The Fortnight (Game Over)

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Someone want to summarize the first 6 pages?

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I got the same read as TBone on Benmage's shit.

DGB seems pretty stupid too.

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I'm more concerned about the quantity opposed to quality posts. You only have to look at MattP/Kanye little spat to see an example of 100% quantity, 0% quality.

Yeah, they already said that it was setup. You need to pay attention more.

(If not obvious I took the time to read teh thread matt)

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fyi if it wasnt clear the main person i was reaction testing was matt. he passed w. flying colors. and it also gave me 2 or 3 other town reads and made me obv town? id say thats a productive use of the first few pages t-bone. btw, youre not one of the people ive town read.

cuz talking shit is a towntell?

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VOTE: dgb

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^5

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new page fail

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um why am i not on that list?

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He made the list before I asked.

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not really no

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He made the list before I asked.

No, what i meant is that if you have to ask why someone doesn't think you are town, you arent very town.

even more, you wondered aloud why he thinks others are more town than you.

the way i phrased it was what we call sarcasm. it is a method of saying things indirectly when you dont Wowant to yell at them

that last sentence was what we call condesending. its a method of speaking to someonne that you feel wouldnt get the point.

Wow, you do so much with a post, can you tell me how to incorporate all that into my obvious shitpost?

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DrippingGoofball ( 6) BBMolla, MattP, kanyeknowsbest,Cogito Ergo Sum, greygnarl, Venmar <--- One of these people is scum. Really that simple. You're welcome.

My choices are gnarl or Venmar---Venmar's blatantly waggoning, Gnarl's first post of any substance is 'Why DON'T you think I'm town?'

DGB is herself until she starts throwing the scumtells around like candy.

Vote: GreyGnarl

Oh sorry, didn't realize that matt's the only one who can shitpost. Let me go reread the thread and try to act like I know who the scum is.

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VOTE: benmage

Love how he just tosses matt on the townwagon like everyone else.

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Also that entire reads list is dumb, he basically just left a couple people off of matt's list.

And having lots of town reads=/=town.

Scum can afford to say everyone is obvtown and not cast doubt cuz it is only one day.

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VOTE: benmage

Love how he just tosses matt on the townwagon like everyone else.

So you think Benmage and Matt are scum together?

Are you dumb? I think Ben just copied Matt's reads.

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Oversoul WTF are you doing. Ghostlin is trying to play mafia but he just isn't as good as everyone else in this game.

Matt should actually know that so I don't know why he is all upset. Kind of makes him seem scum but everybody seems to read him as town.

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You are voting Ghostlin. Ghostlin's suck reasoning=/=scum because he is not as good at mafia as he thinks he is.

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Matt's 284 reads as bullshit cuz he should know that Ghostlin is trying to scumhunt but doesn't know how to do it.

Not related to your vote.

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I don't think Matt is scum to be honest, Grey

pedit:

actually?

Yeah, just thought I'd throw that out there.

Matt's 284 reads as bullshit cuz he should know that Ghostlin is trying to scumhunt but doesn't know how to do it.

Not related to your vote.

Lol yeah stupidity is acceptable from a stupid person because they're stupid

Mmm good logic you're playing a towny game right now with your proactive statements and opinions

Yes, but he's not jsut going to *get* that he has no clue how to scumhunt. Let him play his game until he realizes that he is completely ineffective at mafhunting. That's how it worked for me.

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I have suspicions on multiple people, but my primary suspicion falls on Ghostlin. I don't understand his attack against Kid A for the pr talk and I don't understand why he is using the word null to describe other players. His opinions seem out of place with how the thread was going as a whole.

Inviting PRs to out themselves does not help town. It doesn't help town for two reasons:

1) Mafia jumping on wagons that involve PRs
2) Mafia fakeclaiming PRs to stay alive.

Even including that speculation doesn't help town and opens up WIFOM. So...what was KidA's reasoning for including it? I see only two motivations for that:

1) He's being a VI somewhat
2) He's scummy

I want him to be able to articulate his reasons so I can make a decision on which it is. I'm amused that the rest of you are somewhat underestimating me.

