KNOW that a thezmon lynch is viable and I KNOW that he is scum partners with nacho. I respect you not following me for the "reason which cannot be explained" (since I just recently got screwed over by OverSoul-scum who did the same thing), but I really am that sure right now.

[Bacde]

You had two good points. I didn't vote because you meta whore and I didn't think he was scum.

I actually don't play by meta

I use a variety of methods to find my scum

but I love how you're gonna keep pushing my case as "meta" because thats the easiest way for you to discredit it

[Bacde]

What kind of posts are you reading? I never implied you're scum. I think you're delusional and useless town.

YES!

Town, I saved you. Thank me later. LOL! this is great

He just literally lied because he can't keep track of his opinions that are displayed in his posts. Lets look at this gem right here:

1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.

This is Thezmon's argument:

1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A

3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A

4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum

Yet he denies it.

Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.

--------

Possible Objections: But you inserted the assumption that town is much less likely to do A! Maybe thezmon doesn't actually think that!

Counter-argument: If thezmon actually doesn't have that assumption, then why did he even include the "You know who does A? Scum do A" part of his post? I can't imagine a town making that statement without the intention of implying that I am scum.

[Bacde]

The next 11 posts should all be votes for thezmon fyi

[Bacde]

The relevant points are as follows;

Thor calls Mollie out on being scummy.
She complains that I'm misrepping her by changing the order of how she did things (I'm not even sure if I did or didn't, to be honest)
I say the order doesn't matter, but explain to me how that's a scumtell.
She says the order does matter.
I ask 'how'?
She says she already answered the question.
I point out that she hasn't.
She tries to act like she has, and keeps dancing around as I try to force her to explain it, even starting up other lies and arguments to prevent having to revist the past.

Sound familiar to...y'know...anything that has happened here today?
Especially with her saying I don't tunnel as town?

Take your time.

hmm

This game is so big, so I believe your take on the story, but can you link me to the relevant posts?

this is interesting

Maybe majiffy was coaching mollie in their QT?

he did try to make it seem like he wasn't reading mollie AT ALL, and he kept emphasizing that

[Bacde]

bc, will probably sheep your vote but I do not want thez speedlynched I would like for fery to be given enough time to get her feet in the game. I waffle on nacho, cureently I am back to scumreading him for a couple of meta reasons other than what I have already said.

oh and speaking of dodging questions I asked thor what he thought about my meta case on nacho and I don't think he responded. pot meet kettle.

also why are you scumreading us cephrir? you had us as town yesterday

thank you, btw I'm not interested in lynching you today I'd much rather get thez and then nacho

[Bacde]

No, not really. I think you're town, though dumb and useless. I always have, and quite possibly will for a while. The fact that I presented an action to you and clearly stated that scum did it was to garner interest from you, as well as to see where your motivations lie since you're stubborn. You see, it's been debated, even here in this thread, that dumb/useless town can be synonymous with scum. It's a gray area, so I'm trying to discern between the two and make sure I am on the correct side of the spectrum.

lol this is a whole lot of words that can basically be summed up to say "oh shit I messed up"

I've gone through the whole "you suck you're useless look elsewhere for scum" song and dance before, it was when I was scum and absta101 was SURE that I was scum. And I said it to absta101

No, its never been debated that "useless town" is synonymous with scum. Also, I'm not useless. I have a scum in my grip and I'm about to squeeze

[Bacde]

But it is meta. Show me it isn't.

"Nacho isn't acting like town-Nacho! He's scum! Nacho is playing useless!"

That's meta, and that's what you're doing.

ok, what about my point of nacho tunneling on OS was shitty (it was objectively shitty, OS was town)

what about my point of nacho having shitty reads?

what about my point of nacho not believing in the pushes that he's been making?

what about my point of how you are clearly nacho's scumbuddy?

these are all in ADDITION to the meta I've got on nacho

and how about how you ADMITTED that I had two good points (see the spoiler appendix)? Why would you admit that I have two good points, and then reduce my case to meta and say that its shitty and that I have no points?

Now I have a question for you: What were the two good points that I made? Since they were obviously not meta if you thought they were good: you clearly think meta is bad.

