NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Oversoul · Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:39 am

In post 1647, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why aren't you putting that much effort into this game specifically?

I don't know really. My other games seem more interesting than this one in all honesty.
Mainly the people in this one I would have to say... They aren't conducive to a "fun" atmosphere.

Normally I like playing with Thor but he has been kinda AWOL on it. There isn't enough cheekiness going on and I just get a bad vibe from the game as a whole.

So it basically boils down to... I don't think this game is as fun as my others.
I have like 2 probably ending within a couple of days so I'll have more time to devote to this one but for now, it is the backburner

I kinda don't want to lynch you Day 1 because I find Day 1 lynches to be disgraceful and a slap in the face and I don't think you deserve that but I haven't been paying attention enough to really name a probable suspect

mastin2 · Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:40 am

Votecount here momentarily.

Thirty-third Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "Y u no comment on flava

" votecount

)

Nachomamma8 - 9 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Slandaar, Desperado, Seanald, Oversoul, CrashTextDummie, Amethyst Kitty)

Bacde - 2 (Om the Destroyer, Bulbazak)

fuzzybutternut - 2 (thezmon221, Cephrir)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Kublai Khan, Thor665)
Red Ryu - 2 (Syryana, ArcAngel9)
Cephrir - 1 (Baby Spice)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 3 (Hanzo_5, EddieFenix, BeautyAndTheBeast)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Red Ryu is V/LA from Friday, May 17th until Monday, May 20th.
At least half of the Amethyst Kitty hudra is V/LA until Tuesday, May 21st.

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

AngryPidgeon has a votecount on page 65. There is a mod-edited votecount on page 66.

Spoiler: Post 1612

Spoiler: Post 1625

Kublai Khan · Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:41 am

In post 1644, Oversoul wrote:No, a townie who really hasn't put as much effort as he should into the game

Yeah, that bugs me. People who do fake claim gambits don't lose interest in games. There was only about 3 days between your informed townie claim and your reveal that it was a gambit. And you posted 37 times in the interim.

At what point did you lose interest in this game?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:43 am

In post 1650, Oversoul wrote:I kinda don't want to lynch you Day 1 because I find Day 1 lynches to be disgraceful and a slap in the face and I don't think you deserve that but I haven't been paying attention enough to really name a probable suspect

This Day 1 lynch is shaping up to be pretty entertaining, actually. I would rather you keep your vote off unless you actually don't want to lynch me, though.

In post 1652, Kublai Khan wrote:Yeah, that bugs me. People who do fake claim gambits don't lose interest in games. There was only about 3 days between your informed townie claim and your reveal that it was a gambit. And you posted 37 times in the interim.

This was my exact line of thought.

Oversoul · Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:44 am

In post 1652, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1644, Oversoul wrote:No, a townie who really hasn't put as much effort as he should into the game
Yeah, that bugs me. People who do fake claim gambits don't lose interest in games. There was only about 3 days between your informed townie claim and your reveal that it was a gambit. And you posted 37 times in the interim.

At what point did you lose interest in this game?

I don't remember. Probably waiting for everyone to comment is what killed it for me.

Oversoul · Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:45 am

Ya.. I don't think fuzzy has gotten enough flak and I don't see where the AK hydra is getting "townie vibes"

VOTE: fuzzy

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:46 am

Mollie, do you have a town read on maramala

Desperado · Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:51 am

zzzz

You literally just told me to stop asking you to explain how you developed your read on me because the questions that I'm asking are scummy. If you're already in the confirmation bias stage of this discussion then why are you even bothering to engage me? You've already decided that I'm scum, to the point where you're just making shit up (like "his activity in this game is tied to mine...he waits for me to post, and then responds" such as 1501, 1519, and 1578? That have nothing to do with you?) because it makes your point sound better.

And how am I trying to make your case go away? Why would I keep responding to it (which is evidently all I'm doing) if my goal is to make it disappear? Why do you keep clipping my posts and then not answering the questions that I'm asking (and just calling them scummy instead)?

