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Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 5:48 am

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In post 1574, Bacde wrote:^^So your reaction test told you nothing, basically?

That whole post is IIoA except a few tidbits about RR, even though its never really explained if you think he's scummy or townie

fuck dude, if we really want to lynch scum maybe we should just quicklynch arcangel9 (who I'm certain is scum)

because I'm beginning to understand why nacho really didn't like this slot

Vig should take out one of nacho/OS and we should probably lynch AA9

what do you guys think?

how crazy would this be if both nacho/OS were on the same team, that would be crazy
No. I just haven't been paying attention to this game because I'm lazy.

I still think that Fuzzy is likely scum for his weird interaction with the claim and potentially Ryu because of him defending me and then feeling slighted that I was voting for him. The large amount of people who ignored it made the reaction test less useful than I had hoped.

Bacde,if you actually have been reading, my Ryu vote was RVS. :P

I wanted to vote Nacho when you said, especially after Slandaar posted his reasoning for Nacho scum, but I wanted to see if Ryu would continue down his path of "why are you voting me" since he hasn't even really played the game since then

VOTE: Nacho

Also if the vig wants to shoot me that is there choice but I highly recommend against that.
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Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 5:52 am

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why would you recommend against that?

You've been playing in a somewhat unhelpful manner and admitted to not paying attention to this game

not to mention you just voted for the largest wagon in the game with a pretty lax explanation right after I turned the heat up on you

if you were town you'd be willing to be vigged imo
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Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 5:57 am

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In post 1576, Bacde wrote:why would you recommend against that?

You've been playing in a somewhat unhelpful manner and admitted to not paying attention to this game

not to mention you just voted for the largest wagon in the game with a pretty lax explanation right after I turned the heat up on you

if you were town you'd be willing to be vigged imo
I wouldn't care under normal situations, but sometimes fate (or Mastin) deals us a cruel hand.

Lynch me if you want but vigging me is just bad practice.

I felt Slandaar's case was pretty good and more or less aligned with how I felt Nacho was behaving.
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Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 6:21 am

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In post 1573, Oversoul wrote:I fucked that up real hard.

God damn it. I had like 7 draft's for this game and I didn't know which one was it. >_>

Anyway, that is my impression of the people who commented on my claim.
What is interesting is that Ryu was particularly focused on why I was voting him which I find very peculiar, given that he mentioned it twice. Like I said, almost as if he is angry that he supported me and I was voting him.
So...are you going to give us the draft that isn't just mostly repetition of your #1058?
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Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 6:25 am

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In post 1553, Bacde wrote:WAIT WAIT WAIT

did OS claim that his informed townie fakeclaim was a "reaction test"?
WAIT WAIT WAIT...

You mean to tell me, that through your insistent tunnel visioning, you've NOT been paying attention??
Bacde wrote:^^So your reaction test told you nothing, basically?

That whole post is IIoA except a few tidbits about RR, even though its never really explained if you think he's scummy or townie

fuck dude, if we really want to lynch scum maybe we should just quicklynch arcangel9 (who I'm certain is scum)

because I'm beginning to understand why nacho really didn't like this slot

Vig should take out one of nacho/OS and we should probably lynch AA9

what do you guys think?

how crazy would this be if both nacho/OS were on the same team, that would be crazy
Have you hit China/the other side of the world/the Earth's core YET?!?! Come on, Bacde... I assume can you at least attempt to string together a compliment-able/legit argument to support your claim rather than just tunneling more.
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Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 6:46 am

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In post 1577, Oversoul wrote:
In post 1576, Bacde wrote:why would you recommend against that?

You've been playing in a somewhat unhelpful manner and admitted to not paying attention to this game

not to mention you just voted for the largest wagon in the game with a pretty lax explanation right after I turned the heat up on you

if you were town you'd be willing to be vigged imo
I wouldn't care under normal situations, but sometimes fate (or Mastin) deals us a cruel hand.


Lynch me if you want but vigging me is just bad practice.
What makes you a "bad vig practice"?
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Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 6:54 am

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In post 1579, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 1553, Bacde wrote:WAIT WAIT WAIT

did OS claim that his informed townie fakeclaim was a "reaction test"?
WAIT WAIT WAIT...

You mean to tell me, that through your insistent tunnel visioning, you've NOT been paying attention??
Bacde wrote:^^So your reaction test told you nothing, basically?

