NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

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/confirm

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ok just got post from mod, that was actually a prod didnt know game started, catching up now.

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I'll vig your prick, and im still catching up. I don't have alot of time due to work so im a little over half way through right now.

Someone ask me something to get my dick juices in the game.

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LOL. Someone says have Seanald as a vig pick and he appears.

because im here trying to catch up in the game. So by your opinion anyone who mentions Vigging me I should just lurk that shit out right?

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Redryu in junction with being passive to the bulb/hd-OM argument

not sure I understand this question, wasn't everyone being passive because their arguement was annoying as hell and everyone just told them to shut up? or has this arguement been going on since pages 20-29 cuz I havn't read the 20's yet.

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I think arcangel is a strong town read for me right now, this is based mainly on Meta and it's relation to this game.

I have a soft spot for Oversoul cuz of 90's mafia so my heart says town but my mind is still leary.

Om is null to me, ive seen him do that stupid shit before and it hasn't really been alignment indicative to me.

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Any gut feels of reads or anything.

I feel an overwhelming compulsion to follow the flowchart.....

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Any gut feels of reads or anything.

I feel an overwhelming compulsion to follow the flowchart.....

and I have a town read on crash Text Dummie for the way he explained and handled the massclaim thing in the beginning pages there.

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I want to hear from Nacho before I follow the tomatos, and damn your tomatoes look good man.

also, never seen you town post this hard mala, its like not even a question.

@Mac, I'd like to know what you think of this game so far, you've been skirting this shit too long, pipe up sonny.

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So wait why'd you unvote nacho B&B if you were hung ho for his death earlier?

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you didn't start off cranky.

I would say you got more aggravated as the game progressed rather than just flat out cranky

you have been cranky this entire game.

I am trying to determine if it is a legitimate relative tell for you

what? lol

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The feeling I got is that Bacde sensed weakness in Nacho and wanted to lynch him simply because it looked feasible. It's like he's running a bet on whether he can D1-lynch him and tried to strongarm it with a kind of bravado I've seen from confident scum playing with people they're very familiar with before. That he's now easing up, "settling" for a Nacho-vig instead, fits with this: Nacho came back, started effort-posting and doesn't look like such a feasible lynch anymore. I strongly question the legitimacy of his Nacho scum read to begin with.

eh didnt think of that before, that is a good point, do you think it applys specifically to Bacde? cuz I have been town reading him up to this point.

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or is that what you were saying by that whole post? or just as a general possibility?

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That's rather silly - she's talking about two different games.
Why the misrep?

didn't know, thought she was talking about the same game here, thats why i commented on it.

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@Fuzzy

Do you have College finals or some shit? and why is your play here literally 180 degrees different than the last game i played with you.

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VOTE: Nacho
I've decided im willing to follow you bacde

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Seanald, thoughts on Cephrir? thoughts on anything really, your presence in this game is minimal and you're easy to forget, which is something I don't like.

~Mara

I agree with syrana's & your posts about him pretty much and would be willing to put a vote on him.
and I am town reading syrana usually what happens when someone makes a huge wall post like syr did, as scum it would be a shit ton of IIOA usually but I didn't really get that from syr, and he has been following up after that post, where alot of times scum will make a big post like that then try to skirt by, I feel syr is actively trying to get involved and figure shit out. He's town mon.

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VOTE: Nacho
Cephrir tomorrow please, whether we're alive or not.

I can agree to that, and I doubt you'll die too many people dont like you, I guess maybe thats also why you might die to but I doubt it.

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In post 1674, Bacde wrote:I'm clawing for reasons to unvote you and vote for desperado you know

I'd so much prefer it for both of us to be town and I want to believe

but you aren't helping me here

you feel like scum to me love

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

WOAH.

What happened to you being super convinced that Nacho was scum? Like, seemingly 100% convinced? But at its height you decide you want to go another way?

He's getting a chubby for nacho is what is happening, ive been seeing it in his eyes, he keeps looking across the room staring at Nacho's ass.

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hang in there pal, its always darkest before the dawn, besides I still believe in your earlier points about Nacho.

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Original image that was supposed to go with that post above.