Bacde · Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:51 am

Here's the thing

I really do believe Nacho is scum right now

and its in my win condition to push on people who are scum

I see all these other scumbutts everywhere else, I get it

but I don't want this wagon to dissipate and everyone to be like "well we wagoned him and didn't lynch him so he's probably town" because that seems to happen after a wagon breaks up

it has nothing to do with pride nacho, it has to do with playing this game as damn well as I want to

I don't think the lack of a counterwagon necessarily indicates that it is scum driven, logically that doesn't make any sense

Wouldn't there be townies who were somewhat good enough to notice someone else being scummy, and wagon them? Especially if the wagon was on a town. I think its more likely that scum don't know where else to wagon with the gusto that nacho is being wagoned right now

Also I want to add in that being lynched d1 is only an insult if you are scum--its actually somewhat of an honor if you are town

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:05 am

In post 1657, Desperado wrote:You literally just told me to stop asking you to explain how you developed your read on me because the questions that I'm asking are scummy.

In post 1640, Nachomamma8 wrote:Reads are much more than one case. Stop asking these questions because they are scummy as hell.

That's literally not what I said, kiddo.

In post 1657, Desperado wrote:You've already decided that I'm scum, to the point where you're just making shit up (like "his activity in this game is tied to mine...he waits for me to post, and then responds" such as 1501, 1519, and 1578? That have nothing to do with you?) because it makes your point sound better.

You only post anything interesting when I'm involved. Your 1501 was a small dig at a townread, 1519 was continuing that discussion, 1578 is a small dig at oversoul. It's about the posts people will look back on and remember, the posts that actually matter; no one will care that you didn't necessarily buy bacde's reasoning for finding the HD/Om hydra town because WIFOM is also a scum strategy. But you're right, the way I worded it last time sounded a lot better.

In post 1657, Desperado wrote:And how am I trying to make your case go away? Why would I keep responding to it (which is evidently all I'm doing) if my goal is to make it disappear? Why do you keep clipping my posts and then not answering the questions that I'm asking (and just calling them scummy instead)?

If you avoided it, you would be dead. I clip your posts because there's not a need to respond to the whole quote because that looks stupid as fuck. Did you think I was quoting specific pieces of your post to take things out of context? Because if that's a belief of yours, better back it up at least a little bit.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:07 am

Bacde, bottom of #1642. Respond to it again now that you actually understand it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:16 am

In post 1651, mastin2 wrote:AKA, the "Y u no comment on flava

You inferred that I was going to be lynched. I didn't like that.

In post 1369, Thor665 wrote:Thor is a Thor read.

I'm going to give you the readthrough you deserve.

In post 0, mastin2 wrote: 10. Thor665
11. Red Ryu
14. Baby Spice
15. Slandaar
17. Seanald
19. fuzzybutternut
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal)
]

These are reads that I want to be stronger.

ISO · Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:16 am

Fine, I'll unwaffle them for you.

In post 1319, Desperado wrote:
In post 1263, Nachomamma8 wrote:Desperado's early posting hurts a fair bit. Vaguely supports massclaim, sort of talks to B&B about the Nero = indy read everyone was talking about, small attack on Ryu. His first significant anything is his attack on DLG, which is a location I like, but then the whole accusation of "DLG isn't scumhunting and is being a hypocrite for expecting AA9 to scumhunt when he is not" sort of fell flat; he said DLG's townreads were surface and not good enough, but they were still townreads. It was still scumhunting, whether it was fake scumhunting or real scumhunting. Then, DLG posts a bunch while he's typing the case, Desp acknowledges as much, then posts 10 minutes later that "no, not good" while posting other things at the same time, which seems like he just waited a little while but never actually read any of DLG's posting unless he's a god of speedreading or some shit. His hop onto my wagon is awkward and doesn't have anything in his ISO hinting at it, so that will have to be explained later. Scumread.
Can you explain what you mean by "fell flat?" I actually thought it was a pretty good point.

"he said DLG's townreads were surface and not good enough, but they were still townreads...it was still scumhunting, whether it was fake or not" can you explain how you are using this as a scumtell (presumably?) on me when you just said this?

Response to the main thrust of the case is just a question, and it isn't one that makes a whole lot of sense.

In post 1319, Desperado wrote:
In post 1306, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1263, Nachomamma8 wrote:Baby Spice has been lurking like hell, for one. Her excuse of "worrying about games that is endgaming" shows me that she's lurking and is conscious of it, but the rest of her play says that she's pretty okay with lurking hard as shit. I hate the "wall battle doesn't look like town v town but B&B is scum" bit, and she tosses out reads so randomly that I can't really see a thought process behind any of it. Lean scum, but not heavily.

