NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

mastin2 · Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:17 am

Twenty-sixth Votecount

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AKA, the "please don't type in tiny font*" votecount

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Nachomamma8 - 6 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar, Desperado)

Red Ryu - 5 (Oversoul, Thor665, thezmon221, Bulbazak, Syryana)

Bulbazak - 2 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut)
Cephrir - 2 (BeautyAndTheBeast, Baby Spice)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 6 (Seanald, ActionDan, Kublai Khan, ArcAngel9, Cephrir, EddieFenix)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

There are mod-edited votecounts on page 46 and page 49. AngryPidgeon has a votecount on page 50. My previous will-be-votecount post is now a proper votecount. All but the last are quoted below.

Spoiler: Post 1125

Spoiler: Post 1200

Spoiler: Post 1228

*Do as I say, not as I do!

Bacde · Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:25 am

Ok I've come to a decision

Nachomamma8 gets vigged tonight, no questions asked

But today we can lynch baby spice

I don't think anyone will disagree with lynching baby spice

Nero Cain · Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:28 am

you have a killing role? 'Cause I don't ever trust these "lets plan on vigging this player"

We lynch Mamma and you guys can have a bs vig.

mastin2 · Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:35 am

<<< And Hanzo_5 replaces ActionDan, effective upon posting! >>>

Bacde · Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:36 am

I mean I'm obviously more in favor of that plan, which is why my vote is still in the same place

I'm just trying to coordinate a lynch

But I feel confident that whoever I want vigged will be vigged

ISO · Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:39 am

I would not particularly care about that lynch although it seems kind of arbitrary.

I think you'll probably get more votes going for the guy who's actually posting though.

We don't know there's a vig or that he'll listen to you.

ISO · Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:41 am

I guess I'd probably sheep that, I just don't feel like anyone else would.

Bacde · Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:46 am

In post 1330, Cephrir wrote:I would not particularly care about that lynch although it seems kind of arbitrary.

I think you'll probably get more votes going for the guy who's actually posting though.

We don't know there's a vig or that he'll listen to you.

There are at least 2 killing roles

Bacde · Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:49 am

actually I just reread BS's ISO and nothing really sticks out to me except this post:

In post 1128, Baby Spice wrote:Hmm.

I decided to check Nacho's posting history just to see what was happening, and spotted him browsing this forum.

Make of that what you will.

which I can't imagine making if I was town

Nero Cain · Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 9:55 am

She always plays like this so she's null to me.

Hanzo_5 · Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 10:06 am

I have read and understood my role PM. 54 pages to read... Who thinks you all should get a blank slate and I dont read back at all?

Hanzo_5 · Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 10:48 am

In post 1333, Bacde wrote:actually I just reread BS's ISO and nothing really sticks out to me except this post:

In post 1128, Baby Spice wrote:Hmm.

I decided to check Nacho's posting history just to see what was happening, and spotted him browsing this forum.

Make of that what you will.
which I can't imagine making if I was town

@bacde

Care to clarify why town shouldnt do that? I dont see a problem with whistle blowing on the lurkers...

Slandaar · Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 10:59 am

Its the way its said not what is said or to some extent not said.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 11:33 am

Hi. Stand by.

thezmon221 · Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 11:34 am

Alright, I'm a bit burnt out from reading about 25-26 pages, so I'll pick it up later (as in, in an hour or two probably). I suppose I'll give a general list of my reads on everyone. I'm not going to include a basis for them, and probably won't provide it right now because I've only read half the game thus far and will probably have another 5-10 pages by the time I read page 54. It's not in any particular order.

Spoiler: Reads

Just about all of my reads are pretty weak. I'll have a good feeling for the game hopefully before I actually hit this page.

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 11:51 am

ah, finally something I can post about.
Why am I scum, thezmon?

ISO · Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 12:02 pm

...Really? That's all you can post about?

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 12:04 pm

well, no. It's not

all

I can post about.
It's just the most immediate and easiest thing to post about at the given moment.

thezmon221 · Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 12:13 pm

Too bad I already said I wasn't going to write up a case. Don't like it? Deal with it. kkthxbai. All I'll say is that post 1340 doesn't help your cause in the least bit.

ISO · Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 12:18 pm

In post 1342, fuzzybutternut wrote:well, no. It's not
all
I can post about.
It's just the most immediate and easiest thing to post about at the given moment.