That whole post is IIoA except a few tidbits about RR, even though its never really explained if you think he's scummy or townie

fuck dude, if we really want to lynch scum maybe we should just quicklynch arcangel9 (who I'm certain is scum)

because I'm beginning to understand why nacho really didn't like this slot

Vig should take out one of nacho/OS and we should probably lynch AA9

what do you guys think?

how crazy would this be if both nacho/OS were on the same team, that would be crazy
Have you hit China/the other side of the world/the Earth's core YET?!?! Come on, Bacde... I assume can you at least attempt to string together a compliment-able/legit argument to support your claim rather than just tunneling more.
can you at least attempt to string together a complete sentence to support your positions in the game?

oh wait, you have no strong positions in this game, at least none that are memorable to me

its easy to be a critic
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Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 7:27 am

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In post 1123, EddieFenix wrote:
Unvote
Vote Nacho
In post 1289, EddieFenix wrote:
Unvote


So, Nacho comes in and starts posting up. So, I'll back down for now. Oversoul, catch me up on this post please.

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Fenix, are you scum w/ nacho?
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Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 7:39 am

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In post 1550, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Seanald, thoughts on Cephrir? thoughts on anything really, your presence in this game is minimal and you're easy to forget, which is something I don't like.

~Mara
I agree with syrana's & your posts about him pretty much and would be willing to put a vote on him.
and I am town reading syrana usually what happens when someone makes a huge wall post like syr did, as scum it would be a shit ton of IIOA usually but I didn't really get that from syr, and he has been following up after that post, where alot of times scum will make a big post like that then try to skirt by, I feel syr is actively trying to get involved and figure shit out. He's town mon.
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Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:07 am

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In post 1582, Bacde wrote:
In post 1123, EddieFenix wrote:
Unvote
Vote Nacho
In post 1289, EddieFenix wrote:
Unvote


So, Nacho comes in and starts posting up. So, I'll back down for now. Oversoul, catch me up on this post please.

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Fenix, are you scum w/ nacho?
Point proven. Not only are you tunnel visioning so hard that you can't be legit scum hunting, but now you're trying to link me to Nacho because I unvoted him. Pathetic.
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Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:27 am

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Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Slandaar, Desperado, Seanald, Oversoul)

Cephrir - 3 (Baby Spice, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Red Ryu - 2 (Bulbazak, Syryana)
fuzzybutternut - 2 (thezmon221, Cephrir)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Kublai Khan, Thor665)
Bulbazak - 1 (fuzzybutternut)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Bacde - 1 (Om the Destroyer)

Not Voting - 3 (Hanzo_5, ArcAngel9, EddieFenix)

<<< And that's a lunch! >>>


<<< The gathered town is in the process of deciding that
Nachomamma8
should be put to death day one, when
Bacde
steps up and says,
"...You know what? I'm really, really hungry."

"Yeah, we've been at this for hours without eating."

"Heck, I skipped breakfast myself."

"Yeah, me too. That's left me starving."

"We should send someone to get some grub."

"How about we elect Nacho to get us food?"
Oversoul
suggests.

"Why would I? You guys are just going to kill me, anyway."

"...Because it couldn't hurt your chances of swaying us to your side?"

"Good enough."

So Nacho leaves, briefly, to make enough sandwiches for the whole group.

"Mmm, these are delicious!"
"Wow, I didn't think it was possible to make sandwiches this good!"
"Yummy! Please, sir, can I have some more?"

"...So...does this mean I'm off the hook?"

"Not a chance,"
Bacde
smiles, "but it was nice anyway." >>>


Nachomamma8, voted Best Sandwich Maker D1.


<<< Please note the above is purely flavor based off of bad Mastin humor regarding the similarities between lunch and lynch. It does serve as a convenient reminder, though, that you're pretty much at the half-way mark; day is just about half-over. >>>


Thirty-first Votecount
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(
AKA, the "Mamma, make me a sandwich" votecount
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Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Slandaar, Desperado, Seanald, Oversoul)

Cephrir - 3 (Baby Spice, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Red Ryu - 2 (Bulbazak, Syryana)
fuzzybutternut - 2 (thezmon221, Cephrir)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Kublai Khan, Thor665)
Bulbazak - 1 (fuzzybutternut)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Bacde - 1 (Om the Destroyer)

Not Voting - 3 (Hanzo_5, ArcAngel9, EddieFenix)

With
24
players alive, it's
13
to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Red Ryu is V/LA from Friday, May 17th until Monday, May 20th.
ArcAngel9 has been prodded.