STFU please. It's obvious from your posts that you don't know what you're doing, but think that you do. You are just going after peoples' actions that look bad based on what you have seen other people call bad.

Look at you reasons for not claiming PRs. Say they are true, would maf want PRs out?

Also, the PR thing is kind of throwaway tbh.

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Last sentence of my post= last paragraph of Oversoul's post.

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ok how the fuck has ghostlin been on the site so long and is playing at the level that I played at a few months ago?

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great

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In case it isn't obvious my scumhunting skills probably line up with Ghostlin's. I actually know where they are on the spectrum though and that is why I limit myself to observations hoping that someone else might realize that A or B that I point out is scummy.

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who the fuck is greygnarl and why is he stealing my schtick?

um what?

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so dgb doesn't know what multiquote is, good to know.

Kid A is looking more and more town after that exchange with molla.

Not sure if I buy Tbone's reasoning for calling molla scum, but it makes sense. I've been too quick to jump on things like that in the past though.

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Please get off of Oversoul. I'm pretty sure bouncing between mastermind dick and lost puppy is a towntell.

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how do you have a read on Venmar?

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Umm, doesn't that count as magically appearing? I mean in the spaces of 2 hours CES appeared.

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UNVOTE:

On page 22 atm, ben's page 20 is really town.

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VOTE: dgb

Pretty sure at least one of DGB Tbone is scum. Might be both.

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OHH I'm going to be the one most accused? Doubtful? 1-or 2 people thinking I'm mindfucking them and let the paranoia slide in.. sure.. but majority, I'd like to think not.

This post is just not gonna come from scum. Plus, the rest just compounds upon that.

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Cuz that is how it reads to me. It's not exactly gut, but kind of.

@everyone, I also do not understand venmar town.

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GIF is such a dumb vote, voting players that HAVENT EVEN POSTED YET isnt cute or effective, if he doesnt post then he'll be replace, there is obviously some sort of deadline

How come you didn't bring this up before?

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cuz he was reaction testing you.

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wtf pedit fail?

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Oh. Btw just gonna throw this here.
Quilford's RQS is terrible and I see no purpose behind it.

R is for random.

ran·dom (rndm)
adj.

1. Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective: random movements.

See Synonyms at chance.
2. Mathematics & Statistics Of or relating to a type of circumstance or event that is described by a probability distribution.
3. Of or relating to an event in which all outcomes are equally likely, as in the testing of a blood sample for the presence of a substance.

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yeah great point.

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VOTE: dgb

Pretty sure at least one of DGB Tbone is scum. Might be both.

Why is this? Elaborate.

DGB for reasons stated by others. TBone seems to be the only person who tries to make every post matter. That's making my gut go all weird.

thankyou.

your welcome.

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Also, kanye I know you're reaction testing me so it's not working cuz I'm aware of that when I'm posting.

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Great job Venmar.

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Also, kanye I know you're reaction testing me so it's not working cuz I'm aware of that when I'm posting.

dunno what gave u that impression.

No, it's a bit too hard to figure out why I thought kanye and matt voting someone without giving reasoning was a reaction test.

pedit: How is being self-aware scum? Am I supposed to pretend that I am not aware and try to pass the reaction test?

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Kuribo is obviously town quil his calmness is actually reason to be comfortable with that

Also ghostlin I don't like you're demoting a wagon on someone that just had a panic attack because of three votes on hin

Is that supposed to be me?

Also, GIF that thing about Tbone being threatened makes absolutely zero sense.

Not really getting any scum vibes from the last few pages, but that thing about kanyescum made sense, except matt trusts him and I'm probably down on him cuz he voted me.

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Stop saying bluffing and maybe I can take you seriously, but that is still bad logic.

VOTE: CES

Clearly taking advantage of the fact that everyone says he is hard to read.

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kanye how confident are you that you can read matt?

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VOTE: Venmar

I can see him and Overosoul or him and DGB being a team.

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VOTE: Venmar

I can see him and Overosoul or him and DGB being a team.

The OMGUS is strong in this one.

DIE DIE DIE

Yeah defnitely, or it oculd be the fact that you basically have no reads of your own.

@Matt The vote on CES obviously accomplished nothing.

