NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Bacde · Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 5:30 pm

In post 1366, CrashTextDummie wrote:Bacde stopped pushing a sound meta case the moment he started arguing that Nacho would be a good lynch even if town

ok CTD is scum

this is the ONLY post that I made that could even be CONSTRUED as being similar to what CTD is saying that I'm doing:

In post 1224, Bacde wrote:B&tB We can't worry about lynching nacho because of "what if he's town"

if he's town he's even more worthless this game because he's pushing stupid cases

I'm no longer going to worry about lynching my scumreads just because I read a stronger player as scum, I can depend on myself

I'm not arguing that nacho is a good lynch if he's town

in fact, I believe the opposite

but nacho isn't a worthless player when he's town, and for some reason this game he's playing worthlessly

do you get the picture? There's a reason that I scumread nacho right now

Kublai Khan · Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 5:54 pm

VOTE: Beauty and the Beast
Reason: This is a bloated game and you have the most posts.

Page five and reading.

Nero Cain · Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 6:21 pm

In post 1372, Amethyst Kitty wrote: Lay off or back off. Which ever one suits you better. How are we playing dumb? Go on enlighten me please. I'll be awaiting it. Why don't you try explaining to us why you think we are scum. Clearly everyone disagrees and that little argument helps no one.

So defensive.

I think ya'lls vote on Nacho was rather opportunistic. Nacho already had 3 votes on him. You laid down a 4th vote supposedly oblivious to the budding Nacho wagon, which is something that seems like it would be easy to fake. And then when I call you on it you minorly flip out and pull out the "hey look over there" defense by telling me that I should look at bcade.

In 844 you (and by you I mean your hydra) "Mala says that Mollie caught something interesting that I had personally over looked. I do agree with her in that, it's a good point and it has to do with the entire Indie battle you had with her"

Which I find needlessly vague. I see no reason for you (supposedly as town) and Mara to withhold what you "caught" and be sneaky and secretive.

AND THEN

I get this super cheeky evasive response from Mara in 1114.

Cuz

Which just makes my blood boil. This whole immature/snarky/defensive thing seems to be in vogue these days but I'll never ever like it and each time I see it from you or Mollie or Arc or whoever the fuck, I cry a lil' inside.

As for my read on you. I think your play has been pretty scummy. I don't think that

everyone

has a town read at you and those that do have it 'cause of meta. I have never played with Mala and my experience with Mara is limited so I'm willing to listen to other players that have more experience with ya'll and besides you are helping me kill Nachoscum so you get to ride in my null pile until I find out that this is multiball.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 7:10 pm

Okay I've read up to page 16 and will continue tomorrow. Happy with my vote, and now I have an actual reason for it. Also have some other suspects.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 7:10 pm

Twenty-seventh Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "I should go to sleep" votecount

)

Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar, Desperado, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Red Ryu - 5 (Oversoul, Thor665, thezmon221, Bulbazak, Syryana)

Bulbazak - 2 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut)
Cephrir - 1 (Baby Spice)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 1 (Kublai Khan)

Not Voting - 5 (Seanald, ActionDan, ArcAngel9, Cephrir, EddieFenix)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

<<< Fixed a minor oversight with the "changes from last votecount" part. >>>

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 7:16 pm

In post 1378, Kublai Khan wrote:Okay I've read up to page 16 and will continue tomorrow. Happy with my vote, and now I have an actual reason for it. Also have some other suspects.

Does this mean I can start belittling you for your obvious ineptitude at this game?

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 7:25 pm

So from my POV this Nacho wagon consists of only townreads and it's on someone who isn't exactly a scumread from my.
Something is afoot here :/

Also I'm kinda lurk-a-derpin' and nobody cares wow this game is easy.
~Pertayter

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 7:29 pm

VOTE: Bacde
~Pertayter

Bulbazak · Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 8:56 pm

In post 1370, EddieFenix wrote: The main reason I am hitting a narrow with a few certain players, is due to the fact that it will help me in the long run. It provides me with potential people to start thinking about that are either hitting these players, or are supporting these players so I can watch them and their behavior. The ones I am going after are either

A.) Players of interest to everyone (OS and Fuzzy)
or
B.) Player(s) that have my attention as far as MY interests go when it comes to my reading (Bulba, OS, Fuzzy, B&TB, Bacde, Nacho, Cephrir, etc.)

I'm never a 100% sure, so I want to make sure that I have all of the logic in my head lined up at least 95% of the way so I can cast my vote in the direction of scum (imo) accordingly. So, right now, I'm studying, gathering info, asking questions of certain players/responses so I can get this info and carry it into the following days. Anything else you or the rest of the group would like to ask?

Can you expand on this please? I found it to be a little vague.

In post 1372, Amethyst Kitty wrote: @Bulba:

What? How does 1350 post you quoted make Fuzzy scum?