So, are you ever planning to start playing, or...?

Baby Spice · Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 12:25 pm

In post 1306, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1263, Nachomamma8 wrote:Baby Spice has been lurking like hell, for one. Her excuse of "worrying about games that is endgaming" shows me that she's lurking and is conscious of it, but the rest of her play says that she's pretty okay with lurking hard as shit. I hate the "wall battle doesn't look like town v town but B&B is scum" bit, and she tosses out reads so randomly that I can't really see a thought process behind any of it. Lean scum, but not heavily.
Plus I think that her dismissing Thor and I as town instantly and with no paranoia at all is sort of strange and seems like fake townreads because they actually aren't based on anything, and the constant complaining about walls is scummy considering she's not commenting on anything in the entire game and blaming it solely on walls.

I think I've mis-read Thor once in the last two years, a current game he replaced into.

As for you, the original attacks on you were from scum reads or read as very poor. Which is a reasonable basis for a twon read.

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 12:28 pm

In post 1344, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1342, fuzzybutternut wrote:well, no. It's not
all
I can post about.
It's just the most immediate and easiest thing to post about at the given moment.
So, are you ever planning to start playing, or...?

Eventually, when things settle down with school and all, yeah.

Baby Spice · Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 12:52 pm

In post 1337, Slandaar wrote:Its the way its said not what is said or to some extent not said.

Normally, I would have called Nacho likely lurking scum for things like that, but in a game progressing like this, it means less imo.
It's similar to my opinion on AA9's constant catch up posts. Means less at this point than it would in other games or later on in this one.

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 12:57 pm

In post 1195, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:I think I've posted an argument for why I think you're scum. You could try commenting on that.

Your argument for why you think I'm scum is very vague, but I'll humor you.

Argument: You think my reads suck and lack a level of depth.
Comment: Considering we don't fundamentally disagree on a whole lot of players and that I'm pushing a guy you've expressed a scum read on, that's an awfully broad statement. The reads that matter are deep enough.

Argument: You think I have ignored certain events/I am not playing the game.
Comment: I have commented on every major wagon in the game and I have otherwise commented on whatever seemed important to me. Your hydra's interaction with Om the Destroyer and Bulbazaur is part of why you looked better to me upon analyzing the game. They gave me no reason to change my town reads on Om/HD and Bulba and I've communicated as much. I see no point in disseminating wall trading between slots I have no interest in lynching.

Argument: You think my massclaim suggestion might have been a scum gambit.
Comment: Deal with it.

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Bacde's evolving stance on Nacho doesn't sit right with me. I could pass his initial push off as him being overly zealous (which I don't find alignment indicative for a player like him), even though his argument was more "Nacho isn't playing like Nacho" than "Nacho isn't playing like town-Nacho" based on the evidence given. But that he then suggested that a Nacho lynch would be good even if he was town is outrageous. A good player that is underperforming can improve, it's a function of effort. His declaration that "Nacho is useless this game, he's a detriment to the town regardless of alignment" is so wildly beyond common sense it's not even funny.

The feeling I got is that Bacde sensed weakness in Nacho and wanted to lynch him simply because it looked feasible. It's like he's running a bet on whether he can D1-lynch him and tried to strongarm it with a kind of bravado I've seen from confident scum playing with people they're very familiar with before. That he's now easing up, "settling" for a Nacho-vig instead, fits with this: Nacho came back, started effort-posting and doesn't look like such a feasible lynch anymore. I strongly question the legitimacy of his Nacho scum read to begin with.

Urge to lynch rising.

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Speaking of Nacho, the most compelling argument I've seen against him was Slandaar's. It is kind of jarring for him to change his stance on massclaim so completely, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he came into this game as scum knowing that I'd suggest it and decided to play off of it. But the possibility is small enough that it doesn't really concern me: a) it's much more likely that he legitimately reconsidered the merits of early massclaim, b) I fail to see the scum angle when making this play opens him up to exactly this kind of questioning and c) he was pushing a play I maintain is benefitial to town.

I question his current vote, not just because it's on someone I read as town and unlikely to lead anywhere, but also because there's a good wagon waiting to happen on his second choice, DLG.

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2013 1:02 pm

DLG, Bacde, Mac/replacement. Lynch from this group.

I'm going to reread Cephir, because his name has been thrown around by quite a few people and he's been under my radar despite high activity. Eddie Fenix is another player I I want to get a better grasp of.