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OMG the fact that GG and Ghostlin are being ignored at this point given GG's response to his wagon and then asking his question in 762 and then immediately voting Venmar and going on a completely different conspiracy theory, as well as Ghostlin's hilarious shit of a 763 post as well as his OS post is

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First off there isn't a wagon on me. Next, I asked a question in 762 and I'm still waiting for an answer; I think you're town but I'm not as sure as everyone else. As for the Venmar thing, I'm prettys ure that if he is scum it's gonna be his buddy who flees, and those to look pretty bad. Unless Oversoul is town like I thought but apparently everyone else thinks he is scum.

Also, if you think that I set up that abuse of Ghostlin in a scum QT then that is retarded.

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I didn't say all my reads I only said the Oversoul one.

Venmar is playing p shitty though.

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Also I'm p sure it's proven that kanye always reads you as town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... it=barkley

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I actively try to look like I am not worried about votes on me as both alignments so that is null.

pedit: cuz of the fact that someone said dgb is distracting and gonna flee and Venmar is playing the sheep game.

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hi

In case it isn't obvious my scumhunting skills probably line up with Ghostlin's. I actually know where they are on the spectrum though and that is why I limit myself to observations hoping that someone else might realize that A or B that I point out is scummy.

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I feel like she could be distracting, but only cuz someone else said it.

As for the not being concerned thing, it's because whenever I get votes I am aware of it and can't play the game without deciding to either address it or ignore it.

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^see right there is where I was trying to actively look like I didn't care.

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VOTE: Venmar

I can see him and Overosoul or him and DGB being a team.

Explain to me why you voted venmar?

Because that's generally how OS plays.

I think OS's play is too stubborn and hardheaded to be coming from a scum mentality. He is pushing very visually absurd things, like some of his questions, which in full honesty I don't see scum doing in hopes of getting anything accomplished.

Greygnarl, on the other hand, is actually scummy. Revealing a possible reaction test and openly saying that you didn't fall for it is really scummy. He admits to simply wagoning DGB off of what others said about her ( a question he momentarily tried to dodge ), and something about #631 is off.

This post made me feel like he could be the one who OS is trying to distract from if he is scum, but after thinking about it, I'm kind of feeling like they would've had Venmar pretend OS didn't exist though.

pedit: yes kuribo

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Yes, but only because it occurred to me that I had to do that while I was trying to avoid looking like I was flailing.

it's because whenever I get votes I am aware of it and can't play the game without deciding to either address it or ignore it.

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Yes, but only because it occurred to me that I had to do that while I was trying to avoid looking like I was flailing.

it's because whenever I get votes I am aware of it and can't play the game without deciding to either address it or ignore it.

@mod only the second part of this is suppsoed to be a quote.

Onto other stuff:

Or I could be telling you guys exactly why I do stuff to try to show that I'm town fucking up.

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Also, the thing where townies shouldn't have to try to look town cuz doing what they are doing should make them look town doesn't work for me.

Even as VT I cannot play the game without wondering how people will perceive what I write.

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Which is why I'm fucked.

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ghostlin it's a known fact that not reading the thread is not alignment indicative.

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protown=/=scum

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protown=/=scum

antitown=/=scum

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VOTE: Jacob

That's all you have after lurking for 5 pages?

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You SERIOUSLY don't think scum would try to pull that off nonchalantly because it looks SO brazen it HAS to be town, benmage
Like seriously

I'm not saying scum couldnt... I'm saying greygnarl couldn't.

p sure I did this as scum before, though it might have been as town.

Also Matt for your scenario to be true I have to be really good scum, or Ghostlin has to be coaching me.

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Either TBone hasn't realized the setup yet or he is scum.

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Why are you pushing a lynch on people for sucking when we only have one lynch?

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Alright, I'm back. Been reading this last hour and am all caught up.

I'm willing to vote Kid A, but I'd like him to give an paragraph on each player first.

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If you think dgb is the other scum

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but I'd like him to give an paragraph on each player first.

Why?

If you think dgb is the other scum

What? I wasn't asking you anything, I was talking to KKB

1. Cuz right now he is just parroting other players, and I want to have something to go off of if he flips scum. After typing that just realized why that doesn't matter.