Spoiler: changes from last official votecount
Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Slandaar, Desperado,
Seanald
,
Oversoul
)
Red Ryu - 2 (
Oversoul
, Bulbazak, Syryana)
Cephrir - 3 (Baby Spice, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast)
Bulbazak - 1 (fuzzybutternut)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Kublai Khan, Thor665)
Bacde - 1 (Om the Destroyer)
fuzzybutternut - 2 (thezmon221, Cephrir)

Not Voting - 3 (
Seanald
, Hanzo_5, ArcAngel9, EddieFenix)


Spoiler: Player Vote History
Mac | thezmon221: Red Ryu | fuzzybutternut
CrashTextDummie: Oversoul->DLG
Cephrir: Oversoul->BeautyAndTheBeast->Unvote->fuzzybutternut
Nachomamma8: Oversoul->Desperado
DLG: ArcAngel9
Nero Cain: Oversoul->EddieFenix->Oversoul->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->BeautyAndTheBeast->EddieFenix->Nachomamma8
EddieFenix: BeautyAndTheBeast->Bulbazak->Nachomamma8->Unvote
Bulbazak: Oversoul->Om the Destroyer->Red Ryu
Thor665: Red Ryu->BeautyAndTheBeast
Red Ryu: Nachomamma8
Syryana: Red Ryu
Desperado: DLG->Nachomamma8
Baby Spice: Red Ryu->Cephrir
Slandaar: Nachomamma8
Oversoul: Red Ryu->Nachomamma8
Seanald: Nachomamma8
ActionDan
Hanzo_5:
fuzzybutternut: Oversoul->Cephrir->Bulbazak
Kublai Khan: BeautyAndTheBeast
Amethyst Kitty: Nachomamma8->Cephrir
BeautyAndTheBeast: Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Cephrir
Om the Destroyer: Red Ryu->BeautyAndTheBeast->Bulbazak->Bacde->Bulbazak->Bacde
ArcAngel9:


Spoiler: Voting History
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:43p,
Oversoul
votes
Red Ryu
in post 202.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:47p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Oversoul
in post 206.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:08p,
CrashTextDummie
votes
Oversoul
in post 211.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:32p,
Nero Cain
votes
Oversoul
in post 218.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:37p,
Cephrir
votes
Oversoul
in post 219.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:45p,
Bulbazak
votes
Oversoul
in post 237.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:56p,
Om the Destroyer
votes
Red Ryu
in post 250.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 04:58p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Cephrir
in post 301.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 05:38p,
Om the Destroyer
unvotes
Red Ryu
and votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 323.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 05:42p,
Cephrir
unvotes
Oversoul
and votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 327.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 07:04p,
fuzzybutternut
votes
Oversoul
in post 361.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 07:42p,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 388.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:14p,
Bacde
votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 406.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:36p,
fuzzybutternut
votes
Cephrir
in post 414.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:43p,
EddieFenix
votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 415.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:58p,
Nero Cain
votes
EddieFenix
in post 418.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 09:08p,
Red Ryu
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 423.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 09:13p,
Bacde
votes
EddieFenix
in post 427.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 09:55p,
Nero Cain
votes
Oversoul
in post 564.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:23a,
DLG
votes
ArcAngel9
in post 494.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 06:14p,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 587.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 08:41p,
Thor665
votes
Red Ryu
in post 600.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:12p,
Nero Cain
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 614.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:26p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 620.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:43p,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 626.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 10:19p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
unvotes
Nachomamma8
in post 631.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 11:09p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Cephrir
in post 637.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 00:46a,
Om the Destroyer
votes
Bulbazak
in post 654.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 00:58a,
Bulbazak
votes
Om the destroyer
in post 657.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 04:56p,
fuzzybutternut
votes
Bulbazak
in post 734.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 05:57p,
Baby Spice
votes
Red Ryu
in post 749.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 07:02p,
Desperado
votes
DLG
in post 765.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 12:31p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 875.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 01:12p,
EddieFenix
unvotes
BeautyAndTheBeast
and votes
Bulbazak
in post 885.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 04:33p,
Mac
votes
Red Ryu
in post 915.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 07:49p,
Bulbazak
unvotes
Om the Destroyer
and votes
Red Ryu
in post 938.
On Fri, May 5/10/13 @ 00:27p,
CrashTextDummie
votes
DLG
in post 958.
On Fri, May 5/10/13 @ 05:39p,
Syryana
votes
Red Ryu
in post 968.
On Fri, May 5/10/13 @ 02:25p,
Slandaar
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 1008.
On Sat, May 5/11/13 @ 11:55a,
Desperado
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 1102.
On Sat, May 5/11/13 @ 03:15p,
EddieFenix
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 1123.
On Sat, May 5/11/13 @ 09:47p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
unvotes
Nachomamma8
in post 1186.
On Sun, May 5/12/13 @ 06:19a,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Cephrir
in post 1196.
On Sun, May 5/12/13 @ 06:45a,
Baby Spice
votes
Cephrir
in post 1197.
On Mon, May 5/13/13 @ 00:47a,
Nachomamma8
votes
Desperado
in post 1265.
On Mon, May 5/13/13 @ 07:53a,
Cephrir
unvotes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 1275.
On Mon, May 5/13/13 @ 09:38a,
EddieFenix
unvotes
Nachomamma8
in pst 1289.
On Mon, May 5/13/13 @ 07:37p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 1359.
On Mon, May 5/13/13 @ 10:54p,
Kublai Khan
votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 1379.
On Tue, May 5/14/13 @ 00:29a,
Om the Destroyer
votes
Bacde
in post 1382.
On Tue, May 5/14/13 @ 03:00p,
thezmon221
votes
fuzzybutternut
in post 1410.
On Tue, May 5/14/13 @ 03:10p,
Cephrir
votes
fuzzybutternut
in post 1416.
On Tue, May 5/14/13 @ 06:43p,
Om the Destroyer
unvotes
Bacde
and votes
Bulbazak
in post 1454.
On Tue, May 5/14/13 @ 06:43p,
Om the Destroyer
votes
Bacde
in post 1455.
On Tue, May 5/14/13 @ 08:43p,
Thor665
unvotes
Red Ryu
and votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 1467.
On Tue, May 5/14/13 @ 08:56p,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Cephrir
in post 1468.
On Tue, May 5/14/13 @ 09:34p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Cephrir
in post 1471.
On Wed, May 5/15/13 @ 10:19p,
Seanald
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 1545.
On Thu, May 5/16/13 @ 10:48a,
Oversoul
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 1575.
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Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:32 am