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Seanald I appreciate the moral support but the way you are doing it looks really scummy fyi,

Ok this doesn't really have anything to do with the current game, but Why does it come across as scummy, cuz I do this every game Im in and I always get called scum for it regardless of alignment and it confuses me every time. so some clarification for me would go along way for me.


Also @Syr / Desperado, I understand the reasoning behind AA9 votes but i was in a mini-theme game with her where she was scum and she OMG'sed everyone and kicked and screamed, where you guys are saying thats what she does as town?

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Mollie is the paranoid one on you and Bacde

mollie being paranoid = her making really shitty lynch decisions, so tell her to stop

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Except scum's objective is to get mislynches, which means they are not going into it with preconceived conclusions, since they already know the other person's alignment and don't have to try to guess it. It is only confirmation bias if that person does not know the other one's alignment and then proceeds to fit evidence to a preconceived conclusion. That's the difference. If you believe someone to be scum, you don't say that they are suffering from confirmation bias, because that would be impossible. The only way you say that is if you believe the person doing the tunneling is town. Therefore, you saying that Nacho is suffering from confirmation bias belies a belief or knowledge that he's town, and the only faction that would have such alignment knowledge would be scum. Appearance has nothing to do with it. This has to do with the way YOU are reading the game, and you have displayed foreknowledge of Nacho's alignment being town, which means you are scum and scumslipped.

Scumslips don't exist 9 out of 10 times and I think your reaching pretty bad.

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what part of it convinced you syr? some of it doesn't read like someone who just got rolled over.

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I made a nuanced play on your mom and there ended up being some major game shifts later that night.

On phone right now at work, I'll get to your question syr in a bit

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Oversoul

Le't do this.

Le't do this.

VOTE: Oversoul

Vote: Oversoul

K.

Unvote, Vote: Oversoul

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

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I have a boner watching jiffy play. thought i'd throw that out there, i know im not the only one.

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WTF?

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

tomorrow, we get scum.

~Mara

thats generally the objective, sorry but this post came off as fake as mollie's tits. ohhhhh woulda been a good burn but I don't think the end of that statement is true.

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Good, I look forward to both of you leaving and being replaced by players that actually

want to play the game

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No you're pretty much just being insufferable. You called me a fucking dolt because I misinterpreted something that you said. What's more likely...that you're being such a dick that multiple people have replaced out/have threatened to do so solely because of your attitude, or you're right and they're just pussies?

Looking at it from the outside, I'd say yeah your all pussies

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Damn Thor and Kublai epic disscush.

Have some things to think about now.

I'm also curious am I the only one suspicious of the Om hydra?

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Ok So there has been a lot of talk about Red Ryu and shit, and who his partner/partners is which I get, and the talk has mostly just been a bunch of bacde and bulba tripping over each other's penises as they run around a bush.

But I feel like we are forgetting about Syr. Why the hell him? was it really a random kill? which i Don't believe or was scum actually afraid of syr's reads?

Alrighty, catch up time. Let's do this.