Plus I think that her dismissing Thor and I as town instantly and with no paranoia at all is sort of strange and seems like fake townreads because they actually aren't based on anything,
and the constant complaining about walls is scummy considering she's not commenting on anything in the entire game and blaming it solely on walls.
Seems to be basically the same exact point that I was making about DLG, isn't?

Your final point about me either a) not reading or b) being a speed reader is just...weird. If I c/p'd all four of DLG's posts into Word, how many words do you think it would be? A few thousand? I can read multiple pages in ten minutes. Your assumption that I didn't read his posts because enough time did not elapse inbetween me saying I would and saying that they did nothing to alleviate my scumread on him just strikes me as a lazy attempt to discredit me. Have I given an indication elsewhere in this thread that I'm not reading it?

One last thing...CTD proposed the mass claim that I'm scummy for "vaguely supporting" (what was vague about "I support a mass claim for all of the reasons Crash outlined in his big post about it", btw?) and his case on DLG is very similar to mine, yet you have him as town and me as scum. Can you explain that?

Funny that he accuses Nacho of being lazy when the problem is that Desperado is being lazy (and apparently didn't find a single thing to comment on in DLG's walls even though DLG is his main suspect slash decided to post his case without reading them). When someone posts more content than they have all game that had damn well better affect your read on them one way or another.

In post 1509, Desperado wrote:
In post 1477, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1319, Desperado wrote:can you explain how you are using this as a scumtell (presumably?) on me when you just said this?
It was an explanation of the earlier post. He's not scumhunting that much, but he's definitely scumhunting.
This...doesn't answer the question I was asking you. You were talking about Baby Spice and said "Plus I think that her dismissing Thor and I as town instantly and with no paranoia at all is sort of strange and seems like fake townreads because they actually aren't based on anything." Basically saying her townreads are weak and sparsely supported, i.e. fabricated, which is exactly what I was saying about DLG's townreads. Except you said "he said DLG's townreads were surface and not good enough, but they were still townreads. It was still scumhunting, whether it was fake scumhunting or real scumhunting." So why is it ok for you to call out Baby Spice's townreads for being weak, but when I call out DLG's townreads for being weak, he's still scumhunting and I'm scummy for it?

And why did you ignore my first question? How did my accusation against DLG for voting AA for not scumhunting when he isn't doing any himself fall flat? We clearly aren't on the same page here.

This is the point where I have Desperado winning. 1640 is an adequate response though.

In post 1509, Desperado wrote:
In post 1319, Desperado wrote:One last thing...CTD proposed the mass claim that I'm scummy for "vaguely supporting" (what was vague about "I support a mass claim for all of the reasons Crash outlined in his big post about it", btw?) and his case on DLG is very similar to mine, yet you have him as town and me as scum. Can you explain that?
CTD didn't say that you vaguely supported massclaim, and his DLG case had absolutely nothing to do with why I found him town.
Good thing I didn't say that CTD said that? Read the sentence again. I said that CTD proposed the mass claim that you said I was scummy for "vaguely supporting" the idea of even though I was not vague about my position whatsoever. And are you sure that it had absolutely nothing to do with it? Because you said that "He also easily found other things to look at and didn't stall in coming up with scumreads and townreads," and I'm pretty sure his case on DLG falls into that category. If his case on DLG was good enough to prove to you that he was doing other things and coming up with scumreads, and it was very similar to mine, why is he a townread and me a scumread?

This is the point I was talking about being a stretch. "Are you

suuuuuuuuure

that wasn't your reason?" is a stupid question and reminds me of the "nuh uh Ceph you were totally preparing to jump on Nacho" point which can die in a fire.

In post 1657, Desperado wrote:zzzz

You literally just told me to stop asking you to explain how you developed your read on me because the questions that I'm asking are scummy. If you're already in the confirmation bias stage of this discussion then why are you even bothering to engage me? You've already decided that I'm scum, to the point where you're just making shit up (like "his activity in this game is tied to mine...he waits for me to post, and then responds" such as 1501, 1519, and 1578? That have nothing to do with you?) because it makes your point sound better.