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In post 1557, Bacde wrote:crap,

well now OS looks really bad to me

ok I need a tribal council right now:

can nacho still be scum despite OS looking really really bad (like really scummy bad)?

Survey says:
Were we to garner the support for another lynch, and provided they were a scum read of yours (such as OS), would you actually consider switching your vote, or would you be stubborn enough to stick to Nacho? I don't really see it with Nacho, and I'm not willing to follow your meta claim of him.
In post 1540, Syryana wrote:So, in short:
  • Nacho's pushing massclaim, he hated it before as town, therefore he's scum
  • The Oversoul case is shit
  • Nacho isn't obviously town
  • Nacho is usually more useful than this
-snip-


TLDR: Pick one of Red, Ceph and Oversoul. Then click reply, click vote, and type the name you picked. Then submit.
This is the thing that really caught my eye. It sounds to me like you are convinced Nacho is scum, but then don't support his lynch. So what is your position on him?
In post 1572, Oversoul wrote:
In post 992, Red Ryu wrote:Has Oversoul tried moving his vote at all? I'm pretty sure he has just been sitting on that vote.
Hehe. I guess I was right that Red Ryu is miffed that I am voting him despite everything. It is a shame really. I was getting town feelings for Ryu's attack against Nacho and subsequent defense of himself from Bulb and co.
That's... actually interesting to note. Maybe Ryu is offended scum?
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Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:52 am

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In post 1586, thezmon221 wrote:Were we to garner the support for another lynch, and provided they were a scum read of yours (such as OS), would you actually consider switching your vote, or would you be stubborn enough to stick to Nacho? I don't really see it with Nacho, and I'm not willing to follow your meta claim of him.
Here's my dillemma:

if I want to 100% KNOW that I'm lynching scum today, then we should lynch AA9

but I seriously doubt that an AA9 lynch will help us find other scum

plus, I'm like 99% sure that I'm dying tonight (if nacho is scum then I'm dead, if nacho isn't scum then I'm dead to frame nacho)

I'm not 100% on nacho, he's a good enough player that I dunno if I could ever be 100%

BUT I AM sure enough about nacho that IF he flips town, I'm willing to be lynched tomorrow

thats like 90-95%

plus a nacho scum flip will help us find other scum, such as Fenix. If nacho is scum then Fenix is pretty obviously scum
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Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:54 am

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In post 1584, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 1582, Bacde wrote:
In post 1123, EddieFenix wrote:
Unvote
Vote Nacho
In post 1289, EddieFenix wrote:
Unvote


So, Nacho comes in and starts posting up. So, I'll back down for now. Oversoul, catch me up on this post please.