Spoiler: My notes, read at your own risk

Fuck reading pregame
Massclaim? In a normal? Wut. #203
Claim on page 1. new record. Informed townie? wtf? Informed scum maybe. #204
Good call, Nacho. #206
Informed scum at least knows why we shouldn't be massclaiming day 1. #207
Nacho wins cake #213
Holy shit #214, contradicts himself in same post.
lolAAscumlol #217
dat scumhunting AA #227
Scum claim VT or vig or *insert bullshit role here*, then start killing power roles, ya no massclaim #230
Self-deprecating Desperado, IGMEOU #236
Def lynching AA too #239 and #246 AND #252, I'm not reading her posts anymore
I like Bulba for town #253
OS is not #263
Maybe I'll go back and read pre-game later to verify these readslists #279
Eyeballin Desp hard #282
"Everyone who massclaims is scum" lololololol #283
I need more eyeballs to watch Desp with #289
Eyeballs on Slandaar too #291
B&B pointing out flaws in HD's argument, +1 #295
THANK YOU, SLANDAAR. Now explain your scumreads and I won't have to eyeball you anymore #296
Why is Oversoul town? Why is Nacho a weak scumread? HOW ON EARTH IS AA WITHIN LIGHTYEARS OF YOUR TOWNLIST #300
Yes #303
No, stahp it Nacho #304
Wait, scum don't have day-talk? How you know this AD? #306
Nacho, why you being dense brah #308
I don't understand why HD has such a hardon for the buddying thing between Majiffy and Thor, why is it surprising when flowchart people buddy #313
Nacho, how does massclaim get us free scum? #314
Irony #315
Me and Mala can be friends, at least until Mara comes back #317
Reading my mind, B&B #318
No it doesn't, Slandaar-scum does the same shit #322
Must see if Nacho elaborates on these mollie-towntells #329
<3 Mala #331
Jiffy just Jiffied Ceph #340
lol Slandaar #345
Ryu thinks Oversoul isn't scummy, huehuehuehue #349
You tell him Nacho #350
+1 for not wanting to massclaim, -1 for giving Majiffy +1 #357
Fuzzy is providing major content, fuzzy -50 #361
Back and forth between HD and Jiffy getting interesting #360s
Strawman = involves mischaracterizing your opponent's position in order to present a weaker argument than they have actually given, thereby allowing you to defeat it. Good to know.
fuzzy wuzzy was a bear, fuzzy wuzzy had no hair, fuzzy wuzzy is a scummy fuzzy #381
Wow, Cephrir repeating shit people have already said, awesome #398
Agree with you 100% Red #416
Why Nacho? #417
Nero is being obnoxious #418
The fuck? #421 Maybe he's town after all, fuzzy scum usually has to try harder to come up with something that ridiculous
Bad Red, bad #423
Good bacde, good #427
Why you not voting fenix then, Mala? #428
Um, cause he's posting now? #437
Congratulations fenix, you just described Jiffy's normal play as a scumtell #448
Insinuations by Red, think he's reaching a bit #461
Uhhhh #466
Red, you do realize the case against OS is greater than just his claim rite #468
Very yes, Nero #472
Nachomamma, stickin it to the man since 2009 #473
Slandaar tunneling Bulba, interesting #479
Don't like Mac #481
Agree with DLG 100% on AA #494, not so hot on him wanting Nacho to repeat himself wrt Oversoul #493
Slandaar is scum #504
Back and forth between OS and Desp is fake as fuck #513-522
Nero is town #523
Mala's town too #525
HD still tunnelin #531
At least I agree with him on ryu #534
Desp is finally doing something #539
Bulba is town too #540
Slandaar actually doing something, mayhaps he's not scum after all #541
Oversoul needs to die #555
rofl bacde #566
Hey, CTD's back #594
Nacho/Nero repartee is weird #600s
And Mara comes in and messes my Mala read up (as usual, <3 Mara), those are terrible reasons to vote Nacho #626
Yerp, Ceph is scum #639
Hay Bulb, stop bein fluffy #640
Om is still useless #649
"I plan to lurk, guys" #650
And Bulba agrees #651
Ceph calling CTD town via CTD's self-meta, lulz #655
First thing Ceph has said I agree with #660
Liking Slandaar better now #663

All right. All caught up now. Reads list(in no particular order), based off above notes:

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Nacho B&B Nero Fuzzy	AK Bulb Slandaar Bacde	Everyone else	CTD Mac Desperado Red Ryu	Oversoul Om the Destroyer Cephrir

I'll give explanations on the reads to whoever wants them. Or you can trawl through my notes (only for the daring, you've been warned). Voting later, people are yelling at me it's time to go, catch ya'll later!

This was the scummy side of Syr's second reads table, I dont know how to copy paste tables seperately from the post it self so i just rewrote his reads.

Null: Om/Bulb Null-Scum: mac, Bacde, baby spice Scum: Eddie, aa9, red ryu, cephrir, desp, oversoul


Brief description of scum reads:
OS has admitted he lied about his role and I don't buy his reaction test BS. May reevaluate depending on what he got from said test (if it's damn convincing). Red's misrepping the hell out of Nacho and charging really hard to get Nacho lynched on said misreps. AA9 is not playing her town game (I'll elaborate more on this later). I don't think I've seen a single post from Eddie I liked. Ceph scumread came from repeating points already made in #398, his #639 was blatantly awful, calling CTD town from CTD's self meta in #665.