And how am I trying to make your case go away? Why would I keep responding to it (which is evidently all I'm doing) if my goal is to make it disappear? Why do you keep clipping my posts and then not answering the questions that I'm asking (and just calling them scummy instead)?

Oh, sorry, you're only *almost* exclusively responding to Nacho. That's such a big difference!

So basically yeah you won.

Bacde · Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:22 am

In post 1642, Nachomamma8 wrote:Bzzt. If I am lynched, you better follow the shit out of my scumlist and not AtE, you owe me that much.

yeah sure

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:23 am

Wanna hop on this nice wagon with me, Cephrir? It would be a hell of a slap to the face if I got lynched D1 AND couldn't get any sort of counterwagon going.

Desperado · Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:26 am

1) Don't call me kiddo...although the unnecessary condescension might help get you lynched so on second thought, keep patronizing me
2) That's exactly what you said. You told me to "stop asking you these questions because they are scummy as hell" when "these questions" are me pointing out inconsistencies in your scumhunting and asking you to explain them. You've made no distinction between DLG's "at least" pretending to scumhunt and Baby Spice pretending to scumhunt, for example, for example, other than "it is that way because I say it is."
3) So if I avoid it, that makes me autoscum. But if I respond to it, and my level of activity regarding other happenings in the game is not up to your standard, then I'm also scum? Is there a situation here that doesn't end with "then I'm scum" in your mind? Because it doesn't really sound like it.

PEdit: Ceph: Why does the question not make sense the first time, but when Nacho makes me ask it again that's when you "have me winning?" It's the same question.

And I wasn't making I point, I was being sarcastic because I knew that Nacho had just lied. CTD's case on DLG absolutely played into Nacho's townread on him (as I pointed out), which leads me to believe that he was just saying that in response to my question to discredit it from the start (that point is invalid because it isn't even relevant!) Except it was relevant, so now he has to switch to "CTD's push on his DLG case was better than yours," which was not his original assertion. Do you get it? He lied and got caught, so I pointed it out cheekily.

Finally, I'm not beholden to any of you or your standards of play. I'll respond to what I want to respond to, when I want to respond to it...before today I had 6 posts since voting Nacho (and Nacho voting me in return), 3 responding to his vote on me and 3 not. If 50% = "almost exclusively" then yeah, I'm almost exclusively responding to Nacho.

Bacde · Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:26 am

being lynched d1 as town is an honor, not a slap to the face

being lynched d1 as scum is a slap to the face

ISO · Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:28 am

@Nacho:You could join my wagon instead

In all seriousness though, maybe later.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:45 am

In post 1665, Desperado wrote:1) Don't call me kiddo...although the unnecessary condescension might help get you lynched so on second thought, keep patronizing me

Do you have a response to the words before the comma?

In post 1665, Desperado wrote:That's exactly what you said. You told me to "stop asking you these questions because they are scummy as hell" when "these questions" are me pointing out inconsistencies in your scumhunting and asking you to explain them. You've made no distinction between DLG's "at least" pretending to scumhunt and Baby Spice pretending to scumhunt, for example, for example, other than "it is that way because I say it is."

Scumhunting is putting forward reads and asking questions with transparent thought processes. Baby Spice and DLG have both done this to some extent, but the evolution of DLG's reads (notice the evolution of my townread) is far more believable than anything Baby Spice has put forward so far, especially with her calling the case against me shit before, never responding to them, and now working on posturing to hop on my wagon because it isn't going through without her.

In post 1665, Desperado wrote:3) So if I avoid it, that makes me autoscum. But if I respond to it, and my level of activity regarding other happenings in the game is not up to your standard, then I'm also scum? Is there a situation here that doesn't end with "then I'm scum" in your mind? Because it doesn't really sound like it.

It's not that your activity on other happenings in the game is not up to standard; it's that it's virtually non-existent.

In post 1665, Desperado wrote:And I wasn't making I point, I was being sarcastic because I knew that Nacho had just lied. CTD's case on DLG absolutely played into Nacho's townread on him (as I pointed out), which leads me to believe that he was just saying that in response to my question to discredit it from the start (that point is invalid because it isn't even relevant!) Except it was relevant, so now he has to switch to "CTD's push on his DLG case was better than yours," which was not his original assertion. Do you get it? He lied and got caught, so I pointed it out cheekily.