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Fenix, are you scum w/ nacho?
Point proven. Not only are you tunnel visioning so hard that you can't be legit scum hunting, but now you're trying to link me to Nacho because I unvoted him. Pathetic.
lol I like how you call me pathetic

it really makes me believe that you have a town role pm and are trying to help me see the error of my ways

no way are you just trying to protect your scumbuddy nacho

who you were willing to vote when the wagon was growing big but unvoted because "nacho started posting"
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Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:55 am

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In post 1478, Nachomamma8 wrote: If I flip town, you're living in my scumlist for a while. You owe me that much.
Lets be honest this is just scum trying to sound town;

(if Nacho is town this is what he said) If I am lynched I am putting you in my scumlist, you owe me that.
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Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 8:58 am

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^^Right? Who the butt says that?

I'm so down to lynch nacho and live in his scumlist its not even funny
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Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 9:05 am

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But ArcAngel isn't scum. I'm pretty sure about that. Besides, there's no need to lynch you in the event Nacho flips town. That would just add unnecessary deaths to our tally.

In another direction, you didn't really answer my question. If we garnered the support for a lynch on someone you have a scum read on that isn't Nacho, would you lynch them? Would you take even that "slight leap of faith" that they could be town, but you think they're scum? The issue I have with your reads is that I don't like how 99% of your vote is based on a meta of him, and that I don't think Arc is scum.

Prove to me that your read on Nacho is much, much more than meta and I'd consider it. Until then, I'm not willing to budge unless I have to settle for consensus.
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Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 9:15 am

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In post 1590, Bacde wrote:^^Right? Who the butt says that?

I'm so down to lynch nacho and live in his scumlist its not even funny
Exactly, it doesn't mean anything.
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Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 9:26 am

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In post 1591, thezmon221 wrote:But ArcAngel isn't scum. I'm pretty sure about that. Besides, there's no need to lynch you in the event Nacho flips town. That would just add unnecessary deaths to our tally.

In another direction, you didn't really answer my question. If we garnered the support for a lynch on someone you have a scum read on that isn't Nacho, would you lynch them? Would you take even that "slight leap of faith" that they could be town, but you think they're scum? The issue I have with your reads is that I don't like how 99% of your vote is based on a meta of him, and that I don't think Arc is scum.

Prove to me that your read on Nacho is much, much more than meta and I'd consider it. Until then, I'm not willing to budge unless I have to settle for consensus.
yes, I would lynch someone other than nacho if we had to

I've already expressed that I'm VERY certain that AA9 is scum, and I would be willing to lynch that

I'd just rather lynch somewhere that I think will set town up for a victory by looking at associative tells
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Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 9:27 am

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In post 1583, Seanald wrote:
In post 1550, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Seanald, thoughts on Cephrir? thoughts on anything really, your presence in this game is minimal and you're easy to forget, which is something I don't like.

~Mara
I agree with syrana's & your posts about him pretty much and would be willing to put a vote on him.
and I am town reading syrana usually what happens when someone makes a huge wall post like syr did, as scum it would be a shit ton of IIOA usually but I didn't really get that from syr, and he has been following up after that post, where alot of times scum will make a big post like that then try to skirt by, I feel syr is actively trying to get involved and figure shit out. He's town mon.
Syr's post which was debunked and AK's posts that don't exist. Nice.

ArcAngel is a bad lynch today. We'll talk about her Day 3 or so.

Oversoul's summary post is useless as hell. At the end of it he says "and that's what I think about the reactions to my claim" or something even though what he's saying earlier in the post isn't what he thinks, it's just facts (e.g. "this person supported my claim and doesn't think I'm scummy"). That's not an opinion.
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Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 9:31 am