Appendix

Spoiler:

You had two good points. I didn't vote because you meta whore and I didn't think he was scum.

[Bacde]

^^lol ok Desp

but my other points are good though right?

[Bacde]

Hey nacho I made a case on your scumbuddy address it

[Bacde]

Seriously how is nacho capable of missing my case on thezmon?

[Bacde]

Ok whats going on.

How is it that only the guy who got the butt-end of nacho's second mislynch target from yseterday is the only one who's going to vote for thezmon with me?

[Bacde]

Thor and Nacho becoming "peachy" with one another rubs me the wrong way.

For the first time,

thank you

[Bacde]

I might have been wrong about EddieFenix

which fits Thor into bluescum nicely hmmmm

[Bacde]

What kind of posts are you reading? I never implied you're scum. I think you're delusional and useless town.

YES!

Town, I saved you. Thank me later. LOL! this is great

He just literally lied because he can't keep track of his opinions that are displayed in his posts. Lets look at this gem right here:

1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.

This is Thezmon's argument:

1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A

3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A

4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum

Yet he denies it.

Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.

--------

Possible Objections: But you inserted the assumption that town is much less likely to do A! Maybe thezmon doesn't actually think that!

Counter-argument: If thezmon actually doesn't have that assumption, then why did he even include the "You know who does A? Scum do A" part of his post? I can't imagine a town making that statement without the intention of implying that I am scum.

[Bacde]

Still, we're lynching thezmon

[Bacde]

holy shit this town is retarded

[Bacde]

So why are you not voting this?

Because I have better scumreads

[Bacde]

If we lynch thezmon today I'll stop spamming up this thread

OR

If we lynch ME I'll stop spamming up this thread

I like this

Lets do a Me Vs. Thezmon 1v1

because seriously I don't want to play in this game anymore if you idiots aren't going to sheep me when I've got a scum gasping for air

[Bacde]

Bacde you know I was purposefully making a point voting Ceph.

Don't you?

no dude I don't even understand this post

just fucking lynch me I want to be sheeped or out of this fucking game

I've caught the scum but if you fucking idiots aren't going to listen to the one person who is correct then I'd rather be lynched

don't come crying to me after thezmon/Nacho flip as a team though

[Bacde]

nacho you piece of shit address me in the games we're in together

[Bacde]

NERO CAIN I WANT YOU TO CHANNEL ALL OF YOUR FRUSTRATED ENERGY ABOUT NOT BEING LISTENED TO AS MUCH AS NACHOMAMMA INTO A VOTE FOR THEZMON

[Bacde]

I CANT BELIEVE I LET NACHO SLIP THROUGH MY FINGERS LIKE THAT ON D1

[Bacde]

WE NEED TO LYNCH THEZMON

[Bacde]

THIS IS SERIOUSLY GOING TO BE MY STRATEGY IN THIS GAME UNTIL YOU GUYS START LYNCHING THEZMON

[Bacde]

HE'S CAUGHT SCUM LETS LYNCH THAT FOOL SERIOUSLY TOWN WTF ARE YOU DOING??~?~

THOR IM LOOKING AT YOU TOO, ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SHEEPING NACHO AFTER YOU PROMISED ME YOU'D VOTE FOR THEZMON FOR 24 HOURS?

YOU ARE A BAD PERSON AND I HOPE YOU FEEL BAD FOR THAT

IF IMAKE A PROMISE I KEEP IT BECAUSE IM TOWN DID YOU KNOW THAT?

[Bacde]

What kind of posts are you reading? I never implied you're scum. I think you're delusional and useless town.

YES!

Town, I saved you. Thank me later. LOL! this is great

He just literally lied because he can't keep track of his opinions that are displayed in his posts. Lets look at this gem right here:

1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.

This is Thezmon's argument:

1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A

3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A

4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum

Yet he denies it.

Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.

--------

Possible Objections: But you inserted the assumption that town is much less likely to do A! Maybe thezmon doesn't actually think that!

Counter-argument: If thezmon actually doesn't have that assumption, then why did he even include the "You know who does A? Scum do A" part of his post? I can't imagine a town making that statement without the intention of implying that I am scum.

[Bacde]

VOTE: thezmon