Oh, and VOTE: Red Ryu

so just based off of Syr's reads, Desp,Red, and AA9(based on his comment) are switched into the scum pile. and baby spice and bacde join the null to scum pile.
theres more to read based off of syrs reads switching but I honestly can't keep it all in my head.

after isoing Syr I can believe that Red killed syr, but if he did why did his team let him? at that point Red was a pretty good bussing option so why kill a person gunning for his death? unless Syr's reads were just retardedly accurate and the scum team got scared of him.

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man my thoughts are always more coherent than what I end up typing out.

anyway,, I want to hear peoples opinions, on Why Syr?

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ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him? not like Syr was a major player capable of forming a lynch on ryu to go through, and again Ryu was a pretty good bussing option, so why try and eliminate people who scum read him?

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Who do you think is scum based off of Syryana's reads?

sorry for taking so long to get back to this, or even in the game. real life is kicking my ass.

anyway, Cephir would be the top one, I didn't notice too much interaction between him and red ryu day 1, but coming into the beginning of day 2, Cephir exclusively focuses on who Red Ryu's partners would be, I think this is an obvious and easy tactic for scum to try and use, and inadvertently or oppositely gives all the "red Ryu interaction" one needs to form a read on who his partner could be. So with Syrana scum reading Red hard, as well as Cephir hard and no one scum reading Syr, I think we got another member of blue here.

VOTE: Cephrir


catching up now, still got a few pages to go.

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^ Bi polar

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Bacde where does cephrir fall into all this for you?

Also since desperado mentioned the neighborhood, I'm the other neighbor.
Desperado hasn't given me any reason to think he is scum in our qt although our Qt is pretty short.
There is also some interesting flavor behind it, I'll paraphrase it if we think it might be prudent.

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I agree sland, can't stand people that think scum slips exist, or try to create them or insist something is there when it's not. Kinda like neros blatant lie about the hammer that didn't happen, seemed like he was trying o stir shit up.
That clearly wasn't a slip it's just the wording of his sentence.

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Which is exactly that I said about Oversould and nobody believed me. I said Red Ryu is scum which was pretty much ignored by everyone.
And who are you calling Horribad?? Get a life you punk!!! Huh!!

Still awarded no town points, and I find it's more likely scum who says these types of things in some hope to gain easy town points somehow.

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UNVOTE: Cephrir

VOTE: Thez

Let it be done

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Finish him fulli none no more of your silly questions

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VOTE: Rena

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up for a cephrir wagon as well if anyone wants to get that bitch rollin back up

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UNVOTE: rena
town to the bowwown

VOTE: Cephrir

ill admit im having trouble keeping up, but im still in the game baby, and caught up.

I still find cephrir scummy from the previous day, and he's still playing pretty much the same in this day.

and corrrect me if im wrong, but pere and thad are the neighbors with supposedly the same win condition right? or am i mixing peoples names up?

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I'm pretty sure everyone has an interest in removing that nightkill from the game.

Yes but only redscum has an interest in prioritizing another lynch over AK solely because they probably aren't bluescum.

exactly why my vote is still on cephrir, too much fascination with blue team.

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man you're fuckin annoying AK

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"braces my self for the inevitable AK lash out, here we go."

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UNVOTE: ceph

VOTE: AK

yeah sorry I just can't stand cry babies.

I mean I get the feeling that what your doing now is very frustrated town flailing but, your just too annoying for me right now, if you can calm down and start doing things logically I'll probably take this vote off.

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UNVOTE: AK

the vote wasn't personal AK, i just have a self-made zero tolerance rule for people freaking out, its just unnecessary, but you've explained your self well and back in mah town reads.

Desp I understand your case on me, but I honestly thinking your reaching for connections, you could probably go through the whole player list and do exactly what you did on me to everyone else, or even make the arguement that those without any interactions with bluescum what so ever are most likely blue scum, its all just not very concrete.

I was also surprised to see this case just randomly pop up from you, after you were saying I was likely town. maybe saying that spurred you to Iso me and take a second look which I can see, but considering your my neighbor I'd rather us work together on things,

so what questions do you want answered from me? or how can we work this out together because your a pretty concrete town read for me and I don't want to see the extra communication we get go to waste, even though we've probably been wasting it up to this point lol.

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Ok still here, I had to get a new network adapter I couldn't connect to the Internet for a few days. Been trying read through my phone but it's so clumsy. I'll be dedicating to catch back up and put some effort it.