My case:

In post 1169, Nachomamma8 wrote:CTD also seems fairly town so far, although his reasons for being town are a hell of a lot easier to explain. I've seen him push the massclaim idea before as scum, and this is a different beast entirely. I like that he followed up on it after I started easing up a lot (mostly his analysis), and the way his townread on me formed and then weakened a little bit was extremely transparent and townish. He was willing to defend his idea when he got a little traction, and when that traction ran out, he still found something more from it. He also easily found other things to look at and didn't stall in coming up with scumreads and townreads, regardless of his massclaiming shenanigans. He's probably town.

You took one of the last two sentences that are not the essence of the case at all. You also took what was a very vague statement and railroaded it into "CTD's case on DLG", which, again, was not what I said.

In post 1665, Desperado wrote:Finally, I'm not beholden to any of you or your standards of play. I'll respond to what I want to respond to, when I want to respond to it...before today I had 6 posts since voting Nacho (and Nacho voting me in return), 3 responding to his vote on me and 3 not. If 50% = "almost exclusively" then yeah, I'm almost exclusively responding to Nacho.

Quality or quantity?

Spoiler: Not Nacho

Spoiler: Nacho

In post 1319, Desperado wrote:
In post 1263, Nachomamma8 wrote:Desperado's early posting hurts a fair bit. Vaguely supports massclaim, sort of talks to B&B about the Nero = indy read everyone was talking about, small attack on Ryu. His first significant anything is his attack on DLG, which is a location I like, but then the whole accusation of "DLG isn't scumhunting and is being a hypocrite for expecting AA9 to scumhunt when he is not" sort of fell flat; he said DLG's townreads were surface and not good enough, but they were still townreads. It was still scumhunting, whether it was fake scumhunting or real scumhunting. Then, DLG posts a bunch while he's typing the case, Desp acknowledges as much, then posts 10 minutes later that "no, not good" while posting other things at the same time, which seems like he just waited a little while but never actually read any of DLG's posting unless he's a god of speedreading or some shit. His hop onto my wagon is awkward and doesn't have anything in his ISO hinting at it, so that will have to be explained later. Scumread.
Can you explain what you mean by "fell flat?" I actually thought it was a pretty good point.

"he said DLG's townreads were surface and not good enough, but they were still townreads...it was still scumhunting, whether it was fake or not" can you explain how you are using this as a scumtell (presumably?) on me when you just said this?

In post 1306, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1263, Nachomamma8 wrote:Baby Spice has been lurking like hell, for one. Her excuse of "worrying about games that is endgaming" shows me that she's lurking and is conscious of it, but the rest of her play says that she's pretty okay with lurking hard as shit. I hate the "wall battle doesn't look like town v town but B&B is scum" bit, and she tosses out reads so randomly that I can't really see a thought process behind any of it. Lean scum, but not heavily.

Plus I think that her dismissing Thor and I as town instantly and with no paranoia at all is sort of strange and seems like fake townreads because they actually aren't based on anything,
and the constant complaining about walls is scummy considering she's not commenting on anything in the entire game and blaming it solely on walls.
Seems to be basically the same exact point that I was making about DLG, isn't?

Your final point about me either a) not reading or b) being a speed reader is just...weird. If I c/p'd all four of DLG's posts into Word, how many words do you think it would be? A few thousand? I can read multiple pages in ten minutes. Your assumption that I didn't read his posts because enough time did not elapse inbetween me saying I would and saying that they did nothing to alleviate my scumread on him just strikes me as a lazy attempt to discredit me. Have I given an indication elsewhere in this thread that I'm not reading it?

One last thing...CTD proposed the mass claim that I'm scummy for "vaguely supporting" (what was vague about "I support a mass claim for all of the reasons Crash outlined in his big post about it", btw?) and his case on DLG is very similar to mine, yet you have him as town and me as scum. Can you explain that?