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@ thezmon

look at this post:
In post 1516, Bacde wrote:Nacho isn't playing to "out his reads" or "find scum" this game, he's
manipulating people
(and he can do it with one word even as shown w/ the pride post)

that is not the way town-nacho plays

Look at these two posts intended to manipulate me using fear out of my push on nacho:
In post 1478, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mollie, Bacde, I'm not screaming at you guys for being idiots this game because you do have a point because I'm not exactly happy with my reads yet. It's not that I'm lacking motivation for this game and it isn't that I'm being useless (that's bullshit, Bacde), but I definitely am not being as aggressive and on point this game because I just don't have things worked out yet. I have a pretty good scumread in Desperado, a pretty decent town core, but I don't feel comfortable with the game to the point that I usually do. Although, Bacde:
In post 1459, Bacde wrote:if nacho flips town you are suspect #1
If I flip town, you're living in my scumlist for a while. You owe me that much.
In post 1483, Nachomamma8 wrote:Will you?
Also, why has he forgotten about this:
In post 1487, Nachomamma8 wrote:That's fucking stupid. I want you to follow my reads.
If he wants me to follow his reads, why isn't he pushing them harder? If he wants me to follow his reads, why does he keep saying to me "No you have a point I haven't been playing as well as I'd like this game"

Guys, excuses like that are scummy on their own. But when he simultaneously says that he's unhappy with his reads, but ALSO wants me to follow his reads?

Scum.
though this post CAN be construed as a "meta" case (because I emphasized that this isn't how town-nacho plays), it is ALSO a GREAT point as to why nacho is scum, regardless of his usual town play.

Why is he playing to manipulate people, instead of just outting his reads and explaining them and attempting to get others to follow his reads?

Also, why did he simultaneously say he is "not happy about his reads" but also demand that I "follow his reads"?

Those two ideas directly contradict. Would a townie have both of those attitudes? I doubt it
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Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 9:49 am

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That... is actually a good point. =/
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Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 10:33 am

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In post 1593, Bacde wrote:I've already expressed that I'm VERY certain that AA9 is scum, and I would be willing to lynch that
My bad, I read that as, "I WOULD consider an ArcAngel lynch, BUT I only want a Nacho lynch." However looking from the rest of the post (which I snipped out), you seem to be heading in the right track.

As for Post 1595...
Bacde wrote:Why is he playing to manipulate people, instead of just outting his reads and explaining them and attempting to get others to follow his reads?
I've always felt that attempting to get others to follow one's reads is a form of manipulation, but I understand what you are referring to here. Nonetheless, I've felt that manipulation is more a player tell than a scum tell. Power roles try to manipulate people into thinking they aren't who they are generally until they get enough information to out themselves. Mafia does have more of a willingness to manipulate, I suppose, but I know I personally like to manipulate people to follow my reads, though DO have good intentions behind them.
Also, why did he simultaneously say he is "not happy about his reads" but also demand that I "follow his reads"?

Those two ideas directly contradict. Would a townie have both of those attitudes? I doubt it
I actually really like this point. But do you have more? You seemed to have more earlier when I first asked you, and this seems like simply a recent example. Impress me. Make me want to lynch Nacho.

Speaking of the second paragraph I wrote, where the fuck is fuzzy with a reads list, and any sense of care for the game?
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Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 11:25 am

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In post 1588, Bacde wrote:
In post 1584, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 1582, Bacde wrote:
In post 1123, EddieFenix wrote:
Unvote
Vote Nacho
In post 1289, EddieFenix wrote:
Unvote


So, Nacho comes in and starts posting up. So, I'll back down for now. Oversoul, catch me up on this post please.

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Fenix, are you scum w/ nacho?
Point proven. Not only are you tunnel visioning so hard that you can't be legit scum hunting, but now you're trying to link me to Nacho because I unvoted him. Pathetic.
lol I like how you call me pathetic

it really makes me believe that you have a town role pm and are trying to help me see the error of my ways

no way are you just trying to protect your scumbuddy nacho

who you were willing to vote when the wagon was growing big but unvoted because "nacho started posting"
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

It also HELPS to LET him talk and ask him tons of questions. When talking, scum will bury themselves deeper, deeper, and DEEPER in the hole. THUS, giving everyone (plus you) the opportunity to put together an argument that is sound.

Now, I've seen a few more of your posts above where you've ACTUALLY put a little more thought into them. You're making a compelling argument that people CAN follow and see the flaws in Nacho's logic. I have Nacho as scum on my reads list. I wanted him to talk more, so I unvoted to give him some breathing room to think he was safe and could come in to try talk his way out. That way, we could get everyone who wanted to support/deflect attention from Nacho talking. It also gives the cop suspects to look into during night 1 so he can make scans to get confirmed townies/scum (baring we have a cop). It gives everyone ideas of who to look at/go for come day 2 if/when Nacho gets lynched.
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Post Post #1599 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 12:03 pm

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^^I like this post

maybe you aren't scum with nacho

maybe

I'm still suspicious though
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