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My thoughts from the vote history:
Red Ryu was either killed because Red Mafia was looking to kill Blue Mafia, or Red Mafia wanted to get rid of a strong townie.
The fact that his wagon got to 6(?) votes at one point means he couldn't have been too townie, so he was probably killed while being scumhunted by Red Mafia.

Since I think that rather than waste thier kill on the Blue mafia team if they can help it, Red Mafia would first try, in some way shape or form, to lynch Blue mafia if they can.

This means, common sense-wise, one of the following is

Red Mafia

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Bulbazak
penguin_alien
Kublai Khan
Human Destroyer
ArcAngel9

and out of this you somehow don't think Ceph can be in there? considering all his day 2 actions?

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Idk peregrine I've only been voting him the past two days

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You really shouldn't act so eager arc, cuz you just sound like you dont actually give a shit about who dies just as long as someone dies.

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Ok. Explain to me desp how that's sooo condemning then. Its not a wrong statement

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Are you saying that townies should not show any enthusiasm in their pursuit of scum or what?

obviously not, but I do find Arc to be a lynch monger because she is bored.

I guess I'm just confused by some of the votes on me as well. I havn't heard very many reasons except yours desp for me being scum, what is also curious is that most of the posts that have a vote on me, ends up talking about someone else for the majority of it. I wish people would just come out and say they are sheeping you desp.

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you started accusing me and calling me scum....

nooooo, i still think your town, I just think you get bored easily and just want shit to happen which is going hinder the idea that you have any town motivation.

which I know of because I suffer from the same, hence the current situation I am in.

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So your'e saying that others are giving lame reasons

not lame reasons, no reasons, plus the majority of the content in the voting posts arn't even about me. You don't find that curious at all arc? put aside your blood thirst for a moment and analyze that.

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Cephirr is far more scummy than you're...but unfortunately nobody seem to notice that.

well at least we agree on something.

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Backpedaling, weak push on another player ("Lynch them instead"), and scum flail.

you do realize none of that was in my post right?

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I do, they've also been following each others votes which is my main reason for thinking that.

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and I agree with Slandaar's points on bulb as well.

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lol just no

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and considering you just blatantly misreped the entire situation between me and arc, Im joining your wagon.

VOTE: Bulb

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Why didn't you join any of the wagons yesterday penguin, your entire play yesterday boiled down to just posturing.

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VOTE: Bulba It's just all to incredibly forced, the walls, the buzzwords, and the painfully forced reasoning. It just isn't real it's scum.

and considering I still have a strong scum read on Cephrir, I believe cephrir was totally trying to save his buddy at the end of yesterday there, basically begging for votes to be moved off bulba.

The suggestion is, then, that Bulb has scumslipped the knowledge that there aren't 4 scum neighbors out of 6 neighbors, in a normal game...
Get real.

Hi Bulbas buddy.

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thanks dude, maybe your not scum after all.

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desperado's last post all but sealed it for me.

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Serious question: How isn't Bulba hammered already?

scum buddies don wanna bus dude.

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ThAdmiral - 1 (Baezu)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

kind of all over the place there.

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at least one floating around elsewhere.

? theres only two wagons.

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So, you think Nacho's attack on me has nothing to do with anything, right?

ok, in a concrete answer what do you think it is? cuz all im getting from your posts, is that your thinking nacho is buddies with rena.

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well you're not very clear with what you are trying to get across

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Flash Ahh-AHHHHHHH!

savior of the flash wagon!

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ok, I have 1 question, why is it that all the vote switchers came from Rena's wagon?

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not a single one from bulba's wagon left, but almost the entirety of REna's wagon left it.

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talk about scum buddies don wanna buss. Ceph would be my first choice in that, penguin would be next, I think he can do a decent job of sounding town and all but he's in a background position and postures his way around nicely, scummy in my eyes.

I have town reads on Fullis, desperado,

nacho keeps me on my toes but I town read him for the most part.

and fuck it I'll just claim this bitch up.

Im a doctor I can protect a person once a night.

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not talking about rena obviously

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So need colors (red or blue) for your two scumreads, then need more, since we have a flip of two blue right now.

And who you protected nights 1-3.

Red, Duh

Bacde night 1

Fullisade, nights 2 and 3