It's not just that post, but the culmination of all of Fuzzy's posts. He's been sheeping all game, and when I questioned him on it, he avoided answering any of my questions. He's posted nothing of substance, even with all of the stuff going on around him. In regards to Thezmon's post, all Fuzzy asked about was why he was listed as scum, even though Thezmon made it apparent that the list was of general reads based on what he had read so far. Fuzzy didn't comment or ask about anything else, except for why he was scum, even though there were more important things happening in the thread at the time. It was overly defensive, imo, and settled my read on Fuzzy from null/scum to scum.

EddieFenix · Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:08 pm

In post 1383, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 1370, EddieFenix wrote: The main reason I am hitting a narrow with a few certain players, is due to the fact that it will help me in the long run. It provides me with potential people to start thinking about that are either hitting these players, or are supporting these players so I can watch them and their behavior. The ones I am going after are either

A.) Players of interest to everyone (OS and Fuzzy)
or
B.) Player(s) that have my attention as far as MY interests go when it comes to my reading (Bulba, OS, Fuzzy, B&TB, Bacde, Nacho, Cephrir, etc.)

I'm never a 100% sure, so I want to make sure that I have all of the logic in my head lined up at least 95% of the way so I can cast my vote in the direction of scum (imo) accordingly. So, right now, I'm studying, gathering info, asking questions of certain players/responses so I can get this info and carry it into the following days. Anything else you or the rest of the group would like to ask?
Can you expand on this please? I found it to be a little vague.

In post 1372, Amethyst Kitty wrote: @Bulba:

What? How does 1350 post you quoted make Fuzzy scum?
It's not just that post, but the culmination of all of Fuzzy's posts. He's been sheeping all game, and when I questioned him on it, he avoided answering any of my questions. He's posted nothing of substance, even with all of the stuff going on around him. In regards to Thezmon's post, all Fuzzy asked about was why he was listed as scum, even though Thezmon made it apparent that the list was of general reads based on what he had read so far. Fuzzy didn't comment or ask about anything else, except for why he was scum, even though there were more important things happening in the thread at the time. It was overly defensive, imo, and settled my read on Fuzzy from null/scum to scum.

Specify query on what exactly you want explained.

Also, Fuzzy, YOU OWE ME A TOWN/SCUM LIST. Oversoul, when you get around to it, answer my question as well please.

Red Ryu · Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:12 pm

Prod dodge.

I got finals sorry. :<

<<< STOP DOING THAT! >_< >>>

Slandaar · Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 12:41 am

I lurk about a lot as town, it depends on my mood. I can get links if they are really needed, not like I could ever do it as scum if I don't as town the fact I understand this says all you need to know.

In post 1369, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1273, Slandaar wrote:Scum to varying degrees:
Nacho/Thor/Fuzzy/Ceph/Bulba
Tell me more about...me.

You are being disruptive and not in a good way; disrupt the game by trying to divide town seems to be your gameplan.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 1:35 am

In post 1380, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 1378, Kublai Khan wrote:Okay I've read up to page 16 and will continue tomorrow. Happy with my vote, and now I have an actual reason for it. Also have some other suspects.
Does this mean I can start belittling you for your obvious ineptitude at this game?

That'd be the most likely response.

From just what I've read so far, you've been aggressively attacking anyone who disagrees and/or suspects you. Which is a survival strategy, not a scum-hunting one.

It's also an effective two-pronged strategy for scum to take. You become unlikely to be lynched Day 1 because townies don't have enough confidence in their reads to match your aggression and later in the game you've posted so much that it's too much work to build a case on you.

So feel free to rail against my sole vote as if it's an atrocity that must be lambasted into submission. But it shouldn't convince anyone that you're town.

Hanzo_5 · Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 2:57 am

More arguing. More scum reads based more on meta than anything. More tells on D1...

beautyandthebeast wrote: cos scum like to steer the game

@BATB

Leaders like to lead town. Counter point: Scum like to myslynch leaders. Are you making a point to not be lead by anyone? or just thor.

Bacde · Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 3:43 am

^^Scum also like to lead town

What is your point Hanzo_5?

Nero Cain · Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 4:09 am

In post 1369, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1261, Nero Cain wrote:Well, do you think Mollie is scummy for sk hunting?

If yes, why is Nacho not scummy for defending Mollie?

If no, why did you think my line of questioning was constructive?
I think you've proven she's a suboptimal scumhunter - but unless you want to tell me without a doubt that there's only one scum team in the game then I see it as a questionable tell that should be revisited more later.
That said, Mollie is scummy for other reasons now - vote her.

Because she is Schrodinger's scum, and also town defend scum.

It would be constructive regardless of my personal belief on the tell because you took a hard stance and pressed on it.