In post 1509, Desperado wrote:
In post 1477, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1319, Desperado wrote:can you explain how you are using this as a scumtell (presumably?) on me when you just said this?
It was an explanation of the earlier post. He's not scumhunting that much, but he's definitely scumhunting.
This...doesn't answer the question I was asking you. You were talking about Baby Spice and said "Plus I think that her dismissing Thor and I as town instantly and with no paranoia at all is sort of strange and seems like fake townreads because they actually aren't based on anything." Basically saying her townreads are weak and sparsely supported, i.e. fabricated, which is exactly what I was saying about DLG's townreads. Except you said "he said DLG's townreads were surface and not good enough, but they were still townreads. It was still scumhunting, whether it was fake scumhunting or real scumhunting." So why is it ok for you to call out Baby Spice's townreads for being weak, but when I call out DLG's townreads for being weak, he's still scumhunting and I'm scummy for it?

And why did you ignore my first question? How did my accusation against DLG for voting AA for not scumhunting when he isn't doing any himself fall flat? We clearly aren't on the same page here.

In post 1319, Desperado wrote:Your final point about me either a) not reading or b) being a speed reader is just...weird. If I c/p'd all four of DLG's posts into Word, how many words do you think it would be? A few thousand? I can read multiple pages in ten minutes. Your assumption that I didn't read his posts because enough time did not elapse inbetween me saying I would and saying that they did nothing to alleviate my scumread on him just strikes me as a lazy attempt to discredit me. Have I given an indication elsewhere in this thread that I'm not reading it?
Depends on what you're looking for, I guess. I might be different, but I focus a hell of a lot closer on suspect's posting than everyone else, and reading DGB's post would take a little longer than that for me. I guess what I found strange was not that you read it that quickly, but that you read it that quickly AND decided you didn't see anything worth commenting on in that chunk.
Did you see anything worth commenting on? It was more of the same from my point of view, which I think was pretty clearly expressed in what I said.

In post 1319, Desperado wrote:One last thing...CTD proposed the mass claim that I'm scummy for "vaguely supporting" (what was vague about "I support a mass claim for all of the reasons Crash outlined in his big post about it", btw?) and his case on DLG is very similar to mine, yet you have him as town and me as scum. Can you explain that?
CTD didn't say that you vaguely supported massclaim, and his DLG case had absolutely nothing to do with why I found him town.
Good thing I didn't say that CTD said that? Read the sentence again. I said that CTD proposed the mass claim that you said I was scummy for "vaguely supporting" the idea of even though I was not vague about my position whatsoever. And are you sure that it had absolutely nothing to do with it? Because you said that "He also easily found other things to look at and didn't stall in coming up with scumreads and townreads," and I'm pretty sure his case on DLG falls into that category. If his case on DLG was good enough to prove to you that he was doing other things and coming up with scumreads, and it was very similar to mine, why is he a townread and me a scumread?

In post 1348, CrashTextDummie wrote:I question his current vote, not just because it's on someone I read as town and unlikely to lead anywhere, but also because there's a good wagon waiting to happen on his second choice, DLG.

I think that DLG and Desp are unlikely partners at this point
, so I'd rather take care of the stronger scumread first.
Well you're finally right about something.

In post 1657, Desperado wrote:zzzz

You literally just told me to stop asking you to explain how you developed your read on me because the questions that I'm asking are scummy. If you're already in the confirmation bias stage of this discussion then why are you even bothering to engage me? You've already decided that I'm scum, to the point where you're just making shit up (like "his activity in this game is tied to mine...he waits for me to post, and then responds" such as 1501, 1519, and 1578? That have nothing to do with you?) because it makes your point sound better.

And how am I trying to make your case go away? Why would I keep responding to it (which is evidently all I'm doing) if my goal is to make it disappear? Why do you keep clipping my posts and then not answering the questions that I'm asking (and just calling them scummy instead)?

I've also clarified that I was referring to content elsewhere and not number of posts you've made elsewhere.

Bacde · Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:53 am

ok nacho who is your "definitely scum" read?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:55 am

Guess.

Bacde · Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 7:07 am

Seanald?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 7:08 am

Perfect.

Bacde · Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 7:10 am

I'm giving you a chance to be upfront and not a sarcastic scumbag here

I'd suggest you take it

Bacde · Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 7:15 am

I'm clawing for reasons to unvote you and vote for desperado you know

I'd so much prefer it for both of us to be town and I want to believe

but you aren't helping me here

you feel like scum to me love