2. That's what kanye asked you: Do you think DGB is the buddy?

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VOTE: Kid A

Ignore Jacob plz ty.

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My only strong read right now is Benmage town. I can't say anyone is really standing out as scum, except for Kid A atm. Venmar looks better.

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CES seems town after that brief post, but I don't have any experience with him except for one game where he led a crusade against my partner and won town the game.

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DGB, I'm not following your questioning of Oversoul, are you saying that he called someone scum For saying that someone was playing dumb earlier? I'm pretty sure that's a null tell.

@TBone, just stating that I have a solid read on Ben. Everyone else I am unsure of.

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P sure that jacob is town just flustered by kanye

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Matt, how do you go from so sure Kid A is scum to voting someone else. You are not very focused this game.

(Or maybe Kid A and I are playing so shitty that you keep bouncing back and forth.)

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But if the latter is true then you need to work on your focus and not starting wagons o people for playing bad.

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Matt, how do you go from so sure Kid A is scum to voting someone else. You are not very focused this game.

(Or maybe Kid A and I are playing so shitty that you keep bouncing back and forth.)

I shouldn't answer for MattP but the nature of the game is that ideally, we need to have multiple wagons that do not lead to a lynch, and after our main suspects have been examined under flail conditions, we can judge their reactions, and then we'll settle on a lynch.

Yes, but I kind of don't get the feeling that that's what MAtt is doing, he actually wants the lynch. But then again he warned everyone not to put Kid at L-1.

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Please everyone notice Greygnarl has been using the card "I suck" after every scumt thing he does. Everything he does is scummy. HIs card is up

Thanks, cuz when I explain what I do you lay into me for being to self-aware.

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JS & OS scumteam?

More like JS & GG.

@GG: any reason that you told us to ignore JS?

Oh my god replace out. Read my posts on Ghostlin and you will know.

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P sure that jacob is town just flustered by kanye

SHOW ME A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF JACOBSAVAGE BEING FLUSTERED SO THAT I DONT VOTE YOUR MOTHERFUCKING ASS RIGHT NOW FOR THAT POST

The part where he gives his reads list and then tries to play it cool when kanye pressures him.

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P sure that jacob is town just flustered by kanye

SHOW ME A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF JACOBSAVAGE BEING FLUSTERED SO THAT I DONT VOTE YOUR MOTHERFUCKING ASS RIGHT NOW FOR THAT POST

The part where he gives his reads list and then tries to play it cool when kanye pressures him.

So you're saying that he was flustered but trying to hide it?

yes

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No cuz that's what I do/did when I'm town and people vote me.

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VOTE: OS

JS/OS team?

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I've been busy.

I need sleep, I might think of something insightful to say overnight.

It probably won't be though.

Come on. This IS scum.

Yes, he just said that he lurks because it is bad to post a lot (or something like that). Now he is busy. The flop onto OS is because look at how he tries to discredit the whole JS scum case without committing to it.

VOTE: Jacob
His wagon is bigger.

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Benmage is so obvtown it hurts. Venmar is also looking pretty town, and I feel good about dgb and Matt. kuribo has posted a lot but for some reason I haven't really considered the possibility of him being scum. I guess he's town. I thought OS was town before, but if Jacob is scum then OS is the buddy.

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I kind of don't like how GIF has sort of slipped udner the radar since DGB decided to go after other lurkers. His post @ me kind of reeked of newbtown though.

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The only difference is your clothes...

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I actually looked at both mouths cuz the new one looked weird and I thought they were the same.

Anyway, back to the game.

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Cuz Oversoul's post made me think they were a scunteam.

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@kuribo Before I thought he was being pressured for the wrong reasons, and stretched that into town. But he was never conftown, and that psot just made me go ding ding ding, so basically yes.

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kuribo can you list your problems/thigns youw ant me to answer and I will address them all.

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kuribo can you list your problems/thigns youw ant me to answer and I will address them all.

* Your sudden flip flop on Oversoul- you criticized DGB for questioning him, now you think he's scum based on one post. BUT, in post #796, you said you thought Venmar was scum with OS. You did not place your vote on either.