Again, why did you call me out on this?

meh, I thought what Mollie did was stupid and scummy.
I thought it was scummy of Nacho to attack me for questioning Mollie.
I would think that Nacho defending scum/bad town Mollie would make you wary of his slot.
I'm extremely paranoid and I think it's a possibility that you and Nacho could be scum taking opposite stances on the same argument.

mastin2 · Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 4:30 am

I was gonna put a votecount here, but then I realized AP put one earlier on this page. Go co-mod!

Spoiler: Post 1379

Any prods needing sending will go out in four hours.

Did the checking, and it turned out nobody needed prods (with one potential exception, who received a warning poke), though there are a few who needed a poke and have been given it.

Nero Cain · Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 4:33 am

prod Nero Cain, guy is lurky as fuck

ISO · Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 5:22 am

In post 1386, Slandaar wrote:I lurk about a lot as town, it depends on my mood. I can get links if they are really needed, not like I could ever do it as scum if I don't as town the fact I understand this says all you need to know.

In post 1369, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1273, Slandaar wrote:Scum to varying degrees:
Nacho/Thor/Fuzzy/Ceph/Bulba
Tell me more about...me.
You are being disruptive and not in a good way; disrupt the game by trying to divide town seems to be your gameplan.

I get the feeling this is a Thor tell.

In post 1384, EddieFenix wrote:
Also, Fuzzy, YOU OWE ME A TOWN/SCUM LIST.

I want to see this very very much. Like, produce this or I'll probably vote you levels of much.

Bulbazak · Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 6:13 am

In post 1384, EddieFenix wrote: Specify query on what exactly you want explained.

Mainly this:

In post 1370, EddieFenix wrote: The ones I am going after are either

A.) Players of interest to everyone (OS and Fuzzy)
or
B.) Player(s) that have my attention as far as MY interests go when it comes to my reading (Bulba, OS, Fuzzy, B&TB, Bacde, Nacho, Cephrir, etc.)

I wasn't quite sure where you were going with it.

Hanzo_5 · Post Post #1395 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 7:09 am

In post 1389, Bacde wrote:^^Scum also like to lead town

What is your point Hanzo_5?

@Bacde

My point: They pointed out a useless tell. I think the best I can do D1 is pick out what are clearly bs reasons a fluffy posts. And give my stance on them when I get around to it.

How are we gonna get anyone lynched with bs like that being the reasoning? How can I trust a town that would pkay into that BS? rhetorical...

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #1396 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 7:42 am

In post 1388, Hanzo_5 wrote:More arguing. More scum reads based more on meta than anything. More tells on D1...

beautyandthebeast wrote: cos scum like to steer the game

@BATB

Leaders like to lead town. Counter point: Scum like to myslynch leaders. Are you making a point to not be lead by anyone? or just thor.

this is the weirdest question anyone has ever asked me in a game and I am not sure I fully understand it.

In post 1395, Hanzo_5 wrote:
In post 1389, Bacde wrote:^^Scum also like to lead town

What is your point Hanzo_5?

@Bacde

My point: They pointed out a useless tell.
I think the best I can do D1 is pick out what are clearly bs reasons a fluffy posts. And give my stance on them when I get around to it.

How are we gonna get anyone lynched with bs like that being the reasoning? How can I trust a town that would pkay into that BS? rhetorical...

why do you think that is a useless tell?

wrt bold: wat

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #1397 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 7:50 am

In post 1390, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1369, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1261, Nero Cain wrote:Well, do you think Mollie is scummy for sk hunting?

If yes, why is Nacho not scummy for defending Mollie?

If no, why did you think my line of questioning was constructive?
I think you've proven she's a suboptimal scumhunter - but unless you want to tell me without a doubt that there's only one scum team in the game then I see it as a questionable tell that should be revisited more later.
That said, Mollie is scummy for other reasons now - vote her.

Because she is Schrodinger's scum, and also town defend scum.

It would be constructive regardless of my personal belief on the tell because you took a hard stance and pressed on it.

Again, why did you call me out on this?
meh, I thought what Mollie did was stupid and scummy.
I thought it was scummy of Nacho to attack me for questioning Mollie.
I would think that Nacho defending scum/bad town Mollie would make you wary of his slot.
I'm extremely paranoid and I think it's a possibility that you and Nacho could be scum taking opposite stances on the same argument.

yanno I am used to nero's creepy obsession with me but this raging hard on is starting to go overboard. I think he has said my name like in every other post and yet is ignoring the majiffy half almost entirely.

Hanzo_5 · Post Post #1398 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 8:08 am

@B&TB

I think its a useless tell because its null. Town or Mafia can try and lead the town. Its what leaders do. Its a leader tell. And since leadership does not define allaignment its null.

My question asked simply asks this. Do you not want a leader?

Then it asks if you do want a leader, why do you not want thor to lead you?

The second questioned is ignored if you prefer that no one leads.

mastin2 · Post Post #1399 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 8:22 am

I apologize for the lack of flavor thusfar. After the votecount that this post is filler for bumping, I'll see what I can do.