All I can say is that yes, it was a sudden flipflop

* Your sudden flip flop on JS- you were "pretty sure" he was town and flustered by kanye, you even said to leave him alone. But now you think he's scum with OS. mmhmm.

Same thing, that one post, plus me rereading the part where he was posting in other games and stuff made me flipflop. Also, scum

can be flustered.

* Your assumption that the votes on you are for "playing badly" reads like "scum caught for the wrong reason"

Well if I'm town then I have to be playing badly to be a universal scumread.

* At one point you claimed your ONLY solid read was Benmage-town. How the fuck is that possible? After all of the activity in the thread at the time, THAT'S your only strong read?

That was after I missed a day and 7 pages of the game, and when I reread, the only thing that stood out to me was that Ben has to be town.

* You refuse to give reads despite the fact that it's been pointed out many times that this day is our best shot at gathering reads on people

When did I refuse to give reads? I'll give a read on everybody next post.

* Your reads are pretty much follow-the-leader anyway

I already addressed that I am not good at scumhunting, and so most of my game

is

follow the leader.

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The italics were suppsoed to only be on can. I'm not saying I thought he was scum at that point, I was saying that his flusteredness made reading him as scum for that post wrong.

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BBMolla - Solid Town, just the way he is posting
Benmage - Solid Town, some really townie posts
Cogito Ergo Sum - Null, uggh
DrippingGoofball - Leaning Town, seems to be playing good, but also is very tunnelly
Ghostlin - Solid Town, read my defense of him when he first started posting
GuyInFreezer - Null, no content
JacobSavage - Leaning scum, very lurky and doesn't address anything directed at him (his resposnes do not address the concerns)
Kanyeknowsbest - Null, probably town, but hasn't done anything really obvtown yet
Kid A - Leaning scum, he's playing a lot like I'd expect a scum to, but I haven't focused on him in a while
kuribo - Solid Town, has done nothing all game to make me think he could be scum
MattP - Solid Town, I'm paranoid about him as usual, but he's playing really townie (what with the L-1 is actually L-0)
Oversoul - Leaning Scum, he's playing really weird, and his ignore Jacob posts set me off.
Quilford - Null, haven't gotten any scum vibes, but if he' scum he's playing it well
T-Bone - Leaning town, his play has been solid, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is scum.
Venmar - Leaning town, haven't conisdered him in a while, but his recent posts are pretty town

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Oversoul - Leaning Scum, he's playing really weird, and his ignore Jacob posts set me off.

How am I ignoring Jacob?
I'm pretty sure I called him town when DGB made that reads list.

I still think he is town.

strawman ho!

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I was referring to this post. You did not explicitly say to ignore Jacob, you just kind of tried to get everybody to move past him, without committing to a defense.

That's Jacob for you. It is alignment null

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That was me saying that DGB's point that Jacob "lurking" was scum when in reality it wasn't. It is null for him.

Yes, and that is why I think you and Jacob are a possible scumteam. You haven't tried to defend people attacking Jacob for lurking except for that one post, where you basically try to derail his wagon.

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Alright, just caught up. I guess I was wrong about Ben.

I think I'll be accusing T-Bone at this point. Doesn't the fact that zor left him votable mean he doesn't want to ruin the game? Or does he need to keep balance? I don't think one less townie to misaccuse and one less accusal to avoid is unfair to scum.

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Also, at the point where Ben started posting emoticons, what was happening? On phone and can't check.

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My wager is wavering between pretty much everybody except kuribo, Ghostlin, and Venmar at this point. Pretty sure I'm gonna lose.

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Also if someone says "gg showed up right when venmar siad he accused him" then fuck you. I have life to attend to.

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VOTE: end game

Kid A is getting my vote.

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End it please CES.

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venmar and gif boths aid they are targetting me

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fuck you matt I am voting you now

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p sure you're actually voting me

I want to vote dgb

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i am voting matt i'm not a liar like him

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He means if we all coordinated I think.

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I'm already on MattP and he already voted to end the game.

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unvoting mattp cuz I'm pretty sure he's actually not scum not sure who i want but i think dgb is town too

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Very fun, and proves I cannot read good players for shit. Oh well.

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5/16/2013 17:41:04 MattP Gasbag MattP

This was me accusing Matt and failing.